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punay to shyad hum sabko pata hi hai kya hota hai..jab hum bina kissi swarth ke kisi ki bhalai ke liyye kuch accha kartae hai.
par paap ki itni saari definition hai......keedi ko maarne se paap lagega...jhuth bolne se paap lagega...
to paap ki sabki alag alag definition hai.
bachpan me me ek serial dekhti thi shanti osme maine paap ki ye definition suni thi aur tab se me issi par amal karne ki koshish karti hu......paap vo har cheez hai jo ki agar aapke swayam ke saath agar ho to galat hai ...ye jante hue bhi agar aap vahi cheez dusre ke saath karte ho to vo paap hai
aap sab buddhijiyo ke nazariye me paap kya hai janana chahugii
 
paap or punaya

baby paap or punya kisi natak ko thekh kar nahi decide kar sakte, hum hamesha koi na koi karm kar rahwe hote hai, har karm ka wasta ATMA' se hota hai dono hi karm as a atma' bedia hai. acche karm gold ornaments hai or bure karam lohe ki bediya hai hame done ko done hi achche bure hai or hamare par lade hue hai. Atama ki mukti ke liye iss manushya janam me katana hai or atma ko karm mukt banaa hai yadi atama soft (karam mukt ) hogi aant me koi bhi ichaa nahi hogi to weh parampita se mil jayegi, jahan par asim shanti he or dubara 84 lakh yonio ke bandhan se mukt ho jayegi mere vichar se aap paap chod yadi atma mukti ki taraf socho to kalyaan ho kyoki jaan chaah vanha raah.

joginder sejwal
 
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Jayadater Budhijeeviyeo kee najar mein kuchh bhee paap nahi hota.

Es paap or punya key chakker mein to aam insaan padta hai, Jayadater bhudhijeevee to yehi mantey hain kee "Apna bhala to sabka bhala"

Paap wah hai jees-say keese ko dukh panhuchta hai, Isliyea her insaan ko easee koshish karnee chahiyea kee uskay dawara key kamoo say kesee ko kast na ho.


ritu said:
punay to shyad hum sabko pata hi hai kya hota hai..jab hum bina kissi swarth ke kisi ki bhalai ke liyye kuch accha kartae hai.
par paap ki itni saari definition hai......keedi ko maarne se paap lagega...jhuth bolne se paap lagega...
to paap ki sabki alag alag definition hai.
bachpan me me ek serial dekhti thi shanti osme maine paap ki ye definition suni thi aur tab se me issi par amal karne ki koshish karti hu......paap vo har cheez hai jo ki agar aapke swayam ke saath agar ho to galat hai ...ye jante hue bhi agar aap vahi cheez dusre ke saath karte ho to vo paap hai
aap sab buddhijiyo ke nazariye me paap kya hai janana chahugii
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Sejwal jee yeo to bahut mushkil kam hai.

Bhai sahab, Ees sansar mein rehkar nesawarth kam karna shayad sabsay kathin kam hai. Aachchhey karmo key dawara agar mukti milti hai to sahi hai nahi to punh manushya sharir bhee mil jayay to bahut hai.


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baby paap or punya kisi natak ko thekh kar nahi decide kar sakte, hum hamesha koi na koi karm kar rahwe hote hai, har karm ka wasta ATMA' se hota hai dono hi karm as a atma' bedia hai. acche karm gold ornaments hai or bure karam lohe ki bediya hai hame done ko done hi achche bure hai or hamare par lade hue hai. Atama ki mukti ke liye iss manushya janam me katana hai or atma ko karm mukt banaa hai yadi atama soft (karam mukt ) hogi aant me koi bhi ichaa nahi hogi to weh parampita se mil jayegi, jahan par asim shanti he or dubara 84 lakh yonio ke bandhan se mukt ho jayegi mere vichar se aap paap chod yadi atma mukti ki taraf socho to kalyaan ho kyoki jaan chaah vanha raah.

joginder sejwal
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ritu g...


asal me paap vo hota hai jissy kisi dusre ko dukh pahuche, otherwise...is duniya me kuch be paap nahi...! kisi ki balai k liye boola gya jooth be paap nahi hota.......!


