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Advani is taking the Indian polity back to the medieval ages. Monarchs used to marshal the “ instrument of God” argument to rule over their subjects. This is the new millennium and Advani is talking medieval language. If that is not dangerous, what is? Religiosityand fundamentalism are not coterminous. Most of the Hindus are religious but not fundamentalists. Since long India is a country of different cultures and religions, all living together with dignity and respect for each other. To divide people in the name of religion will be dangerous for the country.

R.S.Dahiya
 
I agree with you Dahiya Ji,

Religion should not be mixed with the politics. I would say that we should not even publicise religion. It should be some thing confined to home or at best the local communities.

As far as politics is concerned, any one practicing it on the basis or religion whethe Hindu or Muslim or any one else, should be ignored. But unfortunately in our country caste plays bigger factor than religion. How do we get rid of that tendency. Why the qualification alone can't be the measure of person's ability.

BJP came to power once on the basis of religion. I don't think they can repeat it again. The main criteria should be the performance. Unfortunately on this issue most of the governments have failed.
 
I agree that religion/caste shouldn't be a part of politics, whats required is a sense of nationalism. We seriously require a hitler to expunge these corrupt politicians, and I mean all of them not just BJP. I wont exclude congress or any other so called 'SECULAR' parties from it, because if BJP is asking votes on the name of hinduism, congress is asking on being 'anti-hindu' (well thats the different case that they use 'secular' word, perhaps euphemism), so religion always appears, we should eliminate this, not BJP.

First thing required for this is to eliminate all caste based reservation (jats included !!), and makes a policy that no reservation would be done on the basis of caste/religion. Once such policy is formulated, no one can actually ask for reservation. Offcourse we need a strong leader to make such a change, to change the mentality , to infuse nationalism.

BJP never came into power on the basis of religion, thats the problem with congress being in power for 50 years, anything for hindu is non-secular, and anything for muslims is secular, if muslims vote for muslim league/congress thats still OK, but hindus voting for BJP is non-secular and against nation !!!, I even dont consider BJP as a hindu party, it still adopted the usual appeasement approach. but anyway thats not the point of discussion. I wonder what does it mean when the present govt cleared 75000 haz permits as against the usual figure of 10000 this year, perhaps now we need to pay more taxes for the air-flight of our secular indians.


dahiyars said:
Most of the Hindus are religious but not fundamentalists. Since long India is a country of different cultures and religion
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Since when? as far as I know, it was a hindu nation and then muslims invaded it. and please note indians were opposed to the invasion, so this famous quote that ' since long india is a country of different religions' is all farce, if you look in our history, sikh gurus gave there life against muslim rulers/conversion, nobody accepted muslims peacefully, but then when they were beaten then just to hide the cowardliness, they coined this quote, Instead of using it as compliment, I think we should feel shame in saying this, it means that anyone was free to invade india and impose some 'secular ideas'. But our textbooks are all full of praise for such a thing, i wonder why!!

Offcourse we dont want the ideas that advani/VHP is propagating, but we also dont need congress, so vote for military rule, I hope our army is quite capable of eliminating our secular and hindu politicians.

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Abhishek
 
Hi Abhishek Sahab,

Oh my God! such deadly ideas and philosophies. You are arguing for a leader like Hitler ,I guess that won't resolve the problem.
I agree with your comment about reservation policies , now it is difficult to completely abolish it ,but sure change like reservation based on economic conditions rather than caste could be made,which will possibly get rid of hidden hate among people of different castes.
Regards,
Renu
 
Dear Renu,

When you make reservations, you discriminate people. I agree with the idea of reservations on economic basis, but the proof of economic weakness would be sold by the powers those may be. That is the problem, with the system. I feel, any kind of quota, reservations gives rise to corruption. Rationing of any thing has led to corruption.

I personally feel that we could give opportunities to poor to study, by giving them free tuition and books, but to say, making any reservations whether in getting admission to the professional institutions or in jobs, will lead to corruption. I feel, merit and intellect of an individual should be the only criteria.

Having said that, I think we have diverted the topic from BJP's problem to reservations.
 
Dear Renu
in my eyes the best solution of the problem of reservation is to give the reservation to all the communities. Then no single community may left without reservation. so in this way the fight for reservation may be disappear.
 
The whole issue of secularism and casteim has been so distorted that at least I am not able to understand it. If somebody talks of the welfare of hindus, he is fundamentalist. If you talk of the welfare of Muslims and other religious cross sections, you are secular. Meaning, if you are pro-muslims you are secular, even if you are burning sikhs alive or killing dalits in Bihar. On the other hand, if you tell pro-Pakistan elements to respect India and behave like Indians, you are fundamentalist and enemy of secularism; if a Hindu talks of Hindu, he is a RSS, VHP, Shiv Sena man whereas if a muslim, christian even if decries Hinduism, is still secular. What a farce ! The Congress leaders have always got the votes claiming to be seculars, but it is a pity that nobody dared to ask them as to where does the Hindus fit in secularism. If, being a Hindu, you tolerate all kinds of nonsense and wrongdoings of the people belonging to other religious groups, you are a secular. If you dare to question them, you are a fundamentalist. Wah.. wah.. If a few hundred people die in Gujarat, so much hue and cry and fundamentalist Hindus are to be blamed. When thousands of Hindus die in Kashmir or Punjab, there is always a "videsh takat ka haath" and deshi takat becomes impotent. Nobody has to bothered, be it BJP or Congress as to how many Hindus died in Gujarat. Why, because no one want to be branded fundamentalist by talking of Hindus.

If some jat says "I am jat" or if a jat leader has following among his own caste, he is castist, whereas a Jagjivan Ram, a Ram Vilas Paswan or Mayawati are dalit leaders but not castists. Fail to understand. Very difficult. Could someone explain?

To me the biggest fundamentalist and castist is the Government of India, no matter whoever is ruling, as they institutionalise the religion and caste by making the citizens disclose their religion and caste in all applications and other documents. If you want to be real secular, stop selection in Government jobs on the basis of caste and make it totally merit based. All kinds of reservations should be done away with.
 
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Dear Friends,

If a disease like cancer is not prevented and then detected early, it simply kills. Some of the ills in society being discussed here fall exactly under similar cataogry. We have allowed them to grow literally beyond any cure.

However, the main point is, who will perform radical social surgery ? A Hitler type person or some lenin or Mao type person ? I am not quite sure as Hitler could not do so except killing few million jews. Mao's China is again coming back to capatalism. Lenin's Russia is again back to a type of Czars.

In my view the best approach is, do nothing and let the nature take care of it. Indian population mass is so high that it has a massive momentum even if it is slow moving. In all the so called ills of society, we can still see the new hopes emerging. Might be, the healthy tissues in Indian body have learned how to survive in the mass of deadly cancerous tissues..We can take a clue from this and think of devising the cure. Let us resist all so called social evils around us and help to grow the mass of healthy social tissues..I am not sure if any radical approach will be helpful to India, as that may kill even whatever healthy stuff we are left with..

Rajendra
 
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