Reservation is our constitutional right

[anilsangwan]

PS:Your enthusiasm for expressing your frank opinion is welcome but it is puzzling that Ms. Rekha Tomar tags her post 'Anonymous.'

कदे भेड़ की खाल में भेड़िया हो..... समझ ते थम गए इ होगे... !!!

 

[fateh]

I have mentioned this before, but we need data/information before we can come to the conclusion that Jats need reservation. At this moment the demand for reservation seems purely politically motivated. Reservation sadly has become a political game. Here are a few metrics that could help decide whether Jats require reservation. These metrics can be further divided into rural and urban.

1) Are per capita income figures for Jats lower than the state/national average?
2) Are per capita education levels, literacy rate, educational degress lower than the state/national average?
3) Are household income levels lower than the state/national average?

I think Jats would struggle to make the lower cut for reservation at least in Haryana and Punjab. Although I am not very well acquainted with the status of Jats in Western UP, my guess is that their rank would be slightly lower than those in Haryana.

Brother, why are you insisting only one point of economical condition, for your kind information, reservation in India to all categories is not given on the bases of economical condition, do you think economical condition of yadav, saini, mali, soni etc is poor than jats, we may think any thing but even socially we had been lower than Rajputs and Pandits, by becoming OBC, CAPABILITY, INTELLIGENCE, STATUS ETC is not not going any where, jats will remain jats, Eeven politically we are left alone, neither pandits, bania/business classes, rajputs treats us equal and part of their group nor OBC/BC/SC COME CLOSURE TO US, i FEEL THERE IS LOT OF BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY BY GETTING OBC STATUS, Please go through all views on the subject expressed by various members also.

 

[cutejaatsandeep]

we may think any thing but even socially we had been lower than Rajputs and Pandits, by becoming OBC, CAPABILITY, INTELLIGENCE, STATUS ETC is not not going any where, jats will remain jats, Eeven politically we are left alone, neither pandits, bania/business classes, rajputs treats us equal and part of their group nor OBC/BC/SC COME CLOSURE TO US,

sir just wana know y we keep sayin that bahmans rajputs are of higher class?in which book it is written?bhamans themselves formed this shudra kshatriya n vaishya system to keeep themselves up thn every1 else

 

[sanjeev_balyan]

I have mentioned this before, but we need data/information before we can come to the conclusion that Jats need reservation. At this moment the demand for reservation seems purely politically motivated. Reservation sadly has become a political game. Here are a few metrics that could help decide whether Jats require reservation. These metrics can be further divided into rural and urban.

1) Are per capita income figures for Jats lower than the state/national average?
2) Are per capita education levels, literacy rate, educational degress lower than the state/national average?
3) Are household income levels lower than the state/national average?

I think Jats would struggle to make the lower cut for reservation at least in Haryana and Punjab. Although I am not very well acquainted with the status of Jats in Western UP, my guess is that their rank would be slightly lower than those in Haryana.

Jaspreet bhai, I believe , u must be aware about Meena's in rajsthan. check any UPSC result of any category and than examine it with yr income matrics/ ranking theory with Jats or other cast.
i m from WUP and yr guess is correct , as per yr ranking theory WUP jats are lower than those in haryana.

 

[drrajpalsingh]

Jaspreet bhai, I believe , u must be aware about Meena's in rajsthan. check any UPSC result of any category and than examine it with yr income matrics/ ranking theory with Jats or other cast.
i m from WUP and yr guess is correct , as per yr ranking theory WUP jats are lower than those in haryana.

There is no basis whatever to categorize Jats belonging to one state as upper or of the another State as lower. After all Jat is Jat.

 

[ravindersura]

JAT QUOTA
CM gets bouquets, brickbats
Tribune News Service​

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Chandigarh, June 13
Chief Minister Bhupinder Singh Hooda is getting bouquets and brickbats for leading a delegation of prominent Jat leaders of various states like Punjab, Rajasthan and Haryana to Union Home Minister P Chidambaram yesterday to urge him to expedite a favourable decision on the demand of the Jats for reservation under the OBC category.
Hawa Singh Sangwan, president of the Haryana unit of the Akhil Bharatiya Jat Arakshan Samiti, which has been spearheading the Jat agitation to press the demand for inclusion in the OBC category for the purpose of reservation in jobs, today appreciated Hooda for leading the delegation to Chidambaram.
Sangwan said this showed the vision and commitment of Hooda towards the poor farming community of the country. It is for the first time after the Chhotu Ram era that the leaders of Jat community from the ruling party had come forward under one leader to espouse the cause of a poor farming community, which was kept out of the OBC ambit by the Mandal Commission due to obvious reasons. However, Hooda has drawn criticism from the non-Jat communities for his action.

