r u proad to be indian

[lucky]

this title may sound stupied but i had an experince which boiled my blood like any thing. i am studying in a film school in canada. there are lot of departments. well i am in 2d animation and in 3d animation or CGI department there is one indian female instructor/ teacher. she is in canada for only 5 years. for me 5 years are not long for forget yr own mother land. she meets indian students never smiles back never shows affection tht we are indians and from her country. as there are mexicon instructors and korean they talk to there country students in there own language and help them also.
she is only indian instructor. from here talks she does not like any thing about india. in 5 years she has become canadian. she hates every thing about india.
i have seen some people like these. and it boils my blood
so tell me yr experices if u hve seen people like thses and wht u feel about them.

 

[bharatrattan]

proud or not

Dear Shagun,
It is best to ignore people like your instructor. There are certain aspect of my self, for which the credit goes to (if there is any credit) chance factors. My identity is one such complex thing. I find myself lucky to be an Indian. I enjoy our cultural heritage. This is only possible if I am prosperous enough to understand Indian culture. Much of which is mass hysteria, an act of imitation, which has been followed for ages to the extent of being preposterous.

If I were to choose a country of my choice, I would certainly miss the great Indian heritage, but still opt for ( at the conscious stage of decision) the western word.
Much of our woes are because of the difficulty to adapt in a different cultural setup. Otherwise for people born in US, things are absolutely fine.
It is difficult to comment about the final word which would define choices as black-and -white, but if India has certain good things; America does not have to be an absolute evil. Likewise, If US is good about the innovative aspect, India is not a total failure.
They can co-exist as mixed failures and mixed successes, but the odds would most definitely favor the western word.
Bharat
( sorry for digressing from the issue topic)

 

[rkumar]

Dear Shagun,

She is not the only one. Majority of Desies are like that. I also raised the similar issue on Jatland last year when I moved over to UK. Smile is not something which we Indians are gifted on our face it seems. I have lots of Desies here and trust me, they are no better.. Only place where they mix well, are in universities.

RK^2

 

[spdeshwal]

Rajenderji,
I disagree with you. May be what we have in Auckland, New Zealand different.
The caegory of Indians Shagun has mentioned are certainly in Minority.
I know one very senior faculty in Massey University , Wellington who goes to office often dressed in North Indian attire.

You should be here to witness Diwali or Independence day! And believe me , most heartening feature of these events is the participation of young people.
Another wonderfull thing about Auckland indian society is pesense of elders( parents and grandparents). New Zealand Govt. has most friendly policy for parents. I mean, it is easy as well as takes very little time for parents to get residency.
Auckland is Small city for International standards( 14 lacs population), has two AM Hindi Radio Stations with 24 hrs tranmission. Both are connected to net.I am giving you the link and you can enjoy hindi music while working in office
www.tarana.co.nz
www.apna990am.com

Proodest movement for me is going for a walk with my wife dressed in Salwar-kamij and in dress in kurta pyjama. That is how the natives, may of europeans,maoriesor pacific islands origins respect you most. They respect us Indians for our great culture and family values we remain adhere to.
Although, othercategory of Desies are aslo live here but in small no.
I wish, same is case in other parts of the world

 

[spdeshwal]

Aur Dr sahab jis catgory ka aap ne aur Sagunji ne jikar kiya hae unki kya India me kami hae? You go to any such campus and witness these incidents fequently.

I want to share a little but true story with you.
This Radio Tarana I have mentioned have got Daily program for Birthday Greetings and some times while airing this program they contact the relatives of the person any where in the world and talk to them on air.

One such evening the presenper of the program contacted in Amritsar the sister of the lady who was celebrating her birthday in Auckland.

The presenter was talking in hindi and the lady from Amritsar was replying in English. Then the presenter perhaps realised that he was talking to someone in Punjab and try to converse in Tuti Phuti Punjabi. But to my surprise the lady kept talking in English.

Aur Dur jane ki jarurat nahi, kuchh log Jatland per bhi mojud hnai.
So exceptions are every where.

 

[lucky]

Dear Shagun,
It is best to ignore people like your instructor. There are certain aspect of my self, for which the credit goes to (if there is any credit) chance factors. My identity is one such complex thing. I find myself lucky to be an Indian. I enjoy our cultural heritage. This is only possible if I am prosperous enough to understand Indian culture. Much of which is mass hysteria, an act of imitation, which has been followed for ages to the extent of being preposterous.