@saty..

bhai issa kam na kar karo k moderator ko gali mele..lolz.



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Paap John Abrahm ki ek movie hai :p

Thoda sa majjak sahi serious definitions ke beech :)
Waise hum sab jaante hai paap punya kya hai par fir bhi pata hote hue paap waap sab masti se karte hai ... hehe
 
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Chapter-9 [ MAHABHARAT]

Supreme Knowledge and the Big Mystery
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Lord Krishna said : I shall reveal to you, who do not disbelieve, the most profound secret transcendental knowledge together with transcendental experience. Having known this you will be freed from the miseries of worldly existence. (9.01)
KNOWLEDGE OF THE NATURE OF SUPREME IS THE BIGGEST MYSTERY
This Self-knowledge is the king of all knowledge, is the most secret, is
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very sacred, it can be perceived by instinct, conforms to righteousness (Dharma), is very easy to practice, and is timeless. (9.02). O Arjuna, those who have no faith in this knowledge do not attain Me, and follow the cycles of birth and death. (9.03)
This entire universe is an expansion of Mine. All beings depend on Me (like a chain depends on gold, and the milk products depend on milk). I do not depend on ¾ or affected by ¾ them; because I am the highest of all. (See also 7.12) (9.04)
Look at the power of My divine mystery; in reality, I ¾ the sustainer and creator of all beings ¾ do not depend on them, and they also do not depend on Me. (In fact, the gold-chain does not depend on gold; the gold-chain is nothing but gold. Also, matter and energy are different as well as non-different). (9.05)
Perceive that all beings remain in Me — without any contact or without producing any effect — as the mighty wind, moving everywhere, eternally remains in space. (9.06)
THEORY OF EVOLUTION AND INVOLUTION
All beings merge into My primary material Nature at the end of a cycle of just over 311 trillion solar years, O Arjuna, and I create them again at the beginning of the next cycle. (See also 8.17) (9.07)
I create the entire multitude of beings again and again with the help of My material Nature. These beings are under control of the modes of material Nature. (9.08)
These acts of creation do not bind Me, O Arjuna, because I remain indifferent and unattached to those acts. (9.09)
The divine kinetic energy (Maya) ¾ with the help of material Nature ¾ creates all animate and inanimate objects under My supervision, and thus the creation keeps on going, O Arjuna. (See also 14.03) (9.10)
WAYS OF THE WISE, AND OF THE IGNORANT ARE DIFFERENT
The ignorant persons despise Me when I appear in human form, because they do not know My transcendental nature as the great Lord of all beings, and take Me for an ordinary human being. They are unable to recognize Me, because they have false hopes, false actions, and false knowledge; and possess delusive qualities of fiends and demons. (9.11-12)
But great souls, O Arjuna, who possess divine qualities (See 16.01-03) know Me as immutable; as the material and efficient cause of creation, and worship Me single-mindedly with loving devotion. (9.13)
Persons of firm resolve worship Me with ever-steadfast devotion by always singing My glories, striving to attain Me, and prostrating before Me with devotion. (9.14)
Some worship Me by acquiring the knowledge of God. Others worship the infinite as the One in all (or non-dual), as the master of all (or dual), and in various other ways. (9.15)
EVERYTHING IS A MANIFESTATION OF THE ABSOLUTE