 

[ravindersura]

जसप्रीत जी यहाँ अब रिजल्ट आने को हैं , आप लेट आये बहस करने | वैसे हरियाणा में इस सामाजिक , आर्थिक पिछड़ेपन के लिए दो दो सर्वे हो चुके हैं और आयोग बिना आकड़ो के तथ्यों के ऐसे ही किसी जाति को तो पिछड़ा नहीं मान सकता , जाट भी अगर इन तीनो शर्तो को पूरा करते हैं तो उन्हें भी obc का दर्जा मिलेगा | आयोग की रिपोर्ट आने दो उसमे आपके सरे जवाब मिल जायेंगे |

 

[drrajpalsingh]

sir just wana know y we keep sayin that bahmans rajputs are of higher class?in which book it is written?bhamans themselves formed this shudra kshatriya n vaishya system to keeep themselves up thn every1 else

Friend,

There is no reason to reject the facts and historical truth stated by Kharb Sahib that for centuries the Jats were definitely considered lower than the two castes mentioned by him in the Indian social hierarchy.

You are also true in saying that priestly class created the myth of superiority or inferiority in social hierarchy.

If we go through the pages of even Rigveda, the most ancient and sacred book of the Hindus, they introduced Purusha-sukata hymn at the stage of later revision and twisted its interpretation to justify replacement of varana system by birth based caste system. The same system has been continuing to be the base of Indian caste system even today.

Regards

 

[drrajpalsingh]

I have mentioned this before, but we need data/information before we can come to the conclusion that Jats need reservation. At this moment the demand for reservation seems purely politically motivated. Reservation sadly has become a political game. Here are a few metrics that could help decide whether Jats require reservation. These metrics can be further divided into rural and urban.

1) Are per capita income figures for Jats lower than the state/national average?
2) Are per capita education levels, literacy rate, educational degress lower than the state/national average?
3) Are household income levels lower than the state/national average?

I think Jats would struggle to make the lower cut for reservation at least in Haryana and Punjab. Although I am not very well acquainted with the status of Jats in Western UP, my guess is that their rank would be slightly lower than those in Haryana.

When you have neither collected relevant statistics nor primary data and also not very well acquainted with the status of Jats, then could you not restrain yourself from commenting on the issue under reference.

Jis baat kee puri jankari nahin hai aur us bare mein baat karane kee bajaye agar aap chup rahenge to log aapko philosopher manane lag jayenge.

Yes you are most welcome if you come up with relevant data to support your propositions.

Thanks.

 

[swaich]

Brother, why are you insisting only one point of economical condition, for your kind information, reservation in India to all categories is not given on the bases of economical condition, do you think economical condition of yadav, saini, mali, soni etc is poor than jats, we may think any thing but even socially we had been lower than Rajputs and Pandits, by becoming OBC, CAPABILITY, INTELLIGENCE, STATUS ETC is not not going any where, jats will remain jats, Eeven politically we are left alone, neither pandits, bania/business classes, rajputs treats us equal and part of their group nor OBC/BC/SC COME CLOSURE TO US, i FEEL THERE IS LOT OF BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY BY GETTING OBC STATUS, Please go through all views on the subject expressed by various members also.

Brother, if Jats are not economically under-privileged and are still backward (education/literacy), then whose fault is this really? Isnt this the fault of the community itself that in spite of being comparatively better in income, Jats still consider themselves backward? So maybe its the mindset that is the problem. And I bet you that even after reservation such a mindset cannot change if we are intent on "feeling" backward.

And its inaccurate to say that Jats arent strong politically. At least Haryana and Punjab Jats cannot say that. If we are indeed backward (although I doubt that), its our own fault and no amount of reservation will be able to help us. So why look at govt. for a 'khairat'?

 

[swaich]

When you have neither collected relevant statistics nor primary data and also not very well acquainted with the status of Jats, then could you not restrain yourself from commenting on the issue under reference.

Jis baat kee puri jankari nahin hai aur us bare mein baat karane kee bajaye agar aap chup rahenge to log aapko philosopher manane lag jayenge.

Yes you are most welcome if you come up with relevant data to support your propositions.

Thanks.