If I were to choose a country of my choice, I would certainly miss the great Indian heritage, but still opt for ( at the conscious stage of decision) the western word.
Much of our woes are because of the difficulty to adapt in a different cultural setup. Otherwise for people born in US, things are absolutely fine.
It is difficult to comment about the final word which would define choices as black-and -white, but if India has certain good things; America does not have to be an absolute evil. Likewise, If US is good about the innovative aspect, India is not a total failure.
They can co-exist as mixed failures and mixed successes, but the odds would most definitely favor the western word.
Bharat
( sorry for digressing from the issue topic)

well i think u went total of the track. my instructor is not born in canada
she is 35 and in age of 30 she came to canada. if she would have come to canada at age of 10 i would have undertsand. but ya in age of 30 u know which thing to adopt or not. i have no harm in accepting canadian culture becoz it is diffrent but ya being born and brought up in india and then u come abroad and crisise the country where u lived for 30 years is bull **** for me. becoz every country has good and bad points. if u r not at prensnt liveing abroad then i think u cannot understand wht i am telling

 

[lucky]

i know they are in minorty

Rajenderji,
I disagree with you. May be what we have in Auckland, New Zealand different.
The caegory of Indians Shagun has mentioned are certainly in Minority.
I know one very senior faculty in Massey University , Wellington who goes to office often dressed in North Indian attire.

You should be here to witness Diwali or Independence day! And believe me , most heartening feature of these events is the participation of young people.
Another wonderfull thing about Auckland indian society is pesense of elders( parents and grandparents). New Zealand Govt. has most friendly policy for parents. I mean, it is easy as well as takes very little time for parents to get residency.
Auckland is Small city for International standards( 14 lacs population), has two AM Hindi Radio Stations with 24 hrs tranmission. Both are connected to net.I am giving you the link and you can enjoy hindi music while working in office
www.tarana.co.nz
www.apna990am.com

Proodest movement for me is going for a walk with my wife dressed in Salwar-kamij and in dress in kurta pyjama. That is how the natives, may of europeans,maoriesor pacific islands origins respect you most. They respect us Indians for our great culture and family values we remain adhere to.
Although, othercategory of Desies are aslo live here but in small no.
I wish, same is case in other parts of the world

y come to vancouver and u would see every one wearing suits. but i am deicuing the minority. y r these people ashamed and for wht. and ya i have been to england and it is bad. indians there try thier best to be britisher than indians. and even not very much help. but in canada in vancouver i wear suit every time. it is like clean india.
but then also y educated indias act like nurds here

 

[spdeshwal]

I agree with you, and i have said in my post thar there are some exceptions.
Those exceptions are everywhere, in Vancuover, Montreal, LA, New york, Delhi, Bombay, Landon and Manchestor. There are thousands of members on this site who live in these cities around the globe but most of them are here, I mean on this site because they are not like the type you are talking about. Yes, exceptions are here as well, the ones who bring a vulgar topic here to proove that they are the only progressive thinkers and rest all are hypocrite backwards. So, if we keep bothering ourselves about this category of people whom you yourself agree are a small minority, they will gain stength. And we shouldn't allow that to happen. One such charactor on this site I am talking about was born and brought in Rohtak and claims to have moved to Noida and not to Britain or canada. And the lady I was talking about in my earlier post live in Amritsar and not in Auckland.

Cheers!

 

[sandeepphogat]

hello shagun and deshwal sahab
Both of u r absolutely right on u r way. we are here in australia also face same problem sometime but ultimately we are indian and we have always a softcorner for any indian in world. we are indian first and after that something else.
so i proud to be an indian.

 

[haryanajat]

this title may sound stupied but i had an experince which boiled my blood like any thing. i am studying in a film school in canada. there are lot of departments. well i am in 2d animation and in 3d animation or CGI department there is one indian female instructor/ teacher. she is in canada for only 5 years. for me 5 years are not long for forget yr own mother land. she meets indian students never smiles back never shows affection tht we are indians and from her country. as there are mexicon instructors and korean they talk to there country students in there own language and help them also.
she is only indian instructor. from here talks she does not like any thing about india. in 5 years she has become canadian. she hates every thing about india.
i have seen some people like these. and it boils my blood
so tell me yr experices if u hve seen people like thses and wht u feel about them.

