One laptop per child

[ajaygahlawat]

आदरणीय जाटलैंड वासियो,

आपने शायद "एक लैपटॉप प्रति बच्चा" प्रोजेक्ट के बरे में सुना होगा. यह प्रोजेक्ट करीब करीब २०० डॉलर की लगत के लैपटॉप ६-१२ साल के बच्चों के लिए उपलब्ध करवाने की चेष्टा रखता है. http://www.laptop.org . परन्तु यह मोल १०००० से ज्यादा लैपटॉप एक साथ खरीदने पर ही लागु होगा. १००० के लिए २५० डॉलर, १०० के लिए ३०० डॉलर और १ के लिए ४०० डॉलर. आर्डर अगले महीने से शुरु हो रहे हैं .

क्या हमारे आसपास के स्कूलों में यह कामयाब हो सकता है?

- अजय


P.S. :

एक तो मैं यह बात साफ करना चाहता हूँ की मेरा इस प्रोजेक्ट से कोई लेना देना नहीं है | ना मुझे इससे पैसे मिलने के कोई आसार हैं, ना ख्याति, ना और कुछ | मुझे तो इसके बरे में जान कर यह लगा था की "काश हमारे बचपन में यह उपलब्ध होता"| इसलिए मैं जाटलैंड वासियों के साथ बांटना चाहता था |

दूसरा मैं यह बात बताना चाहता था की olpc एक नोट फॉर प्रोफिट संस्था है| काम करने वाले लोगों की तनखा के इलावा इनका और कोई खर्चा नहीं (जहाँ तक मैं समझता हूँ)| और काम करने वाले लोग भी अव्वल दर्जे के हैं (ये मैं पक्के तौर पर कह सकता हूँ)| यह जरूर हुआ है की इनके प्रयासों की वजय से पूरी कंप्यूटर इंडस्ट्री ने सस्ते कंप्यूटर बनने के बरे में सोचना शुरु कर दिया है|

तीसरा किसी भी चीज को नकारना बहुत आसान होता है| मेरी यह गुजारिश है की इसे नकारने से पहले इसके बारे में जानना बहुत जरूरी है| यदि आप ठीक समझें तो इस बरे में पढ़ें और लिखें यदि न ठीक समझें तो न पढ़ें, न लिखें|

चौथा मेरा यह बात शुरू करने का उद्देश्य एक ही था | ना के कारण सुनना | इकट्ठे कर के प्रोजेक्ट वालों से पूछेंगे इन सब के जवाब | पर थोड़े ओब्जेक्टिवे (तथ्य आधारिक ?) तरीके से पूछने पड़ेंगे | "आण दो" |

- अजय

 

[shashiverma]

Interesting.....business nd business...
I hope Ajay that you know it well which place are you talking about. One Laptop per child....hmm.....
Well I would say let us teach kids about books first and let them find out for themself the need, importance and value of the tech world. Lets not burden them...
Instead of wasting money on Laptop I would prefer spending that on something much better....May be more students having meaningful books in their hands.
They do not need 12yrs to learn abt it and as far making things simple is concerned....why to make the world so artifical for them and get them lost into it.

 

[dndeswal]

A foolish idea

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सबको अपने 'बिजनेस' की पड़ी है, चाहे उससे नन्हें मुन्ने बच्चों का बचपन ही क्यों न खराब न हो जाये । क्या स्कूलों में सिर्फ "जाटलैंड वासियों" के जाट बच्चे ही पढ़ते हैं ? फिर इस वेबसाइट पर इसका प्रचार करने का क्या मतलब ? पोस्ट हिन्दी में (अच्छी बात है), बात हो रही है भारत के स्कूलों की और कंप्यूटर की कीमत "डालर" में, वो भी थोक की मंडी का भाव, अगर कोई एक हजार कंप्यूटर खरीदे तो । सिर्फ सौ डालर की ही तो बात है, बड़ा सस्ता है, आखिर आजकल भारत में डालरों की क्या कमी है ?

कुछ तो बचपन इस टी.वी. ने खराब कर दिया और रही सही कसर यह "लैपटाप" पूरी कर देगा । बच्चे कलम-पैंसिल चलाना, कागज पर चित्रकारी करना भूल जाएंगे और कंप्यूटर बेचने वालों की 'सेल' बढ़ जायेगी ! क्या आईडिया है ! भाड़े में जायें ये सुसरे लैपटाप । छः साल से बारह साल तक के बच्चों की बजाय कालेज के विद्यार्थियों के लिये क्यों नहीं यह आफर दी जा रही ?
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[ajaygahlawat]

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[ajaygahlawat]

Shashi,

Thanks for the thoughtful comments.

