Selling Haryana to outsiders

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I am sure the title to this thread might sound a little radical, yet it is common knowledge that the demography of Haryana is fast changing. Our rich heritage including our land is being usurped by the state government in connivance with the builder lobby who are busy minting money turning a blind eye towards the repercussions that it would have on our community and our future generations.

The state politicians and leaders (if at all I can call them leaders as they lack any short or long term vision) are busy developing the state by building those model residential townships with swanky malls and office complexes. But my question is: FOR WHOM IS THIS DEVELOPMENT?? How many of the Haryana domicile holders own houses in these residential townships or work in those swanky office complexes.

In fact almost all the states have some or the other legislative mechanism to safeguard the interests of their people. This could be in terms of exclusion of outsiders from purchasing land in the state as is in Himmachal Pradesh or in the form of reserving a major proportion of jobs for the state domicile holders a very good example of which is Gujarat where the labour inspector verifies and ensures that Gujaratis have a sizable representation in the active labour force in the state. Where are the safeguards provided by the Government of Haryana to its people and if there are any, how actively these are being enforced by the government (by any of the political parties which has been in power).

Haryana is being bled from all the sides. As far as jobs are concerned they are being grabbed by outsiders at both the levels: blue collared as well as white collared jobs. The unskilled migrant population takes up majority of the low to medium paying jobs. The professionals from outside establish their exclusivity in the corporate arena by barring local people in employment.

Where does a Haryanvi go for a job. Earlier he at least had land to till and earn livelihood through agriculture and livestock management. But even that option is being taken away from him by the government and the land sharks who have acquired land forcefully or usurp the same by misleading the innocent and gullible land owners.

As far as education is concerned, we do have quite a few new universities which have sprung up in the near past but the level of basic education especially at the primary level has not improved much since the yesteryears.

With no proper education, negligible employment opportunities, no social security in terms of land holdings, where does Haryanvi go and whom does he look up to for direction. Certainly not the politicians who irrespective of the political party affiliations are busy making money little realising that 10-15 years down the line original Haryanvis would be in minority and the state would be ruled by a Chief Minister who would be a Bihari or a Bengali.

In fact the scene is not much different in the rest of the jat belt including Western UP, Delhi etc, where outsiders have swamped the towns/cities and permanently changed the culture of the area. A shining example of this trend is GURGAON where you have the best of residential townships, malls, office complexes in the country, yet the percentage of jats or Haryanvis using them is a miniscule minority. From the way things are unfolding, this example will be repeated in rest of the towns of Haryana like Sonipat, Panipat,etc.

Once again my question to you all: this development for whom....
 
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not again...tired of this provincial mentality. cosmopolitan fabric of a city or state is the first sign of advancement, what's the harm if we have biharis, bengalis etc besides jats. I don't find if any other cast CM surges in haryana.
 
Where does a Haryanvi go for a job. Earlier he at least had land to till and earn livelihood through agriculture and livestock management.

Industrilisation is the need of hour, if we need better infrastructure then we need to progress with time.
The question that one must ask here is.. how many Haryanavis are eligible for a job, or to say equipped to move with times? How many of them are educated enough? Can they forever rely on tilling the land?


In fact the scene is not much different in the rest of the jat belt including Western UP, Delhi etc, where outsiders have swamped the towns/cities and permanently changed the culture of the area. A shining example of this trend is GURGAON where you have the best of residential townships, malls, office complexes in the country, yet the percentage of jats or Haryanvis using them is a miniscule minority. From the way things are unfolding, this example will be repeated in rest of the towns of Haryana like Sonipat, Panipat,etc.

Once again my question to you all: this development for whom....

Please include Delhi also, Delhi which was inhabited by Jats and Gurjars is now full of Punjabis. Not only that now the original culture has gone for a toss, but jats and gurjars are shown as nothing more than uneducated bunch of hulligans.
 
I don't mind if any other cast CM surges in haryana.

Neither do i Mind if he is well educated and deserving...

And bro... who will choose the CM? Of course the people of Haryana. Still if people find industrilization is not good then trust me a NANDIGRAM in Haryana would certainly be more interesting/bloody than a NANDIGRAM in West Bengal... (god forbid)
 
Selling off Haryana/jat belt to outsiders

Well not much left to say after seeing the level of response to this thread/issue.

We all have our opinions and have every right to do so. But then comes a time when we ought to rise above our petty personal gains and think in terms of the broader perspective in the interest of the community.

People like most of us on this esteemed website are well read and financially well of. The reason why we dwell on socially important issues is not out of any personal compulsion but by our yearning to see our community progress. We not only need to just protect our heritage but also build on it for our progeny.

If race was a term used for mass hysteria, then I and you would not have been members of this website. Our race is our binding force with which we identify.