That's kind of behavior is very common among Indians. Even among Indians who have been here for more then say 30 years. It does not matter which part of India they are from. I have seen Indians trying to avoid other Indians so many times that I cannot count now. They don't even say hello, will try to avoid you anywhere they come across you. There are many of them like that. There behavior changes in front of goras. Perhaps some sort of complex. But there are nice Indians too. May be your instructor is trying subconsciously to forget about India. Or there could be many reasons, may be she just has some personal problems she is trying to sort out. You cannot tell for sure by yourself.
Why unecessarily boil your blood?

 

[sjakhars]

This type of people you can find in India too.
They always talk about western world and criticise every Indian thing.
so dont worry about them b'coz India is not depend on them and even India do'nt need them.
India is India b'coz of Indians not these kind of people.

I proud to be an Indian.

Regards.

 

[rkumar]

This type of people you can find in India too.
They always talk about western world and criticise every Indian thing.
so dont worry about them b'coz India is not depend on them and even India do'nt need them.
India is India b'coz of Indians not these kind of people.

I proud to be an Indian.

Regards.

Fully agree with you Sitaram Ji. Ye sab dogle log hote hain and they are good for nothing except for themselves. Let us not worry about such characters..

RK^2

 

[lucky]

thanks

thanks for yr respone to this post. and ya every one is true there are people in india who critize thier own country. but ya i am happy to see the reponse and to know tht is is not me alone saw characters like this

 

[priti]

Shagun, Sab jagah sab tarah ke log milte hain....koi categorisation nahin kar sakte. The nice people i know come from all backgrounds -british, indians, columbians, canadians, mixed backgrounds and so on ....similarly not so nice people also come from all backgrounds.

But, I agree that Indians in general are hesitant people in familiarising too much at first instance unlike greeks, italians, spanish....

Sometimes, some people are genuinely shy and maybe its a good idea to give them time to overcome that...you could judge that from her behaviour with other people who are not Indians.

On the whole I do think Indians are not slap on the back-meeting first time-where you're from type......

but if you think of it....a smile really costs nothing!

 

[shwetashokeen]

I know some people who are like this only.....One of my friends went to India for a month....When she came back here, I asked her abt her exp....what she told me was like this......"Oh it was horrible....so much pollution, so dirty, no light...and other things ...I will never go back there" and all.....

point to be noted : she came here only 2-3 years back...manne ya baat aaj taayin palle konya padi ke ise log aaj taain india me -e na pale bade sain...2 saal me ke unka blood configuration change ho gya ke un ne apna desh "suit" na karta eeb....Artificial, thats what they r....

 

[scotlandjat]

this title may sound stupied but i had an experince which boiled my blood like any thing. i am studying in a film school in canada. there are lot of departments. well i am in 2d animation and in 3d animation or CGI department there is one indian female instructor/ teacher. she is in canada for only 5 years. for me 5 years are not long for forget yr own mother land. she meets indian students never smiles back never shows affection tht we are indians and from her country. as there are mexicon instructors and korean they talk to there country students in there own language and help them also.
she is only indian instructor. from here talks she does not like any thing about india. in 5 years she has become canadian. she hates every thing about india.
i have seen some people like these. and it boils my blood
so tell me yr experices if u hve seen people like thses and wht u feel about them.

RAM RAM.

Hi,

Was just reading through your Thread.

First of what do you mean by " Are You Proud To Be Indian ". Being Indian to me is basically where my roots are BUT it is not my Nationality.

My Nationality is British since i am born and bred here in Scotland my Ethnic background in JAT/Punjabi BUT dont be fooled because my Nationality is not Indian that does not mean that i am not proud of my Hindustani roots. If anything i am VERY Proud of my Hindustani roots and more importantly i am a Proud JAT.

Now from my experience when i have went over to India i find the people for instance my aunty jis and Uncles jis etc etc they have this mentality that JATS born and bred in the U.K or outside of Hindustan dont have a clue about their roots. Though the funny thing was they were shocked and suprised to know that i knew alot about our History and Heritage.

Now dont get me wrong you will find JATS and Non JATS who are born and bred here in Europe or the Americas that do not have a single clue about their history or heritage and are completely clueless BUT thats people who all have their own Personalties and way of thinking.

Anyway hun dont worry too much about this other girl that works in your department am sure she will come round sooner or later.

Regards

 

[lucky]

hai

RAM RAM.

Hi,

Was just reading through your Thread.