Interesting.....business nd business...
I hope Ajay that you know it well which place are you talking about. One Laptop per child

Absolutely! That is the exact reason why I am bringing this up. You see, I went to Government Secondary School Khedi Saadh and learnt the rigors of "takhti potna" "shahi banana" "kalam ghadna" etc. An entire gamut of skills that have never helped me in my life later. What I am trying to bring up is the fact that if we jaats don't come out of our shells. We are going to fade away in oblivion. We all need to know what is happening around us. Instead of sulk at anything that we don't like to be happening according to our own world vision. I have not seen a more analytical and naturally gifted community than ours, and am proud of it. But we need to put those analytical and artistic gifts to good use. But I digress. Let me come back to the topic at hand.

Well I would say let us teach kids about books first and let them find out for themself the need, importance and value of the tech world.

I agree! And any kid that I have given my laptop to, has not watched TV untill I take the machine away. So, I feel that if we let the kids decide, they will surely vote for getting computers. <I am not suggesting that we let them make this decison. I am not suggesting the contrary either.> . Point is, whatever other vices it may have, it will certainly not be burdon on the kids learning. It will be an enhancer. Nevertheless, I have taken this up as a question to be posted to the project.

Interesting.....business nd business...
Instead of wasting money on Laptop I would prefer spending that on something much better....

Yes, that is the argument our government has given, and that is the reason we are not participating in it as a nation.

May be more students having meaningful books in their hands.

Absolutely! And I believe that one great way of enhancing research and reading skills is to give them internet. (my belief only). There are more books available in project guttenburg than one would ever be able to read in a lifetime. Yes the filtering of content part could be a concern, and is already taken care of to a large extent.

They do not need 12yrs to learn abt it and as far making things simple is concerned....why to make the world so artifical for them and get them lost into it.

I don't quiet get the point made in the first sentence. But as far as as artificial is concerned, it is a relative concept. Perhaps you are saying "so different from what it is today" or "so different from how our generation did it"? But again could you please elaborate the concern there. I don't want to put my words to this question. And the question deserves to reach the right ears.

-Ajay

 

[ajaygahlawat]

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[rkumar]

आदरणीय जाटलैंड वासियो,

आपने शायद "एक लैपटॉप प्रति बच्चा" प्रोजेक्ट के बरे में सुना होगा. यह प्रोजेक्ट करीब करीब २०० डॉलर की लगत के लैपटॉप ६-१२ साल के बच्चों के लिए उपलब्ध करवाने की चेष्टा रखता है. http://www.laptop.org . परन्तु यह मोल १०००० से ज्यादा लैपटॉप एक साथ खरीदने पर ही लागु होगा. १००० के लिए २५० डॉलर, १०० के लिए ३०० डॉलर और १ के लिए ४०० डॉलर. आर्डर अगले महीने से शुरु हो रहे हैं .

क्या हमारे आसपास के स्कूलों में यह कामयाब हो सकता है?

- अजय

I am not sure how many kids can afford this laptop even at this low price. However, Its a great development. If not every child, at least every rural school should have 5-10 such laptops for kids to feel new technology. Who knows we may get some best brains in computer technology from such efforts. I don't think age has anything to do with having or not having a laptop. Best brains in computers are always the very young ones. Sooner we catch them better it will be.

RK^2

 

[ajaygahlawat]

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सबको अपने 'बिजनेस' की पड़ी है.

पता नहीं! कम से कम मुझे तो अपने बिजनेस की पड़ी होती तो मैं जाटलैंड पर पोस्ट करने की बजाये काम कर रहा होता|

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चाहे उससे नन्हें मुन्ने बच्चों का बचपन ही क्यों न खराब न हो जाये ।

ये एक अहम सवाल हो सकता है| कृपया विस्तार से बताएं | आपके हिसाब से किस किस तरह इससे नन्हें मुन्ने बच्चों का बचपन ख़राब हो रहा है?

