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my prakash(it) views...

the issue of OBC/reservation has always been very sensitive amongst us, right from the day one when it came on fore. i remember my initial stance on the matter when i was new to JL nd was unaware of the nuances. i locked horn with anil dalal nd the things went really ugly. almost every time, same has happened with other members as well, this thread being no exception.

i got my lesson nd i'm pretty sure, anil too gained out of it in some way or the other. we now enjoy a very healthy relationship among ourselves to the extent that we have shared 40 pages of VM's (x10 posts/page) and lots of PM messages between us.

an individual introspection is required by every body who came into limelight on this thread... i guess, not a big thing, if you can honestly comprehend the responses to an individual's post from other members.

lets do it, its no harm in admitting our own follies... not for anyone's sake, but at least for our own conscience. i'm sure we all will have our answers. let's stop this blame game nd proceed further.
 
brahmtewatia said:
my prakash(it) views...

the issue of OBC/reservation has always been very sensitive amongst us, right from the day one when it came on fore. i remember my initial stance on the matter when i was new to JL nd was unaware of the nuances. i locked horn with anil dalal nd the things went really ugly. almost every time, same has happened with other members as well, this thread being no exception.

i got my lesson nd i'm pretty sure, anil too gained out of it in some way or the other. we now enjoy a very healthy relationship among ourselves to the extent that we have shared 40 pages of VM's (x10 posts/page) and lots of PM messages between us.

an individual introspection is required by every body who came into limelight on this thread... i guess, not a big thing, if you can honestly comprehend the responses to an individual's post from other members.

lets do it, its no harm in admitting our own follies... not for anyone's sake, but at least for our own conscience. i'm sure we all will have our answers. let's stop this blame game nd proceed further.
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Brahm, I agree with you and you have seen above, I already felt sorry, withdrew my post & words, but what is response from him, I do realise & know well, what is expressed by you, but Brother such maturity is applicable to both sides, tELL ME HONESTLY, THE WAY HE STARTED THIS THREAD WHITH SHOWING OF HIS RANK, DEGREES, STATUS OF FATHER & FAMILY BACKGROUND, WAS IT REQUIREd. Secondly, had such expressions from an uneducated person, I wouldnot have felt so bad. You can again see all his & my posts on the subject, I talked straight with ful respect to him, where as he is sercastic. My dear Brother, read again his post in question & see the meaning of his last line, also when I realised my mistak, appologised & withdrew my post and words, was it correct on his part, to ignore my realisation & appology and again cameup with sercastic expression. Though, it is my mistake, I shouldnot have reacted so soon and in harse words but dear, it is he who initiated the trouble & manged a insult to me where, many youngesters bounced on me & questioned me in all short of manner, I am feeling that he has managed this insult & bad name to me, but still i being inferior jat , being little younger, being colonel, being son of an uneducated parents & being from village, I say sorry to the Brigadier, beg his forgiveness & PROMISE FOR BATTER EXPRESSION IN FUTURE. WITH WARM REGARDS
 
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Fateh said:
Brahm, I agree with you and you have seen above, I already felt sorry, withdrew my post & words, but what is response from him, I do realise & know well, what is expressed by you, but Brother such maturity is applicable to both sides, tELL ME HONESTLY, THE WAY HE STARTED THIS THREAD WHITH SHOWING OF HIS RANK, DEGREES, STATUS OF FATHER & FAMILY BACKGROUND, WAS IT REQUIREd. Secondly, had such expressions from an uneducated person, I wouldnot have felt so bad. You can again see all his & my posts on the subject, I talked straight with ful respect to him, where as he is sercastic. My dear Brother, read again his post in question & see the meaning of his last line, also when I realised my mistak, appologised & withdrew my post and words, was it correct on his part ignore my realisation & appology and again cameup with sercastic expression. Though, it is my mistake, I shouldnot have reacted so soon and in harse words but dear, it is he who initiated the trouble & manged a insult to me where, many youngesters bounced on me & questioned me in all short of manner, I am feeling that he has managed this insult & bad name to me, but still i being inferior jat , being little younger, being colonel, being son of an uneducated parents & being from village, I say sorry to the Brigadier, beg his forgiveness & PROMISE FOR BATTER EXPRESSION IN FUTURE. WITH WARM REGARDS
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Bhai saahb, you did a great job indeed. I really appreciate that.
You know, it needs a lot of courage to accept a mistake and only brave ppl can do that. It doesn't depend upon the class, status and education. Trust me it needs real guts to ask for a sorry. And I am sure that you would not even expect something from other parties. Let them do the way they wish.
Again, a big round of applause for you.
 
