Same Caste Marriages Violence

[guliya]

Wednesday, June 15, 2005 (Harodi):


In a medieval act, the panchayat in the village of Harodi in Haryana has threatened to kill Veerpal because he has married a girl of the same gotra or sub-caste.

His family is standing by him but the panchayat continues its ostracism of Veerpal and his relatives.

The village, which is situated on the Rajasthan border, is largely dominated by people of the Sheoran gotra.

"He is not living in the village. He lives with relatives outside, he is scared to stay here," says Ishwar Singh, a villager.

Marred by caste

The village panchayat ostracised Veerpal after he got married to Sonu, whose mother is a Sheoran.

Though Veerpal himself is from the Maan gotra, by an unwritten village rule, the Maans in Harodi are all considered part of the Sheoran gotra.

So when Veerpal got married to Sonu, the panchayat took it as a marriage within the same gotra and ordered his father to disown him.

"They told me to throw him out of my house and that I should tell him not to come back to the village," says Chander Singh, Veerpal's father.

Court intervention

After Singh refused to disown his son, the panchayat ostracised the entire family and asked them to leave the village.

They were asked to pay Rs 50 for each day if they stayed in the village. The panchayat also banned other villagers from interacting with the family.

Jaipal, a cousin of Veerpal who continued to visit Veerpal's house, was threatened and asked to pay a fine of Rs 21,000. Jaipal approached the Punjab and Haryana HC seeking protection.

"We approached the court and told them that we feared that our lives were in danger," says Jaipal, petitioner.

The panchayat has also gone on the offensive. They have increased the fine on Veerpal's family to Rs 100 per day and have threatened to kill him if he is seen in the village.

Fortunately, the High Court has now asked the local police to provide protection to the family.

 

[raj2rif]

When the Panchayat does not have to any thing else, they would do such things. It is very unfortunate. The Panchayat should consider on improving the living conditions of the village, should fine who spread dirt in the village or who don't keep their areas clean rather than indulging in personal matters of the families.

God help them and God help our community.

 

[danarambeerda]

Wednesday, June 15, 2005 (Harodi):


In a medieval act, the panchayat in the village of Harodi in Haryana has threatened to kill Veerpal because he has married a girl of the same gotra or sub-caste.

His family is standing by him but the panchayat continues its ostracism of Veerpal and his relatives.

The village, which is situated on the Rajasthan border, is largely dominated by people of the Sheoran gotra.

"He is not living in the village. He lives with relatives outside, he is scared to stay here," says Ishwar Singh, a villager.

Marred by caste

The village panchayat ostracised Veerpal after he got married to Sonu, whose mother is a Sheoran.

Though Veerpal himself is from the Maan gotra, by an unwritten village rule, the Maans in Harodi are all considered part of the Sheoran gotra.

So when Veerpal got married to Sonu, the panchayat took it as a marriage within the same gotra and ordered his father to disown him.

"They told me to throw him out of my house and that I should tell him not to come back to the village," says Chander Singh, Veerpal's father.

Court intervention

After Singh refused to disown his son, the panchayat ostracised the entire family and asked them to leave the village.

They were asked to pay Rs 50 for each day if they stayed in the village. The panchayat also banned other villagers from interacting with the family.

Jaipal, a cousin of Veerpal who continued to visit Veerpal's house, was threatened and asked to pay a fine of Rs 21,000. Jaipal approached the Punjab and Haryana HC seeking protection.

"We approached the court and told them that we feared that our lives were in danger," says Jaipal, petitioner.

The panchayat has also gone on the offensive. They have increased the fine on Veerpal's family to Rs 100 per day and have threatened to kill him if he is seen in the village.

Fortunately, the High Court has now asked the local police to provide protection to the family.

What i heard and read from media that veerpal did not get married a girl of same gotra, he avoided 4 gotra's as we all jat do, veerpal's gotra is maan & the village where veerpal and his parents lives has majority of shivran gotra and that girl who veerpal got married her mother is shivran, so the shivran gotra panchayat does not accept this marriage, and i think this is completely unfair...haryan's jat have to work hard to eradicate such unsocial customes......i heard that such incidence take place very often in haryana but few of them come out in media.

