Origin of Jats--->True story

[atul.jhajhria]

According to my father Jats are not Aryan/Hindu/Inidan in origin.

My father said there was a warrior from central asia, the most handsome of all men, the most powerful among all men, he came to India long long time back....perhaps even before Ashoka, people used to call him Jat.

He married local princess, not one but many.

His sons, daughter equally handsome were called Jats.


Now if i think this, seems to be the truth!

May be he was Sythian/Hun origin or whatever but he callled himself Jat. May be because Jats were considered in high esteem from where he came.

I think he was not alone! Probably there were other Jats who came with him! But it was that leader who was famous among aboriginal people of India.

 

[narenderkharb]

We are seeing your history and objectives.

I have to quote Vijay....

we didn't expect this from you.

 

[atul.jhajhria]

We are seeing your history and objectives.

I have to quote Vijay....

we didn't expect this from you.

It may be absolutely wrong and my father may have told me fairytale but actual truth cant be very different from that!

Some things are obvious exxageration but its the only theory that proves everything!

If you think we are different race than i would suggest you see genetic background of jats, we have many-2 common genes with native population!

Other half probably matches with croats/serb etc.

Whoever our ancestors were, they for sure married to local population!

If you think otherwise, than give me reason why you think so!

And btw dont expect everyone to follow same path. I dont want to become clone!

You are one of few people here who is willing to argue and reason!

I respect that!


Let me quote:

Dont get fooled by foolishness of others!

 

[narenderkharb]

Atul when you starts discussion any one will expect that you know some thing about it otherwise the other guy may feel that he has just to put information already available on internet.

Croat and serb have a proven history of their movement from north western part of belochistan (an area supposed to be inhabited by our ancestors).

This thing about their origin from our jat race was discussed in detail when Sahib singh wanted to attend the first jat world conference held in their country.

Sammar abbas has presented papers regarding their origin from jats of indus area.

What does that prove?

Now no need to be in hurry to prove our foreign origin please see all literature understand it than we may discuss it.

I have already discussed it with some members of our Govalkar fan club.

 

[cooljat]

Bhai RE Atul,
tu nu kar History ka pachaa chhod de
aur apni padai mein dhayan laga,
nahin to agar to fail ho liya to
Birbal uncelji ka katti naam daboyega!

Grow up dude, leave history to historians

Uncelji ne mera sadar charan sparch boliye!!

Rock on
Jit

 

[atul.jhajhria]

Atul when you starts discussion any one will expect that you know some thing about it otherwise the other guy may feel that he has just to put information already available on internet.

Croat and serb have a proven history of their movement from north western part of belochistan (an area supposed to be inhabited by our ancestors).

This thing about their origin from our jat race was discussed in detail when Sahib singh wanted to attend the first jat world conference held in their country.

Sammar abbas has presented papers regarding their origin from jats of indus area.

What does that prove?

Now no need to be in hurry to prove our foreign origin please see all literature understand it than we may discuss it.

I have already discussed it with some members of our Govalkar fan club.

Do you know even today Baloochistan of Pakistan has 10% jat population. And this is exact figure. Though they all are muslim jats.

 

[atul.jhajhria]

Bhai RE Atul,
tu nu kar History ka pachaa chhod de
aur apni padai mein dhayan laga,
nahin to agar to fail ho liya to
Birbal uncelji ka katti naam daboyega!

Grow up dude, leave history to historians

Uncelji ne mera sadar charan sparch boliye!!

Rock on
Jit

Hey JIT, thanx i am doing fine

Just opposite of fail.

but i think History is not my subject

 

[narenderkharb]

Thats what I EXACTLY WANTED YOU TO UNDERSTAND.

BELOCHISTAN WAS INHABITED BY JATS AND THE CROATS AND OTHERS WHO WENT OUTSIDE TOOK JAT GENES IN THEM.

Secondaly a very very important point atul for you to note....

The most credible theory about origin of Indus valley people was put forward by Asko parpola and mahadevan....
(of course before mine)

On the single credible evidence of these belochistani people who spoke a language with a dravidian base and called bruhie.

