Obc

[raka]

Rajasthan became the first state in India where Jats included in the 'reservation layer' with an OBC tag. Since last 15 years or so, there is no major change in the status in terms of economical, social and administration levels. The people who are already influensive are harvesting the benefits while needy ones are still having the bad times. Some people can say that 15 years is very less time but that's an excuse as we can se people around us who are in reservation layer since last 60+ years and still have the same life.

The Indian political and administrative system is the main reason behind this. The people who gets benefit of it would be getting it forever while the ignorant would be pushed back again and again. So, its better to change the system or educate people to get out of this reservation theory for the goodness. Changing system seems a far fetched possibility in India so the other option seems feasible. The moron leaders don't have courage and will power to cease all type of reservation and design a new useful pattern to uplift the financially backward people ( instead of communities ).

It hardly matters that whether i am in favor of reservation or against it but it is a fact that reservation hardly going to bring any change in the status of Jat people except an OBC Tag.

koi n bhai ye jo benefit le rahe s ye bhi aapne ae bhai s aarr jo rah gaye unne bhi miljaga sabr raakh , yohe rolla s jat ka pura dharmatma paaka jaa s ....................
bhai wa kahya kare n aak aakhir aali baat pahle kadhe nahi kahni chahiye nahi to fer kitte ka koni rah aadmi ...to bhai pahle le lyaa sa fer aakhir aali baat karange ..............

 

[bls31]

Earlier I had started a thread ‘What are Jats?’ A cast, community group or as according to my late father, the name is a derivative of Jattha by which possibly they were known in distance past,

What ever Jats may be, with some common traits, they do have major intra as well inter regional differences of characteristics, attitude and way of life.
There are also differences in economic status and social emancipation from region to region. I do not have much idea of Rajasthan Jats, but both Haryan and UP Jats have different views and perceptions of each other. Who is superior to whom? Even in UP, the river Jumna divides the community in the perception of each other.

These differences manifest clearly from the divergent views and opinions being expressed on the Issue of .'Who is OBC' bls31.

 

[brahmtewatia]

won't say much over here nd not to offend JAT's on either side of the river, but i found this piece of argument totally senseless, esp the last highlighted line on the subject matter. would appreciate if brig sir can elaborate it a bit further (if he feel like)... quoting some valid reasons vis-a-vis the subject only nd not to digress more over the issue.

Earlier I had started a thread ‘What are Jats?’ A cast, community group or as according to my late father, the name is a derivative of Jattha by which possibly they were known in distance past,

What ever Jats may be, with some common traits, they do have major intra as well inter regional differences of characteristics, attitude and way of life.
There are also differences in economic status and social emancipation from region to region. I do not have much idea of Rajasthan Jats, but both Haryan and UP Jats have different views and perceptions of each other. Who is superior to whom? Even in UP, the river Jumna divides the community in the perception of each other.

These differences manifest clearly from the divergent views and opinions being expressed on the Issue of .'Who is OBC' bls31.

 

[bls31]

I have nothing more to say , there has been good amount of discussion on the subject by Jat friends, both for and against the OBC. bls31

 

[brahmtewatia]

demand for OBC has nothing to do with JAT's from any particular place or region or state in india. imo it has nothing to do with traits, economic status, region wise superiority/inferiority and/or educational standards among JAT's... its simply "the call of the day" so that our future generation see the better light of new dawn.

make a call to abandon reservation in totality. if you can't do that, then please do not pose any hindrance to JAT's demand for OBC standard, or else the future generation will never forgive us.

 

[fateh]

Earlier I had started a thread ‘What are Jats?’ A cast, community group or as according to my late father, the name is a derivative of Jattha by which possibly they were known in distance past,

What ever Jats may be, with some common traits, they do have major intra as well inter regional differences of characteristics, attitude and way of life.
There are also differences in economic status and social emancipation from region to region. I do not have much idea of Rajasthan Jats, but both Haryan and UP Jats have different views and perceptions of each other. Who is superior to whom? Even in UP, the river Jumna divides the community in the perception of each other.

