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rajivsp said:
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Is Chengis-Khan : Man of the millenium a paapi or the only undefeated warrior in history? How many persons suffered because of him?
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He was not the only one who went undefeated. Alexander the great , Tamerlane went undefeated too. There are millions of people in the world today who are descended from Chengiz khan.
 
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true Alexander the great was never defeated in battle-fields and in the fight with Poras, he captured him. But this was the end of his campaign to win the world and he had to return back.

Same with Timur the lame who wanted to restore mongol empire in china, and he started military campaigns against Ming Dynasty of china, but died in between due to fever and plague.
I heard he was also defeated by Jats, please ref.
http://www.jatland.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-621.html

But in the case of Chengis-Khan - His all military campaigns were successful. And in my opinion he is the ONLY one in History- Military Leader of such kind.
 
Atma duka-dard ke pare hai. so isko koi nahi sata sakta.

Duties of a man - very confusing topic. Better go and refer The Gospel Of Sri Rama Krishana, A complete chapter is there on this topic.
 
Paap ki baat hai to mai sahi se samjhata hoon. Ek baar Shiv-parvati kailash se prathvi ko dekh rahe the parvati ma ne dekha ek manyush(human) ne kai ants ko legs se picha diya maar diya. To is par parvati shiv se boli is insaan ne paap kiya hai ants ko maar ke. Shiv ji bole nahi usne paap nahi kiya. Ye paap tumne kiya hai ye paap tumhe lagega because tumne use(ant) marte hue dekha lekin use bachane ki koshish nahi ki.
Is this right reply.
 
rajivsp said:
Atma duka-dard ke pare hai. so isko koi nahi sata sakta.
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this also very confusing.....agar aatma dukh-dard se pare hai to hum kuchh bhi feel kaise karte hain :confused:....aur fir shareer tyaagne ke baad insaan ki tehrveen kyun karte hain (shayad aatma ki shanti ke liye hi kiya jata hai ye sab)
 
Shobhit said:
Paap ki baat hai to mai sahi se samjhata hoon. Ek baar Shiv-parvati kailash se prathvi ko dekh rahe the parvati ma ne dekha ek manyush(human) ne kai ants ko legs se picha diya maar diya. To is par parvati shiv se boli is insaan ne paap kiya hai ants ko maar ke. Shiv ji bole nahi usne paap nahi kiya. Ye paap tumne kiya hai ye paap tumhe lagega because tumne use(ant) marte hue dekha lekin use bachane ki koshish nahi ki.
Is this right reply.
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little story but interesting :)....anjaane se ki gayi galti paap nahin kahlati.....aur jo dekh raha hai uska farz banta hai ki atleast ek baar to galti karne waale ko roke...baaki fir agle ki marzi
 
jogindersejwal said:
Karm kiye ja fal ki ichcha na kar (shree mad bhagwat Gita)
that is duty for human ......................
Jai Jat:rock
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How innocent we Indians are specially Jats, after seeing GITA SAR calendar hanging on every Parchuni shop we used to become gyani and start preaching on Gita. Whereas all Jagat Guru from Shankrachrya till Vallabhacharya are confused what is there in Gita. Read Bhashya on Gita written by those masters there is no similarities.

Actually karm, akarm, vikarm all explained by Lord Krishna in Chapter 4, but again Arjun is confused and asking Kim Tad Brahm, Kim Adhyatam Kim Karm Purshottam in Chapter 8 of SrimadbhagvadGita.

What is Karm only a few persons know............

choudharyneelam said:
this also very confusing.........
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Of course its very very confusing its not physics chemistry mathematics it is adhyatm.

choudharyneelam said:
agar aatma dukh-dard se pare hai to hum kuchh bhi feel kaise karte hain :confused:....
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Because our mind is attached to our body or Mayic( Made of Maya) things otherwise after SALVATION there is no duka-dard only anand.

Actually the same aatma I have what you have or anybody else has whether its dog or ant or any insect, but if you are suffering I am not aware of it why........?

Its very very confusing please refer Gita...........


choudharyneelam said:
aur fir shareer tyaagne ke baad insaan ki tehrveen kyun karte hain (shayad aatma ki shanti ke liye hi kiya jata hai ye sab)
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in the words of Swami dayanand Saraswati THIS IS POPE LEELA. Read Satyarth Prakash or Sanskar Vidhi by swami Dayanand Saraswati.
 