If we think every thing is hunky dory and like an ostrich bury our heads in the sand then we are certainly living in a fool's paradise.

We are contented that development is taking place at a feverish pace in our state. But then again the question comes: For Whom??

People who work in the corporate world I am sure would have at some point in time observed or witnessed the unwritten code followed by the corporate management teams to keep out the jats from employment in their ccompanies as far as possible. A jat normally loses the race before it even begins because he belongs to a community which is not popular. How many jats have reached the pinnacles of their careers or have been allowed to reach there at the national level - how many chief justices, CEOs, defence chiefs, cabinet secretaries etc.

I would just like to cite a glaring case of discrimination against jats: A few months ago there was a petition filed in Delhi High Court challenging the recruitment of conductors in DTC (Delhi Transport Corporation) on the grounds that most of the recruitees were Haryanvis (Please read this as jats). Even the High COurt Judge hearing this case agreed that people from these areas (jat belt) are rustic and unpolished. This was an affront and insult to the entire community yet no politician or leader from Haryana worth his salt objected to this petition or the Judge's observation.

When Ch. Bansi Lal (the founding father of Haryana and former Haryana Chief Minister and Union Defence minister) expired, not even a single English language newspaper carried out an article on him thus completely blacking out the news of his demise proving the importance placed on the community and its popular sons.

Again recently, one of the prominent builders came out with an advertisement in one of the national dailies where the address mentioned Gurgaon as part of Delhi and not Haryana. There was no subsequent clarification from the newspaper or the builder nor any objection raised by the state government.

The above mentioned instances are just small issues not a crisis yet, but they sure are signs of an impending crisis the community will face in the times to come. Lets put our acts together before the community reaches the point of no return.

One of my learned fellow members quoted that development of land is good for the state and its people. But I just have one question to ask - Why cannot this land be developed by and for our own people. Why do we need outsiders to develop our state/region. Are we so incompetent as a community that we need outsiders to develop our state for us.

Lets put our act together before there is no chance left to turn the tide. History is not very kind to ignorants who live smuggly in their todays without anticipating and preparing for their future.
 
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If industrialization is “need of hour”, why can’t big industries be established on barren terrains of central India, rather than destroying the fertile lands of Haryana and UP ? How many Haryanavis are employed in Maruti Udyog Limited in Gurgaon – a project which was established on a vast agricultural plot despite protests, and there were promises of employment opportunities for local people? Policies like setting up of SEZs etc. are not the babies of a state, it is a Central subject. The present government of Haryana has given its nod in favour of Ambanis. See the case of Punjab – it has refused to allot its land to Reliance Retail for its projects in Punjab. See the report in today’s edition of The Tribune : Punjab govt refuses land.


To feed the rapidly growing needs of the city of Delhi, resources of neighbouring states are being over-exploited. Even the raw soil from the fields is being transported to Delhi for construction purposes, apart from numerous brick-klins which are ‘cooking’ this soil to make bricks. Water resources are under heavy stress. Such a large scale construction activity may soon result in some big natural catastrophe and coming generations will curse us for our follies.
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Fully support Dayanand sir and Sunil. Some filtering must be there. If Punjab govt. can think better of their own people, why can't we?

/Rohit.
 
Development and capitalism is must, there is no doubt here, but point of view of kadian and dayanand ji and rohit have raised an honest future problem. I think a minimum of 50% reservation for haryanva domicile (with all due respect for UP and rajasthan jats) in all huda plots would be immediatley require to check this.

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Yes even in some American and Canadian Universities I've seen reservation for original tribes over there.
 
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Ek Jat sarvkhap panchayat hoya kare thi UP me, us ne Jaton ki Zameen ko bechne par bann laga diya tha. Aur aakhir me ye condition tay kari thi ek Jat ki zameen ko Jat hi khareed sakta hai.
 
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This concept of SEZ's is pure bullS&*t.
Lower taxation and business infrastructure are the main reasons are being put forward by the government for SEZ's.

1........There should be minimum taxation for business anyways.. especially on capital gains. The taxation money goes to the government - which wastes it ya fir politicians and their relatives loot lete hain.

2........It should be absolutely..............I mean absolutely no business of the government to act as landgrabbers on behalf of rich corporations. If Reliance wants to purchase land, then, for example a land purchase manager from REliance needs to go to every landowner whose land they want...and offer them market price. If they refuse then there is no deal..end of story.

3.........The private sector is more than capable of getting the business infrastructure built on their own....government ko taang adane ki koi zaroorat nahin hai - private sector will develop it better and at half the cost.

4.........There is no problem if Reliance invests in Harayana. They will create jobs for the locals........... local ppl have to make sure they have the right training and are employable when the time comes. Investment will be measured in Indian rupee ....not gujrati money....also Mukesh Ambani will not transfer lakhs of Gujratis to come work in Haryana SEZ.....He will look for workers locally.