These differences manifest clearly from the divergent views and opinions being expressed on the Issue of .'Who is OBC' bls31.

Sir, please, read again, what have you written, it shows you are only Brigadier, you are neither, jat nor community friend. This forum is to educate & unite jats, but you are very nicely, quitely & claverly dividing jats. I followed your this post properly & from beggening of the post I am surprised on you & your background and your knowledge about community & your views, after your above write up, it has become clear to me that either you are not jat or you are working for some other communities to break the unity of jats and derail the efforts for reservation, as mrs gupta is doing for pakies. My dear sir, did not you realise as to what are you writing and what effect will your writing have on the community and specially the new generation. Had I been Administrator on this forum, certaily, people like you wouldnot have been allowed to continue. Keeping respect to your age, May I request you to stop this canning type anty community operation or leave this forum yourself. OH God, please save this jat community from this kind of duplicate, high status & false degree holders. MY Dear Brigadier, it shows very clearly that you are not even worth human being what to talk about obc. were you not taught in Army that it is obligatory & compulsory to reply the salute/regards given by your subordinates, take example of this post only, I submitted my regards to you after each of my post but you never expressed any love or regards. It appears to me that you are making use of this forum some time for your business of selling books and some time to fulfil the agenda of some castes or some political party. I must tell you very fronkly, You are not at all respecting your age, your defence experiance and jat family where you got birth if at all, Brigadier & my respected jat brothers I am exreemely sorry for my above expression, but it is not possible for me to tolrate any effort against our unity. sorry, sorry and sorry.

 

[dkumars]

Sir, please, read again, what have you written, it shows you are only Brigadier, you are neither, jat nor community friend. This forum is to educate & unite jats, but you are very nicely, quitely & claverly dividing jats. I followed your this post properly & from beggening of the post I am surprised on you & your background and your knowledge about community & your views, after your above write up, it has become clear to me that either you are not jat or you are working for some other communities to break the unity of jats and derail the efforts for reservation, as mrs gupta is doing for pakies. My dear sir, did not you realise as to what are you writing and what effect will your writing have on the community and specially the new generation. Had I been Administrator on this forum, certaily, people like you wouldnot have been allowed to continue. Keeping respect to your age, May I request you to stop this canning type anty community operation or leave this forum yourself. OH God, please save this jat community from this kind of duplicate, high status & false degree holders. MY Dear Brigadier, it shows very clearly that you are not even worth human being what to talk about obc. were you not taught in Army that it is obligatory & compulsory to reply the salute/regards given by your subordinates, take example of this post only, I submitted my regards to you after each of my post but you never expressed any love or regards. It appears to me that you are making use of this forum some time for your business of selling books and some time to fulfil the agenda of some castes or some political party. I must tell you very fronkly, You are not at all respecting your age, your defence experiance and jat family where you got birth if at all, Brigadier & my respected jat brothers I am exreemely sorry for my above expression, but it is not possible for me to tolrate any effort against our unity. sorry, sorry and sorry.

You are very much elder to me so I do not want to retort the same way what u expressed above for an elder, sane and a person who deserves respect.
He might be wrong or differ in perception but certainly doesn't deserve such slanderous words.

I also follow his posts. I also differ in opinion many a times but can never think even to use such a defamatory language. Also, the new generation is not so fickle minded that anyone can brainwash it. The new generation is smart and wise enough to take and reject views.

We expect some patience and toleration from our elders and wish if the same they can impart to the younger but its very unfortunate that the elders itself set such mean examples.

Same as you, I also could not stop myself expressing all this. I beg a pardon for this which is of no use after writing all this ... but still I hope u will understand and if possible, try to eat ur words.

