Poverty of Soul

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Poverty of Soul — Complete Self-giving, Self-emptying love without regard for oneself — Why this is the only valid path of austere n pure love?

Share your precious n enligtening views on the never-ending question---What's the nature of real love ?
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in my opinion true and real love is one which develops from infatuation. because in that one doesn't get to think of compatbility and others things. infatuation is instant and i personally believe most instant things are pure as a spontaneous thought. compatibilty and other adjusment things are merely other names given to convenience in a relation.

in infatutaion one doesn't think of pros and cons and hence it's real and pure.

but then infatuation can cost one heavily since it doesn't give one security at first. infatuation might not live long and the well thought relation might live forever. but then what dies is real and what doesn't die is unreal, you know the living and non-living difference. but such real love might give you wings but those wings will have wamth along with pinch of pinions
 
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Poverty of Soul — Complete Self-giving, Self-emptying love without regard for oneself — Why this is the only valid path of austere n pure love?
I read this statement somewhere, and it made me think about the power of love. Here's my interpretation of the statement emphasizing on the meaning of poverty of soul.

Can two people love equally ? Is it possible for two people to feel for each other with equal intensity?
Lovers may lie to each other and get into stupid arguments like, 'I love you more' or 'I miss you more' . In life, the relative reality and equation between lovers is as - when two people are in love, one person will love the other more...and the one who loves less controls the relationship. That unfortunately is the starge fact of life. In all other spheres of life, you get more for when you give more.... you work more, you might get paid more.... you study more, you get better grades...and so more.

But you love more and you loose control of the relationship. The one who loves more will want the relationship more and will do more to keep it going...and sacrifice more in the bargain...bear more insults...are hurt more and even compromise more. One keeps on emptying oneself,,, giving oneself to the other to the ultimate. And the more you give, the less you get in return.

I say this is the poverty of soul... that we keep begging for the love, without any regard for the self. Why love makes one so weak ? The day you will renounce your beggage bowl and with it the capacity to be broken, you will be empty of guilt, of danger, of helplessness, even of compassion.

Some say love is pure, selfless, and undemanding. Expect nothing in return. No scope for any deception, greed, blame or blemish. "Niswarth Nishchhal Nirvikaar Prem". This kind of love is not poverty of soul but enriching and empowering purity of soul.

I would say this kinda love exists only in literature,, not in real practical life. No love is without expectations. How so pure n unexpecting your love may be,,,,,,But how long you can love someone n keep pouring everything, if you dont get any in return....???

They say love is the strength...but only if there's a balance...both the loves love on an average scale. Both need space, both need to stay away a bit, both feel suffocated with too much of love. (which is rare) . But if one person in the relationship feels that way and the other feels he/she loves more, wants the relationship more, wants more permanancy,,,,,then the real problem starts. We become helpless. We have no control over our own senses, our own emotions. Love or the demand of love makes us vulnerable. We are ready to do anything to get love. Like a begger, begging for the love from the person we love. And here we loose the control over the relationship and become a puppet in the hands of the person we love.

But when in love, we can not do much about this. It's not in our power to love more or less. We just love as we know how to. But the next time we are hurt, we compromise and bear the insult of being not loved the way we love,,,, bear it with a smile and remember the equation. It's not the power of our lover over us, it's the power of our love that makes us weak.

P.S. Those who have ever loved and felt helpless at times, just being at the mercy of the one whom they loved, will definitely understand it.
 
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love

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22202&highlight=love
Love of Jatland- soul ko rich banata hae
ak love jatland ka bhi hae
jo logo ki nind haram karta hae
jisko pane ko soul-Atma bhatkti rahti hae
love ka ras raat- deen tapakta rahta hae
aur poor soul uski bund- bund ky liye
nam badal kar aur vina nam ke ate rahti hae
love ky ras day-night tapakta rahta hae.
Kitni hi soul- love ky nashe mae mast rahti han
try and feel this is true love of life
 
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all of us have some sort of description of what the love is all about. Let me attempt to put my version ;

" Like eight notes in music, we human being have these basic traits of Kam Krodth, lobh, moh, irsha..etc. Like skillful mixing of notes produces the music, same applies to the mixing of human traits in right amount. Like playing music , it needs lots of training to mix hum traits as well. Love between two persons is a coninuous play of human traits. One has to be extremely smart to play it well all the time. When we talk of love between two persons, it becomes a very complex issue. Both of them should be either naturally alike ( very rare indeed) or both must know how to play human traits in "Jugalbandi" to last it forever. There is one more possibily I can think. Its not necessary that both have to be equally skillful. If one is extremely skilful and another is just natural ( not manupulative), things work equally well. Volmes have been written on love because permutations and combinations of human traits is almost infinite.

Infatuation is intoxicating indeed, but unfortunately does not last long in most of the cases. However, it leaves behind some strong experince to learn and explore the deeper meaning of love or for that matter any other human emotion. Unfortunately not all people undergo through infatuation in their life. Like one needs good ears for music, one needs a very sensitive heart for love and a strong brain to identify different levels of human traits to mix them in right amounts. Like everyone can not be a musician, everyone can not be a great lover. In my view this the art of love."

