Sealing Problem in Delhi

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Bhai Delhi aale jaton kimme kha ke so rei ho ke jaag jao , Ye MCD arr Court aale tei ghar mein ghuss ghuss ke todd-fodd karan laag rei hain.

Kaal mhare ude Lado Sarai mein badd ge the bhai gaam mein tei kisse ne badan na diye per bhar tei 1 bhai ka ghar todd ge arr ek naya banan laag rhya makaan bhi fodd ge.

Kuch solution likad lyo bhai kimme maha sabha , maha panchyat katthi karo , na tei sabke ghar futt lenge.

arr aur kuch baski na sei tei jitne politics mein sein sare milke sarkar ne ger lyo. sab apni support hata lyo sare netaon ki gel tei , ye susre kyanye kaam ke konya.
 
Bhai Let me enlighten you with the truth

Worldbank is giving 24000 crore to Delhi for its upliftment for commenwealth games, but ofcourse Delhi governtment has to be answerable for it to use it.

I dont think governtment is doing anything wrong by removing illegal structures, it is for our good only. We would be the 1st one to say we live in Delhi, the best city in the world.

People knew it in begining that what they are doing is not right, still they ignored the warnings and rules and built their business in non commercial areas.
Now why such a hue n cry when govt. is doing the right thing for the 1st time ever in regards to land?

Boye kaante babool ke to phool kahan se hoye?
 
Secondly, these exersice will continue no matter how much people revolt because every political party wants this to happen.

Did you notice that BJP is taking a backstand on this, and neither congress is passing an amendment in Loksabha

Bhaio pahli baar to ye votebankki rajniti se pare ek kaam hora hai ho len do ne, mhare hi fayeda ka hai
 
sejwaldeepak said:
Bhai Delhi aale jaton kimme kha ke so rei ho ke jaag jao , Ye MCD arr Court aale tei ghar mein ghuss ghuss ke todd-fodd karan laag rei hain.

Kaal mhare ude Lado Sarai mein badd ge the bhai gaam mein tei kisse ne badan na diye per bhar tei 1 bhai ka ghar todd ge arr ek naya banan laag rhya makaan bhi fodd ge.

Kuch solution likad lyo bhai kimme maha sabha , maha panchyat katthi karo , na tei sabke ghar futt lenge.

arr aur kuch baski na sei tei jitne politics mein sein sare milke sarkar ne ger lyo. sab apni support hata lyo sare netaon ki gel tei , ye susre kyanye kaam ke konya.
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Strange! Deepak..why do you support illegal constructions? If the sealing drive is backed by court, why we are opposing it? Why don't we want our towns in good shape. Those who constructed some building illegally should be punished. It'll be a good lesson for future law offenders. Delhi has wide roads but encrochments make these look like narrow streets. I fully support this sealing drive as long as it is as per Delhi Master plan and governed by court.
 
We donot have Double Standreds...!!!

Such posts are not expected from a moderator...asking to support the illigal construction. Let it be corrected as people have already enjoyed it.

we donot have any double standreds to support any illigal construction be it of Jats or some other cast...we can support the court rulling not an unethical call.

Bhai vo makan jab galat tareeke se bane the tab maha sabha ya maha panchayat se NOC thoda liya tha enhone. Galat kam kiya to bhugto esko.

So Deepak bhai...aram se tamasha dekh...it's better to be late than never and we should be happy that corrections have been started.
 
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nothing like that

navin ji i am not supporting the illegal cons. but the matter is they are using their power in wrong way. like " genhun ke sath ghunn bhi pista hai " for doing business in non commercial this is the best activity going on in capital now a days. but for the residancial areas MCD officials starts demolition work inside the village boundary ( also known as lal dora) which has been created by MCD or Court after land aquition and told the villagers within the boundary all land has been given to villagers.

But now they are moving inside the villages and starts demolition in most of the villages in which a huge amount of buildings never got any notice from MCD.

This is the main point i have raised. In past time later in 1959 they have taken all the land for land aquition. as per the below letter......

