Dear Sumit,
Here, in the post u urself told that u r lil rude here. U gave a scenerio and threw a challenge.I After that u asked not to discuss abt reservation and asked not to write in favor or against. U used bold fonts also(hope u know what that mean). I am really confused what to write here. I mean what do u expect from members to write her. Anyway, I can easily understand ur state of mind and emotions u have. But give us some options to write on. What u said is all correct but i have few concerns if i agree with u.
Dont call JAT, Sher, Mard and all coz there is no difference bw a Jat and a Chamar. I see both as HUmans. Jats are nowhere better than a Chamar or Chudha... do u agree ??? I agree. Both can do any kind of task. A chudha can be as Gutsy as a JAt and bold as well as couragous. Dont differentiate JATs then by using such words.
This is not an argument to prove u wrong but with an agreement with ur post along with my own perception in a different way. Rest after ur reply.
Read ur another thread of PVR incident. I wanted to write reams on that but ppl already wrote a lot.
Devender
Hello All.
What Sumit has tossed up here, is very true in the real case scenario.
But, the main concern is, if we start demanding for equal terms in reservation, it will give rise to another chaotic situation, like what Gujjars are upto now. They are ready to go to extremes to get it implemented. End result, huge loss to the public property, which will again be an imposed burden on common man including the needy Jats. And, it can not be a feasible solution in the first place. Even if Jats are given their share in reservation, how about the other general castes. They will have every right to fight for 'emselves then. One can imagine what it can lead to. Reservation for all. Ain't it funny !!
Bhai hoga nahi ye to ho liya hai .... peeche brahmano ne bhi awaj uthai thi .... to aaj ke time pe koe party reservation abolish nahi kar paegi lagta hai ... to better to put each and everybody in reservation ... nue mar kat machegi jibbe ye politicians samajhenge ... na to iss sindhia ki dhala jhutthe waide karke gaddi pe baith jyange er apne maje karenge ... eeb bera pattya na isne ek nue bhi ho sake hai vote ke jhutthey wadyan te ....
As far as standing up to the challenge is concerned, it seems to be the most rewarding method. But, needs so much of perseverance from people like you & me who don't have that much time to devote to it, even if we want to support them from the core of our hearts. So, we all end up discussing only here and actual implementation never happens. But, in actual, a little support from us can do wonders.
As Sumit said, our youth in villages (so is the case with many of 'em in urban areas as well) dont find a mentor to show them the way. They have a zeal to learn. I have seen 'em joining English speaking courses, trying to get 'emselves aquainted with personality traits, but again lag behind without any proper guidance and support. It is all about getting into the right environment. I have seen few of them rising upto the situation and take up the challenge. Trust me, they went through. That happened just because they got a helping hand at the right time. Whenever, I go to my village , atleast once in a month, I find many of them coming for advices.Even their parents look upto us for some mentoring. Thats where people like us can prove handy. Most heartening aspect of our youth in villages is, they are a bundle of energy. It's all about harnessing it. Make a good image of yourself in their minds and they always listen to you. Half of the work is done as soon as they start lending their ears to your constructive thoughts.
I know, it is always easier said than done. But, it has to start somewhere, someday. Unless we visit our roots, our villages and contribute back to them, their psychology can never change. If we could do a little on that front, we should consider ourselves lucky and can take pride in it.
Sumit, thanks much for coming up with the idea. It shouldn't matter where do we discuss all these things, as long as it contributes to our near, dear and needy ones. Rest is upto you people to decide. I have many more things to say and would like to contribute a step further. But, as I said, time constraint again hampers me from doing it. Will try writing more in my subsequent post.
Bye for now.
My grandfather, Ch. Priya Vart was very active in promoting education in rural areas and establishing educational institutes for many decades. Clearly, the current system has not worked. If thought wisely and in detail of what a new model can incorporate and do. It can take action and provide the primary neccessities that the current system has failed to provide.
Process (summary):
Indentification of failings and weaknesses of current system -> Determination of changes required-> Investigation of possible solutions -> Design of new model-> Implementation
I have a very good idea of the conditions of schools in villages. I am not sure what gave you the idea that I don't??
"Assumption is the mother of all mistakes"
Needs so much of perseverance from people like you & me who don't have that much time to devote to it, even if we want to support them from the core of our hearts. So, we all end up discussing only here and actual implementation never happens. But, in actual, a little support from us can do wonders.
As Sumit said, our youth in villages (so is the case with many of 'em in urban areas as well) dont find a mentor to show them the way.
I know, it is always easier said than done. But, it has to start somewhere, someday. Unless we visit our roots, our villages and contribute back to them, their psychology can never change.
Pretty much matches what Sumit is yearning for (although unconsciously may be ) , MENTORING is something that has to be looked at seriosuly. We are lagging on tapping the resources and the human energy and capital we have at hand.I tried my level best to be away from this burning issue,but people's attitude made me loose my patience.
All those people who are being selfish(sorry for this word . i might b sounding too rude......but enough is enough) and say that JATS dont need reservation i just throw one challange to u.
LET YOUR CHILDREN STUDY IN VILLAGE GOVT. SCHOOLS FROM PRIMARY TO XII.LET YOUR CHILDREN MANAGE WITH THE SAME ENVIRONMENT WHICH KIDS IN VILLAGES GET.YOUR KIDS WILL STILL B ABLE TO CRACK CAT OR EVEN IAS(afterall u people have faith and guts).YOUR KIDS IN PRIVATE SCHOOLS MIGHT HAVE STARTED SPEAKING ENGLISH FROM THEIR INITIAL SCHOOLING AND HERE IN VILLAGE SCHOOLS A TOPPER OF FOUR VILLAGES CANT SPEAK CONTINUOSLY IN ENLISH EVEN FOR A MINUTE AND U EXPECT HIM TO SHOW GUTS AND FAITH TO CRACK CAT.LET YOUR CHILDREN DO THE SAME HOUSEHOLD WORK WHICH JAT KIDS DO IN VILLAGES FROM AGRICULTURE TO CATTLES.THAN ONLY THERE WILL BE EQUALITY OF OPPORTUNITIES.BETWEEN ALL THOSE WHO ARE AGINST RESERVATION AND THOSE WHO NEED IT.
Either take this challange or plz be quiet over this issue.If u cant understand and support your people dont creat problems for them.Dont be selfish, if u and ur kids dont require reservation because u have enough opportunities to progress, atleast think of the village kids who have .....NO EDUCATION....NO MOTIVATION.....NO GUIDANCE.
ANOTHER REQUESTlz dont start a debate on this thread whether we need reservation or not.No need to discuss abt the issue again and again.The only thing is either u think and understand the plight of rural jats or show enough guts to take the challange thrown by me.
Prove that u r a jat either by standing for ur people who are suffering in villages by supporting reservation OR by showing guts and taking up the challange.
NOTE:i know people might put qns regarding my views , so i m making it quiet clear.I m totally against reservation and support that it should be removed from my country, but if others are having than we too want it.
EITHER NO RESERVATION AT ALL OR RESERAVTION FOR JATS TOO.
Regards,
Sumit Dalal.
