Reservation is our constitutional right
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rinkusheoran
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Ho sakta hai fateh sahab ki reservation ncongress na de kyunki congress hamesha dogli neiti apnati hai na hi BJP lekin main iss reservation andolan ko jab bhiwani mein start kia tha Chaudhary Hawa Singh Sangwan ne ( 2006-07) tab se Center mein demand kar rahe hain n maine yahi unse suna hai n logon ko kahte huye bhi dekha hai. you might have come across this now only and if you want to deep dive into this then you can check the paper that are submitted to national backward commission. i was even present in one the hearing in ggn myself for haryana and have gone through other documents as well
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drrajpalsingh
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Rinku, you may be right, I have no proof against your statement and I have no doubt on the intention of mr Hawa singh, but I have noticed his centre preference about six months back, any way no issue, issue is reservation which I have total doubt with present situation and people in power.
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Ms. Rinku Sheoran,
None doubts the endeavours of Commandant Hawa Singh.
But aspirations of the community have been raised to sky during the past year or two. This is the reason, therefore, that so long as this issue reaches the culmination, the doubt about the intentions of the ruling party [whichsoever party it may] cannot be removed especially in view of lingering on the issue for indefinite time without getting it settled in a time bound manner. Kharb Sahib is also an accomplished fighter in his own right and has a variety of experience in dealing with the politicians. Hence he has every right in our democratic set up to comment on the issue. Yes, we have right to agree or disagree with him in the like manner.
Thanks.
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Dr Rajpalji
First of all Dr Saheb i'm Mr not Ms
it has happened with me for the second time and first time i think it was Fateh Saheb and now you 
Ajj hi photo lagata hun taki log na dikh ja ladke aali shakal, ebb naam k sath gender jod dia hai, eeb tai dharam tha 
I agree Dr Saheb and i think everyone involved in this isssue is pursuing for culmination of this on a positive note not just culmination becasue we can not let the efforts of all involved go in vain. I said we can not believe congress as well as any other party as they do something and say something but at the same time we need to have hope and confidence in ruling party.I believe Hooda is making sincere effort and he even took all the leader from our caste from other state to home minister but on other hand we have Chautala Saheb jo apna statement do din mein bhul gaye the and now he is advocating reservation on economy which does not have any consitution. In recent rally rally in rewari he talked about women reservation but didnt mince a single word on Jat reservation.
i gave my point and Kharab saheb his own,i never said anything realted to why he gave that statement. With due respect i dont understand why you keep telling to me and everyone else that we all have righto speak, i think i and everyone knows that. Please remove your cynicism if you have any on this. I was telling him something that was missing in his statement from my own experience and i have all the rights to do that as well.
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Dear Rinku, I am sorry for adressing you girl but it was due to your beautiful name, nothing else, many members call me kharab and mr/fateh only but it is due to their ignorence, otherwise only defance personnel are authorised to retain their rank after retirement, like dr Rajpal he adresses hawa singh as commandant which is not authorised and calls me kharb sahab, but it is not intentional but due lack of knowledge, so we should not feel bad, I never said that chautala is right choice and is keen in reservation nor I have any thing against bhupy infact he had been my friend, but I know his difficulties in haryana as well as in congress, Now again give you the reason/difficulty==[disunity of jats]plus selfishness of all politicians due to which we may not get our due. Col {retd] Fateh Singh Kharb
Dr Rajpalji
First of all Dr Saheb i'm Mr not Ms
I agree Dr Saheb and i think everyone involved in this isssue is pursuing for culmination of this on a positive note not just culmination becasue we can not let the efforts of all involved go in vain. I said we can not believe congress as well as any other party as they do something and say something but at the same time we need to have hope and confidence in ruling party.I believe Hooda is making sincere effort and he even took all the leader from our caste from other state to home minister but on other hand we have Chautala Saheb jo apna statement do din mein bhul gaye the and now he is advocating reservation on economy which does not have any consitution. In recent rally rally in rewari he talked about women reservation but didnt mince a single word on Jat reservation.
i gave my point and Kharab saheb his own,i never said anything realted to why he gave that statement. With due respect i dont understand why you keep telling to me and everyone else that we all have righto speak, i think i and everyone knows that. Please remove your cynicism if you have any on this. I was telling him something that was missing in his statement from my own experience and i have all the rights to do that as well.