That these people were dravidian.

Howver when vedic people came to this land they found these people ancient inhabitants of this land and it was reported in sanskrit texts.

These texts were later quoted even by other muslim historians and finally by britishers except our own Indian historians.
what they say...

The Tarikh-i-Tahiri decribe ....

These nambruhie of belochistan are the original inhabitants according to the sanskrit texts are of jat tribe of jiohiya and other clans.

H.A.Rose in Glossary of tribe and cast of north west India says...
these bruhie jats settled near mountanious regions of Lakki mountain extending up to Rich and Markan.....Ib..P..286...

This clearly shows that the parkrit and dravidian language were related to each other and in Indus people used BRUHIE LANGUAGE AND aggulitante script till vedic people arrived.

There the indus script evolved to telgu towards south and brahmi towards north.
But you are not at fault these so clear things are not mentioned in history books so you also feel our history is mysterious.

In fact our Ancestors created one of the most advanced civilization of its time before these vedic people came with indra varun mitra etc.

Hope your doubts might have cleared.

 

[smeker]

In majority croatians are not from beluchi

Geneticaly speaking majority of croatian genes are in europe from paleolithic and are similar whit scandinavian genes,which sugest a older asumption that croatia was the ice age shelther for the scandinavians(scandinavia was under ice cap of course).The fact that they are call croatians(hrvati) does not sugest that majority of population have that origin.Is common to call a country after his ruling class.Freench people are name like this after germanic tribe the francs ,even if this francs geneticaly not more the 1% of french population.England is like this after the anglo-saxon which are no more then 20% of england population.Bulgary was name after turkic bulgars which are no more then 5% of bulgarian genes.And are many-many nations in the same situation.Also it was comon for the new comers to merry whit the local ruling class.
In conclusion croatian are in majority in europe from paleolithic or an least from neolithic.They was invaded by some slavic population whit iranian ruling class(serbs,hrvats).Also it was common for a nomadic army to capture local man and to force them to fight for their foreing rulling class,in order to increase their number.In many cases the number of warior slaves over pass the number of their masters.If you tink that is imposible for a small population to concore and control million of man think at mongolians-some thousand of skillful archers concore half of eurasia and hundreds of millions people.Or 250000 roman soldeirs control an empire of 57 million people,many not so hapy whit roman ruling.
We remain whit 2 theories.One,jats are name like this because some time in their history they was concored by some outsiders and they borow the name of their liders,or 2 jats are the original wariors (or farmers?) that concore many lands of eurasia.
You have 2 choises:ethno-centrism or true history(of course many ethnic claims could be true).

 

[rohitkhuddan]

give him a break guys!

i think we are getting harsh on atul at times! a'nt we?
i mean everytime he says something n it bcomes a conflicting statement.

Atul buddy there are hell lot of " Punias " in Rajasthan but i wudn suggest to make a seperate division for them although i m Punia too.

n u talked abt the history of Jats , i think there was a book by Dr. B S Dahiya,Phd in History , he claimed that Jats were middle south asia n were warriors to save society from all sorts of invasions.This was the result of 13 years of wide research in this subject.There was a lot more but i gotta chk for this in detail.I wud come up with some more details frm that book.

that is a nice thing to talk about.
" Please i request to all my seniors not to make a conflict of it at all"
If it hurts ne1 my sincere apologies.

" bhai main te nu kahu su : mele mein ar rele mein bhai e kaam aaya kare"

 

[atul.jhajhria]

i think we are getting harsh on atul at times! a'nt we?
i mean everytime he says something n it bcomes a conflicting statement.

Atul buddy there are hell lot of " Punias " in Rajasthan but i wudn suggest to make a seperate division for them although i m Punia too.

n u talked abt the history of Jats , i think there was a book by Dr. B S Dahiya,Phd in History , he claimed that Jats were middle south asia n were warriors to save society from all sorts of invasions.This was the result of 13 years of wide research in this subject.There was a lot more but i gotta chk for this in detail.I wud come up with some more details frm that book.

that is a nice thing to talk about.
" Please i request to all my seniors not to make a conflict of it at all"
If it hurts ne1 my sincere apologies.