 

[scsheorayan]

What i heard and read from media that veerpal did not get married a girl of same gotra, he avoided 4 gotra's as we all jat do, veerpal's gotra is maan & the village where veerpal and his parents lives has majority of shivran gotra and that girl who veerpal got married her mother is shivran, so the shivran gotra panchayat does not accept this marriage, and i think this is completely unfair...haryan's jat have to work hard to eradicate such unsocial customes......i heard that such incidence take place very often in haryana but few of them come out in media.

Dana Ram ji,
Thanks for the enlightenment. However if four Gotras were avoided then it is unfair on the part of Panchayat to make such an issue. If only girl's mother is a sheoran then Sheorans in that village have no legitimate right or objection. There has to be a hidden agenda and there is more to this story than reported in the press. If some one on this site is privy to additional information it may throw some more light on it. Hate to see sany jats as villains in some one's life and that too sheoran.

 

[rohittewatia]

Wednesday, June 15, 2005 (Harodi):


In a medieval act, the panchayat in the village of Harodi in Haryana has threatened to kill Veerpal because he has married a girl of the same gotra or sub-caste.

His family is standing by him but the panchayat continues its ostracism of Veerpal and his relatives.

The village, which is situated on the Rajasthan border, is largely dominated by people of the Sheoran gotra.

"He is not living in the village. He lives with relatives outside, he is scared to stay here," says Ishwar Singh, a villager.

Marred by caste

The village panchayat ostracised Veerpal after he got married to Sonu, whose mother is a Sheoran.

Though Veerpal himself is from the Maan gotra, by an unwritten village rule, the Maans in Harodi are all considered part of the Sheoran gotra.

So when Veerpal got married to Sonu, the panchayat took it as a marriage within the same gotra and ordered his father to disown him.

"They told me to throw him out of my house and that I should tell him not to come back to the village," says Chander Singh, Veerpal's father.

Court intervention

After Singh refused to disown his son, the panchayat ostracised the entire family and asked them to leave the village.

They were asked to pay Rs 50 for each day if they stayed in the village. The panchayat also banned other villagers from interacting with the family.

Jaipal, a cousin of Veerpal who continued to visit Veerpal's house, was threatened and asked to pay a fine of Rs 21,000. Jaipal approached the Punjab and Haryana HC seeking protection.

"We approached the court and told them that we feared that our lives were in danger," says Jaipal, petitioner.

The panchayat has also gone on the offensive. They have increased the fine on Veerpal's family to Rs 100 per day and have threatened to kill him if he is seen in the village.

Fortunately, the High Court has now asked the local police to provide protection to the family.

Aajkaal kih panchayat main panch kaam aur naalayak jyada haiin...jinki nek adaaton maiin gaon key sarvajanik fund main sey chori karna, apane padh kah galat durupyog karna aur apani apasi ranjiesh key karan dusre logon koh saatana...

Aur kamzour koh saata key apane aap ko Shenshaah samaajhna...Bhala itane hih insaaf key thekedaar haiin toh ussey kyoun naheen ulaajhte jiske 5-7 pehalwaan ladke haiin.

Agaar Harodi gaon kah aik bhi panch, sarpanch, yah anya grameen idhar member hai yah unake rishtedaaron main sey koiih hai toh bhaiya unh taak yeh message pahuncha doh kih khuudkhushi karlo...aur nah kar saako toh chup chap apani poonch apani tango main deylo.

 

[positivelook]

hello alll

As according to me panchayat mein jo log hain woh sirf yeh jaante hain ki kisi ki life hell kaise karni hai ussse jyada woh na jaante hain na jannana chahtein hain kyonki woh 21st century mein nahi hain woh toh apna rag alapna jaante hain.

This is really a serious problem for Jat community and we have to get out from this otherwise this will ruin countless lifes.

Abhimanyu
Jats!the real tigers.

