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Bhai Jitu...he became railway minister because he was too close to Indira and Sanjay Gandhi. he was close associate in Emergency time.... Nahi to capabilities ke maamley mein k uss ne rail "bina Engine" k chala dee thee? :rock

Neele ...

1) I have never seen any minister at centre from haryana. He was there. It shows his capability.
2) We have seen that Ch. Devi Lal ne sara kunba jodya but cant take the PM oath because of lack of confidence but Ch Bansi Lal have that confidence.
3) Itna close tha jibbe to general ikatthey kare tha ....this shows that he was not under their tail. He had mind of his own and courage to implement.


Agar sirf capabilities pe hi sabb kuch hota hai toh kya aap ke hisaab se Pratheeba Patil se capable koi nahi tha iss India mein President khatir? Kalam bhi nahi?

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Badhra halke mein ek baar aaya tha jab CM tha bansi... bolya.. "Mein jaanu su thamm ne... bijli k bill menne bharwaane aawein sein..." .... Ghuddki maare tha... Loggan ne agle election mein isi tisi kar dee ... :D

Chautala pachle election te pahelyan Kiloi halke mein aya tha er nue bolya "Mere liye ye halka to dead hai" ..... pher Kiloi ne ke gat kari ... aap sab jante ho ... so what to say about this ... this is politics ... baad mein daura karya to kaha ki maine aisa to nahi kaha tha :) Er please put this thing forward who called for farmer not to pay bills?

Poochhadd ka leader tha... uske saarey MLA toh bikk gaye they...

MLA bikkan ka aaj tahi Haryane ke itihas mein record apne Ch. devi lala ji ka hai jab unhone tapasse ko thappad marya tha .... its politics dear nothing else ....

Uss k saraab-bandhi k tame mein Uska chhora Surender er Satpal Pahadi donu bhiwani mein laakh laakh rappiye le k parchi bannaya kartey ...Rajasthan tein Daaru lyaawann ka permit..... Er surender k character ka toh sabb ne bera e sei...!!

Bhai mere ... these things are with each politician in haryana .... can you spare chautala and his sons from this. Ch. Devi lal 3 baar harya rohtak se ... aur agar unka kudh ka dimag hota iske peechey to wo kabhi rohtak ki seat nahi chodte aur na unki aatma dukh pati ..... chore to sabke isse hein .. Ch. Devi Lal ji ke bare mein to yahan tak kaha gaya ki wo Dhritrastr ka role ada kar rahe they ... Still I respect him as he was a true person ... its not that I will rate him down because of his son. Character ki to aap bhi jante hoge unke bare mein jinka aapne aacha likha hai ... Rohtak mein hi kae hein :)

Toh bhai...yes, he was good administrator..no doubt and better than all Lals.....!! Lekin Leader??? Kis ka leader??

Bade bhai ....

1) Overall I feel that Ch. Bansi Lal was the nirmata of modern haryana by implementing and making haryana to be the first overall electrified state. Baggad ka Kisan aadmi jo tubewell lake kheti le hai wo usi ki den thi, business also .... warna itne corrupt shashan mein hum ye to man sakte hein ki fully electrification 20 sal aur nahi hua hota. Dont we feel to give him credit for this HUGE task?

2) I am not pretty sure what he did when he was railway minister but some elder member here can put forward. He must have done something or other.

You have pointed out Kapurthala factory ... I cant say ... it may be a rumour ... like CD thing for TIKAIT ... nobody knows ... but its sure that something wrong happened when he called off the andolan without any prior notification in one night. Also I have heard that he was hell bent to take electric trail to bhiwani and thats why it was not santioned till rohtak even.

3) His chunav chinh LADKA-LADKI has taken this message to each house of haryana and am sure it helped socially somewhere.

4) You yourself has told that he was a good administrator. I remember that during his times each employee used be on toes. But on the other hand he was too much harsh to get remote postings and thus employees have suffered.

Maine yahan tak suna hai ki jo kam karvane ki than leta tha wo ho hi jata tha .... he used to keep all files ready and thus development happened in his times.

5) I have seen Rohtak's development only in two rules ... one when bansi lal was there and second now. When bansilal was there he made Seth Shri kishan das sehri vikas mantri ... and Civil hospital jo jarjar halat mein tha wo bana .... cement ki sadke us time paheli baar dekhi gae thi rohtak mein shayad ....

So looking at the above things ... I still say that he was good for haryana. We cant simply blow out in words his efforts for development of haryana.

