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केंद्र में आयोग की कार्यवाही बड़ी धीमी गति से चल रही हैं इसके लिए 23 मार्च को प्रधानमंत्री के नाम ज्ञापन दिया गया और सरकार को 15 अगस्त तक का समय दिया गया हैं | हरियाणा में आयोग ने अपनी सुनवाई पूरी कर ली हैं अब आयोग का जिलेवार सर्वे चल रहा हैं जिसमे आयोग ने अब तक 3 जिलो का सर्वे पूरा कर लिया हैं और अब उम्मीद हैं की जल्दी ही आयोग अपना सर्वे पूरा करके हरियाणा सरकार को अपनी रिपोर्ट सौंप देगा |
कर्नल साहब आप पेशे से वकील भी हैं खाप के प्रधान भी हैं , आप भी इस सर्वे में मदद कीजिये | इस सर्वे में आयोग हर जिले से गाँव व ब्लाक स्तर पर तथ्य झुटा रहा हैं , 3 जिलो में तो अपने लोगो की तरफ से बढ़िया सर्वे करवा दिया गया हैं |
 
Thanks brother, I am trying my best to contribute,however if any specific requirement, please let me know place and time, I shall be there, you know my problem,I am away from state.regards
 
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The Caste System In India By : Justice Markandey Katju, Judge, Supreme Court of India

Friends,
It is my humble opinion that the content of this speech is a piece of valuable information for three reasons:
1.Jat fits within the caste system
2. Some prominent members of Indian society at large aim at destroying the caste system
3.”Keep your friends close but keep your enemies even closer” …
The entire article is copied here for convenience but the URL of the original source is listed under the title.
Would you be kind enough NOT to flame me for sharing this here; NOT to make too hasty assumptions about my opinion about the topic?
Please DO discuss in civil manner the pros- and cons- of the thinking above.
(I post the text in 2 parts to accommodate restrictions)
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[TD="align: left"]The caste system is one of the greatest social evils plaguing our country today. It is acting as a powerful social and political divisive force in our country at a time when it is absolutely essential for us to be united if we wish to face our nation’s challenges. It is a curse on our country which must be speedily eradicated if we wish to progress.

We may consider a few facts to realize how strongly caste is still entrenched in our society today.
1. Our politics is largely governed by caste vote banks. When the time comes for selecting candidates for the elections a study is made of the numerical caste distribution in a constituency, because voters in most areas vote on caste basis.

2. What to say of the illiterate people, even the so called intellectuals tend to operate on caste lines. Thus, in the elections to many bar associations the lawyers tend to vote for the candidates of their caste.

3. Many castes want to be declared as O.B.C.s or Scheduled Castes, to get the benefits of reservation. Even some O.B.C.s strive to be declared as M.B.C.s (most backward castes) or Scheduled Castes.

4. Fake caste certificates have become rampant, as is often witnessed in our law courts, to get jobs or admissions in educational institutions.
5. Marriages are still largely performed within one’s caste.

6. Violence often occurs between castes, as was noticed in the recent fight between students of different castes in a University in Chennai, while the policemen looked on as silent spectators.

7. Even Muslims, Christians and Sikhs often have castes, although their religions preach equality.

We can multiply these facts manifolds. Many books and articles have been written about the caste system in India, but a scientific study is still wanting. An attempt shall be made here to explain the origin, development and future of the caste system.

Origin of the Caste System

The origin of the caste system was in all probability racial. It is said that caste originated when a white race, the Aryans, coming from the North West, conquered the dark coloured races inhabiting India at that time, probably 5000 years ago or so.

Some persons deny that the Aryans came from outside India and assert that India was the original home of the Aryans (Aryavarta) from where a section of them migrated to Europe. It is difficult to accept this view because people migrate from uncomfortable areas to comfortable areas (see the article `Kalidas Ghalib Academy for Mutual Understanding’ inwww.kgfindia.com). Why should anyone migrate from a comfortable country like India which has level and fertile land ideal for agriculture to a place like Afghanistan or Russia which is cold, mountaneous and therefore uncomfortable. Indian history bears out the view that almost all invasions/immigrations were from outside India (mainly from the North West and to a lesser extent from the North East) into India.

