Rs 3000 crore for a statue and just 700 crore for flood relief in J&K

[soroutvirender]

I agree its not a fair deal with J&K's flood victims.
Modi got in house with full majority and he was chosen by us. Even in Haryana they got power.
Only left parties can save nation.
In our democracy system we choose our representative, but nowadays we choose direct PM for our country.
Those who voted for Modi should ask from him and take stand.
We can only talk.

 

[sahij]

Kashmir still lacks infrastructure, Kashmir sill lacks education and basic amenities.

Much of India lacks that - though it is still a fact that kashmir is better than most parts of UP and Bihar - despite all the terrorist activities.

However, what is different is the fact that it is a muslim majority state, and thus they must put the blame on some outside entity so that they can continue with their jihad doctrine. If kashmir can't handle the pressure they shouldn't set the boiler on fire. If they have to, then deal with it. I have got no tears for them. Not interested in this empty rhetoric.

 

[sahij]

So why not allow plebiscite? What is wrong in it? If you boast so much about democracy then why to shy with plebiscite?

Why should we? Let them carry on with jihad, and suffer the consequences. And if they are good enough, than let them enjoy their freedom.

 

[vk23]

Much of India lacks that - though it is still a fact that kashmir is better than most parts of UP and Bihar - despite all the terrorist activities.

However, what is different is the fact that it is a muslim majority state, and thus they must put the blame on some outside entity so that they can continue with their jihad doctrine. If kashmir can't handle the pressure they shouldn't set the boiler on fire. If they have to, then deal with it. I have got no tears for them. Not interested in this empty rhetoric.

My friend you cannot control external pressure if you don't have enough power to handle it. Unless and until border problem is not solved, this terrority cannot progress at all. As two forces exert pressure on it, there is no way for Kashmir to handle that much pressure. Kashmir is very tiny compared to India and Pak. Therefore people in the state must decide their fate rather than two countries which are claiming it.

 

[sahij]

Unki jaan in pasio se jayda hai ya kam?

Come on dear brother, ager ye parwaha hi na hoti kashmir ki to yu hi hazaro ko kyun marne dete waha. Please change your thinking about Kashmir

This is just empty rhetoric. Promoters of kashmir should get together, and sell their properties and use the money to help out the kashmiris. I have got absolutely no problems with that. But I wouldn't want my hard earned money taxed so that it can fund terrorists and separatists to kill the army jawans of my country.

 

[vk23]

Why should we?

Why not? People of state must decide their fate not someone else.

 

[soroutvirender]

We need to take a stand what we want from our government and why we choose worst MP's from our constituency and later we criticize their work.
But when it comes to us, we choose according to us. We need a visionary government.
Only Left parties can save our nation.
Modi ji is selling everything, from water to oil PSU's to PSB's.
One report says Goa mining cause the exchanger 35000 crore, but other report says by stopping mining Govt. is losing 3000 crore annualy.

 

[vk23]

This is just empty rhetoric. Promoters of kashmir should get together, and sell their properties and use the money to help out the kashmiris. I have got absolutely no problems with that. But I wouldn't want my hard earned money taxed so that it can fund terrorists and separatists to kill the army jawans of my country.

Wow! On one hand you claim this territory and on the other you take off responsibility to manage it. Sabka Saath Sabka Vikas is then a empty hollow slogan!

 

[amankadian]

This is just empty rhetoric. Promoters of kashmir should get together, and sell their properties and use the money to help out the kashmiris. I have got absolutely no problems with that. But I wouldn't want my hard earned money taxed so that it can fund terrorists and separatists to kill the army jawans of my country.

Terrorism fault bhai shaab Indian govts ka 60 saal se. Lack of attention ye haal hua hai brother. 60 saal se Indian govt fail hui hai Kashmir ko puri traha se India main milne ka. ye uski result ka. Waha pe rhane wale common people ka kya kasur hai. jab govt hi un aklavadiyo or terrorists ko control na kar pai ho.

 

[amankadian]

We need to take a stand what we want from our government and why we choose worst MP's from our constituency and later we criticize their work.
But when it comes to us, we choose according to us. We need a visionary government.
Only Left parties can save our nation.
Modi ji is selling everything, from water to oil PSU's to PSB's.
One report says Goa mining cause the exchanger 35000 crore, but other report says by stopping mining Govt. is losing 3000 crore annualy.

Pro Private Business Party.........................Need donation for rss, bjp worker.

 

[sahij]

cannot control external pressure if you don't have enough power to handle it.

So why is that my problem again? They chose to carry out jihadi activities against my country in connivance with a not-so-friendly country. So they should bear the consequences.

Therefore people in the state must decide their fate rather than two countries which are claiming it.

I appreciate your acting as a spokesperson on behalf of the kashmiris. But, I am not considerate enough to give concessions to anybody who is waging war with me.

Why not? People of state must decide their fate not someone else.

Firstly, it is you who are asking for referendum and spending money on kashmiris not me. So you should explain why, and not me.
Secondly, I want a country for myself (preferably with some nukes) will you give it to me? And BTW, you don't even need a referendum for that, I have already told my opinion.

Wow! On one hand you claim this territory and on the other you take off responsibility to manage it. Sabka Saath Sabka Vikas is then a empty hollow slogan!

That is not my slogan, so you should ask people who have coined it. And just to reverse your argument, you ask for us to take responsibility, but at the same time you proclaim them independent.