Ch. devi Lal was a different kind of person. He was a mass leader, true by heart, kisi ka bura na karne wala, straight forward, courageous, sada-bhola etc etc. But he was not having full knowledge of what to do and to whom should have faith upon. Logon ko ikattha karke jeet lane ki khsamta unmein thi lekin jeet kar CM banke sahi disha aur sahi kadam shayad wo unte confidence se nahi le pate they. Kheti ke liye .... bhudhon ke liye ... aise faisle unki achai ko sarshate hein. MLA unke bhi bhaj ge they ... VP ne unko dhokha diya ... aur phir Devi Lal ke behkave mein ane se ki Jaton ko bhi reservation de donga ... us time reservation ka andolan thanda pada .. warna shaayad kuch le gujarte .... badnami jo bhi hui wo unki bhi unke bete-poton ke karan hai ... mere khayal se unke upar personal arop koe nahi lagata ...

To me both Bansi Lal and Devi lal are at one level ... one being originator of modern haryana ... other being a true mass kind hearted leader.
 
Bhaiyo... I guess Dev Dahiya ji ne clearly likhna tha apne post mein ki he wants rating for "leaders" or "politicians" or both.

In my opinion, a leader is one in whom people have faith and who can lead people with examplary work and can raise their voice flawlessly and can represent them on bigger platforms.

As I said, Bansilal was never a leader but an autocrat...! same way, many others are just politicians but not leaders....!!!

So... lets rate them only on leadership skills..

Kaka - bata de ne ek be saaf saaf... ek yu taaga bandh karwawega? Mein nyu sochu tha ek yoh taaga MP aale electionaa tein chaalna chahiye... :rock
 
Mooh ghana na kholiye,,,,,kade saare UP ki maakhi khaa jyaaaaa:D hiiiiiiiiiiiiiii kilkiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

tu Pradhaan banaya kare ke:D,,,,,,,Tiket Baba ne issi Pardhaani na chaahiye,,,,,,,,,

Jat hi Jat ka asli dushman hai,,,,,,,Jat leader ke andar chaahe 10000 achhai ho,,,,,,lekin aapne aale to kisse ho ek duplicate ar va bhi kise ki man-gadhant kahani ne jod ke burai karan laag jyaa se,,,,,

isse ku ku ku karre se to tu ban jyaa ne leader,,,,,,,Tiket sahab jaise bahut kam insaan hote hain ,,,,,arr tere jisse to bera na kitne ho se:D


pher kahu su ke mooh ghana na kholiye,,,,,,,,,,,kurdi aali maakhi tayar haande se kilkaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
.:tamatar......bas dhara ro ghana muh mat na khulwawe.......issne to koi gaam ka pardhan bhi na banawe.......great leader ...huhhh!!:rolleyes:
 
Right to Opinion

Dear Sachin and Prashant,

Kindly don't derail the discussion. We all have our right to opinion. Our opinions are based on the information that we have about a subject and our analytical abilities. We are all different human beings. Some one sees the Glass Half full and some sees it Half empty.

So don't get involved in personal attacks. That is not good for any one. Remember "Criticism if hurts, it was well deserved".

Also you must be knowing well:

Nindak Niyre Rakhiye, Aangan Kuti Chavai
Bin Sabun pani bina, Nirmal Kare Suhai.
 
Bhaiyo... I guess Dev Dahiya ji ne clearly likhna tha apne post mein ki he wants rating for "leaders" or "politicians" or both.

In my opinion, a leader is one in whom people have faith and who can lead people with examplary work and can raise their voice flawlessly and can represent them on bigger platforms.

As I said, Bansilal was never a leader but an autocrat...! same way, many others are just politicians but not leaders....!!!

So... lets rate them only on leadership skills..

Kaka - bata de ne ek be saaf saaf... ek yu taaga bandh karwawega? Mein nyu sochu tha ek yoh taaga MP aale electionaa tein chaalna chahiye... :rock



LILLE,whether political or otherwise...i wish people to rate them as performers on the platform,public had launched them to.
 
All right Colonel Sahab, I just objected to some comments against Tiket Baba. My intension was not to hit at any body.

Sorry for taking the discussion on descriptive note,,,,,,now i will stick to point system only,:rock

I will show complete restrain and will not act up on any provocations hereafter in this thread.:rock

However, I will still reiterate that, is there any leader who has not seen the down fall in his life span or is there any leader who doesnt have any negative side to talk about. People didnt even spare persons like Swami Dayanand and tried to find fault in them with out any base,,,,and what to expect in relations to these leaders from so called critics

Sangwan Bhai ki bhi ichha hai ki is thread ko kam se kam MP ke elections tak jaari rakhna hai,,,,so that we can discuss various issues especially keeping in mind that a few of the listed leaders will also play a major role in the next general elections,,,,Sangwan bhai ki baat sir maathe par:rock

Dear Sachin and Prashant,

Kindly don't derail the discussion. We all have our right to opinion. Our opinions are based on the information that we have about a subject and our analytical abilities. We are all different human beings. Some one sees the Glass Half full and some sees it Half empty.