I am the ritual, I am the sacrifice, I am the offering, I am the herb, I am the mantra, I am the clarified butter, I am the fire, and I am the oblation. (See also 4.24). I am the supporter of the universe, the father, the mother, and the grandfather. I am the object of knowledge, the sacred syllable OM, and the Vedas. I am the goal, the supporter, the Lord, the witness, the abode, the refuge, the friend, the origin, the dissolution, the foundation, the substratum, and the immutable seed. (See also 7.10 and 10.39) (9.16-18)
I give heat, I send as well as withhold the rain. I am immortality as well as death, I am also both the eternal Absolute and the temporal, O Arjuna. (The Supreme Being has become everything, See also 13.12) (9.19)
ATTAIN SALVATION BY DEVOTIONAL LOVE
The doers of the rituals prescribed in the Vedas, the drinkers of the nectar of devotion, and whose sins are cleansed, worship Me by doing good deeds for gaining heaven. As a result of their meritorious deeds they go to heaven and enjoy celestial sense pleasures. (9.20)
They return to the mortal world ¾ after enjoying the wide world of heavenly pleasures ¾ upon exhaustion of the fruits of their good Karma. Thus following the injunctions of the Vedas, persons working for the fruit of their actions take repeated birth and death. (See also 8.25) (9.21)
I personally take care of both spiritual and material welfare of those ever-steadfast devotees who always remember and adore Me with single-minded contemplation. (9.22)
O Arjuna, even those devotees who worship the deities with faith, they also worship Me, but in an improper way. (9.23)
Because I, the Supreme Being, alone am the enjoyer of all sacrificial services, and Lord of the universe. But people do not know My true transcendental nature. Therefore, they fall into the repeated cycles of birth and death. (9.24)
Worshippers of the celestial controllers go to the celestial controllers, the worshippers of the ancestors go to the ancestors, and the worshippers of the ghosts go to the ghosts, but My devotees come to Me, and are not born again. (See also 8.16) (9.25)
LORD ACCEPTS AND EATS THE OFFERING OF LOVE AND DEVOTION
Whosoever offers Me a leaf, a flower, a fruit, or water with devotion; I accept and eat the offering of devotion by the pure-hearted. (9.26)
O Arjuna, whatever you do, whatever you eat, whatever you offer as oblation to the sacred fire, whatever charity you give, whatever austerity you perform, do all that as an offering unto Me. (See also 12.10, 18.46) (9.27)
You shall become free from the bondage ¾ good and bad ¾ of Karma and come to Me by this attitude of complete renunciation. (9.28)
The Self is present equally in all beings. There is no one hateful or dear to Me. But, those who worship Me with love and devotion are very close to Me, and I am also very close to them. (See also 7.18) (9.29)
THERE IS NO UNFORGIVABLE SINNER
Even if the most sinful person resolves to worship Me with single-minded loving devotion, such a person must be regarded as a saint because of making the right resolution. (9.30)
Such a person soon becomes righteous and attains everlasting peace. Be aware, O Arjuna, that My devotee shall never perish or fall down. (9.31)
PATH OF DEVOTIONAL LOVE IS EASIER
Anybody can attain the Supreme Abode by just surrendering unto My will with loving devotion, O Arjuna. (See also 18.66) (9.32)
Then, it should be very easy for the wise and devout sages to attain the Supreme Being. Therefore, having obtained this joyless and transitory human life, one should always worship Me with loving devotion. (9.33)
Always think of Me, be devoted to Me, worship Me, and bow down to Me. Thus uniting yourself with Me by setting Me as the supreme goal and the sole refuge, you shall certainly come to Me. (9.34)
 