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क्या स्कूलों में सिर्फ "जाटलैंड वासियों" के जाट बच्चे ही पढ़ते हैं ? फिर इस वेबसाइट पर इसका प्रचार करने का क्या मतलब ?
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पर स्कूल में जाटलैंड वासियों के बच्चे भी पढ़ते हैं | और मेरा प्रचार का उद्देश्य बिल्कुल नहीं था, विचार का था | प्रचार करने के लिए माफ़ी |

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पोस्ट हिन्दी में (अच्छी बात है), बात हो रही है भारत के स्कूलों की और कंप्यूटर की कीमत "डालर" में, वो भी थोक की मंडी का भाव, अगर कोई एक हजार कंप्यूटर खरीदे तो । सिर्फ सौ डालर की ही तो बात है, बड़ा सस्ता है, आखिर आजकल भारत में डालरों की क्या कमी है ?
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मेरी हिन्दी कोशिश को सराहने के लिए धन्यवाद | मैंने डॉलर में कीमत इस लिए लिखी थी क्यूंकि आजकल हिंदुस्तान में डॉलरों की कोई कमी नहीं और इस वजेह से हर रोज डॉलर का भाव बदल जाता है| अगर मैं रुपयों में कीमत बताता तो वह कल ग़लत हो जाती | और थोक के भाव मैंने इसलिए बताये थे क्यूंकि उसके बिना कंप्यूटर महंगा पड़ता है| लागत बहुत है | अभी तो ये ताइवान में बन रहे हैं, लेकिन अगर भारत चाहे तो भारत में बना शुरू कर सकता है| सारी टेक्नोलॉजी "स्वतंत्र" <open source> है और आप चाहें तो आप आपनी फैंक्टरी खड़ी कर सकते हैं ये बनने के लिए| हाँ ये जरूर है की आगले साल तक एक कंपनी को ये बनने का ठेका दिया गया है| और उन्होंने एक अच्छे काम के लिए ये बिजनेस रिस्क भी लिया हुआ है|

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कुछ तो बचपन इस टी.वी. ने खराब कर दिया और रही सही कसर यह "लैपटाप" पूरी कर देगा ।
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मैंने ये सवाल भी नोट कर लिया है प्रोजेक्ट को भेजने के लिए| पर मेरा ये मानना है की जो टीवी ने ख़राब किया वह ये सुधरने की क्षमता रखता है | पर यदि आप विस्तार से बता पाएंगे की क्या क्या इससे ख़राब होने की आशंका है, तो उसका उपाय ढूँढा जा सकता है | या फ़िर हाथ भी खड़े किए जा सकते हैं - की भाई इस चीज का तो कोई उपाय नहीं |

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बच्चे कलम-पैंसिल चलाना, कागज पर चित्रकारी करना भूल जाएंगे और कंप्यूटर बेचने वालों की 'सेल' बढ़ जायेगी ! क्या आईडिया है !
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कलम पैंसिल चलाना भी एक अच्छी चीज है, और कंप्यूटर चलाना भी | चुनाव आपको करना है की क्या आप कलम पैंसिल चलने के लिए कंप्युटर चलने का परित्याग कर सकते हैं | मैं कंप्यूटर नहीं बेचता इसलिए मुझे सेल के बरे में कोई आइडिया नहीं | पर हो सकता है की आप ठीक कह रहे हों |

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भाड़े में जायें ये सुसरे लैपटाप । छः साल से बारह साल तक के बच्चों की बजाय कालेज के विद्यार्थियों के लिये क्यों नहीं यह आफर दी जा रही ?
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खैर होगा तो वही जो होना है| मेरे या आपके चाहने से तो कोई चीज भाड़ में नही जायेगी | जहाँ तक कॉलेज के विद्यार्थियों का सवाल है | ये कंप्यूटर बच्चों के लिए ही बनाया गया है| सब कुछ शुरू से शुरू हो कर के | कॉलेज के विद्यार्थियों के लिए तो बहुत कुछ उपलब्ध है | मेरे कॉलेज के हरेक बच्चे के पास आज लैपटॉप कंप्यूटर है| उनकी जरूरतें अलग हैं | उन्हें ज्यादा क्षमता की मशीन चाहिए | उस क्षमता की मशीन के लिए आज भारत में दाम २१००० से शुरू होते हैं| और वह पहले है maas produce हो रही हैं, इसलिए और कम करने की गुंजाईश नहीं है|

आशा करता हूँ की आपकी कुछ चिंताओं को शांत कर पाया हूँ? कृपया सवाल पूछना न छोडें |

- अजय

 

[shashiverma]