F.15(iii)/59/LSG1100

13/11/1959

LADO SARAI

Work Housing & Supply
FOR


PUBLICATION IN PART IV OF DELHI EXTRA ORDINARY GAZETTE

GOVERNMENT OF THE NATIONAL CAPITAL TERRITORY OF DELHI

LAND & BUILDING DEPARTMENT : VIKAS BHAWAN : NEW DELHI

No. F.15(iii)/59/LSG1100


Dated :-13/11/1959


NOTIFICATION

Whereas it appears to the Lt. Governer, Delhi that the land is likely to be required to be taken by the Government at the public expense for a public purpose namely for Large Scale acquisition of land in Delhi.. it is hereby notified that the land in the locality described below is likely to be acquired for the above purpose.

The notification is made, under the provision of Sub-section 1 of Section 4 of the Land Acquisition Act, 1894, to all whom it may concern.

In excercise of the powers conferred by the aforesaid section, the Lt. Governer, Delhi is pleased to authorise the Officers for the time being engaged in the undertaking with their servants and workmen to enter upon and survey the land in the locality and do all other acts required or permitted by that section.

Map showing the boundaries of the covered by the notification is available for inspection in the office of the Land Acquisition Collector (LAC SOUTH)


they have taken our land in very cheap rate @50 paisa. and most of the cases for the muawaja are still in the court. now we have made some income in the rent and they are putting their bloody rules on it.

may be i m wrong but kehte hain na " dard usi ko hota hai jiska ghar jalta hai" i don't know abt my house may be it ll be a part of the demolition or not but it is the matter of everybody not even a single home or a particular area.
 
shamshermalik said:
Such posts are not expected from a moderator...asking to support the illigal construction. Let it be corrected as people have already enjoyed it.

we donot have any double standreds to support any illigal construction be it of Jats or some other cast...we can support the court rulling not an unethical call.

Bhai vo makan jab galat tareeke se bane the tab maha sabha ya maha panchayat se NOC thoda liya tha enhone. Galat kam kiya to bhugto esko.

So Deepak bhai...aram se tamasha dekh...it's better to be late than never and we should be happy that corrections have been started.
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Dr. Sahab double standards ki to koi bat nahi hai,, maan lijiye main Mod. nahi hota and ye post karta tab bhi aap yehi bat karte kya?

sabko apni bat kehne ka pura haqk hota ha chahe wo koi bhi ho. mujhe jo thik laga maine keh diya appko jo thik laga aapne keh diya.. but sir yahan mods ki to koi bat nahi hui thi , to khamakha sabhi mods ko ku bich mein khinch ke le aaye aap unko apna kaam karne dijiye.:)
 
sejwaldeepak said:
Dr. Sahab double standards ki to koi bat nahi hai,, maan lijiye main Mod. nahi hota and ye post karta tab bhi aap yehi bat karte kya?

sabko apni bat kehne ka pura haqk hota ha chahe wo koi bhi ho. mujhe jo thik laga maine keh diya appko jo thik laga aapne keh diya.. but sir yahan mods ki to koi bat nahi hui thi , to khamakha sabhi mods ko ku bich mein khinch ke le aaye aap unko apna kaam karne dijiye.:)
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full support on this to Mr. Editor
 
shamshermalik said:
Such posts are not expected from a moderator...asking to support the illigal construction. Let it be corrected as people have already enjoyed it.

we donot have any double standreds to support any illigal construction be it of Jats or some other cast...we can support the court rulling not an unethical call.
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Kyoon Bhai Shamsher, moderators ne koyi paap kiya hai kya? Those of us who have not lived in Delhi metropolis area or have no relatives there, do not understand the plight of Jat community of Delhi. Their lands have been snatched long ago, at prices of less than one rupee a yard, the conditions of villages were never allowed to be improved by Bania-Punjabi nexus. Madan Lal Khurana, during his Chief Ministership, never visited Bawana village but paid several visits to nearby Narela which has sizeable population of Banias and Punjabis. The animosity of this lobby towards Sahib Singh Verma is well known. Only Saheb Singh took some initiatives to improve the conditions of villages in Delhi.