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paap dar ka dushra naam hain. bachpan se hamare dilo dimag me iss paap naam ka dar baithha diya jatta hain ki ye mat karna paap hain , wo mat karna paap hain.
 
rajivsp said:
How innocent we Indians are specially Jats, after seeing GITA SAR calendar hanging on every Parchuni shop we used to become gyani and start preaching on Gita. Whereas all Jagat Guru from Shankrachrya till Vallabhacharya are confused what is there in Gita. Read Bhashya on Gita written by those masters there is no similarities.

Actually karm, akarm, vikarm all explained by Lord Krishna in Chapter 4, but again Arjun is confused and asking Kim Tad Brahm, Kim Adhyatam Kim Karm Purshottam in Chapter 8 of SrimadbhagvadGita.

What is Karm only a few persons know............

Read Satyarth Prakash or Sanskar Vidhi by swami Dayanand Saraswati.
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i would surely take-out some time for such readings....wanna explore more and have better understanding of the same :)
 
Sure go ahead, but before start reading Gita put your brain aside otherwise you will see the reflection of what is there in your brain.

Same problem was with Shankar he saw Adwait in Gita
Ramanuja saw Dwait in Gita

Karmyogi used to see KarmYog in Gita

Gyani - gyan
Bhakt - Bhakti

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only 18 chapters 700 shlokas still very difficult to understand.

Oppenheimer - father of atom bomb used to read Sanskrit and after
testing atom bomb, Oppenheimer famously recalled the gita "If the radiance of a thousand suns were to burst at once into the sky, that would be like the splendor of the mighty one. Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."
 
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you said it very rt....to put ones brain aside before reading gita.
for example most of the times we justify a lie by keeping in mind krishna ji s quote ki...acche kam ke liye bola gya jhutth jhutth nahi hota.
rajivsp said:
Sure go ahead, but before start reading Gita put your brain aside otherwise you will see the reflection of what is there in your brain.

Same problem was with Shankar he saw Adwait in Gita
Ramanuja saw Dwait in Gita

Karmyogi used to see KarmYog in Gita

Gyani - gyan
Bhakt - Bhakti

............

only 18 chapters 700 shlokas still very difficult to understand.

Oppenheimer - father of atom bomb used to read Sanskrit and after
testing atom bomb, Oppenheimer famously recalled the gita "If the radiance of a thousand suns were to burst at once into the sky, that would be like the splendor of the mighty one. Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."
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kya kisi bhikhari ko bhek dena punya haimujhe to lagta hai ye sabse bada paap hai to ye koi jaruri nahi ki hum bina swarth jo bhi kisi or ki bhalai ke liye karte hia wo punya hai ho sakta hia uss kaam se kisi or ka usse bhi jyada bura ho raha hai

mere hisaab se to sabse bada punya hai apne mann ko control karna or uski ichhao ke peeche na jaana
pr sabse bada paap hai apne mann ke control me ho jaana or uski ichhao ke peeche jaana

but unfortunately hum ye paap hum sab karte hai :)






ritu said:
punay to shyad hum sabko pata hi hai kya hota hai..jab hum bina kissi swarth ke kisi ki bhalai ke liyye kuch accha kartae hai.
par paap ki itni saari definition hai......keedi ko maarne se paap lagega...jhuth bolne se paap lagega...
to paap ki sabki alag alag definition hai.
bachpan me me ek serial dekhti thi shanti osme maine paap ki ye definition suni thi aur tab se me issi par amal karne ki koshish karti hu......paap vo har cheez hai jo ki agar aapke swayam ke saath agar ho to galat hai ...ye jante hue bhi agar aap vahi cheez dusre ke saath karte ho to vo paap hai
aap sab buddhijiyo ke nazariye me paap kya hai janana chahugii
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suneet_rana said:
sabse bada paap hai apne mann ke control me ho jaana or uski ichhao ke peeche jaana

but unfortunately hum ye paap hum sab karte hai :)
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ye to pata nahin kitna bada paap hai.....lekin i don't fall under this category....mujhmein sanyam baaki hai.....mann ke saath saath nahin bahti.....mere jaise aur bhi kai honge....issliye sab log nahin aate iss group mein :)
 
paap karne se to na bhagwan ram bach paye na hi krishna

akhir hum sab to insaan hai



choudharyneelam said:
ye to pata nahin kitna bada paap hai.....lekin i don't fall under this category....mujhmein sanyam baaki hai.....mann ke saath saath nahin bahti.....mere jaise aur bhi kai honge....issliye sab log nahin aate iss group mein :)
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