First of what do you mean by " Are You Proud To Be Indian ". Being Indian to me is basically where my roots are BUT it is not my Nationality.

My Nationality is British since i am born and bred here in Scotland my Ethnic background in JAT/Punjabi BUT dont be fooled because my Nationality is not Indian that does not mean that i am not proud of my Hindustani roots. If anything i am VERY Proud of my Hindustani roots and more importantly i am a Proud JAT.

Now from my experience when i have went over to India i find the people for instance my aunty jis and Uncles jis etc etc they have this mentality that JATS born and bred in the U.K or outside of Hindustan dont have a clue about their roots. Though the funny thing was they were shocked and suprised to know that i knew alot about our History and Heritage.

Now dont get me wrong you will find JATS and Non JATS who are born and bred here in Europe or the Americas that do not have a single clue about their history or heritage and are completely clueless BUT thats people who all have their own Personalties and way of thinking.

Anyway hun dont worry too much about this other girl that works in your department am sure she will come round sooner or later.

Regards

u donot seem to be BBCD (british born confused dasi) cool donot take it seriouly i am just kidding. well thanks for yr reply.

 

[rajivshokeen]

Proud to be an Indian - Experience

Well, may be this will sound little off the prob. that Shagun have but my experience today perfectly goes well with the TOPIC.
It was India Day Parade today in New York and I went there for first time. Standing there , watching diverse Indian performances on wheels, I was enjoying everything. But all of sudden, I felt I am missing something....what was that?. Yes, it was an Indian flag. I looked here and there and I saw this uncle waving 2 flags. I approached him and asked one but he gave me a mean answer saying "Oh.. you can get it anywhere" (I was like how can someone say no for it......chhoo tae ghana aaya ). But within seconds he came back and said here you go boy. I accepted that with due respect.

That's it...as soon as I holded it, it gave me a chill, a feeling never encountered before (maybe it was my first time holding it), a feeling of holding it forever and take it to places and a sense of PROUD TO BE AN INDIAN.

Without taking much of your time, I thoroughly enjoyed my day and saw a lot more patriotic people who are keeping this spirit alive.
Atlast, I bring that flag back and is part of my room now.


Rajiv
Keep the Indian spirit alive!

 

[spdeshwal]

"That's it...as soon as I holded it, it gave me a chill, a feeling never encountered before (maybe it was my first time holding it), a feeling of holding it forever and take it to places and a sense of PROUD TO BE AN INDIAN."

RAJIV, YOU MADE MY EYES MOIST BOY!

 

[shailendra]

What is the premise of the thread?

Hi Shagun, how does you solitary experience inspire that very provoking title to the thread? Maybe you could have used a more appropriate title....

Anyways, do you think the Desi teacher was just another snob (or she was worried that tumhaara aur doosre Desiyon ka desipana might force her to make unwarranted concessions?)..I mean aren't we ourselves to blame for the way we are sometimes?
Like they say kae ek Indian ko India mein se bahar laa sakte ho per India ko ek Indian mein se nahee...
Just like that saying may mean all good patriotic things Indian, it also points out the inborn cynical and stick-in-the-mud nature of us Desi's too.
We are quick and judgemental about our fellow Indians, and while may take a snob attitude much easily from a crazy Foreigner but hell hath no fury be it another Desi who gives us the stiff upper lip! (and if it's our boss or Teacher...well, that's it!)

Anyways, I am not trying to be judgemental here (hell no! ) but I think you need to move on and let the snob rot in her own lil' world, a world that she is gonna find out quick enough is nothing but a figment of her imagination.... cause she is never gonna be anything but Indian however hard she tries, cause guess what, no one else will own her!

Which one of us has not experienced that cold shoulder more than once when some passing by on the street Desi has just looked thru us as if were some kind of a transparent hallucination!?!... (my own favourite remedy has been to call out loudly,"Haanji kya haal hai?"...only to see them scurry away with a half baked lopsided apology of an embarassed smile)

Chalo anyways, my point really is if it is really bothering you then try and be defiant directly instead when it comes to issues like this and maybe stand up to them in public (like within hearing distance of other students in this case)and politely offer your opinion on all things good that only can be Indian!!!...There can be nothing more embarassing to someone like that then be reminded that however hard they try that accent, or change their name to something ridiculously alien,....or scrub their skin with 'Super Rin'; they are and shall remain what they actually are!!!
Indian!...