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fateh sir... though very less in maturity, compared to many on this portal nd with due respect to all, i reiterate
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brahmtewatia said:
an individual introspection is required by every body who came into limelight on this thread... i guess, not a big thing, if you can honestly comprehend the responses to an individual's post from other members.

lets do it, its no harm in admitting our own follies... not for anyone's sake, but at least for our own conscience. i'm sure we all will have our answers. let's stop this blame game nd proceed further.
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Fateh said:
My dear Brother, read again his post in question & see the meaning of his last line, also when I realised my mistak, appologised & withdrew my post and words, was it correct on his part ignore my realisation & appology and again cameup with sercastic expression. Though, it is my mistake, I shouldnot have reacted so soon and in harse words but dear, it is he who initiated the trouble & manged a insult to me where, many youngesters bounced on me & questioned me in all short of manner, I am feeling that he has managed this insult & bad name to me, but still i being inferior jat , being little younger, being colonel, being son of an uneducated parents & being from village, I say sorry to the Brigadier, beg his forgiveness & PROMISE FOR BATTER EXPRESSION IN FUTURE. WITH WARM REGARDS
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Fateh Singh Ji,

I didnt want to jump in and never thought I would but I think you are taking this too seriously ( Dont repent too much. We all have had emotional outburts) . I have read many of your posts and never found anything rude before this post. Most of them were educative. Dont worry too much about this moral police. You said sorry and that finish it. Dont worry too much about what people write. Often this moral police break their own codes.

One more thing if you are giving respect/regards to someone doesnt mean they have to give it back to you.
 
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Our Bickering Community for reservation!!!!!
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Beti I have not understood your meaning, if you compare individually in context of community, Brigadier stand no where, a small example, I am heading my gotra khap for more than last 30 years, I am member of Animal welfare board of India, I am member Rajya Sainik Board of Haryana since last 8 years, Iam head of my village since 88, I had been voice president jat samaj at national level, I got many jat boys enrolled in various services & still doing my best. I got many serious cases settled of our community, I am every day spending some time towards unity & education of jats, kisans, by the way Snce childhood, I am member kisan union, even while in service, I delivered many lecture for kisan, can superior jat do it. I am fully aware how people get higher ranks. Any way beta let me know meaning of your post so that a obc jat can reply doubts of superior jats. with lots of effection.
 
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Fateh Singh Ji,

I didnt want to jump in and never thought I would but I think you are taking this too seriously ( Dont repent too much. We all have had emotional outburts) . I have read many of your posts and never found anything rude before this post. Most of them were educative. Dont worry too much about this moral police. You said sorry and that finish it. Dont worry too much about what people write. Often this moral police break their own codes.

One more thing if you are giving respect/regards to someone doesnt mean they have to give it back to you.
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Brother, thanks, but my problem is that I can tolrate any serious frontal attack, but back stebbing cannot be tolrated. Any way Brother, I shall try my best to learn maximum from this unfortunate happening. regards
 
Fateh Sir, my sincere apologies. My post was not meant to be offensive and was not directed at anyone. With due regards for your work towards our community, let me rephrase- OBC= Our Bickering Community, reservation or no-reservation....since we are always bickering...:).....
 
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fateh sir... though very less in maturity, compared to many on this portal nd with due respect to all, i reiterate
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Brother, I am sorry to perlong, but couldnot help it, I am unable to tolrate mischief of any body & that is the reason, I suffered in life at the hands of chamchas, duplicates & greate beings. regards
 
I always believed that no fruitful discussion can take place unless both the pros and con of an issue are addressed.

I started the thread expressing my personal views on the subject of OBC, addressing those who were interested in the topic. It was not an one to one, as being perceived and reacted to by some holding different views.

I have my views: others are welcome to hold there’s it is obvious that there are many who hold identical views and many who do not subscribe to my views..

Unfortunately In the process I have been subjected to uncalfied harshest diatribe and painted in all possible dark colours, even my back ground and family and my late father who was considered as an icon in the region , village and community was not spared .

The reference to my father, associating him with ill-gotten wealth, has been more hurting an reason that I m posting this

‘..come out of four walls of your family, your background, your degrees and your high status,’

.’You are not at all respecting your age, your defence experiance and jat family where you got birth if at all,’

‘If a post graduate degree holder, from a family holding many degrees by atlist three generations, a high ranking person s/o high status father, if feels & talks like a totally uneducated chaudhary who has nothing with him except eggo, in that case God saves this community.’

‘.you got birth in govt quarter in house of an emplyee of revnue dept where money & respect comes in tons’,

Even my birth in the community and authenticity of cast has been challenged

‘you are neither, jat nor community friend. This forum is to educate & unite jats, but you are very nicely, quitely & claverly dividing jats’

‘it has become clear to me that either you are not jat or you are working for some other communities to break the unity of jats and derail the efforts for reservation.

Even the new generation’s ability to understand what is good for them has been questioned, as they are likely to get brain washed by my malicious posts

‘did not you realise as to what are you writing and what effect will your writing have on the community and specially the new generation.
If I am such a bad influence on the community why does not the administrator strike me off from the blog.