5.........If manufacturing industries come up......... They should treat their harmful waste properly..........NOT how its done in China.

People who are proponents of kheeti baadi...please know that land holdings have shrunk drastically....it is no longer sustainable for most of the population............they need to look forward and start training in technical jobs otherwise they will not be able to cash in on the manufacturing opportunities that may arise. The governmnet needs to remove regulations on technical education and more private training institutes should come up like the government run ITI's....... so that there are enough technical haryanvi ppl around to do the lakhs of jobs that will come up.
In the same way, The education city proposed in Sonepat should be free of government regualtions otherwise it will never reach its potential. Harvard and Stanford donot work under government regulation ... that is why they are where they are.
 
If situation continues like this then Jats of Haryana will become like Jats of Delhi. Faridabad ka haal to aur bhi bura hai. Delhi for thousands of years was known for Jats but now they are diluted, dissolved and in a pitiable condition.

Sindh was known for Jats controlling major land and ports/trade over there. India was known Sone ki Chidiya not because of Kolar mines but due to the Gold through trade. Now percentage of Jats in Sindh is like Delhi.

If soon some suitable measures are not taken then Haryana will become another Delhi/Sindh for Jats.
 
Bal Thackre's call "Maharashtra for Maharashtrians" set whole Bombay state afire in 1960. Similar call is needed in Haryana. Faridabad looks to be totally filled with Biharis and others. All around Delhi Jats are being squeezed in Haryana and UP. But as compared to UP Haryanvi Jats are more affected because on 3 sides Delhi is surrounded by Haryana.
 
If situation continues like this then Jats of Haryana will become like Jats of Delhi. Faridabad ka haal to aur bhi bura hai. Delhi for thousands of years was known for Jats but now they are diluted, dissolved and in a pitiable condition.

Sindh was known for Jats controlling major land and ports/trade over there. India was known Sone ki Chidiya not because of Kolar mines but due to the Gold through trade. Now percentage of Jats in Sindh is like Delhi.

If soon some suitable measures are not taken then Haryana will become another Delhi/Sindh for Jats.

True Brother.
 
75% Madhyapardesh Khalli padya..danna bi na hotta...Udde kyuna jatte ye Reliance aale arr sarre builders...sab kimme PAATHH diya Dilli arr Hariyanne ke khettan mein....Na koe rasta chhodya,Na kisse ki Izzat chhoddi,Na koe samaajj chhodya arr na koe bhaichara chhodya.Bhaadd mein ja issa developement jddei HANDFULLS tei Aishh krrein sein arr bakki dunniya ke LUTHH aa rhya sei...............IT IS A B....y DURRAGTTI of people.SABh kimme GT road pe banna dyo arr baaki sesh khaali ka khaali....HELL WITH THIS KINDA DEVELOPEMENT and THE POLITICIAND who are making fools out of people and enjoying life.
 
Selling Haryana

Dear Dev ji

102 % sahi baat kahi. Pher SULPHAS ki goli kha kai maran tai aachha tai chhati mai kha kai marna sai. Koye tai sahi rah gonda khud tohvana paderega . Ramji Konya madad karai yo tai peesey aalyan ka ho liya.

R.S.Dahiya
 
75% Madhyapardesh Khalli padya..danna bi na hotta...Udde kyuna jatte ye Reliance aale arr sarre builders...sab kimme PAATHH diya Dilli arr Hariyanne ke khettan mein....Na koe rasta chhodya,Na kisse ki Izzat chhoddi,Na koe samaajj chhodya arr na koe bhaichara chhodya.Bhaadd mein ja issa developement jddei HANDFULLS tei Aishh krrein sein arr bakki dunniya ke LUTHH aa rhya sei...............IT IS A B....y DURRAGTTI of people.SABh kimme GT road pe banna dyo arr baaki sesh khaali ka khaali....HELL WITH THIS KINDA DEVELOPEMENT and THE POLITICIAND who are making fools out of people and enjoying life.

Bhai Saheb Soch to main raheya tha likh aap gaye .Ke kaya karen va Kudos ....ji.
 
Selling off Haryana/Jatland to outsiders

United we stand Divided we fall

It was interesting to note the varied viewpoints expressed in response to this thread.

The community has almost reached a point of crisis in majority of the Jat belt/Jatland. The problem is spread out in Haryana, Delhi, Western U.P. and to some extent Punjab.

Our ancestors fought wars against the outsiders to safeguard the land to pass it on to their future generations and we are letting it go away and that too to the outsiders. It does not mean we have to sell our land and that too to outsiders if we have become educated and are employed in Corporates/MNCs. It is social security which we can still pass on to our future generations or at least ensure it remains within the community.

There is a French proverb which says the deeper you look into the past, the farther you can look into the future....
 
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