 

[ritu]

fateh ji its totally all rt to disagree with someone.i totally understand your frustration on uncle jis quote.but do you really have to be this much harsh,rude and disrespectful

Sir, please, read again, what have you written, it shows you are only Brigadier, you are neither, jat nor community friend. This forum is to educate & unite jats, but you are very nicely, quitely & claverly dividing jats. I followed your this post properly & from beggening of the post I am surprised on you & your background and your knowledge about community & your views, after your above write up, it has become clear to me that either you are not jat or you are working for some other communities to break the unity of jats and derail the efforts for reservation, as mrs gupta is doing for pakies. My dear sir, did not you realise as to what are you writing and what effect will your writing have on the community and specially the new generation. Had I been Administrator on this forum, certaily, people like you wouldnot have been allowed to continue. Keeping respect to your age, May I request you to stop this canning type anty community operation or leave this forum yourself. OH God, please save this jat community from this kind of duplicate, high status & false degree holders. MY Dear Brigadier, it shows very clearly that you are not even worth human being what to talk about obc. were you not taught in Army that it is obligatory & compulsory to reply the salute/regards given by your subordinates, take example of this post only, I submitted my regards to you after each of my post but you never expressed any love or regards. It appears to me that you are making use of this forum some time for your business of selling books and some time to fulfil the agenda of some castes or some political party. I must tell you very fronkly, You are not at all respecting your age, your defence experiance and jat family where you got birth if at all, Brigadier & my respected jat brothers I am exreemely sorry for my above expression, but it is not possible for me to tolrate any effort against our unity. sorry, sorry and sorry.

 

[ritu]

sir i never expected such a biased comment from yourside .it realy hurts someone like me who is related to both the regions.as an elder of the community your comments should be targeting towards uniting not dividing it.

Earlier I had started a thread ‘What are Jats?’ A cast, community group or as according to my late father, the name is a derivative of Jattha by which possibly they were known in distance past,

What ever Jats may be, with some common traits, they do have major intra as well inter regional differences of characteristics, attitude and way of life.
There are also differences in economic status and social emancipation from region to region. I do not have much idea of Rajasthan Jats, but both Haryan and UP Jats have different views and perceptions of each other. Who is superior to whom? Even in UP, the river Jumna divides the community in the perception of each other.

These differences manifest clearly from the divergent views and opinions being expressed on the Issue of .'Who is OBC' bls31.

 

[brahmtewatia]

with due respect fateh sir,

i also agree to dev's view that your previous post to brig sir was totally uncalled for. lets please respect an individual's viewpoint and expression of thoughts. i would appreciate if you can withdraw your post, imo it would be a nice gesture and respect to brig sir and this portal JATland, which belongs to all of us.

 

[samarkadian]

Sir, please, read again, what have you written, it shows you are only Brigadier, you are neither, jat nor community friend. This forum is to educate & unite jats, but you are very nicely, quitely & claverly dividing jats. I followed your this post properly & from beggening of the post I am surprised on you & your background and your knowledge about community & your views, after your above write up, it has become clear to me that either you are not jat or you are working for some other communities to break the unity of jats and derail the efforts for reservation, as mrs gupta is doing for pakies. My dear sir, did not you realise as to what are you writing and what effect will your writing have on the community and specially the new generation. Had I been Administrator on this forum, certaily, people like you wouldnot have been allowed to continue. Keeping respect to your age, May I request you to stop this canning type anty community operation or leave this forum yourself. OH God, please save this jat community from this kind of duplicate, high status & false degree holders. MY Dear Brigadier, it shows very clearly that you are not even worth human being what to talk about obc. were you not taught in Army that it is obligatory & compulsory to reply the salute/regards given by your subordinates, take example of this post only, I submitted my regards to you after each of my post but you never expressed any love or regards. It appears to me that you are making use of this forum some time for your business of selling books and some time to fulfil the agenda of some castes or some political party. I must tell you very fronkly, You are not at all respecting your age, your defence experiance and jat family where you got birth if at all, Brigadier & my respected jat brothers I am exreemely sorry for my above expression, but it is not possible for me to tolrate any effort against our unity. sorry, sorry and sorry.

Fatah Singh Ji,

Quoting your own post number 45 to infer that how much it is easy to preach. It is surely but practising it requires character strength which is irrespective of age.

My dear Brothers, please excuse me for comments, after the discussion started on the topic, very soon we started commenting on each other rather contributing to the real issue & it is happening on most of the topics. we should avoide this commenting on each other & put our efforts on the real issue. regards

Are you issuing the certificates with the stamp 'The real jat' to whosoever agrees with your views?