Dear Rinku, I am sorry for adressing you girl but it was due to your beautiful name, nothing else, many members call me kharab and mr/fateh only but it is due to their ignorence, otherwise only defance personnel are authorised to retain their rank after retirement, like dr Rajpal he adresses hawa singh as commandant which is not authorised and calls me kharb sahab, but it is not intentional but due lack of knowledge, so we should not feel bad, I never said that chautala is right choice and is keen in reservation nor I have any thing against bhupy infact he had been my friend, but I know his difficulties in haryana as well as in congress, Now again give you the reason/difficulty==[disunity of jats]plus selfishness of all politicians due to which we may not get our due. Col {retd] Fateh Singh Kharb
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Dr Rajpalji
First of all Dr Saheb i'm Mr not Ms
I agree Dr Saheb and i think everyone involved in this isssue is pursuing for culmination of this on a positive note not just culmination becasue we can not let the efforts of all involved go in vain. I said we can not believe congress as well as any other party as they do something and say something but at the same time we need to have hope and confidence in ruling party.I believe Hooda is making sincere effort and he even took all the leader from our caste from other state to home minister but on other hand we have Chautala Saheb jo apna statement do din mein bhul gaye the and now he is advocating reservation on economy which does not have any consitution. In recent rally rally in rewari he talked about women reservation but didnt mince a single word on Jat reservation.
i gave my point and Kharab saheb his own,i never said anything realted to why he gave that statement. With due respect i dont understand why you keep telling to me and everyone else that we all have righto speak, i think i and everyone knows that. Please remove your cynicism if you have any on this. I was telling him something that was missing in his statement from my own experience and i have all the rights to do that as well.
Dear Rinku, I am sorry for adressing you girl but it was due to your beautiful name, nothing else, many members call me kharab and mr/fateh only but it is due to their ignorance, ohterwise only defance personnel are authorised to retain their rank after retirement, like dr Rajpal he adresses hawa singh as commandant which is not authorised and calls me kharb sahab, but it not intentional but due lack of knowledge, so we should not feel bad, I never said that chautala is right choice and is keen in reservation nor I have any thing against bhupy infact he had been my friend, but I know his difficulties in haryana as well as in congress, Now again give you the reason/difficulty==[disunity of jats]plus selfishness of all politicians
drrajpalsingh
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Dr Rajpalji
First of all Dr Saheb i'm Mr not Ms
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Lapse regretted.
The Jats want reservation and do not bother which party or person grants this to them. Before that is granted war of words and lip service would continue to fill the pages of discussions.
Thanks.
