Obc

[bls31]

Sir, please donot worry you will remain jat & you will be tagged with majority of jats.
I agree with you and that is the sad part . BLS 31

 

[virj]

Do not be surprised , if it will be the children of the rich and privileged, who have studied in good schools , colleges and whose parents have influence due to their position,who will drive the benefits of the OBC Tag and Not those of the needy. bls31

Lakhsman Sir, I could be wrong but won't the creamy layer be deprived of the OBC reservation benifit. The below is from Wiki.

The Supreme Court has said the benefit of reservation should not be given to OBC children (SCs, STs, and the unreserved are exempt now) of constitutional functionaries such as the president, judges of the Supreme Court and high courts, employees of central and state bureaucracies above a certain level, public sector employees, members of the armed forces and paramilitary personnel above the rank of colonel, lawyers, chartered accountants, doctors, financial and management consultants, engineers, film artists, and authors. OBC children belonging to any family that earns a total gross annual income( from sources other than salary and agricultural land) of Rs. 4.5 lakh (450 thousand) (the income ceiling for creamy layer raised from 2.5 lakhs to 4.5 lakhs in October 2008) belong to the creamy layer. (US$ 5,500 in 1993 when the office memo was accepted) and so are also excluded from being categorised as "socially and educationally backward" regardless of their social/educational backwardness

This should apply to SC and ST too. (Just to clarify this is my opinion and not quoted from the above source)

Though you are right to an extent that the poorest will not get the real benefit. Its basically the middle layer who will enjoy the real benefit given that the creamy layer is excluded from it.

 

[rakeshsehrawat]

Do not be surprised , if it will be the children of the rich and privileged, who have studied in good schools , colleges and whose parents have influence due to their position,who will drive the benefits of the OBC Tag and Not those of the needy. bls31

At least they have to pay less fees for forms, books and dress material. Fees babat to na sochna padega us garib aadmi ne

 

[ritu]

so well explained......status ki baat bharre hue pet karre se.bhookha pet ne kaam er do roti chahiye.....if obc tag helps some ppl in our jat community in this world of competition i really do not mind being tagged by obc.at least this is the least i can do for the less privileged ones from my community by sharing this tag with them.......

I don't want to say anything here but the situation made me to think in other direction.
let's take first situation and take little more time.
A boy came with well built physique and handsome looks holdin tray of drinks in his hand bearing a name plate on chest "Rambir Dahiya".Got indulged in talks with him i came to know that he is a first class postgraduate who tried in many exams but failed reason very simple.Even after getting much more marks then the fellow delegate sitting on the table with Col.

 

[upendersingh]

नु तो यहाँ अधिकतर ने कह दिया कि हम जाट हैं और सबसे घटिया हैं और हमें अपने आपको जाट कहते हुए शर्म आने लगी है, लेकिन तर्क कोई नहीं देता कि कैसे घटिया हैं. मैं जाट जाति को सबसे घटिया जाति मानने के लिए तैयार हूँ, लेकिन अपने दिलोदिमाग को क्या तर्क दूं?
कैसे इस दुनिया में कोई अन्य जाति जाटों से बेहतर है?

 

[virj]

welcome Back man

 

[upendersingh]

welcome Back man

धन्यवाद विपिन भाई, मैं जेल काटकर आया हूँ...हा...हा...हा...

 

[virj]

इब न जाईये जेल में. जाटलैंड सुन्नी होजे हे तेरे बिना

 

[brahmtewatia]

Do not be surprised , if it will be the children of the rich and privileged, who have studied in good schools , colleges and whose parents have influence due to their position,who will drive the benefits of the OBC Tag and Not those of the needy. bls31

Lakhsman Sir, I could be wrong but won't the creamy layer be deprived of the OBC reservation benifit. The below is from Wiki.

brig sir,

no offense please, but this itself tell volumes of how hollow your understanding is on the subject matter.

 

[brahmtewatia]

even if the poorest reap 25% of the benefit from OBC... it's still a very big satisfaction to me.