Did your expression full of frustation bring any glory of unity to jat ?

Doesn't the divide exist in different geographical areas of jats? It does.

If you support reservation then its your own perorgative. No one has forced you. But also does it give your any right to what you wrote above who isn't interested in your belief.?

For example 100 people of the same status as of Brig Sir here endorses the same views, would you go to declare them non-jats?

And in last, reservation for Haryana Jats is never going to happen.

 

[singhvp]

Shri Fateh Singh's reply to Brigadier was not in good taste. Every member has a right to express his/her opinion on any subject the way he/she perceives the things. As Samar has also observed, there is definitely a regional divide among Jats and the fact cannot be negated. Brigadier Baliyan has rightly pointed out that there is economic divide which is a reality. It will not be an exaggeration, if I point out another divide i.e. divide between khaps; bigger khaps and smaller khaps. There are so many divides and unity at this moment is a farce. The way Jats behave so egoistically, snobbishly, so rudely and lock horn with each other on this small community site is a glaring example of disintegration. Having said that, I fully support those who talk of Jat unity and appreciate their efforts. Let us hope for the better.

 

[fateh]

Fatah Singh Ji,

Quoting your own post number 45 to infer that how much it is easy to preach. It is surely but practising it requires character strength which is irrespective of age.



Are you issuing the certificates with the stamp 'The real jat' to whosoever agrees with your views?

Did your expression full of frustation bring any glory of unity to jat ?

Doesn't the divide exist in different geographical areas of jats? It does.

If you support reservation then its your own perorgative. No one has forced you. But also does it give your any right to what you wrote above who isn't interested in your belief.?

For example 100 people of the same status as of Brig Sir here endorses the same views, would you go to declare them non-jats?

And in last, reservation for Haryana Jats is never going to happen.

My dear he went personal by indirectly telling jats from HARYANA INFERIOR, who gave him authority to give such certificate, why such an elderly person divide the community. WEATHER hARYANA JATS GET RESERVATION OR NOT , DOESNOT MATTER AND i NEVER SAID THAT THEY WILL GET,CERTAINLY THE COMMUNITY WHICH HAS BROTHERS LIKE ME, CANNOT DESERVE ANY BENIFIT FROM GOVT,

 

[fateh]

with due respect fateh sir,

i also agree to dev's view that your previous post to brig sir was totally uncalled for. lets please respect an individual's viewpoint and expression of thoughts. i would appreciate if you can withdraw your post, imo it would be a nice gesture and respect to brig sir and this portal JATland, which belongs to all of us.

bROTHER, HOW CAN SUCH A ELDERLY & SENIOR PERSON CAN SAY THAT SO & SO JAT IS INFERIOR, IS he a SUPERIOR JAT, i ALWAYS RESPECTED HIM, HAS HE GAVE ANY EFFECTIon, LOVE OR RESPECT BACK, i AM AGAIN SORRY AND i WITHDRAW MY POST & ALL REMARKS, THE ADMINISTRATOR MAY DO THE NEEDFUL. BUT brigadier should also withdraw his remarks against Haryana jats, regards

 

[bls31]

It seems there at are two types of Jats . The Blue Blooded , whose views should prevail, either you are with me or you are against me, have license to promulgate their dictates for others to meekly follow, authorized to use harsh language and pass derogatory comments on those dare hold divergent views and the Non Jats like me and the tribe with similar or independent views.

Not withstanding the above I still prefer to remain a JATwho in the perception of some is a
NON JAT

I think enough venom has drenched this thread and time to terminate it over due. BLS 31

 

[vijay]

It may be a point of debate that whether any sort of discrimination was needed with respect to the topic we are discussing but i don't think that Brigadier's post is offending or suggesting someone as superior or inferior. I don't agree that brigadier have said anything wrong aganist anyone specific.

If we talk about discrmination or diference in point of views then yes it is always there among the jats from different regions. The Jats from Rajasthan, Punjab, Haryana and UP have some differences in language, customs, traditions, social structure and so on. Even Jats from same state have some differences. You will find so many differences in jats from Western and eastern Haryana. Laungane is totally differenet and so is the culture and traditions. Is stating that obvious means division among us ?