ravindersura
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जाट आरक्षण के विरोध का कोई भी औचित्य नहीं है : सांगवान
अखिल भारतीय जाट आरक्षण संघर्ष समिति के प्रदेशाध्यक्ष पूर्व कमांडेंट हवासिंह संागवान ने पत्रकारों को बतलाया कि कुछ लोग जाट आरक्षण के विरोध में समाचार पत्रों के माध्यम से न्यायालय में जाने की धमकी दे रहे हैं। इस बारे में हमारा कहना है कि जब उत्तरप्रदेश के जाटों को सन् 2000 में पिछड़ी जाति घोषित किया तो इसके विरोध में कुछ लोग इलाहाबाद उच्च न्यायालय में गए, जिस पर छह साल के बाद न्यायालय ने फैसला दिया कि कुछ लोग स्वयं तो बस में बैठ जाते हैं लेकिन दूसरों को बस में चढऩे तक नहीं देते। इस प्रकार जाटों के आरक्षण को न्यायालय ने उचित करार दिया। इसी फैसले की कॉपियां हम हरियाणा पिछड़ा आयोग तथा राष्ट्रीय पिछड़ा आयोग के अतिरिक्त राज्य सरकार व केंद्र सरकार के संबंधित मंत्रियों तक पहले ही दे चुके हैं। सांगवान ने इस बात पर आश्चर्य प्रकट किया कि जो लोग अपने को प्रजा का पति कहते हैं, ऋषियों के वंशज बताते हैं और यहां तक कि सोने-चांदी में हाथ रखते हैं और आरक्षण लिए बैठे हैं, लेकिन वही लोग आज जाटों का विरोध कर रहे हैं, जबकि ग्रामीण जाट तो भैंसों और गायों के गोबर में हाथ रखने वाला समाज है, जिसमें सुबह से लेकर शाम तक परिवार का कोई न कोई सदस्य इसी गोबर के काम में लगा रहता है। इसलिए हम कह सकते हैं कि गांव के जाटों की प्रात: की आरती गोबर से शुरू होती है और सायं की आरती भी गोबर से संपन्न होती है। जाट समाज किसी ऋषि की संतान नहीं है, हालांकि जाट समाज से ऋषि और संत पैदा होते रहे हैं, जैसे धन्ना जट, केशवानंद, गंगादास, गरीबदास, निश्चलदास, हरिदास, विष्णुदास व बाबा बुड्ढ़ा आदि।
सांगवान ने आगे स्पष्ट करते हुए कहा कि हमने बार-बार कहा है कि हमारा किसी के आरक्षण से कोई विरोध नहीं है और हम चाहते हैं कि गांव के सभी लोगों को आरक्षण मिलना चाहिए तथा साथ-साथ हम यह भी अपील करते हैं कि दूसरे समाजों को देखकर हमें ईष्र्या नहीं होनी चाहिए, बल्कि भाईचारा बनाए रखना चाहिए। इसी में हम सभी की भलाई है।
अखिल भारतीय जाट आरक्षण संघर्ष समिति के प्रदेशाध्यक्ष पूर्व कमांडेंट हवासिंह संागवान ने पत्रकारों को बतलाया कि कुछ लोग जाट आरक्षण के विरोध में समाचार पत्रों के माध्यम से न्यायालय में जाने की धमकी दे रहे हैं। इस बारे में हमारा कहना है कि जब उत्तरप्रदेश के जाटों को सन् 2000 में पिछड़ी जाति घोषित किया तो इसके विरोध में कुछ लोग इलाहाबाद उच्च न्यायालय में गए, जिस पर छह साल के बाद न्यायालय ने फैसला दिया कि कुछ लोग स्वयं तो बस में बैठ जाते हैं लेकिन दूसरों को बस में चढऩे तक नहीं देते। इस प्रकार जाटों के आरक्षण को न्यायालय ने उचित करार दिया। इसी फैसले की कॉपियां हम हरियाणा पिछड़ा आयोग तथा राष्ट्रीय पिछड़ा आयोग के अतिरिक्त राज्य सरकार व केंद्र सरकार के संबंधित मंत्रियों तक पहले ही दे चुके हैं। सांगवान ने इस बात पर आश्चर्य प्रकट किया कि जो लोग अपने को प्रजा का पति कहते हैं, ऋषियों के वंशज बताते हैं और यहां तक कि सोने-चांदी में हाथ रखते हैं और आरक्षण लिए बैठे हैं, लेकिन वही लोग आज जाटों का विरोध कर रहे हैं, जबकि ग्रामीण जाट तो भैंसों और गायों के गोबर में हाथ रखने वाला समाज है, जिसमें सुबह से लेकर शाम तक परिवार का कोई न कोई सदस्य इसी गोबर के काम में लगा रहता है। इसलिए हम कह सकते हैं कि गांव के जाटों की प्रात: की आरती गोबर से शुरू होती है और सायं की आरती भी गोबर से संपन्न होती है। जाट समाज किसी ऋषि की संतान नहीं है, हालांकि जाट समाज से ऋषि और संत पैदा होते रहे हैं, जैसे धन्ना जट, केशवानंद, गंगादास, गरीबदास, निश्चलदास, हरिदास, विष्णुदास व बाबा बुड्ढ़ा आदि।
सांगवान ने आगे स्पष्ट करते हुए कहा कि हमने बार-बार कहा है कि हमारा किसी के आरक्षण से कोई विरोध नहीं है और हम चाहते हैं कि गांव के सभी लोगों को आरक्षण मिलना चाहिए तथा साथ-साथ हम यह भी अपील करते हैं कि दूसरे समाजों को देखकर हमें ईष्र्या नहीं होनी चाहिए, बल्कि भाईचारा बनाए रखना चाहिए। इसी में हम सभी की भलाई है।
drrajpalsingh
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It is heartening to learn that Shri Sangwan is leading the reservation demand of the community in right direction by putting the case before the state and central government/commission; and the vested interests are bound to raise their voice of dissension.