The caste system is called `Varna Vyavastha’ and the word `Varna’ in Sanskrit literally means colour of the skin. This also points at the racial origin of the caste system. Fair skin colour is usually preferred to darker skin even today, as is evident from matrimonial advertisements.

Subsequent Development of the Caste System

While the origin of the caste system appears to be racial (as mentioned above) it subsequently developed an altogether different basis according to the needs of the feudal society in India. In other words, the caste system, though originating in race, subsequently developed into the feudal, occupational division of labour in society. This needs to be explained in some detail.

In theory there were only four castes, Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas and Shudras. This, however, was only a fiction. In reality there were (and still are) hundreds, if not thousands, of castes and sub-castes in India many of which do not fit into the 4 traditional castes mentioned above e.g. Yadavs, Kurmis, Jats, Kayasthas, Bhumihars, Gosains, etc. Every vocation became a caste. Thus, in North India badhai (carpenter) became a caste, and so did lohar (blacksmith), sonar (goldsmith), kumbhar (Potter), dhobi (washerman), nai (barber), darzi (tailor), kasai (butcher), mallah (fisherman), kewat (boatman), teli (oil presser), kahar (water carrier), gadadia (sheep herder), etc.

This was not something unique to India. For instance, in England even today there are many people with the surnames Taylor, Smith, Goldsmith, Baker, Butcher, Potter, Barber, Mason, Carpenter, Turner, Waterman, Shepherd, Gardener, Miller, etc., which indicates that the ancestors of these persons belonged to those professions.

In feudal society, apart from agriculture, there was development of handicraft industry. This happened in India too, and the caste system became the Indian variation of the feudal occupational division of labour in society, somewhat like the medieval European guild system.

As pointed out by Adam Smith in his book `The Wealth of Nations’, division of labour results in great progress. The caste system in India resulted in great development of the productive forces, and hence in the feudal age it was a progressive institution (as compared to the preceding slave society).

It is well known that before the coming of the British, India was one of the world’s most prosperous countries (at that time). India was exporting Dacca Muslin, Murshidabad silk, Kashmir shawls and carpets, ornaments, etc. apart from agricultural products like spices, indigo, etc. to the Middle East and even Europe. The discovery of Roman coins in several parts of South India show the great volume of trade from India, which shows the great development of the productive forces in feudal India. In fact India was once a super power with a 31.5% share in the global gross domestic production, which came down to 3% in the year 1991.

The Destruction of Handicraft Industry in India

It is estimated that before the coming of the British into India about 40% of the population of India was engaged in industry while the rest of the population was engaged in agriculture. This industry was no doubt handicraft industry, and not mill industry. Nevertheless, there was a very high level production of goods in India by these handicraft industries before the coming of the British, and many of these goods were exported often up to Europe, the Middle East, China, etc. e.g. Dacca Muslin, Murshidabad silk, and other kind of textiles, spices etc.

A rough and ready test of the level of the economic development of a country is to find out how much percentage of the population is engaged in industry, and how much in agriculture. The greater the percentage of population in industry and lesser in agriculture the more prosperous the country. Thus, the U.S.A., the most prosperous country in the world today has only about 2 or 3% of its population in agriculture, while the rest is in industry or services.