" bhai main te nu kahu su : mele mein ar rele mein bhai e kaam aaya kare"

Thanx rohit for understanding.

Truth is these Brahmins have always suppresed our great History!

We had to work doubly hard to achieve!

Instead of depending on brahmins to write our history, we should write it ourself!

In harayana, we have got so strong that these Brahmins have started looking up to Jats!

They know art of survival very well.

They just do what they do best, getting along most powerful!

Other people dont forget that we have absoluate power in Haryana and thats why other castes are in no situation to challenge us individually!

They try too hard to form anti-jat lobby.

Everyone knows that Brahmins, Punjabi, Baniys tries to form coalition against jats. BUt we always prevail!

Things may not be same in every state!!

 

[rohitkhuddan]

agreed!

ya ! i know the baniyas n all others u mentioned r too tough to handle.
they ar just for there own,but truth is we don need to bother abt them.
but be precise with ur topics as well.. sometime u do get hyper.

Thanx rohit for understanding.

Truth is these Brahmins have always suppresed our great History!

We had to work doubly hard to achieve!

Instead of depending on brahmins to write our history, we should write it ourself!

In harayana, we have got so strong that these Brahmins have started looking up to Jats!

They know art of survival very well.

They just do what they do best, getting along most powerful!

Other people dont forget that we have absoluate power in Haryana and thats why other castes are in no situation to challenge us individually!

They try too hard to form anti-jat lobby.

Everyone knows that Brahmins, Punjabi, Baniys tries to form coalition against jats. BUt we always prevail!

Things may not be same in every state!!

 

[rkumar]

According to my father Jats are not Aryan/Hindu/Inidan in origin.

My father said there was a warrior from central asia, the most handsome of all men, the most powerful among all men, he came to India long long time back....perhaps even before Ashoka, people used to call him Jat.

He married local princess, not one but many.

His sons, daughter equally handsome were called Jats.


Now if i think this, seems to be the truth!

May be he was Sythian/Hun origin or whatever but he callled himself Jat. May be because Jats were considered in high esteem from where he came.

I think he was not alone! Probably there were other Jats who came with him! But it was that leader who was famous among aboriginal people of India.

This reminds me of what my Grand mother used to tell we kids about Earthquake. As per her Earth is balanced on the horn of a cow.When ever cow changes the position of Earth from one horn to another, Earthquake comes. And I also beleive what my grand mother told us...It appears a correct interpretation.

RK^2

 

[atul.jhajhria]

This reminds me of what my Grand mother used to tell we kids about Earthquake. As per her Earth is balanced on the horn of a cow.When ever cow changes the position of Earth from one horn to another, Earthquake comes. And I also beleive what my grand mother told us...It appears a correct interpretation.

RK^2

lol @ Rajendra ji, yah its kind of fairy tale but still my version is not completely outrageous!!

I think soka-norman has valid point.

 

[rkumar]

lol @ Rajendra ji, yah its kind of fairy tale but still my version is not completely outrageous!!

I think soka-norman has valid point.

OK. let us go by your father's version of history and apply the same to other casts and religions. There must have been one Chamar, one Baniya, one Rajput, one Julaha and so on...who fathered all their fellow caste men. This whole logic is totally baseless as far as I can think and does not merit any debate. As told earlier, this logic is akin to my grand mother's story..

RK^2

 

[atul.jhajhria]

OK. let us go by your father's version of history and apply the same to other casts and religions. There must have been one Chamar, one Baniya, one Rajput, one Julaha and so on...who fathered all their fellow caste men. This whole logic is totally baseless as far as I can think and does not merit any debate. As told earlier, this logic is akin to my grand mother's story..

RK^2

No!

It simply says our ancestors came from outside India!

We are not native people!

Nothing more nothing less!

For any caste Rajput, Gujjar, if they migrated from outside same theory holds true!!

Its about migration!!

The only alternative theory is our homeland==India only.