Today, all the villages in Delhi are technically 'illegal', because they have not been designed according to modern housing norms. When other castes including business lobby, are raising voices against this move of Delhi Admn., what is the harm if Jats also raise voice? It does not mean that we are in favour of those who are in illegal construction business. Those of us sitting abroad are not fully aware of ground realities of Delhi's localities.
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Bhai Deepak sach thoda kadva hota hai...meri baat ka boora mat maan. Agar court wale sath hain to es baat ka pata logon ko pahle se tha phir wo court kyon nahin gaye...court raat me to order nikalta nahin or ye seiling to mahino se chali aa rahi hai. Goanwale kya soch ke soye rahe ki jab taale wale aavange to maha sabha bulaa layan ge...bhai maha sabha bhi aa jaagi..par fayada koi naa hona..do char maha sabha wale contempt of court me ander hon jaavenge...or seiling agar court ka order hai to chalti rahvagi..esko ab sirf court hi rok sakta hai.

Mujhe ek baat samajh naa aai jab aisa seiling ka rolaa tha to ye gaon wale kahan the ab tak...yaa phir yahi entjaar tha ki jaise hi kuch gadbad ho maha sabha nai gaseet lo...ab tak court jaate to or agar ye seiling galat hai to court esko rok deta...agar ye log court nahin gaye to eska matlab enko pata hai hai ye construction galat hai or court nahin rokega.

To bhai ye seiling wale mere hisab se seiling karne aaye hai gaon ko dusri jagah bhejne nahin or jo seiling ho rahi hai wo sirf un jagah ki ho rahi jahan par unauthorised construction hai.

Baaki jahan tak baat hai mods ki to bhai aap mods hain or mere khyal se aisa post galat hai...main esme aap ko dosh nahin de raha hoon..main sirf apne veecharon ki abhivayakti kar raha hoon.

Leaders should lead by an example.



sejwaldeepak said:
Dr. Sahab double standards ki to koi bat nahi hai,, maan lijiye main Mod. nahi hota and ye post karta tab bhi aap yehi bat karte kya?

sabko apni bat kehne ka pura haqk hota ha chahe wo koi bhi ho. mujhe jo thik laga maine keh diya appko jo thik laga aapne keh diya.. but sir yahan mods ki to koi bat nahi hui thi , to khamakha sabhi mods ko ku bich mein khinch ke le aaye aap unko apna kaam karne dijiye.:)
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dndeswal said:
Kyoon Bhai Shamsher, moderators ne koyi paap kiya hai kya?
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Bhai Deswal vo mere veecharon ki abhivayakti thi..moreover I have used MODERATOR not MODERATORS.

Ab hamare andar kuch log kahte hain Nano city Hooda govt ka bahut achha project hai...main bhi unme shamil hoon par vo log jinki jameen saste bhav jayegi vo to nahin kahenge.
Bhai ab development hogi to kuch to khona padega...ab SEZ main bhi kitne jaaton ki jameen gayee saste bhav ab ek naya Nano City aa raha hai wahan bhi kafi jaaton ki jameen saste bhav jaayegi. Do char project or aa rahe hain wahan bhi jayegi...aab chahe Congress govt ko ro lo , yaa BJP ko yaa Chautala ko. Lekin ye tol mol to tabhi ho sakta tha jab jamin aquire ki thi. Aisa hi ek sawal maine dusre thread me bhi uthaya tha.


and to say the truth if we donot follow the court orders then who will maintain the law and orders. Those sitting in the honourable courts are not illitrate people. If it's a court order then their must be something fissy in the construction...and if so then what to do.
 
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Dr. Sahaab

sach to hamesha kadwa laage hai jisa ki DN uncle ne kahya hai door baithe manasan ne ke bera ground level ki bat ke sei,, arr main pehlam hi keh rhya tha '' dard usi ke hoya kare hai jiska ghr jale hai""

rahi gaam aaleyan ki bat tei wei bhi pehlam aapki terah hi kehen the jib court ne business activity aur encroch.. ka order diya tha ,, arr laal dore ke baksh diye the.. sabne sochi thi chal bhai ibb hum thik sein.. per ibb pher order aaya to sab activity badh gi hain..
 