So don't get involved in personal attacks. That is not good for any one. Remember "Criticism if hurts, it was well deserved".

Also you must be knowing well:

Nindak Niyre Rakhiye, Aangan Kuti Chavai
Bin Sabun pani bina, Nirmal Kare Suhai.
 
All right Colonel Sahab, I just objected to some comments against Tiket Baba. My intension was not to hit at any body.

Sorry for taking the discussion on descriptive note,,,,,,now i will stick to point system only,:rock

I will show complete restrain and will not act up on any provocations hereafter in this thread.:rock

However, I will still reiterate that, is there any leader who has not seen the down fall in his life span or is there any leader who doesnt have any negative side to talk about. People didnt even spare persons like Swami Dayanand and tried to find fault in them with out any base,,,,and what to expect in relations to these leaders from so called critics

Sangwan Bhai ki bhi ichha hai ki is thread ko kam se kam MP ke elections tak jaari rakhna hai,,,,so that we can discuss various issues especially keeping in mind that a few of the listed leaders will also play a major role in the next general elections,,,,Sangwan bhai ki baat sir maathe par:rock

I really appreciate u for showing nice gestures..but i don't think that discussions like these can ever remain decent:p. Irony is that ppl glorifies the leader whom they like but are not able to swallow the criticism. it's a basic tendency , i cann't spare u apart from that....ofcourse, me too in that stack...;). Anyway, keep up the spirit for tikait baba:D.........
 
Thanks

Dear Sachin and Prashant,

I really thank you both for showing such a mature understanding.
Sachin raised a good point about success and downfall of leaders and people criticizing any one and every one including Swami Dayanand.

That is exactly the point I was trying to make. How do we actually judge people? We all have our own measuring scale. It is because of this reason, we see here some one giving "0" marks to Mr. Chautala and some one giving "10" marks. We judge people as per our own perception of the problems that we face and the personalities we analyze. Regarding criticizing even people like Swami Dayanand. Well even he was human being. All human being may have some deficiencies in varying degree. For if they had none, they would be GOD. So, don't worry on that account.

I judge people from a different perspective. There is a plateform one gets to do the things. Now if that plateform is readily available, then it is easy to move on, but if one has to start from scratch, it requires herculian effort to do the same thing. Imagine, a boy studying in village which does not have electricity in month of April/May in North India for his final exam and competing with a boy living in city having an Air conditionar working. I remeber those days. If you sit inside, it is too hot. If you sit outside, your lentarn goes off due to wind. In spite of high temperatures you wrap you "Khes" around your body to prevent Mosquitoes troubling you while you are trying to concentrate on your subject.

While it is not very easy to get to the top, it is even more difficult to remain on top. So, success and downfalls are part of life. We can only control our own activities. Just be honest with that and you will find a lot of peace even in this world. Even Bhagwat Gita gives this message only.
 
Thank you so much Sachin bhai. Yeh aap ka baddappan hai aur mature mind ka example hai!! Same thing for Prashant...!!

Eb Kaka ki wait ho ri sei...

Kaka, aa ki composite score de dyo ebb sabb leaders ka!!! ghanni e ho li sei research... aap ek gudd ki bhellliii er 5-7 danddey baga gye iss thread mein...laag re sein sabb ... Mattta-matt :rock




All right Colonel Sahab, I just objected to some comments against Tiket Baba. My intension was not to hit at any body.

Sorry for taking the discussion on descriptive note,,,,,,now i will stick to point system only,:rock

I will show complete restrain and will not act up on any provocations hereafter in this thread.:rock
 
DEAR MEMBERS,As desired by Anil,here is the democratic result as voted by members.

Sir Chhotu Ram: Average score 8.2
Ch Bansi Lal : Average score 6.2
Ch Devi Lal : Average score 7.8
Ch Charan Singh: Average score 8.1
Mr Natwar Singh: Average score-3
Mr Ajit Singh : Average score -1
Mr O P Chautala: Average score 3
Mr Bhupi Hooda : Average score 4.5
Mr Bhajan Lal : Average score -2.7
Mr Balram Jakhar: Average score 2.5
Mr N R Mirdha : Average score 1.5
Ch M S Tikketh : Average score 4.5
 
Jeeo Baba Tikeit !

Majja aa gya ... Baba Tiekith ne bhuppi tein kasooti takkar de raakhi sei... :rock




DEAR MEMBERS,As desired by Anil,here is the democratic result as voted by members.