Though you are right to an extent that the poorest will not get the real benefit. Its basically the middle layer who will enjoy the real benefit given that the creamy layer is excluded from it.

 

[virj]

even if the poorest reap 25% of the benefit from OBC... it's still a very big satisfaction to me.

Yes Whatever they get 5% or 25% is better than nothing. Its good even for the middle layer(conductors, bus drivers, clerks, peons, people who have 4-5 kilas or other middle class salaried people) who will get the benefit. This would help some of their kids to become part of the "creamy layer"

 

[fateh]

Sir, please donot worry you will remain jat & you will be tagged with majority of jats.
I agree with you and that is the sad part . BLS 31

Sir, is this an excuse for not becoming obc, once we get obc status than we can discuss the implementation part, why are we worried now. and sir, even if some creami children get benifit, what goes from our pocket, are not they jats. sir please make a note in your personal diary in bold lettrs, if this obc status is granted to jats, I am sure, people who are opposing today, they will be in forfront to take benifits of obc. SIR, IF YOU REMEMBER, IN IMA, WE WERE TAUGHT TO BEHAVE & WORK LIKE AN OFFICER, WHY?, OUR ELDERS USE to say that elder must act & behave like a elder, why?, Because it is your work & behaviour which earn you respect & not your degrees, rank, family background, caste or any other such tags. secondly, when there is a vaccancy reserved for ex service man, donot jat exmen apply for the reserved vaccancy, when there is reservation for women in jobs/elected posts why jats ladies apply or contest such reserved seats. Thirdly, when human being got into this form or came to this world, was there any caste, rank, status etc. I hope all were equal than why are you calling yourself superior. My dear sir, origen of caste system itself was based on work, thus if we work like jats even while in obc, we will remain jats otherwise it may be reversed. We should not live false life/ chaudharship but work like chaudhary, progress like chaudhary, behave like chaudhary, should take all possible benifits from Govt & take lead in life. (Education, Educated Behaviour & unity are key factors)

 

[sanjaymalik]

Do not be surprised , if it will be the children of the rich and privileged, who have studied in good schools , colleges and whose parents have influence due to their position,who will drive the benefits of the OBC Tag and Not those of the needy. bls31

rightly said reservation never reached to those peoples who really deserved for that.the benefit of reservation mostly carved by those who are already in a better position.you can saw in case of SC's and ST's those who are living in village have a little improvement but the real benefits goes to already established.

 

[singhvp]

even if the poorest reap 25% of the benefit from OBC... it's still a very big satisfaction to me.

I understand your designs Braham. You are trying your best to bring us - the Haryanavi Jats - at par with you. So far, we had a little sense of satisfaction that we have an exalted status in society. Moreover, we used to take a dig on Jat friends and relatives from Delhi and used to pinch them. After reservation, we will be deprived of that privilege. But, I am keeping my opinion reserve on this subject sitting on the fence and watching the stormy exchange of posts.

 

[singhvp]

Though the reservation might bring relief economically to some needy, it will certainly lower the prestige and self-esteem of the Jat community. But, majority seems to be in favour. Therefore, academic disagreement from a negligible section of community will hardly matter. As there is a precedent (Delhi and Rajasthan) it seems likely that the governments of Haryana and UP will agree sooner or later. Good luck to those who are trying their best to accomplish this task.

 

[ravinderjeet]

धन्यवाद विपिन भाई, मैं जेल काटकर आया हूँ...हा...हा...हा...

rolaa paayaa kisse aue ne er jail kisse aur ki hoi.

 

[brahmtewatia]

singh sahab, i've no pre-conceived notions or designs... mine is just a call for the community.

highlighted red answered here >>> दिल को खुश करने के लिए ग़ालिब ये ख़याल अच्छा है I
highlighted blue answered here >>> दिल को खुश करने के लिए ग़ालिब वो ख़याल भी अच्छा था

I understand your designs Braham. You are trying your best to bring us - the Haryanavi Jats - at par with you. So far, we had a little sense of satisfaction that we have an exalted status in society. Moreover, we used to take a dig on Jat friends and relatives from Delhi and used to pinch them. After reservation, we will be deprived of that privilege. But, I am keeping my opinion reserve on this subject sitting on the fence and watching the stormy exchange of posts.