India was a relatively prosperous country before the coming of the British because a high percentage of the people (which could be up to 40%) was engaged at that time in industry (though no doubt this was handicraft industry, not mill industry). Thus, Lord Clive around 1757 (when the battle of Plassey was fought) described Murshidabad (which was then the capital of Bengal) as a city more prosperous than London, vide `Glimpses of World History’ by Jawaharlal Nehru (Third Impression p.416, chapter entitled `The Indian Artisan goes to the wall’).
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When the British conquered India they introduced the products of their mill industry into India, and exorbitantly raised the export duties on the Indian handicraft products. Thereby they practically destroyed the handicraft industry in India. The result was that by the end of the British rule hardly 10% or even less of the population of India was still in the handicraft industry, and the rest of those who were earlier engaged in the handicraft industry were made unemployed. In this way about 30% of the population of India who were employed in handicraft industry became unemployed, and were driven to starvation, destitution, beggary or crime (the thugs and ‘criminal’ tribes were really these unemployed sections of society). As an English Governor General wrote in 1834, `the bones of the cotton weavers are bleaching the plains of India’. At the end of the British rule, India, which was one of the most prosperous countries in the world, became one of the poorest, unable to feed itself, with industrial development stalled (as the British policy was to not permit industrialization of India), low life expectancy and very low literacy rate. As Angus Madison, the Cambridge University historian points out, India’s share of world income fell from 22.6% in 1700 to 3.8% in 1952.

In this connection it may be noted that in the revenue records in many states in our country one often finds recorded: ‘A son of B, caste lohar (smith), vocation agriculture’; or ‘C son of D, caste badhai (carpenter), vocation agriculture’, or ‘E son of F, caste kumhar (potter), vocation agriculture’, etc. This indicates that the ancestors of these persons were in those professions, but later they became unemployed (although ostensibly they were shown as agriculturists) as British mill industry destroyed their handicraft. Some people think that if the British had not come into India an indigenous mill industry would have developed in India, because the high development of handicraft industry leads to capital accumulation which is the pre-requisite for industrialization, and India would have become an Industrial State by the 19th Century, like North America or Europe, but it is not necessary to go into this here, as there is no use crying over spilt milk.

In England and other European countries, too, the handicrafts were destroyed by the mill products, but the handicraftsmen got employment in the mills, whereas in India the British policy was to prevent industrialization of India (see Rajni Palme Dutt’s `India Today’) with the result that the millions of handicraftsmen either starved or became beggars or criminals. The Thugs of India or the `criminal tribes’ were those former handicraftsmen who became unemployed.

Handicraft Industry and Mill Industry

In the feudal period there were no engineering colleges or technical institutes, and the only way to learn a craft was to sit with one’s father from childhood and learn the craft by seeing how he works, with some tips from him. Thus the father was not only doing the production work through his craft but also teaching the craft to his son.

This was totally unlike modern times where the teacher in an engineering college or technical institute is not a producer engaged in some industry. In other words, in modern times the vocation of a teacher is separated from the vocation of a producer, but there was no such separation in the feudal age.

In feudal times one had no choice of one’s profession, one had to follow his father’s profession, and thus the son of a carpenter (Badhai) became a carpenter, the son of a blacksmith (lohar) became a blacksmith, etc. In this way carpenter, blacksmith, potter, etc. all became castes. The same thing happened in Europe too in feudal times (as mentioned above).

Modern Mill Industry

In the modern industrial age the demand for skilled technical personnel is much larger than in the feudal age, because the demand of goods is much more (due to increase in population, etc.). Hence the traditional feudal method of teaching a craft, in which only a handful of persons, (usually the sons of the handicraftsman), were taught, no longer sufficed for modern society. Now technical institutes or engineering colleges have become necessary, where a large number of students are taught the technical skill. Obviously all these students could not be sons of the teacher. This destroyed the very basis of the caste system in which one had no choice in choosing one’s vocation and had to follow his father’s profession. The caste system, in which one’s vocation is chosen by one’s birth, is thus totally outmoded in the modern age.

Today a boy of the badhai (carpenter) caste comes from the rural areas in India to a city where he becomes an electrician or motor mechanic or takes up some other vocation. If he gets some education he becomes a clerk or even a doctor, lawyer, engineer or teacher. He does not usually follow his father’s profession, and this has largely destroyed the basis of the caste system economically.

The caste system is now being artificially propped up socially by some vested interests e.g. vote bank politics, but when the basis of an institution has been destroyed (by the advance of technology) how long can that institution survive? To my mind the caste system in India will not last for more than ten or twenty years from now (because its very basis has gone).

A modern mill no longer bothers about the caste of the worker it employs, it only sees his technical skills.