Sir Chhotu Ram: Average score 8.2
Ch Bansi Lal : Average score 6.2
Ch Devi Lal : Average score 7.8
Ch Charan Singh: Average score 8.1
Mr Natwar Singh: Average score-3
Mr Ajit Singh : Average score -1
Mr O P Chautala: Average score 3
Mr Bhupi Hooda : Average score 4.5
Mr Bhajan Lal : Average score -2.7
Mr Balram Jakhar: Average score 2.5
Mr N R Mirdha : Average score 1.5
Ch M S Tikketh : Average score 4.5
 
why bhajanlal (non-jat) is included in this list, agar non-jat incldue karne the toh aur bhi the e.g sheila dixit , narendra modi, abdul kalam etc..

my rating :-


Sir Chhotu Ram: 10 (kisan neta)
Ch Bansi Lal : 8 (architect of haryana)
Ch Devi Lal : 7 (dont know why he left the post of pm)
Ch Charan Singh: 10 (sabse bade jat neta)
Mr Natwar Singh: 4 (having good exp on foreign policy)
Mr Ajit Singh : 5 (educated still can do better)
Mr O P Chautala: 7(very good speaker popular among rural areas )
Mr Bhupi Hooda : 6(still learning..need to do something for jats and rural areas)
Mr Bhajan Lal : 0 (jaton se nafrat,worked againstjat reservation)
Mr Balram Jakhar: 6 good intellectual person
Mr N R Mirdha : 5 popular in rajasthan
Ch M S Tikketh : 7 (popular kisan leader rajiv gandhi ko hilane waala yeh hi tha)



DEAR MEMBERS,As desired by Anil,here is the democratic result as voted by members.

Sir Chhotu Ram: Average score 8.2
Ch Bansi Lal : Average score 6.2
Ch Devi Lal : Average score 7.8
Ch Charan Singh: Average score 8.1
Mr Natwar Singh: Average score-3
Mr Ajit Singh : Average score -1
Mr O P Chautala: Average score 3
Mr Bhupi Hooda : Average score 4.5
Mr Bhajan Lal : Average score -2.7
Mr Balram Jakhar: Average score 2.5
Mr N R Mirdha : Average score 1.5
Ch M S Tikketh : Average score 4.5
 
Sir Chhotu Ram: 9
Ch Bansi Lal : 8
Ch Devi Lal : 8
Ch Charan Singh: 8
Mr Natwar Singh: 1
Mr Ajit Singh 1
Mr O P Chautala: 5
Mr Bhupi Hooda : 5
Mr Bhajan Lal : 3
Mr Balram Jakhar:1
Mr N R Mirdha : 3
Ch M S Tikketh : 4...............
 
Ch. Sajjan Kumar has defeated Ch. Sahib Singh Verma every time they came face to face in Outer Delhi consitutency(Probably Asia's Largest)....84 went against him otherwise he had all the quality of becoming a mass leader....still his influnce can be seen in Delhi and surrounding areas(to an extent)

Sajjan kumar: No idea
Sahib Singh Verma: 3/10
 
Hooda?

Interesting thread, but was surprised to see low ratings for Hooda. From what I know, he has done an excellent job as CM. For me a good leader is one who performs on the ground, fulfills his responsibility and is appreciated for that by both Jats and non-Jats. Do members feel that Hooda has not done well as CM?

PS: Just as an example, here is a conversation my mama had with a Tau sitting on the road side.
Mama: Tau, Aage road ban rahi sai?
Tau: Bhai, Chautala ke time pe aaya tha ke? Ib to Hooda ka tame sai, dhur taanhi bann rahi sai.
 
Bhai mooh ki baat kah di.....Ch. Bhupinder Hooda is doing a wonderful job as CM.

But still its his first time as CM and as a person he prefers to keep low profile so earlier he was not so much in highlight,,,,hence people on JL want to observe his performance for another 5 yrs,,,

I dont mind it and we can rate him after 5 yrs,,,,no problem,,,,,jai agle 5 saal aur aagya to Haryana mein itni jabardast progress ho jaagi ke puchho mat.....abhi to ye trailer hai bas,,,,

In this thread i have decided earlier not to get in any controversy,,,,whatever I am saying about Ch. Hooda is just because of development work he is doing in Haryana,,,,,,,,,

Lets compare every leader based on the development work he/she has carried out.:rock

Interesting thread, but was surprised to see low ratings for Hooda. From what I know, he has done an excellent job as CM. For me a good leader is one who performs on the ground, fulfills his responsibility and is appreciated for that by both Jats and non-Jats. Do members feel that Hooda has not done well as CM?

PS: Just as an example, here is a conversation my mama had with a Tau sitting on the road side.
Mama: Tau, Aage road ban rahi sai?
Tau: Bhai, Chautala ke time pe aaya tha ke? Ib to Hooda ka tame sai, dhur taanhi bann rahi sai.
 
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