 

[vijay]

Rajasthan became the first state in India where Jats included in the 'reservation layer' with an OBC tag. Since last 15 years or so, there is no major change in the status in terms of economical, social and administration levels. The people who are already influensive are harvesting the benefits while needy ones are still having the bad times. Some people can say that 15 years is very less time but that's an excuse as we can se people around us who are in reservation layer since last 60+ years and still have the same life.

The Indian political and administrative system is the main reason behind this. The people who gets benefit of it would be getting it forever while the ignorant would be pushed back again and again. So, its better to change the system or educate people to get out of this reservation theory for the goodness. Changing system seems a far fetched possibility in India so the other option seems feasible. The moron leaders don't have courage and will power to cease all type of reservation and design a new useful pattern to uplift the financially backward people ( instead of communities ).

It hardly matters that whether i am in favor of reservation or against it but it is a fact that reservation hardly going to bring any change in the status of Jat people except an OBC Tag.

 

[yudhvirmor]

Rajasthan became the first state in India where Jats included in the 'reservation layer' with an OBC tag. Since last 15 years or so, there is no major change in the status in terms of economical, social and administration levels. The people who are already influensive are harvesting the benefits while needy ones are still having the bad times. Some people can say that 15 years is very less time but that's an excuse as we can se people around us who are in reservation layer since last 60+ years and still have the same life.

The Indian political and administrative system is the main reason behind this. The people who gets benefit of it would be getting it forever while the ignorant would be pushed back again and again. So, its better to change the system or educate people to get out of this reservation theory for the goodness. Changing system seems a far fetched possibility in India so the other option seems feasible. The moron leaders don't have courage and will power to cease all type of reservation and design a new useful pattern to uplift the financially backward people ( instead of communities ).

It hardly matters that whether i am in favor of reservation or against it but it is a fact that reservation hardly going to bring any change in the status of Jat people except an OBC Tag.

There is no statistical information available for any caste in terms of their social uplift because of reservation. Reservation is a curse of people as society told some poor fellow that you are not normal and you can't be equal to upper caste. Majority of congress leaders were Britishers with brown skin tone. They are still ruling the masses with same policy of DIVIDE AND RULE

 

[fateh]

Today majority of population has reservation, in democratic system, it is batter to stay with majority. our equals like yadav, mali, gujjar,rod etc are with reservation. Divide & rule policy is applicable in both the situations. It is inferiority complex, if we consider poor, yes economically may be & there is nothing wrong in that tag.I always said that any kind of reservation is harmful, but since it is there & going to stay, spreading even beyond govt jobs & aducation dept & our equally placed castes are getting the benifits, why not jats. I requested our brothers earlier also that let us work to abolish this system of reservation, but it appears to majority of us that second option may not be easy & possible in near future, thus there is no harm to join the reserved population. BROTHERS MAY I SHARE WITH YOU AGAIN THAT NO TAG CAN LOVER YOUR RESPECT & PRESTISE. SO CALLED LOWER CASTE PEOPLE ARE ALSO HUMAN BEING, INFACT BATTER. pLEASE TAKE YOUR MIND BACK IN THE HISTORY, the so called upper castes (Brahaman, rajputs & Bania or business classes), have always exploited & tortured the so called lower castes. In India, most of hynious crimes were done by Brahaman, directly or indirectly, they only divided the society in various castes, they only created the false impression of of upper/lower caste. In short, these contractors of religion & business castes are main enemies of society not only in our nation but in the entire world, Should we associate our caste with such upper castes & when we also suffered equally with so called lower castes. Do good work, be good human being learn more & more and behave as per learning, your prestise, respect & place in the society will be much batter, also be united, love & respect each other & help each other. regards