Ritu ji, Rajesh Khanna aur Mumtaaz ki ek movie thi....jiske ek gaane mei RK kahtaa hai ki is Paapin ko wo pahla pather mare jis na paap na kiya ho..........
Mere khyaal se to aaj ki duniya mei shayad he koi aissa ho jisne paap na kiya ho.....Agar wo mahan purash mil jaye to mujhe jaroor batana
 
malikraj007 said:
asal me paap vo hota hai jissy kisi dusre ko dukh pahuche, otherwise...is duniya me kuch be paap nahi...
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Paap

ये हमारी संस्कृति, आत्मीयता ही हे ! जो हम पाप व पुण्य का मनन कर रहे हे! इन्द्रियों की इच्छा पाप को जनम देती है ! किसी भी पाप का परिणाम तुंरत नही मिलता यदि मिले तो कोई पाप ही न करे ! जीवन में दुःख मुसीबतें आने पर पाप कटता हे जीवन में पुण्य कर्म का फल सुख होता हे, और पाप कर्म का फल दुःख होता हे ! संसार मै कुछ भी असत्य नही हे केवल सत्य का आभाव ही असत्य हे ! पुण्य से दिव्यता बदती हे और पाप से दिव्यता कम होती हे !जिस कर्म से भय उत्त्पन्न हो वेह पाप हे Jai Jat:rock
 
ritu said:
punay to shyad hum sabko pata hi hai kya hota hai..jab hum bina kissi swarth ke kisi ki bhalai ke liyye kuch accha kartae hai.
par paap ki itni saari definition hai......keedi ko maarne se paap lagega...jhuth bolne se paap lagega...
to paap ki sabki alag alag definition hai.
bachpan me me ek serial dekhti thi shanti osme maine paap ki ye definition suni thi aur tab se me issi par amal karne ki koshish karti hu......paap vo har cheez hai jo ki agar aapke swayam ke saath agar ho to galat hai ...ye jante hue bhi agar aap vahi cheez dusre ke saath karte ho to vo paap hai
aap sab buddhijiyo ke nazariye me paap kya hai janana chahugii
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Amid this paap and punya discussions can I ask another question which I have been discussing with a few friends off late that :

1. What is the function that quanitifies us ? Whats the function that we should aim in life.

Let me elaborate a bit. We all know we wil be living for lets say 70 years on an average! So what should we do in those 70 years , specially after the 20s where you do have the mind to support you.

What should be the ultimate goal of all human endeavours ? :)


By the way , my question is pretty relevant to the topic because if we can quanity such a function , anything that is in consonance with the defined function is "punya" and outliers are "paap" ! Isnt it ?
 
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ritu said:
punay to shyad hum sabko pata hi hai kya hota hai..jab hum bina kissi swarth ke kisi ki bhalai ke liyye kuch accha kartae hai.
par paap ki itni saari definition hai......keedi ko maarne se paap lagega...jhuth bolne se paap lagega...
to paap ki sabki alag alag definition hai.
bachpan me me ek serial dekhti thi shanti osme maine paap ki ye definition suni thi aur tab se me issi par amal karne ki koshish karti hu......paap vo har cheez hai jo ki agar aapke swayam ke saath agar ho to galat hai ...ye jante hue bhi agar aap vahi cheez dusre ke saath karte ho to vo paap hai
aap sab buddhijiyo ke nazariye me paap kya hai janana chahugii
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ऋतू जी पाप और पुण्य को जान ने के लिए बहुत ही ऋषि और मह ऋषि निकले..
पर इसी चक्कर में वो कई पाप भी कर बैठे और पुण्य भी . उनको कुछ आधा अधुरा पता भी
चला . पर हमारा नजरिया उस आधे ज्ञान को भी नही समझ सका .
और हम पाप कर के हरिद्वार नहा कर या मन्दिर जा कर सोच लेते है की पाप धुल गया .
और गाय को या गरीबो को रोटी खिला कर या कोई मन्दिर या धरमशाला बनवा कर
सोच लेते है की हमने बहुत सारा पुण्य कमा लिया और स्वर्ग में हमारी जगह पक्की .
ख़ुद चंदरमा ने भी गोतम ऋषि के घर जा कर पाप किया था .
ख़ुद पार्वती जी ने भी बिना शंकर जी से पूछे बिना बुलाये अपने पिता के घर जाकर पाप किया था
रावण ने सीता जी को उठाकर पाप किया था .
और बाद में राम जी ने उनको घर से निकाल कर पाप किया था .
इसलिए पाप और पुण्य की कोई सीमा नही है और कोई परिभाषा नही है .
इसलिए '; हे देवी " इस पाप और पुण्य के चक्कर में नै पड़ के करम किए जा .
तथास्तु
 
kisi bhi aatma ko satana paap hai.....aatma chahe meri khud ki ho ya kisi aur ki

and the funniest reply in the context is of Satyeshwar's.....very simple and truely from heart....:D
 
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