 

[vk23]

So why is that my problem again? They chose to carry out jihadi activities against my country in connivance with a not-so-friendly country. So they should bear the consequences.



I appreciate your acting as a spokesperson on behalf of the kashmiris. But, I am not considerate enough to give concessions to anybody who is waging war with me.




Firstly, it is you who are asking for referendum and spending money on kashmiris not me. So you should explain why, and not me.
Secondly, I want a country for myself (preferably with some nukes) will you give it to me? And BTW, you don't even need a referendum for that, I have already told my opinion.




That is not my slogan, so you should ask people who have coined it. And just to reverse your argument, you ask for us to take responsibility, but at the same time you proclaim them independent.

My friend you are harping on the same logic over and again. If you make a claim on some territory then you also need to take a responsibility to manage it. And if you can't then don't claim it. Simple as that.

 

[sanjeev1984]

Please spend a rupee... buy and chew CentreFresh... jo sach mai jubaan pe lagaam lagata hai... and avoid speaking Bhushans of AAP (non-sense)...

Let people be free to decide their own fate. A country must not use muscle power to crush any freedom.

 

[sahij]

My friend you are harping on the same logic over and again. If you make a claim on some territory then you also need to take a responsibility to manage it. And if you can't then don't claim it. Simple as that.

Firstly, claiming a territory has got nothing to do with welfare of its people. Probably you need to read a bit of history.
Secondly, you conveniently skip what doesn't suit you or for which you have no arguments, so you are not even being logical.

 

[amankadian]

My friend you are harping on the same logic over and again. If you make a claim on some territory then you also need to take a responsibility to manage it. And if you can't then don't claim it. Simple as that.

It's something like that you have your own 4-5 home. And you live in one house but still you will keep clean other houses, you pay for renovation, cleaning, electricity etc. Because you considered them as yours.


other2hand Apke padosh main kisi or ghar hai or waha koi nhi rhata to aap uski kabi care nhi karoge. usko thod fhod ko aapne main milne ki Khosish karoge.

Sahib Jakhar

Bhai shaab kashmir ko India ka part hi nhi mante hai. to we can't help.... Bahut aye or gaye per Kashmir India ka hi rhega...

 

[sahij]

Bhai shaab kashmir ko India ka part hi nhi mante hai. to we can't help.... Bahut aye or gaye per Kashmir India ka hi rhega...

Putting words in my mouth won't give any force to your arguments. Kashmir is with India not because, but in spite of, promoters and apologists of separatists and terrorists.

 

[vk23]

Firstly, claiming a territory has got nothing to do with welfare of its people. Probably you need to read a bit of history.
Secondly, you conveniently skip what doesn't suit you or for which you have no arguments, so you are not even being logical.

Come on buddy. If you say, a state is an integral part of India then Union govt must take care of it. If it can't then its a reckless govt. Forget about the way territory was seized. People are happy to get out of these clutches and don't need any donations. They can live freely if one allow them to do so rather than exerting a force on them to forcefully accept which not acceptable. Such type of brute force will only damage a country. You cannot win hearts of people by suppressing them. It will prove counterproductive!

 

[amankadian]

Putting words in my mouth won't give any force to your arguments.

It's not arguments, Pray to god. BJP waha sarkar banye majority. or waha pe kuch management setup ho. Terrorist or alkawadiyo ke kalif. Jasie aap bol rhe ho ager uska asie hi chod diya to asie hi log marte rhege waha pe. Pakistan se Kashmir main terrorism banta rhega.

 

[sahij]

If you say, a state is an integral part of India then Union govt must take care of it.

For that to happen they should stop pelting army with stones who was anyway out there to help them. Stop calling for a bandh and observing it every time PM of this country goes there. Stop holding ISIS flags. Etc.
Till that happens no tears in my eyes for them.

 

[abhikrana]

Thanks to the Congress, the root problem with J&K is Article 370 which provides it a special status - its own constitution and laws. Most Indian laws do not apply there. This is despite stiff opposition by Sardar Patel to this special status being given to J&K. And since Independence, its always had a Muslim CM and majority of ministers instead of the people of Jammu or Ladakh.

Since independence, it is heavily funded by the Govt. through Indian tax payers' money. Most of the Kashmiris have strong anti-India feelings owing more than anything else to their religion. By choosing to take up arms at the instance of Pakistan or otherwise, they are biting the hand which feeds them.

Though floods in Srinagar and surrounding areas are unfortunate, let's not forget the regular funding of grants is still continuing besides the special package announced by the PM.

And by the way, what are the friends of Kashmiris on this site doing in their personal capacity for their Kashmiri friends? How much donation has been made by them? It is easy to commit the tax payers' money for others, but when it comes to our own pocket, we get stingy.

The response to the floods in Kashmir by the Indian govt. has been much better in comparison to the utter failure in Uttarakhand. Indian govt. needs to be complimented and commended for that. But naysayers will always criticize for one or the other thing.

Hearts and minds of the Kashmiris can never be won in a lifetime without giving them Kashmir. This part of the Pakistani strategy of giving India a thousand wounds and dismembering it step by step. It's highly objectionable that some members here are advocating right of self-determination for Kashmiris which would for sure lead to India losing Kashmir and despite the fact that this is against the stated position of India.

With people here supporting such dangerous Pakistani and the anti-India Kashmiri stance, anti India forces could not ask for more. Appalling!!