. ‘Had I been Administrator on this forum, certaily, people like you wouldnot have been allowed to continue’

Even my training in Army has been questioned

‘were you not taught in Army that it is obligatory & compulsory to reply the salute/regards given by your subordinates,’

Also I have misguided the youngsters

‘it is he who initiated the trouble & manged a insult to me where, many youngesters bounced on me & questioned me in all short of manne’

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.’if you compare individually in context of community, Brigadier stand no where’

And Yes, I Agree to above. No Questions here. Now, especially on entering the decade of eighty, I do have no aspirations or desire for some exalted status either in the community or any where else.

I have always avoided getting involved in discussion on religion and politics. It appears that even expressing divergent views on community affairs is also taboo.

The Administrator is at liberty to expel me from the blog, if even more than one member feels that my writings have been damaging to the community interests. It is called Black balling. Bls31
 
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I met with a vendor who's owner of a company and doing fine in business and his son is in ninth class. During our conversation we talked about family. After sometime i got to know one thing that is common for us. We had argument with with our fathers on almost same grounds.We concluded the thing like There is time difference between us and our fathers their thinking was different and ours is different and might be we will find same thing between us and our sons.
Father will never understand this time difference.
After reading passage from a senior member came to same conclusion that there is time difference but time had not changed that much that we forgot to respect our elders. My sincere apologies to you sir if i offended you. But my favor for OBC quota for poor jat farmer is still same i want it not for me or my family members but for my brothers who are sweating in sun while i am typing.
Regards
Rakesh
 
Every body has heart to feel good or bad, like some, nobody has special teder heart, people have noticed & highlited nicely, though true but not properly expressed lines but why people forget lot of good words putted respectfully. what about calling us inferior, obc, why one is forgetting, that he has forced the blue blooded , uncultured jat into a corner, it is really not at all correct on the people to put Dalda Ghee into fire again inspite of my accepting mistake, feeling sorry & begging pardon, anyway,

Brigadier, if youR son behaves the way I behaved, feels sorry & beg your pardon, what will you do? and that also on first mistake, I am also like your son, kindly take decision like a father, it will be acceptable to me. SIR, I AM SORRY, SORRY, AND SORRY. PLEASE PARDON ME, PARDON & PARDON ME. THIS IS STRAIGHT FROM HEART OF A SIMPLE JAT, YOUR YOUNGER, YOUR OWN BLOOD GOOD OR BAD BUT YOURS. COL FATEH
 
We are like this only...

Dear All,

We are like this only. And that is exactly the reason why we can never carry out a meaningful debate on any issue. An old saying is very apt here; two is company, three is crowd and four is a mob. But we believe in; ek Jat Jat, do mauj, teen company and char fauj. I would also like to draw worthy member’s attention to a very old thread about qualities that Jats have or don’t have. Some very important points were discussed there. Sorry, I can’t find the thread.

I may be less educated than other worthy members but I have never been able to understand as to why we get personal at the drop of a hat. There is absolutely no tolerance for other person’s point of view. Why do we make the other person feel like a criminal if we don’t agree to his point of view? Is it so difficult to listen to others point of view that we start commenting on their family, background and what not?

What is the use of having 20 post graduate degrees when an individual can’t tolerate other person’s views, comments, barbs or innuendoes? Our parents underwent hell to be able to give us education and here we are having egos as big as a mountain. It is better to be uneducated and respectful to other’s opinion than being a ‘Know All’ and then behave immaturely. I have been a member of this forum since 2003 and I can’t remember even a single incident when I was disrespectful to any member; elder or younger in besides the point. A real man must enjoy being pitted against those who are better than him. The real test of a person is how you come across to those who are less able than you. “I did this and that” has very little effect in a sane argument. The fact remains that everyone does what he can, depending on the circumstances he finds himself in. I have seen millionaires behave like paupers and paupers give away whatever little they have.

No, I will not make the comment that “because of such incidents, so and so has left this site and gone”. But what kind of an example we are setting by such putrid bickering? As it is we aren’t liked by any other community and then we behave in this manner. Let liberty not be used to become uncivilized.

Regards,

JS Malik
 
Dear Col ,

This is the only time I am addressing you directly, my earlier posts were addressed to Jats at large.

You have brought the father and son issue . I worshiped my father for what he was and the character and values in life we acquired watching him , otherwise I would not have responded the way I did.

I value your views and you have right to them . as I have to mine.

I have no ill feeling towards you or any one else, as a matter of fact I appreciate the passion with which you hold you convictions. Let bygone be bygone , let us work for the batterment of the community.together, in which ever way we can.

I don't think we should work on the father- son relationship, possibly brother to brother would be more appropriate.

Wishing you all the best in your endeavor.

To make it more personal and intimate instead of bls , I sign off by my name , Lakshman.
 
Sir thank you very much, I am relieved, corrected & educated. I can assure you , you may not find me wanted in future. regards
 
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