 

[raj_rathee]

I could be wrong here, but my understanding is that the Panchayat
(at least the Sarpanch) is an elected entity. In that sense it is not
much different from our members of parliament, who are the elected
representatives of the people and hence have been authorised by the
people to create laws etc that we abide by. The theory here is that
since they were elected by a majority of the people, ( and hence
are working in accordance with the desires of this majority, and of
course, our constitution) the laws they pass are agreeable to this
majority.

Similarly, by implication, the panchayat being an elected entity represents
the wishes of the people of the village. Its actions represents the desires
of the people who vote for them.

Of course, this is a bit of a theoretical argument and subject to
the criticism of the system itself, but as it stands all we
can say is that the panchayat is doing what is agreeable to the villagers whom they represent.

So if anything, the issue is really the people themselves, and not
the Panchayat.

 

[rohittewatia]

I could be wrong here, but my understanding is that the Panchayat
(at least the Sarpanch) is an elected entity. In that sense it is not
much different from our members of parliament, who are the elected
representatives of the people and hence have been authorised by the
people to create laws etc that we abide by. The theory here is that
since they were elected by a majority of the people, ( and hence
are working in accordance with the desires of this majority, and of
course, our constitution) the laws they pass are agreeable to this
majority.

Similarly, by implication, the panchayat being an elected entity represents
the wishes of the people of the village. Its actions represents the desires
of the people who vote for them.

Of course, this is a bit of a theoretical argument and subject to
the criticism of the system itself, but as it stands all we
can say is that the panchayat is doing what is agreeable to the villagers whom they represent.

So if anything, the issue is really the people themselves, and not
the Panchayat.

Rathee sahab,
Gaon main normally iss taraah houta hai...akeyli families kam hi houti hain aur jyadataar badde kunbe houte haiin. Abh jis taraf kunbe kah rujhaan rahega yah ussih kunbe kah koiih vyakti agaar ummedvaar hai toh voh jeet jayega...Yeh baat aamtour per koiih mayane naheen rakhtee if a right person is also contesting. Majority will always vote for the Kunbe kah member.

Aur raahi baat sarpanch kihto...usmen minorities kih vote will always go to the guy who gives them free alchohol n lends them money. If this kunba is having ill relations with some family...What is a better chance than like this thing happened...Just make a big issue out of it. Aur Panchayat kih Audh leyke apana ulluh seedha karte haiin.

Aur haan, apaki photu key peeche bhens bhi marakhni naheen haii...

 

[raj_rathee]

Rohit, Agree with all that u say...but again, it still is representating the
people who vote for it...whatever the setup is.

But, anyways, I am not disputing your observations. They are very true.
My relatives have been Sarpanches. So seen all that myself.

Did not get what you meant by the "marakhni" ?....marne waali bhains ?

Vaise ya itni buri na sae. Aagle waali ka naam sae, Phulo, err pacchle aali ka
sae Gulabo. Jad tae munnae iss tae Amreeka tae phone kar ka bataaya tha
ke Mansi iska sketch banaawegi tae ya raaji reh sae. Do kilo dudh bhi
faaltooo den laagi.

Bera na Mansi sketch banaawegi ya na. Lekin Phulo nae na mila tae bhundi
dhala chingar jaagi. Phir tae laagae sae doodh bhi mol lena padega.

Rathee sahab,
Gaon main normally iss taraah houta hai...akeyli families kam hi houti hain aur jyadataar badde kunbe houte haiin. Abh jis taraf kunbe kah rujhaan rahega yah ussih kunbe kah koiih vyakti agaar ummedvaar hai toh voh jeet jayega...Yeh baat aamtour per koiih mayane naheen rakhtee if a right person is also contesting. Majority will always vote for the Kunbe kah member.

Aur raahi baat sarpanch kihto...usmen minorities kih vote will always go to the guy who gives them free alchohol n lends them money. If this kunba is having ill relations with some family...What is a better chance than like this thing happened...Just make a big issue out of it. Aur Panchayat kih Audh leyke apana ulluh seedha karte haiin.

Aur haan, apaki photu key peeche bhens bhi marakhni naheen haii...