The caste system was a social institution corresponding to handicraft industry. Now that handicraft industry has largely been replaced by mill industry, the caste system has today become totally outmoded, and is hindering our progress. The sooner it is destroyed the better.

Was the Caste System Bad for India?

Many people think that the caste system did a lot of damage to India. This is undoubtedly true of modern times. But it must also be said that in the feudal age the caste system did good to India because it corresponded to the feudal occupational division of labour in society (as pointed out above), which resulted in the great development of the productive forces (at that time).

It is a myth that the Scheduled Castes of today were always treated with indignity. In fact upto the coming of British rule, these castes were usually in some handicraft vocation and were earning their livelihood from that vocation. It was only when the British mill industry destroyed their handicraft and they became unemployed that they began to be treated with indignity. An unemployed man becomes a poor man, and a poor man is not given respect in society.

For instance, the chamars were at one time a respectable caste because they earned their livelihood by doing leather work. It was only when Bata and other companies destroyed their handicraft (and thereby their livelihood) that they sank in the social ladder, so much so that today to call a person a chamar is often regarded as a word of insult (see the judgment of the Supreme Court in Swaran Singh & Ors. vs. State through Standing Counsel & Anr. [2008(8) SCC 435, JT 2008(9) SC 60]).

Similarly, other castes whose handicraft occupations were destroyed by the British mill industry also became unemployed and thereby fell in the social order.

How will the Caste System be Destroyed?

To my mind the caste system will be destroyed (and is in fact being destroyed) in India by (1) The advance of technology (2) The people’s struggles, and (3) Inter caste marriages.

As regards the advance of technology, it has already been pointed out above that in modern industrial society the division of labour cannot be on the basis of one’s birth but on the basis of technical skills. Hence industrialization destroys the caste system, and in fact the caste system has become weak in a State like West Bengal, which was partially industrialized before most other states.

As regards the people’s struggles, these are in fact going on everywhere in view of the harsh economic conditions in India (price rise, unemployment, etc.). People in India are realizing that united they stand and divided they fall, and caste is certainly a dividing force.

As regards inter caste marriages, I have stated in my judgment in Lata Singh vs. State of U.P. [2006(5) SCC 475, JT 2006(6) SC 173], that inter caste marriages are in the national interest and hence should be encouraged.
 
A very nice and logical effort, I would like to add one more point which will help in finishing the social evil little early. As we have seen above and other materials available on caste system that bases of caste was occupation of a person and profession kept on getting transfered from father to son with in the family, hence the caste/verna got connected to birth of an individual and that is where we have gone wrong and the caste system became harmful becase withou the knowledge/capability/compitency, many children got title/unwritten certificate of the profession/caste of their fathers. It is like a son of docter without knowing ABC of the profession,become a docter. Thus the Govt has to remove the colmn/details of caste etc from the personal details of an individual. I am sure this action by the Govt will help a lot to abolish this social evil. I feel details regarding caste/subcaste/religion etc should be removed from personal records and must not be allowed to display such details any where in public,like along with your names,name boards etc.
 