In a bid to maintaining cordial relations other castes should also adopt tolerant attitude towards the Jat demand and; in my humble opinion, it would be in fitness of things if Shri Sangwan does not broaden his scope of demand by including reservation for 'GAON KE SABHI LOGON KO ARKASHN MILANA CHAHIYA'. If he persists on his latest stand then the Jat Reservation issue would further complicate itself and reach the point from where it started.
Thanks.
What is Mr. Hooda waiting for? He can start with giving reservations in Haryana? And then it can be done at the centre.
The decision of reservation in Haryana at least is in his hands. He and Hooda Jr. win because of Jat votes and on Jat plank and then they forget for the next five years that they are Jats.
Jats need to unite into a single large voting block because only then they will be taken seriously. And if need be, form a political party which should explicitly have in its manifesto the point of reservations of jats in Haryana and also pushing for their inclusion in the central list.
Mr. Hooda and Hooda Jr. it seems know pretty well that they cannot form govt in state for the third time. They just need to win one Lok Sabha seat each in order to remain in central politics and they will just focus on that.
The decision of reservation in Haryana at least is in his hands. He and Hooda Jr. win because of Jat votes and on Jat plank and then they forget for the next five years that they are Jats.
Jats need to unite into a single large voting block because only then they will be taken seriously. And if need be, form a political party which should explicitly have in its manifesto the point of reservations of jats in Haryana and also pushing for their inclusion in the central list.
Mr. Hooda and Hooda Jr. it seems know pretty well that they cannot form govt in state for the third time. They just need to win one Lok Sabha seat each in order to remain in central politics and they will just focus on that.
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Ravinder Sura presented a very good analysis of Jat politics and percentages of Jats in a govt in Haryana, I recommend a reading
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जाट आरक्षण के मुद्दे को लेकर अब हर जाट जागरूक हैं वो अलग बात हैं की अभी जाट शांति से सरकार का रुख देख रहे हैं | हुड्डा को भी इस बात का ज्ञान हैं की यदि उन्होने जाटो को आरक्षण नहीं दिया तो जाट उनकी खाट खड़ी कर देंगे | जाट हुड्डा पर पहले ही विश्वास कम करते हैं यदि अब आरक्षण नहीं दिया तो उनकी बची खुची इमेज भी जाती रहेगी | अभी जो आयोग की सर्वे रिपोर्ट लीक हुई हैं उससे भी लगता हैं की सरकार गंभीर हैं परंतु सरकार इतनी ढीली क्यो चल रही हैं यह समझ नहीं आ रहा | ये राजनीतिक लोग पहले अपना स्वार्थ देखते हैं की कब कैसे देने मे ना देने उन्हे कितना फायदा नुकसान हैं |
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jato ko aarakshan milte hi ye marenge sadme ta , khud maal khaa gaye ar eb kyukar rowe s
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