Bhai Dayanand and Deepak...Do not take it that way...I look at you guys as the followers of the law of land so i did not expect that one of you will ask to stand against the court orders...so simple.

and the reason I said seiling should continue because on one hand in posts we discuss that the govt is playing a vote politics and if these are the court orders then obeviously court has nothing to gain from it and its not a vote politics. So it looks like the construction is illigal.

There is so much chaois in Delhi due to illigal construction and business outlets and everyone who did illigal construction new it but ignored it.
If you think that we should support the illigal construction done delibrately then its fine lets be with you just for the sake of it...but nothing is going to stop it.

Court knows that if it stops this seiling work today then the future constructions will also ignore the law and this problem will continue.

And if you still think that I am wrong than take my support with you...i will support you what you will say but atleast let me express myself.

Regards,
Shamsher
 
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Respected members, i fully agree with Deswal ji..
But i am surprised why the prominent jat leaders of Delhi are quiet..
Neither Sahib Singh nor Sajjan Kumar are raising their voices aginst the demolition in the villages..:confused: Afterall Commonwealth Games are not going to be played in the Villages.. these would mostly be played at the banks of river yamuna.. at commonwealth games village site. which is already over crowded i.e. EAST OF DELHI..
HAd government been serious enough then such games would have taken place in WEST or SOUTH WEST DELHI.. as there is plenty of land available over here for development..But as the Chief Minister and her Son both belongs to East Delhi they are both busy in developing East Delhi..You can see numerous flyovers underpasses being developed over there to connect it to the main delhi, despite plenty of available land in West and South West of Delhi..nearer to airport.

As far as sealing is concerned, i have few questions to the Government..

Q1. Where was the government when these unauthorised construction and commercial activity started taking place ??

Q2. Why did Government fail to provide commercial Space (office & Shops) to the people,if it acquired large chunks of land of innocent villagers ??

Q3. When Govt has decided now to demolish these, can Government provide Jobs, Employment to all those who have suffered directly and indirectly??

Q4. Is there any ready to move in Commercial Space for the Government for lakhs of establishment who can shift their office in weeks time (Except Shopping Malls which have come up in last year or so..)??

Q5. What has government done to improve TRAFFIC SITUATION in delhi, which is worst in India.??

So my dear friends the problem is not illegal construction or commercial activities, it is rather failed government policies which should have been framed according to EXPLOSIVE POPULATION OF DELHI.. Plannig shold be such so as to predict..about future generations requirement and needs..

It is good that Govt is hosting Commonwealth Games.. But Government could have hosted such games at any suburbs located outside the City Limits so that that region could also be developed into a World class city.thus, controlling the migrants to enter into Delhi and putting less strain on already collapsed city civic resources(Water, Air, Power, Roads...)

Thus Government should see the plight and misery of an ordinary common man of Delhi...

Sumit Choudhary
 
Dr. Sahaab

we are not at all against the court orders and law of indian pannel code but we are expressing our views thats all.

magar main un insaanon mein sei hun ho agar koi bat buri lage ya galat lage to muh pe keh dete hain , pith piche burai karne ki aadat nahi, mujhe aapki mods double standard wali bat buri lagi, kuki maine ek normal member ki terah apne view rakhe the yahan aur kuch galat bhi nahi kaha , ye bat delhi ke jat behtar samjh sakte hain jinke sath ye prob ho rahi hai. magar aapne jo mods ka issue banaya mujhe galat laga aur maine aapko reply kiya aur mujhe lagta hai isi bat sei DN uncle bhi iss thread mein ghuss gaye honge.. kuki bewajeh agar hum sab mods ko bich mein ghasit ke layenge to bura to lagega hi.
 
shamshermalik said:
Bhai Deswal vo mere veecharon ki abhivayakti thi..moreover I have used MODERATOR not MODERATORS.