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कल मेरे पास दो लड़के आये किसी cry नाम की ngo के लिए चंदा मांग रहे थे , अच्छे पढ़े लिखे थे mba की हुई थी | बात चल पड़ी समाज सेवा की मैंने कहा की समाज के लिए काम तो हम भी कर रहे हैं बस फर्क इतना हैं की आप लोग कुछ चुनिंदा लोगो के लिए कर रहे हैं और हम पुरे एक समुदाय के लिए | उनमे से एक लड़का दिल्ली के विकासपुरी इलाके का था नाम सुलेमान उसका पिता लेबनान का था उसकी माँ रिफूजी ब्राह्मन हैं | दूसरा लड़का बिहार के गया जिले से था ,उसने कहा की सर देश में यह कास्ट सिस्टम ख़त्म होना चाहिए | मैंने पुछा आपका नाम क्या हैं तो उसने बताया भूपेश सिंह चौहान | मैंने कहा की आप लोग दोगली बात क्यों करते हो ? बोला कैसे , मैंने कहा की एक तरफ तो कास्ट सिस्टम ख़त्म करने की वकालत करते हो दूसरी तरफ अपने नाम के साथ गोत्र लगा कर अपनी कास्ट भी बताते हो , यह चौहान आपकी जाति को दर्शाता हैं | अगर यह सवाल इस सुलेमान ने किया होता तो समझ आता क्योंकि इसके माँ ने यह काम किया हुआ हैं | मक्का जाति बुरी नहीं जातिवाद बुरा हैं |जाट जातिवाद में बहुत कम यकीन करते हैं इसलिए अधिकतर जाट अपने नाम के आगे गोत्र की बजाए सिंह या कुमार लिख देते हैं बस | यह दोगले लोग कास्ट ख़त्म करने की वकालत तो करते हैं पर अपने नाम के आगे अपना गोत्र लगाना नहीं भूलते | यहीं हाल काटजू साहब का हैं | देश में कुछ सुलेमान जैसे लोग हैं वो लोग ऐसी बात करे तो समझ भी आये क्योंकि उनके वर्तमान और इतिहास का कुछ अता-पता ही नहीं |
 
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कल मेरे पास दो लड़के आये किसी cry नाम की ngo के लिए चंदा मांग रहे थे , अच्छे पढ़े लिखे थे mba की हुई थी | बात चल पड़ी समाज सेवा की मैंने कहा की समाज के लिए काम तो हम भी कर रहे हैं बस फर्क इतना हैं की आप लोग कुछ चुनिंदा लोगो के लिए कर रहे हैं और हम पुरे एक समुदाय के लिए | उनमे से एक लड़का दिल्ली के विकासपुरी इलाके का था नाम सुलेमान उसका पिता लेबनान का था उसकी माँ रिफूजी ब्राह्मन हैं | दूसरा लड़का बिहार के गया जिले से था ,उसने कहा की सर देश में यह कास्ट सिस्टम ख़त्म होना चाहिए | मैंने पुछा आपका नाम क्या हैं तो उसने बताया भूपेश सिंह चौहान | मैंने कहा की आप लोग दोगली बात क्यों करते हो ? बोला कैसे , मैंने कहा की एक तरफ तो कास्ट सिस्टम ख़त्म करने की वकालत करते हो दूसरी तरफ अपने नाम के साथ गोत्र लगा कर अपनी कास्ट भी बताते हो , यह चौहान आपकी जाति को दर्शाता हैं | अगर यह सवाल इस सुलेमान ने किया होता तो समझ आता क्योंकि इसके माँ ने यह काम किया हुआ हैं | मक्का जाति बुरी नहीं जातिवाद बुरा हैं |जाट जातिवाद में बहुत कम यकीन करते हैं इसलिए अधिकतर जाट अपने नाम के आगे गोत्र की बजाए सिंह या कुमार लिख देते हैं बस | यह दोगले लोग कास्ट ख़त्म करने की वकालत तो करते हैं पर अपने नाम के आगे अपना गोत्र लगाना नहीं भूलते | यहीं हाल काटजू साहब का हैं | देश में कुछ सुलेमान जैसे लोग हैं वो लोग ऐसी बात करे तो समझ भी आये क्योंकि उनके वर्तमान और इतिहास का कुछ अता-पता ही नहीं |
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Bhai Rakesh, here we are not discussing any individual but a topic, Justice katju writes his sir name because it is being done in our country/societyfor many years, probaly his parents might have got written his name in school along with his subcaste, also he must have realized now that this caste system is harmful to the nation,its unity and progress. You are correct that jats believe less in casteism but you know many of us write caste/sub caste with our names. Raka ji, donot you think that this casteism was and is still a big social evil, a big stone in the path of our unity and progress and one of the big reason for many baises/favoures/wrong planning/wrong decision/wrong executions, also donot you think, that his writeup/view is correct, true and in the interest of our nation/society. I, Mr Hawa singh,you any many jat brothers do believe that reservation is not correct system but still we are demanding reservation for jats, that doesnot mean that we are duplicate people. Why should we remove jatland and why jats should stop talking about caste when this social evil is getting stronger day by day in our society and , some are getting benifitted and some are deprivedof their rights,as such you know that jats already believe less in caste/religion, so why only jats stop writing their subcaste why not all Indians, to remove this social evil from our society in the overall interest of our people/nation. By the way, if your fingure is pointing towards me also, than listen, I donot write kharb with my name, also when my daughter was getting her first admission in school at Hisar, I wrote her caste as Indian and religion as Humunity in the admission form but unfortunately the form was not accepted by the Principal till I changed to Jat and Hindu respectively. So let us share your views on the topic rather on any individual please. regards
 