Shashi,

I agree! And any kid that I have given my laptop to, has not watched TV untill I take the machine away. So, I feel that if we let the kids decide, they will surely vote for getting computers. <I am not suggesting that we let them make this decison. I am not suggesting the contrary either.> . Point is, whatever other vices it may have, it will certainly not be burdon on the kids learning. It will be an enhancer. Nevertheless, I have taken this up as a question to be posted to the project.
Yes, that is the argument our government has given, and that is the reason we are not participating in it as a nation.Absolutely! And I believe that one great way of enhancing research and reading skills is to give them internet. (my belief only). There are more books available in project guttenburg than one would ever be able to read in a lifetime. Yes the filtering of content part could be a concern, and is already taken care of to a large extent.
I don't quiet get the point made in the first sentence. But as far as as artificial is concerned, it is a relative concept. Perhaps you are saying "so different from what it is today" or "so different from how our generation did it"? But again could you please elaborate the concern there. I don't want to put my words to this question. And the question deserves to reach the right ears.
-Ajay

Gud points to discuss...
I am not at all against learning and using computers and it should be taught at school level itself. But the point I am not in favour of is each student having a personal laptop.
But before answering you I would like to mention one thing.
We were not allowed to use calculators when we were in school although they were very much available. Why??
There was a definite reason for doing this. Our brain is gud enough to do all those calculations and we should practise that. Eversince we started using that...ask someone a simple calculation... nd you know the answer.
There is no harm in using the calculator but first let their brain grow.

In the present scenario itself most of the parents do manage to make PC/Laptops available for their kids. I know from the early childhood they are well aware of the things we people learned after being into colleges. But does that make a real difference?? Does the child do not have to pay price for that? I feel they usually get addicted to it and apart from the educational stuff you expose them to the whole lots of things which suck their energy and time. Those things can wait. They can learn it a later stage.

And apart from that I do not think it is possible to make laptops available for each and every student. And if we simply want to follow the west pattern of teaching then lets first think of bringing all students at more or less similiar plateform.

Based on what I understand, it may not be a wise idea to expose them to whole lot of stuff (Which obviously they would have access to... once they have their own laptops) before they are mature enough to understand what to read and what to discard. Its more like you bombard them with whole lot of new things and most of time it would be at the cost of the time they could have spent in growing in the real sense.

I will support introducing laptops at college level as was mentioned earlier in thread.

 

[pnauhwar21]

I didn't see an option of CD-ROM drive or DVD drive in the laptop which is a must if you want this to be provided to small children..there are tons of interactive Educational CDs that can be shown to children..just using these for internet and games is not going to help much..secondly, what is the Warranty/Support plan of such laptops and how costly will the repairs be?

And as you mentioned the $200 rate is only available for >10K orders, it cannot be bought by any school except if bought by government to distribute throughout the country..hence you should target Government and not individual schools..the rate for less No. of laptops is not competitive enough and you can easily get a decent desktop with better configuration for that amount so why would schools invest in this laptop which is quite different from the systems that are actually used in real world?

 

[ajaygahlawat]

Gud points to discuss...
I am not at all against learning and using computers and it should be taught at school level itself. But the point I am not in favour of is each student having a personal laptop.
But before answering you I would like to mention one thing.
We were not allowed to use calculators when we were in school although they were very much available. Why??
There was a definite reason for doing this. Our brain is gud enough to do all those calculations and we should practise that. Eversince we started using that...ask someone a simple calculation... nd you know the answer.
There is no harm in using the calculator but first let their brain grow.

Shashi, thanks again for your insights. I think that is a valid concern. While I personally would have phrased it a little differently, I am not going to paraphrase it for risk of loss of original message. Would it be possible for you to summarize the question we need to post to OLPC in one - two sentence?

And apart from that I do not think it is possible to make laptops available for each and every student. And if we simply want to follow the west pattern of teaching then lets first think of bringing all students at more or less similiar plateform.

That is a very widely asked question. And if one goes over the history of OLPC, it started off trying to solve that exact problem. These guys are all educationalists. All they have done all their lives is to teach. And to teach at the best places around for learning. So, yes they do realize that enabling some and not others is not a good thing. But this pattern is so much better than the west. If you have seen schools in the west you would know. It it a new way of thinking. Does not go out to solve all the problems in the world. Just provides a machine with all the tools necessary for learning. Of course it does not take away the mentoring role from the teacher or the parenting role from the parent. Those things are independent of the devices you use.

Secondly, IT is a great equalizer. With great connectivity, you can overcome issues with not having super experts for those students that need it. You can customize the learning experience of every single child without overloading the class teacher. That I believe could be a real equalizer.