and to say the truth if we donot follow the court orders then who will maintain the law and orders. Those sitting in the honourable courts are not illitrate people. If it's a court order then their must be something fissy in the construction...and if so then what to do.
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Yes, those sitting in courts are not illiterate people - but they are ignorant and away from ground realities. There have been many instances when courts have passed orders, overpassing their own earlier orders. How many of those sitting in courts are from rural background? They have not descended here from heaven. And in India, there is very thin line between "illegal" and 'legal' construction. So much of illegal construction is going on around Delhi and after some years, there will be orders to remove this. Actually, there is no central authority to check all this. Business lobby and political bosses allow it to happen and after some years, action is initiated - 'jab paani sir se gujar jaaye'.

All villagers inside Delhi, not just Jats, should unite - to save themselves from this political-business caucus.
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sejwaldeepak said:
navin ji i am not supporting the illegal cons. but the matter is they are using their power in wrong way. like " genhun ke sath ghunn bhi pista hai " for doing business in non commercial this is the best activity going on in capital now a days. but for the residancial areas MCD officials starts demolition work inside the village boundary ( also known as lal dora) which has been created by MCD or Court after land aquition and told the villagers within the boundary all land has been given to villagers.

But now they are moving inside the villages and starts demolition in most of the villages in which a huge amount of buildings never got any notice from MCD.

This is the main point i have raised. In past time later in 1959 they have taken all the land for land aquition. as per the below letter......

F.15(iii)/59/LSG1100

13/11/1959

LADO SARAI

Work Housing & Supply
FOR


PUBLICATION IN PART IV OF DELHI EXTRA ORDINARY GAZETTE

GOVERNMENT OF THE NATIONAL CAPITAL TERRITORY OF DELHI

LAND & BUILDING DEPARTMENT : VIKAS BHAWAN : NEW DELHI

No. F.15(iii)/59/LSG1100


Dated :-13/11/1959


NOTIFICATION

Whereas it appears to the Lt. Governer, Delhi that the land is likely to be required to be taken by the Government at the public expense for a public purpose namely for Large Scale acquisition of land in Delhi.. it is hereby notified that the land in the locality described below is likely to be acquired for the above purpose.

The notification is made, under the provision of Sub-section 1 of Section 4 of the Land Acquisition Act, 1894, to all whom it may concern.

In excercise of the powers conferred by the aforesaid section, the Lt. Governer, Delhi is pleased to authorise the Officers for the time being engaged in the undertaking with their servants and workmen to enter upon and survey the land in the locality and do all other acts required or permitted by that section.

Map showing the boundaries of the covered by the notification is available for inspection in the office of the Land Acquisition Collector (LAC SOUTH)


they have taken our land in very cheap rate @50 paisa. and most of the cases for the muawaja are still in the court. now we have made some income in the rent and they are putting their bloody rules on it.

may be i m wrong but kehte hain na " dard usi ko hota hai jiska ghar jalta hai" i don't know abt my house may be it ll be a part of the demolition or not but it is the matter of everybody not even a single home or a particular area.
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Deepak bhai...You are right..."Gehoon ke saath ghun to pista hee hai" but Best is to reply in the same coin. If MCD officials are taking support of some court ruling and if you have some papers in support of your property, you can settle the dispute in the court only. I know it's not easy to settle disputes in court but protesting against MCD officials won't make any effects either.

BUT you know I've seen what's going on in Katwaria Sarai, Jia Sarai, Kalu Sarai etc...there are a plently of illegal contructions which are rented and their rent is never declared in tax return. Now when their structures are demolished, they must not cry. They've already made a hell lot of money out of these. This has to end one day!

What to talk of corruption of MCD officials, HUDA bulldozers in Haryana even uproot the tree planted outside the houses...but they won't remove permanent hawkers from main city roads...they don't even know what is encroachment!!

Navin
 
Bhai Deepak...I think there is little miss understanding or problem in my expression. I used the word double standred because on one hand I or rather we talk about corruption and illigal things and to curb these activities, then how can we go against the orders of law governing body, I mean court. I thought it will be a double standred to raise the voice against the court orders regarding these illigal construction when these are related to Jats as I have not come across any thread condeming this seiling process. and i think in my post I have clearly mentioned about the cast factor.