Jats of Rajasthan speaks different language, so does that Haryanvi and UP Jats and this language changes again in Punjab. Is stating that can be considered as dividing us?

Even family members have people with different mindset and stating that never falls into the category of dividing the people.


Some people need to grow up and should come out of their preceptions and self assumptions. While some need basic guidelines about how to discuss the issues on a public portal.

 

[fateh]

It may be a point of debate that whether any sort of discrimination was needed with respect to the topic we are discussing but i don't think that Brigadier's post is offending or suggesting someone as superior or inferior. I don't agree that brigadier have said anything wrong aganist anyone specific.

If we talk about discrmination or diference in point of views then yes it is always there among the jats from different regions. The Jats from Rajasthan, Punjab, Haryana and UP have some differences in language, customs, traditions, social structure and so on. Even Jats from same state have some differences. You will find so many differences in jats from Western and eastern Haryana. Laungane is totally differenet and so is the culture and traditions. Is stating that obvious means division among us ?

Jats of Rajasthan speaks different language, so does that Haryanvi and UP Jats and this language changes again in Punjab. Is stating that can be considered as dividing us?

Even family members have people with different mindset and stating that never falls into the category of dividing the people.


Some people need to grow up and should come out of their preceptions and self assumptions. While some need basic guidelines about how to discuss the issues on a public portal.

Vijay, if you read his post in question, carefully, you can see the fact., Now you see, even if Iwas wrong, I felt sorry, withdrew my post & words, but you this superior jat niether felt sorry for his part, nor he accepted my appology and on top of all, again he is there with sercastic words, sorry for wasting your time, regards

 

[fateh]

Earlier I had started a thread ‘What are Jats?’ A cast, community group or as according to my late father, the name is a derivative of Jattha by which possibly they were known in distance past,

What ever Jats may be, with some common traits, they do have major intra as well inter regional differences of characteristics, attitude and way of life.
There are also differences in economic status and social emancipation from region to region. I do not have much idea of Rajasthan Jats, but both Haryan and UP Jats have different views and perceptions of each other. Who is superior to whom? Even in UP, the river Jumna divides the community in the perception of each other.

These differences manifest clearly from the divergent views and opinions being expressed on the Issue of .'Who is OBC' bls31.

mY DEAR bRIGADIER, I will be very happy being inferior jat & OBC, THANKS

 

[vijay]

Vijay, if you read his post in question, carefully, you can see the fact., Now you see, even if Iwas wrong, I felt sorry, withdrew my post & words, but you this superior jat niether felt sorry for his part, nor he accepted my appology and on top of all, again he is there with sercastic words, sorry for wasting your time, regards

Fateh Sir,

I have read Brigadier's Post where he talked about some differences among jats from different regions. It's not about dividing jats and neither it is any sort of supermacy theory. It's just about the few differences among Jats from different regions and that's obvious. We all know about it.

Its nice gesture from your side that you withdrawn you post and lets preceed further with respect to the topic we were discussing. I think that's why we are here.

Regards

 

[fateh]

It seems there at are two types of Jats . The Blue Blooded , whose views should prevail, either you are with me or you are against me, have license to promulgate their dictates for others to meekly follow, authorized to use harsh language and pass derogatory comments on those dare hold divergent views and the Non Jats like me and the tribe with similar or independent views.

Not withstanding the above I still prefer to remain a JATwho in the perception of some is a
NON JAT

I think enough venom has drenched this thread and time to terminate it over due. BLS 31

mY DEAR brigadier, again you are sercastic & not straight, any way I have realised the depth, the level, the effection, the concern for the community, so there is no point of wasting time of superior jats, be happy, I shall not discuss your post infuture, but for God sake donot do drama of jat welwisher, you still want to discuss any topic , welcome privately, I am already feeling bad on spoiling taste of every body, though, you donot have desency of returning regards but I shall follow teaching of my family & Army and extend my warm regards.