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raka ji maine news papaer mai padaa tha ki april mai muzaffarnagar mai eek maha panchayat hogi..jismai western up ke 24 district se jaat iss panchayat mai aayenge....ye panchayat aarakshan ke muddeeee pur bulai jaa rahi hai.ismai yee decide kiya jayega ki kya haryana ki tarah western up mai bhi road block n rail track kiye jayee....taki center pur n state gorvernment pur thoda pressure baane....i think it is rite move..bas punjab mai jaat help kare to pher delhi door nahi hai..
 
Jats have no case for quota, says Congress leader
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Former spokesman of the Haryana Congress Ved Prakash Vidrohi said here today that the Jats had no case for demanding reservation in the state, particularly when top political posts and administrative posts were being held by representatives of their clan.
Vidrohi, who was earlier close to Chief Minister Bhupinder Singh Hooda and has now come close to Gurgaon MP Inderjeet Singh, said it was a rare coincidence that the Chief Minister, the Leader of the Opposition, the Chief Secretary and the Director-General of Police belonged to the same community.
He said there was no doubt that political posts were given by the people and the administrative posts were occupied by the officers by dent of their hard work. But this fact, he said, obliterated the demand of the Jats to be declared other backward class and given reservation in jobs and educational institutions.
Vidrohi said the Haryana Backward Classes Commission and the Central Backward Classes Commission should keep in view this fact while taking a decision on the demand of the Jats in Haryana.
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Jat samiti flays Vidrohi’s statement on quota
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Hisar, April 2
The Haryana unit of the All-India Jat Aarakshan Sangharsh Samiti has criticised former Haryana Congress spokesperson Ved Prakash Vidrohi’s statement that Jats did not deserve reservation in government jobs.
Reacting to the statement, Hawa Singh Sangwan, president of the Haryana unit of the samiti, said here today that the political standing or strength of any community was no yardstick for determining whether a community was socially or economically backward.
He said Yadavs had been declared as backward castes in UP and Bihar despite the fact that these two states were ruled for long periods by Mulayam Singh Yadav and Lalu Prasad Yadav. Babu Ram Gore had been Chief Minister of Madhya Pradesh while Brahm Prakash had remained Chief Minister of Delhi. Again Rao Birender Singh was the second Chief Minister of Haryana.
This, however, did not imply that the backward status accorded to the communityu in UP and Bihar should be withdrawn. Political strength of any community was always reflected in its political strength. However, the criteria for backwardness was determined on the basis of social and economic indices.
Sangwan said the Mandal Commission report clearly mentioned that Jat leaders at that time considered the status of a backward class below the collective dignity of their community despite the fact that the Jat community met all parameters laid down by the commission for consideration as a backward caste.
He said things had changed and Jat leaders now fully realised that a large number of community members had to work under the MNREGA scheme as their own land holdings had shrunk to less than two acres in the majority of cases. Hence, the Jats had become economically backward, he added.
 