Based on what I understand, it may not be a wise idea to expose them to whole lot of stuff (Which obviously they would have access to... once they have their own laptops) before they are mature enough to understand what to read and what to discard. Its more like you bombard them with whole lot of new things and most of time it would be at the cost of the time they could have spent in growing in the real sense.

Information overload is a real problem in today's world. And a new skill is needed. Yes, as you rightly point out, the skill to be able to choose what to read and what not to. Or goal based reading. I am sure not sure how many of our schools cater to that.

Secondly, would it make you happy, if there were a mechanism to control the kind of content students are allowed to explore unsupervised, and the kinds of content they would only be able to access if sharing an activity with a teacher / parent?


Thirdly, please help me with a succinctly worded 1-2 sentence question that we can post to OLPC.

I will support introducing laptops at college level as was mentioned earlier in thread.

College wale bache sunte kahan hain? agar unhen chahiye to woh le hi aayenge.


Thanks again for your interest in this very important subject.

-Ajay

 

[ajaygahlawat]

Prashant,

I didn't see an option of CD-ROM drive or DVD drive in the laptop which is a must if you want this to be provided to small children..there are tons of interactive Educational CDs that can be shown to children..just using these for internet and games is not going to help much

Really good question. Taking it up to be asked. But there is still a response that I could think of.

The laptops don't have a built in optical drive. Actually if you noticed they don't have a hard disk either. , or for that matter, any moving part. The two reasons for that are weight and durability. The laptop has 1GB of flash storage, and the rest of the storage will be provided on the school servers from where you could access it whenever you want. because the wireless internet would always work. And these servers also have cd drives and everything attached to them, so that you could take the contents of the CDs and put it there for all to use.


But they do have a fair amount of USB slots where any amount of peripherals can be attached. Including the extra hard disks and printers if you want those as well. The cost of internal and external USB drives is not very different. So why make the 1.5 kg machine into a 2.5 kg one when you could keep those detached.

An amazing amount of things have packed into those 1.5 Kgs of weight, and 2 watts of average power guideline. It has video and audio recording , it has voice over IP ( read free video telephony) . It has an auto configuring wireless mesh network. Below the keyboard, it has a writing pad where whatever you write would be recorded on the computer. It has interactive activities that can be shared with anyone you invite. And it has the ability to be modified as you want by teachers / students / parents etc. And it has a display that can be read in Sun if you want. Be creative is all it says. For a full list of features, click the laptop icon on the laptop.org website.

If you add all (or most as all is not even possible) these features to a conventional machine, and also make it that light, the cost as on date is about 2000 - 4000 dollars . Now compare that with the pricepoint of 200-400.


Cheers,
Ajay

 

[ajaygahlawat]

And as you mentioned the $200 rate is only available for >10K orders, it cannot be bought by any school except if bought by government to distribute throughout the country..hence you should target Government and not individual schools..the rate for less No. of laptops is not competitive enough and you can easily get a decent desktop with better configuration for that amount so why would schools invest in this laptop which is quite different from the systems that are actually used in real world?

Who is "you"? I am the community just like everyone else on the website. Not sure if I made it clear enough. I am just a fan of the project. Nothing more nothing less.

 

[ajaygahlawat]

secondly, what is the Warranty/Support plan of such laptops and how costly will the repairs be?

I don't know. I have myself asked the question and a lot more. see http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/india/2007-October/000064.html
.

-Ajay

 

[ajaygahlawat]

I am not sure how many kids can afford this laptop even at this low price. However, Its a great development. If not every child, at least every rural school should have 5-10 such laptops for kids to feel new technology. Who knows we may get some best brains in computer technology from such efforts. I don't think age has anything to do with having or not having a laptop. Best brains in computers are always the very young ones. Sooner we catch them better it will be.

RK^2

I agree. But there are some open questions: How do the schools decide who gets to use the 5-10 machines. As far as I can see, they will be used by the "master"'s kids.

Secondly, even the 5-10 machines is not going to happen. Is there a need to influence it? if so, how? if not should we just let it pass us by?

Thirdly, who funds?

-Ajay

 

[shashiverma]

Well my concern is that if we introduce laptops so early in their life then probably we may end up having robots instead of kids.
I think this is perhaps the reason behind the fact that at many places the best institutes are now making kids learn from nature instead of subjecting them to whole lot of technology.
We have the results in front of our eyes. Just look towards the west world.