Hope now it clears my views and please donot take it personally...i donot mean anything against you except saying that I diid not expect it from a moderator and you have every right to object to this sentece. And I have told my views on this too.

Hope it clears the things now.

Shamsher.
 
bhai deepak pehele to dil sae sympathies, bhai dost bhi hai aur aapse payaar bhi hai lekin sach to sach rahega, isliye mere bhi kuch views hai aur unko mei bahut dino se aage rakhna chahata tha, thanks for starting this thread though i am not in agreement to your thought and its not a gud time to mention all this when u r really hurt, but plz i'll take the liberties, hope u forgive me.

all i am mentioning here is not for you but for general public.

my question when can we all as a nation be ethical and reseonable.

1. (most ppl in agreement to sealing in delhi) - its about time we all (not only jats) change our physchie, as mentioned by lot many members law is law and court ruling is ruling, its being allready said tab kahan thae jab galat / illeageal construction kar rahe thae, jib to gaam mei neeta aaja tae apna sab kuch luta diya karte, aaj kit sae veh neta, kasam khaya karte akk bhai woh to apne ghar ka sae, apna rishtedaar sae, apna khaas sae, ib kit sae veh, wot a tragedy to those supporters.

2. sussra dilli mei makaan itna mehenga ho gaya sae ke ek aadmi apni puri zindgi bhi laga de to ek respectable chhatt (spacious house to accomodate ones family) nahi kharid sakta ?? rates 60 lacs to 1 cr. for a 3-4 bed appartment. dosh kiska hai, sirf govt. ka aur kisi ka nahi, is shehar mei jhuggi 5-10 lakh ki bikti hai doston, aur DDA allotment karti hai 1980-90 ke flats/plots ki sun 2006 mei aur woh bhi sirf kai hazaar baaki auction, black market nahi hogi to aur kaya hoga??? and whoose engenieering all this except politicians, where were they when DDA took dashaks to allot the same?

3. chahe koi bhi politician ho, bhaiyon sabne apna fayada dekha hai, jisne 2 lakh rs. acre mei hazaroon acre zameen khariddi usi politician ne policy implement karwa ke 24 lakh rs. acre mei accquire karvayi. kaun saccha hai deswaal shahab.

4. how many times it has been repeated that one who has a property should be denied for the seceond one, and thats a law in force but who cares. jiske paas hai to itni hai ki koi ginti nahi aur jo bechaare banane ki sochte hai woh sochte hi reh jaate hai.

5. deepak bhai terete kai guna faaltu manne mere mamma har ki tahi dukh sae, mahipalpur mai kai accre commercial land hai unka.

6. are u all aware about the reason for recent demolition - - its all political ppl's money rotating in commercial sectors, yeh saari malls financed hai samaaj sewakoo dawara, pehele saste mei DDA se commercial plot khareede aur phir ye sab nataak piche se moove karvaya.

7. kya karen aaj kuch accha ho raha hai to sab oppose karte hai aur phir keheten hai ki vikaas nahi hota, acche kaam nahi hote, kab tak hum yeh double standard zindgi jeeete rahenge, i wish all the lal dora property remain intact as thats justified ( like in deepaks case) but than illeagal is illegal.

8. agar hum sab asli hai to existing politicians mei se kisiko bhi vote nahi dena chahiyea, chahe apni khud ki party banwa kar zamanat jabt karwa le.

i am really sick on this issue, as at the end of day i have found that there is no respect to law and ethics in this country and everything can be deviated so easily, its a shame nothing else. like the current law is twisted for vote politics. puri dilli toot gayi par politicians ki property nahi tuti. all in delhi know that very well.

for me closure of all commercial activities in all sorts of resenditial areas should be enforced, and that would be a great respite to the comman delhite.

unequal distribution of money and land should be taken care of by seriously implementing one person / family one house. or else the crime rate will increase in multiclipty.

all in all I WISH!!!!!!!!!!!! for betterment............:(
 
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