कर्नल साहब वैसे मेरा इशारा आपकी तरफ नहीं था | खैर आपने दाखिले का जो जिक्र किया हैं की आपने उस फार्म में जाति धर्म नहीं लिखा था , फिर तो आपको यह शुरुआत अपने खाप के प्रधान पद को त्याग कर करनी चाहिए , क्योंकि यह मीडिया और काटजू जैसे लोग हमारी इस खाप व्यवस्था को भी सबसे बड़ी अड़चन मानते हैं इस विकास में |

काटजू साहब को यह ज्ञान देने से पहले अपना गोत्र छोड़ना चाहिए था , लोग तो अपना धर्म नाम तक बदल लेते हैं यहाँ तो फिर भी काटजू साहब को अपने नाम से सिर्फ अपना गोत्र हटाना था |


जब जाट अपनी कौम के हक लिए आवाज़ उठता हैं चाहे वह आरक्षण की हो या फिर हिन्दू विवाह अधिनियम तभी इन लोगो को इस जातिवाद से खतरा क्यों लगता हैं देश को ? आज तक देश में जो दंगे फसाद हुए या देश का बंटवारा हुआ हैं उसके जिम्मेवार देश की दो-तीन जातियां हैं , जो खुद मलाई खाते हैं खुद जातिवाद करते हैं और जब हमारी बारी आती हैं तो हमे देश भक्ति ,जातिवाद मिटाने का पाठ सिखाते हैं |
इसलिए यह जातिवाद का उद्दा हमारे लिए कोई चिंता का विषय नहीं हैं, इसके लिए इन लोगो को चिंतन करने दो | हमारे जातिवाद से विकास में कहीं रुकावट नहीं होती , रुकावट तो इन लोगो के द्वारा किये गए घोटालों से होती हैं |
 
raka said:
कर्नल साहब वैसे मेरा इशारा आपकी तरफ नहीं था | खैर आपने दाखिले का जो जिक्र किया हैं की आपने उस फार्म में जाति धर्म नहीं लिखा था , फिर तो आपको यह शुरुआत अपने खाप के प्रधान पद को त्याग कर करनी चाहिए , क्योंकि यह मीडिया और काटजू जैसे लोग हमारी इस खाप व्यवस्था को भी सबसे बड़ी अड़चन मानते हैं इस विकास में |

काटजू साहब को यह ज्ञान देने से पहले अपना गोत्र छोड़ना चाहिए था , लोग तो अपना धर्म नाम तक बदल लेते हैं यहाँ तो फिर भी काटजू साहब को अपने नाम से सिर्फ अपना गोत्र हटाना था |


जब जाट अपनी कौम के हक लिए आवाज़ उठता हैं चाहे वह आरक्षण की हो या फिर हिन्दू विवाह अधिनियम तभी इन लोगो को इस जातिवाद से खतरा क्यों लगता हैं देश को ? आज तक देश में जो दंगे फसाद हुए या देश का बंटवारा हुआ हैं उसके जिम्मेवार देश की दो-तीन जातियां हैं , जो खुद मलाई खाते हैं खुद जातिवाद करते हैं और जब हमारी बारी आती हैं तो हमे देश भक्ति ,जातिवाद मिटाने का पाठ सिखाते हैं |
इसलिए यह जातिवाद का उद्दा हमारे लिए कोई चिंता का विषय नहीं हैं, इसके लिए इन लोगो को चिंतन करने दो | हमारे जातिवाद से विकास में कहीं रुकावट नहीं होती , रुकावट तो इन लोगो के द्वारा किये गए घोटालों से होती हैं |
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FRIEND, let us not start another bad feeling on the forum, it is always batter to correct self than to advise others specially who are much elders/experieced, Keep your sweet ideas for your improvement, I thing you need more, By the way why did not you and mr Hawa singh become sikh before suggesting jats to convert. Without understanding others point , start playing football is not correct. Who has told you that khaps are obstacle in progress, khaps are existing for many years,if they were obstacles, how we have done so much progress and reach at this stage today. any way,I have already created may oppsitions for calling sped is sped and donot want to put you in tention.I also know and I can also point a fingure or can be sarcastic, but it will not be correct on my part to come down to your level. God bless you
 
