Senseless Community Action & Shameless Inaction

[pup030]

TO WHOMSOEVER IT MAY CONCERN

I have lived for pretty long enough to be in a position to comment and form an opinion about absurdities and medieval attitudes which persist in the community at large. To begin with we proudly say that calling a spade a spade is what a Jat is all about but the reality is somewhat different.

Look at whats been happening over the years within the community at different location but all through runs a common thread which I would term as senseless action at some places and at others shameless silence and inaction. Being firmly rooted to beliefs does no good to anyone. Now coming to the specific occurrences which would enable me to establish and demonstrate what I am trying to communicate.

# Location: Village-Mitraon, Delhi (Example of shameless community silence).... It all started with a dispute between two families over a petty piece of land(dearer then dear life), horns locked by the male members from both the side, bloodshed ensued, local criminal gets into the fray and support of one family, further bloodshed, softest targets taken out from either side, total casualities...hold your breath..almost 70. Youth from the village and neighbouring areas criminalized and indoctrinated into a life of crime. Result.. the emergence of the deadliest criminal gangs in Delhi and NCR.
The Shameless community silence : Vis a vis the the incidents in Village Mitraon, the community remained a silent spectator and shamelessly, whatever happened to those rustic, medieval Mahapanchayats which often speak on behalf of the community and assign themselves al the wisdom of settling matters in community terms. But funnily, elsewhere the same mahapanchayats come to the fore vociferously when ever a boy and a girl from the same village take the step of loving and getting married. Well, those poor little things have to bear the brunt and the anger of these Panchayats being soft targets. Why did no such initiative take place with regard to Mitraon???? Hit yourself on the head and find an answer.

# Location: Gohana (Example of Senseless community action)....Its really a mad world we live in and it all started with the murder of a local Jat trader and financier, given a inter community colour by vested interests and over enthuistic chaps from the community, the reason being that the murderers were SC(scheduled caste). A mob is marshalled which goes on to torch the home and hearth of folks from the same SC community. Could there be something more senseless. This was a purely mediveal conduct.

Example of Senseless community action : As the events in Gohana demonstrate that we still remain a medieval community with those very attitudes, or why else would the mob in Gohana comprising jats have been incited by the murder of another Jat which was purely an act of crime perpetrated by some local boys belonging to another community. The law would have taken its course and had there been something lacking in the police investigation and action then certainly the community could have pursued the matter as per the procedure laid by the law but the patience was deliberately made to run thin. There was more to it then meets the eye. Well, the commonality or say the common thread which runs with regard to Gohana and the Mahapanchayats organised to tackle same village love marriages is the itch and the over eagerness to send a message and establishing a high hand by taking on the softest possible targets.

Where will this lead us....certainly to doom. Think of what we have come to symbolise as a community.

I am proud to be born a Jat but would never want myself to be identified by conduct with the likes of Narender Modi's and people of his ilk. Would you?????

I do not see any logic or fair reasoning vis a vis the senseless action and shameless silence on the part of the community, do you???

Dhiren Singh
Advocate

 

[devdahiya]

Dhiren Stop Please

TO WHOMSOEVER IT MAY CONCERN

I have lived for pretty long enough to be in a position to comment and form an opinion about absurdities and medieval attitudes which persist in the community at large. To begin with we proudly say that calling a spade a spade is what a Jat is all about but the reality is somewhat different.

Look at whats been happening over the years within the community at different location but all through runs a common thread which I would term as senseless action at some places and at others shameless silence and inaction. Being firmly rooted to beliefs does no good to anyone. Now coming to the specific occurrences which would enable me to establish what I have been trying to communicate.

# Location: Village-Mitraon, Delhi (Example of shameless community silence).... It all started with a dispute between two families over a petty piece of land(dearer then dear life), horns locked by the male members from both the side, bloodshed ensued, local criminal gets into the fray and support of one family, further bloodshed, softest targets taken out from either side, total casualities...hold your breath..almost 70. Youth from the village and neighbouring areas criminalized and indoctrinated into a life of crime. Result.. the emergence of the deadliest criminal gangs in Delhi and NCR.
The Shameless community silence : Vis a vis the the incidents in Village Mitraon, the community remained a silent spectator and shamelessly, whatever happened to those rustic, medieval Mahapanchayats which often speak on behalf of the community and assign themselves al the wisdom of settling matters in community terms. But funnily, elsewhere the same mahapanchayats come to the fore vociferously when ever a boy and a girl from the same village take the step of loving and getting married. Well, those poor little things have to bear the brunt and the anger of these Panchayats being soft targets. Why did no such initiative take place with regard to Mitraon???? Hit yourself on the head and find an answer.

# Location: Gohana (Example of Senseless community action)....Its really a mad world we live in and it all started with the murder of a local Jat trader and financier, given a inter community colour by vested interests and over enthuistic chaps from the community, the reason being that the murderers were SC(scheduled caste). A mob is marshalled which goes on to torch the home and hearth of folks from the same SC community. Could there be something more senseless. This was a purely mediveal conduct.