RK^2
 
neels said:
It reminds me one of of Oscar Wilde's quote -
"They spoil every romance by trying to make it last forever".
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It all depends on the mood and what one has gone through, when one writes something like this. Romance is like looking at a beautiful hill. Unfortunately one does not stop just at looking. Real trouble starts when one starts climbing. Lot many start having hard breath just in first 100 steps and either give up or ask for horse ride. Its only the harder ones who cross this barier and then start enjoying the climb. Those who make it to the top have the wholesome view of everything...Mind you its really worth all the troubles...

RK^2
 
rkumar said:
It all depends on the mood and what one has gone through, when one writes something like this. Romance is like looking at a beautiful hill. Unfortunately one does not stop just at looking. Real trouble starts when one starts climbing. Lot many start having hard breath just in first 100 steps and either give up or ask for horse ride. Its only the harder ones who cross this barier and then start enjoying the climb. Those who make it to the top have the wholesome view of everything...Mind you its really worth all the troubles...

RK^2
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Very well explained Sir :).
I agree its worth all the troubles.
 
neels said:
Poverty of Soul — Complete Self-giving, Self-emptying love without regard for oneself — Why this is the only valid path of austere n pure love?

Share your precious n enligtening views on the never-ending question---What's the nature of real love ?
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The more you love is the more you hate; All dualities of love/ hate; good/evil happiness/ sadness etc are very western concepts based on duality. To go beyond love and hate and to transcend all dualities is the ethos of the Gita.As the gita says the wise man is sad only once at the time of the sad event later he realise the ephermal nature of everything and transcends his sadness.

To understand what the soul is very important. It is the only thing that is chetan or pure consciousness all other things including the mind are jard or material. You cannot define soul because it is only a feeling. Words cannot explain it because words are limited in time and space. Similarly love cannot be defined because it is only a feeling of harmony and being at peace with the self.
 
pscil said:
The more you love is the more you hate; All dualities of love/ hate; good/evil happiness/ sadness etc are very western concepts based on duality. To go beyond love and hate and to transcend all dualities is the ethos of the Gita.As the gita says the wise man is sad only once at the time of the sad event later he realise the ephermal nature of everything and transcends his sadness.

To understand what the soul is very important. It is the only thing that is chetan or pure consciousness all other things including the mind are jard or material. You cannot define soul because it is only a feeling. Words cannot explain it because words are limited in time and space. Similarly love cannot be defined because it is only a feeling of harmony and being at peace with the self.
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Very true.People make mockery of this word.
 
pscil said:
Love with yourself is the begining of an endless romance- Oscar wilde
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Depending upon the state of mind, one will give all sorts of names to love. Above statement by Oscar Wilde is nothing but one of them. Anyone who either fails in love with someone or incapable of reaching to someone whom he or she loves, will come with this sort of solutions. Loving oneself is the best one can do under such circumstances. As I have mentioned somewhere on Jatland, brain is a slave organ and will find solutions for all sorts of failures. In my view this statement on love by Oscar Wilde is nothing more than accepting failure.

RK^2
 
rkumar said:
Depending upon the state of mind, one will give all sorts of names to love. Above statement by Oscar Wilde is nothing but one of them. Anyone who either fails in love with someone or incapable of reaching to someone whom he or she loves, will come with this sort of solutions. Loving oneself is the best one can do under such circumstances. As I have mentioned somewhere on Jatland, brain is a slave organ and will find solutions for all sorts of failures. In my view this statement on love by Oscar Wilde is nothing more than accepting failure.

RK^2
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Science is crude and life is subtle, you need literature to bridge tha gap between science and life. Happy reading:eek:
 
IF ONE IS NOT IN LOVE WITH SELF...IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO EVEN IMAGINE LOVING SOME ONE ELSE.IT STARTS FROM THE CONSCIENCE From deep with in.......Human brain is incapable of defying the basics of heart related ingradients.
 
neels said:
Wont it be the most selfish form of love then...?
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A man incapable of loving himself cannot love anyone else. Love is the coming together of two complete individuals, who are at peace with themselves. The self is the closet thing to dharam that I can think of in the english language.
 
pscil said:
A man incapable of loving himself cannot love anyone else. Love is the coming together of two complete individuals, who are at peace with themselves. The self is the closet thing to dharam that I can think of in the english language.
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Rarely I have come across a person who does not love himself or herself. Those who hate themselves, either hang or get reformed till they love themselves. Lovingoneself can be called illuson or mirror gazing also. Real test of a person is in loving others I suppose.

RK^2
 
LOVING ONE SELF MEANS UNDERSTANDING ONE SELF FROM DEEP WITH IN and to understand the very purpose of being around. This awareness comes with efforts,pains and true quality education.It is not every body's cup of tea.
 
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