Thanks for the tip. With all due respect, may I ask you, what data do you or other supporters of reservation on this forum have to say there's a case for reservation? I haven't seen any data in any post, but simply assertions that Jats are still backward and need reservation. And these assertions and demands seem to be borne out of frustration at seeing other communities getting ahead via quota. I am surprised that learned people too desire reservation as a panacea to all ills of the community.

And I am well acquainted with the status of Jats, at least those of Haryana and Punjab. And I can surely say that if its a fair analysis, Jats of these two states wouldnt ever qualify for reservation.

 

[swaich]

जसप्रीत जी यहाँ अब रिजल्ट आने को हैं , आप लेट आये बहस करने | वैसे हरियाणा में इस सामाजिक , आर्थिक पिछड़ेपन के लिए दो दो सर्वे हो चुके हैं और आयोग बिना आकड़ो के तथ्यों के ऐसे ही किसी जाति को तो पिछड़ा नहीं मान सकता , जाट भी अगर इन तीनो शर्तो को पूरा करते हैं तो उन्हें भी obc का दर्जा मिलेगा | आयोग की रिपोर्ट आने दो उसमे आपके सरे जवाब मिल जायेंगे |

Thats probably the best option. Lets see what the reports say. I just hope, the quota, if indeed it is allotted is on a state basis.

 

[swaich]

Jaspreet bhai, I believe , u must be aware about Meena's in rajsthan. check any UPSC result of any category and than examine it with yr income matrics/ ranking theory with Jats or other cast.
i m from WUP and yr guess is correct , as per yr ranking theory WUP jats are lower than those in haryana.

Bhai I know the development of Meena of Rajastha. But to begin with when they received quota they werent at the same level. They were amongst the backward communities and hence got the quota. But its is indeed the flaw of the reservation system that even rich Meenas children get quota.

Reservation should only be income based and not of any community/caste based.

 

[anilsangwan]

Reservation should only be income based and not of any community/caste based.

Bhai, you get it changed for all castes which are under OBC now... Let it be income based for them, and then we will accept it as criteria for Jats as well.. !!! Lekin unke liye caste based aur Jaaton ke liye income based --- yeh baat to galat hai !!

 

[rekhasmriti]

Ofcourse more IITians n Doctors- but on Merits Sir g
not on Quota

 

[rekhasmriti]

Consider it done- sir g-

no grammar mistakes -
just express views-

I would try to read all threads related to Reservation soon

 

[rekhasmriti]

Sir g,

if any, can opt for competing for only 'open category' ignoring the provision of OBC category

yeh galat hai - aap general mei bhi khade ho jao-
n quota toh hai hi apka

chit bhi apki pat bhi apki- bechara general kahan jayega

sir g - agar resevation is meant for unprivileged people -
toh Caste basis par kyun ho??????????

Let it be on per capita income of family

sir g - yeh unjustice hua-

jatan ka balak gareeb toh- koi nahi bhai quota dilwa denge

aur bechara brahmin or baniya ????????????????

Sir iss caste demarcation ne toh aisee - taisee kar rakhi hai

aap unpriviliged logon ke liye quote ke demand - rakho- that is fair

not on Caste basis

Sir g - Rekha- Smriti- Anonymous - kuch aur bolna hai woh bi bol sakte ho-

nam gaya kuyen mei!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sorry sir - thodi emotional ho gayee

Regards,
Whatever

 

[rekhasmriti]

Hey bhagwan ,

Sir g- mei nahi samjhi-

ek nam babat- mahabharat ched rakhi hai

To all sirs-

kuch bhi kehlo - again " whats in a name"

request- is nam ne beech mei mat lao-
ib ke fansi chadhoage !!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[rekhasmriti]

Sir g ,

B R Ambedkar ek bahut badi galti kar chuka hai- by providing reservation on caste basis
n wats the result SC 50% lekar MBBS kar leta hai- humare 95% wale school mei teacher lag jate hai-
Ib yeh batao- 50% wala doctor toh pet mei kenchi chode hi chode-
nuksan kiska - humara -

humne ke bera- kaun surgery kara raha hai- general ya SC

We need to learn from that mistake -
Ek galti bhugat li bahut hai

ab doosri toh barbad hi kar degi


Regards,

 

[fateh]

sir just wana know y we keep sayin that bahmans rajputs are of higher class?in which book it is written?bhamans themselves formed this shudra kshatriya n vaishya system to keeep themselves up thn every1 else

Brother, it is reality on ground for last thousands years, who started/why started, who is responsible/ who is at fault etc are immaterial, Human being was born as human being but all differences, problem etc are created by human being only,

Mr swaich, please understand the subject, read little more and than we all will enjoy the discussion please.