Example of Senseless community action : As the events in Gohana demonstrate that we still remain a medieval community with those very attitudes, or why else would the mob in Gohana comprising jats have been incited by the murder of another Jat which was purely an act of crime perpetrated by some local boys belonging to another community. The law would have taken its course and had there been something lacking in the police investigation and action then certainly the community could have pursued the matter as per the procedure laid by the law but the patience was deliberately made to run thin. There was more to it then meets the eye. Well, the commonality or say the common thread which runs with regard to Gohana and the Mahapanchayats organised to tackle same village love marriages is the itch and the over eagerness to send a message and establishing a high hand by taking on the softest possible targets.

Where will this lead us....certainly to doom. Think of what we have come to symbolise as a community.

I am proud to be born a Jat but would never want myself to be identified by conduct with the likes of Narender Modi's and people of his ilk. Would you?????

I do not see any logic or fair reasoning vis a vis the senseless action and shameless silence on the part of the community, do you???

Dhiren Singh
Advocate

Dhiren bhai ji,

Please hold on, else a bigger sin is likely to be committed by all of us; incase we start discussing the situation on ground vis-a -vis what the JATS are suppose to be?It will be better and appropriate, incase we discuss the whole issue under three main headings like:

a] Genesis of the problem[ Which you brought out]
b] Present Situation.
c] Solution/suggestion to bring the community on track.

Merely criticizing the community will not help a bit. Hope you ponder over the suggestion?


Regards.

 

[raj2rif]

I agree with you

Taking law in your hand is not a civilized way of living. We have a law which we want others to follow. At the same time, we also have people who are associated with the protection of law, doing some thing other than what they are expected to do, be it a police inspector, attorney and some times even a judge. It is few or many of these people who have been responsible for the public loosing faith in the system. While what has happened in these incidents must be condenmed to the heart's content, and culprits brought to books ASAP, we must also go into the details of the psychology leading to such incidents. Is it lack of education at home, inactivitiy or corruption among the law enforcing agencies or any thing else. Whatever it may be, we as a citizen need to rise to the occassion and contribute our bit to help our government to make our society a safer place to live honorably.

 

[rkumar]

I agree 100% with your observations Dhiren. How do we address the issue and set the things right? We need to debate the issue logically and suggest the methods of addressing the problem of this mob mentality.

Rajendra

 

[dahiyars]

Shameful senseless act

Dear Dhiren,

I fully agree with you. These Panchayats are imposing their decisions on weaker sections- dalits, women and poor persons even from jat community.The mediveal behaviour cannot be condonned. The members of the so called panchayat should be put behind the bars.In the murder case let the law take its own course. If we extend the panchayat decision then only last thursday a student has been murdered in the open, the victims village has got the fatwa with it to burn the village of the murderer. I think if this is allowed to happen the total Haryana villages will be burnt within few years.

Dr.R.S.Dahiya

 

[sumitsehrawat]

TO WHOMSOEVER IT MAY CONCERN

I have lived for pretty long enough to be in a position to comment and form an opinion about absurdities and medieval attitudes which persist in the community at large. To begin with we proudly say that calling a spade a spade is what a Jat is all about but the reality is somewhat different.

Look at whats been happening over the years within the community at different location but all through runs a common thread which I would term as senseless action at some places and at others shameless silence and inaction. Being firmly rooted to beliefs does no good to anyone. Now coming to the specific occurrences which would enable me to establish and demonstrate what I am trying to communicate.

# Location: Village-Mitraon, Delhi (Example of shameless community silence).... It all started with a dispute between two families over a petty piece of land(dearer then dear life), horns locked by the male members from both the side, bloodshed ensued, local criminal gets into the fray and support of one family, further bloodshed, softest targets taken out from either side, total casualities...hold your breath..almost 70. Youth from the village and neighbouring areas criminalized and indoctrinated into a life of crime. Result.. the emergence of the deadliest criminal gangs in Delhi and NCR.
The Shameless community silence : Vis a vis the the incidents in Village Mitraon, the community remained a silent spectator and shamelessly, whatever happened to those rustic, medieval Mahapanchayats which often speak on behalf of the community and assign themselves al the wisdom of settling matters in community terms. But funnily, elsewhere the same mahapanchayats come to the fore vociferously when ever a boy and a girl from the same village take the step of loving and getting married. Well, those poor little things have to bear the brunt and the anger of these Panchayats being soft targets. Why did no such initiative take place with regard to Mitraon???? Hit yourself on the head and find an answer.

# Location: Gohana (Example of Senseless community action)....Its really a mad world we live in and it all started with the murder of a local Jat trader and financier, given a inter community colour by vested interests and over enthuistic chaps from the community, the reason being that the murderers were SC(scheduled caste). A mob is marshalled which goes on to torch the home and hearth of folks from the same SC community. Could there be something more senseless. This was a purely mediveal conduct.