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मैं तो अपने आप को सिक्ख मानता हु , मुझे नहीं पता आपके लिए सिक्ख की क्या परिभाषा हैं |
बाकि उस लेख में यह नहीं कहा के आप सिक्ख बन जाओ उसमे सिर्फ जाट कौम की बेहतरी और जाट कौम को पाखंड और कायरता की गुलामी से मुक्ति के लिए विचार मंथन के लिए कहा गया हैं | उस लेख में सांगवान साहब ने अपने विचार और तर्क दिए हैं और लोगो से उनके तर्क सुझाव मांगे हैं |
पिछली पोस्ट में शायद आप मेरे कहने का मतलब गलत समझ गए , मेरा आप की तरफ कोई इशारा नहीं था | न ही मैंने काटजू के तर्क पढ़े और न ही इनके तर्क पढने जरुरी समझता बस उसकी पहली लाइन से अंदाजा लगा लिया के यो हामने देश भक्ति का पाठ पढ़ता होगा इनकी खुद की जाति के लोग देश न लूट के खान लागरे स | उस पोस्ट में मैंने सिर्फ काटजू जैसे लोगो के लिए लिखा था, काटजू जैसे से मतलब इन दो तीन बिरादरी के लोगो से हैं खासकर ब्राह्मण और भापे | रही खापो की बात तो अभी पीछे सी इन दो बिरादरी के लोगो की मीडिया में ख़ास कर टाइम्स ऑफ़ इंडिया ने तो खापो के बारे में खूब अनाप सनाप लिखा हैं , खापो को नीचा दिखाने के लिए फिल्म भी बनाई गई |
 
It is humbly requested that there must be cease fire among the active Jat leaders like both of you till the time the Reservation Commission is considering the revision of OBC List as both of you are trying your level best to prove the case in favour of the community, so that you could put your energy in more productive work in the service of the people.

Regards
 
raka ji mai personallly apsee eek baat poochna chahta hu ki agar aap upar wale ko yaad karte hai n usmai vishawwas karte hai to ismai phakhand kya hai....agar aap iss phakhand ko nahi maante to apne aap ko sikh kyo maantee hai coz apne aap ko sikh kehkarr aap apne aap ko eek religion see jodd rahe hai...jo apne aap ko in sab phakhando se door maanta hai usse apne aap ko sirf insaan bolna chahiye naa ki hindu na sikh....eek din apse mujhse ppocha tha ki uss cheez ko kya mannnaaa jo dekhtii hi nahi ho...iska mai apko eek bahut acha example deta hu...kya hume bacteria deekhte hai nahi naa to iska matlab ye to nahi ki woo hai nahi...kya hume aur aakashh mai aur galaxies deekhti nahi hai ritee leekin phir bhi wo hai....bhai saab harr cheez ki eek study hoti hai....agar koi mujhse yee bole ki bhai to car bana dee yaa eek cell ph.. bana de to mai wo nahi kar sakoongaa coz maine uski study nahi ki waise hi bhagwaan ko dekhe ke liye bhi study karni padti hai...uske bina kaise dekhnege..apne hi mujhe kaha thaa kee mehnaat se sab mil jata hai...raka ji apne kabhi bhagwaat geeta padii hai?agar nahi padi to eek bar mere kehne se jaroor padna n phir guru granth sahib se milana....bhagvaad geeta mai jo leekha hai wohi same cheez more refined form mai gurugranth saahib hai leekhi hai...mujhe ye sab isliye pata hai coz maine yee sab khud padi hai...aab mai khaapo ke baare mai kuch bolna chahta hu....jo log inn khapo ki baat karte hai unko inn khapo ki 1% bhi knowledge nahi hai...apko to pata hi hoga ki khap aaj ki nahi hai yee 10th century mai bani thi aur isliye bani thi taki hindu dharam ki rakhsa ho sakee n mughlo see apna haqq cheenaa jaa sake.....aaaj jaat khap ki wajah se eek doosre se judii hui hai issee deekh kar doosri jaatti n doosree dharam ke log humse jalte hai....duniya uhnii ke baare mai baat karti hai jinmai kuch hota hai yaa jo apse superior hota hai...ek ladki apne gaam mai byaah kar lee yaa apne gotra mai byaah kar lee to uskaa marna hi thik hai..hum jaat apne culture ke liye jaane jaate theee hai aur hamesha rahengee....
 
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