Our society is presently not equipped enough to teach kids to maintain balance between the man made tech stuff and nature. If you say that parents and teachers would be capable enough to teach their kids to take laptop as just a book and they would be in a position to maintain balance between their academic and practical (social) education...then probably I would move ahead to buy your sentence.
So i would say parents and teachers need to be educted to maintain balance otherwise I do not think they can teach kids.
I think its more like giving a gun in the hands of your kids without even teaching them the importance and usage.....even which way to hold before firing.
You have rightly said that ..college walle students sunatee kaha hai.....and if you just look around you will find that people simply get carried away with internet and other such stuff. If we can not ensure that the educated lot is good enough to handle them then how do you think it is possible to ensure the same for innocent kids.

 

[ajaygahlawat]

Well my concern is that if we introduce laptops so early in their life then probably we may end up having robots instead of kids.
I think this is perhaps the reason behind the fact that at many places the best institutes are now making kids learn from nature instead of subjecting them to whole lot of technology.
We have the results in front of our eyes. Just look towards the west world.

Nicely phrased. . But being a robot is independent of whether you touch a computer or not. If you mean personality as the psychologists point out, that does not change after 5 years of age. (Very well established assertion in psychology). If you mean behavior, then that depends on a lot of other factors. Like what did you watch when you were growing up. Was it other ignorant people like yourself, or was it some competent person in the city who would never travel to interact with you. And as far as interacting with the nature is concerned, I can only give my own experiences. Personally, I have only started using Neem, Safeda etc. in my daily life only after significant research on the internet. Being an electrical engineer, I also think of a lot of ways of solving the energy crisis in a nature friendly way sustainable way. But nothing would be possible without the reference material available on the net.

I did see someone's experiences using laptops posted on a website. That is from a country poorer than ours. I'll look for it and post it to the discussion.

 

[ajaygahlawat]

I did see someone's experiences using laptops posted on a website. That is from a country poorer than ours. I'll look for it and post it to the discussion.

As promised, here is the link http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Peru/Arahuay .

This does capture some of the aspects of how people's life changed as an effect of the OLPC laptops. The more important part is how they seem to be ready to change based on the feedback from the actual users.

 

[ajaygahlawat]

Well my concern is that if we introduce laptops so early in their life then probably we may end up having robots instead of kids.
I think this is perhaps the reason behind the fact that at many places the best institutes are now making kids learn from nature instead of subjecting them to whole lot of technology.
We have the results in front of our eyes. Just look towards the west world.

I am unable to deduce what exact part of the west do you mean here. I have personally experienced life in a fair number of locations in the developed world, and I think they are thriving.

 

[ajaygahlawat]

Our society is presently not equipped enough to teach kids to maintain balance between the man made tech stuff and nature. If you say that parents and teachers would be capable enough to teach their kids to take laptop as just a book and they would be in a position to maintain balance between their academic and practical (social) education.

Agree! So, can we afford to miss the opportunity to equip the society in a manner that it can teach it's kids to maintain a balance between conservation of existing richness and new high tech advancement?

The parents and teachers, are capable is my assertion. They can pull the internet plug if they want. And then the kids would have to explain to the grown ups why they want internet before being given conditional access. While I personally am not in favor of a very high handed approach here, but I am no one to tell people how to raise their children.

...then probably I would move ahead to buy your sentence.

So i would say parents and teachers need to be educted to maintain balance otherwise I do not think they can teach kids.

Please do. . Yes absolutely, if they don't know already that is. Actually any change can be best brought in by explaining how the change will affect everyone involved. Take a look at the link I posted earlier about the experiences in a Peru school. They spent considerable amount of time just talking to the teachers.

I think its more like giving a gun in the hands of your kids without even teaching them the importance and usage.....even which way to hold before firing.
You have rightly said that ..college walle students sunatee kaha hai.....and if you just look around you will find that people simply get carried away with internet and other such stuff. If we can not ensure that the educated lot is good enough to handle them then how do you think it is possible to ensure the same for innocent kids.

I agree. Which is why a lot of control over the content is built into the internet access system. There is key word matching to ban pages etc. And the college age is a lot more vulnerable. It is easier to teach responsible use of internet before the teens, than during the teens. But again that is my personal opinion.

I am very happy with the way this discussion is shaping up. We are able to identify the exact reasons why we don't like it. We can specify the aspects we don't like, and we can ask for a solution to those concerns. If they still don't get addressed , then we would be right in our decision to oppose the concept as a whole. But until then, as some mahapurush said, "बुराई से नफरत करो बुरे से नहीं" .