Example of Senseless community action : As the events in Gohana demonstrate that we still remain a medieval community with those very attitudes, or why else would the mob in Gohana comprising jats have been incited by the murder of another Jat which was purely an act of crime perpetrated by some local boys belonging to another community. The law would have taken its course and had there been something lacking in the police investigation and action then certainly the community could have pursued the matter as per the procedure laid by the law but the patience was deliberately made to run thin. There was more to it then meets the eye. Well, the commonality or say the common thread which runs with regard to Gohana and the Mahapanchayats organised to tackle same village love marriages is the itch and the over eagerness to send a message and establishing a high hand by taking on the softest possible targets.

Where will this lead us....certainly to doom. Think of what we have come to symbolise as a community.

I am proud to be born a Jat but would never want myself to be identified by conduct with the likes of Narender Modi's and people of his ilk. Would you?????

I do not see any logic or fair reasoning vis a vis the senseless action and shameless silence on the part of the community, do you???

Dhiren Singh
Advocate

... is exactly what I wanted to say.

Thanks for putting it Dhiren.

regards,
$umit

 

[dahiyarules]

Once again, as I always say Socialism is to blame. Government is not a Superman to do everything from ripping apart the oceans to putting hell on fire. we expect too much form the government. Based on those expectations, the government took control of the major resources in our society. For decades our kids in villages have been relying on underprovided government schools. They lack motivation. A few who are highly driven work hard to get out of the vicious circle and setlle in urban centers. Others drop out in midst of their education. The end result is a lack of opportunities, as government doesnt have the entreprenurial drive to create profitable enterprises, and our elected officers play favoritism and trade oppotunities for hush monies. Its a very sad scenario.

Most of us maylook at capitalists as the evil baniyas. But they create oppotunities. Theres no freeriding and its a fair game.

 

[rkumar]

Once again, as I always say Socialism is to blame. Government is not a Superman to do everything from ripping apart the oceans to putting hell on fire. we expect too much form the government. Based on those expectations, the government took control of the major resources in our society. For decades our kids in villages have been relying on underprovided government schools. They lack motivation. A few who are highly driven work hard to get out of the vicious circle and setlle in urban centers. Others drop out in midst of their education. The end result is a lack of opportunities, as government doesnt have the entreprenurial drive to create profitable enterprises, and our elected officers play favoritism and trade oppotunities for hush monies. Its a very sad scenario.

Most of us maylook at capitalists as the evil baniyas. But they create oppotunities. Theres no freeriding and its a fair game.

Absolutely correct.

RK^2

 

[dahiyarules]

Thank you Kalkhande sir. :-D

 

[pammusangwan]

you are spot on money

DEV ji you are on right track and I know what exactly you are asking and

I would like to ask DHIREN bhai that how many times have you drive passed on your way, ignoring any policeman or any common people fighting or bashing a weak and poor person (infact nor do I most of the times except few) because as we all had in our mind that this is life and we single handedly can not do any thing, but you know what that there is something special in each of us but not everything, so all we need to do is get togeather and form this kinda army to fight such issues (if not much then only to let the common peoples know what their powers are) and as I don`t know if you have gone through some of those threads for "RURAL DEVELOPMENT" and unfortunatley we are missing your participation in that if you got some spare time for that function.
EVEN DEV UNCLE ji and other senior members I would like to suggest the name of DHIREN ji for acting as an ATTORNY to deal with legal matters for our commitee if he is able and capable (no doubts from my side) to do so...

CHEERS

Dhiren bhai ji,

Please hold on, else a bigger sin is likely to be committed by all of us; incase we start discussing the situation on ground vis-a -vis what the JATS are suppose to be?It will be better and appropriate, incase we discuss the whole issue under three main headings like:

a] Genesis of the problem[ Which you brought out]
b] Present Situation.
c] Solution/suggestion to bring the community on track.

Merely criticizing the community will not help a bit. Hope you ponder over the suggestion?


Regards.

 

[pup030]

Truth I live by

DEV ji you are on right track and I know what exactly you are asking and

I would like to ask DHIREN bhai that how many times have you drive passed on your way, ignoring any policeman or any common people fighting or bashing a weak and poor person (infact nor do I most of the times except few) because as we all had in our mind that this is life and we single handedly can not do any thing, but you know what that there is something special in each of us but not everything, so all we need to do is get togeather and form this kinda army to fight such issues (if not much then only to let the common peoples know what their powers are) and as I don`t know if you have gone through some of those threads for "RURAL DEVELOPMENT" and unfortunatley we are missing your participation in that if you got some spare time for that function.
EVEN DEV UNCLE ji and other senior members I would like to suggest the name of DHIREN ji for acting as an ATTORNY to deal with legal matters for our commitee if he is able and capable (no doubts from my side) to do so...

CHEERS

Dear Pammu Bhai,

Nice that your beliefs and feelings are quite similar to mine with regard to the issue being discussed. To give you an example of my actions I would just give a short insight into some incidents which happened a few years back.
It was one of such incidents which have happened over a life time. It was a some years back that I had started practicing law and used to commute from Gurgaon to Delhi by a chartered bus which used to ferry lawyers, policemen and staff from different ministries and the central government offices in Delhi. On one such morning a nice looking gentleman got into the bus and he was a stranger but one was shocked to see this chap acting funny with a lady who was a daily commuter. It was the most disgusting and revolting act one had seen and the lady could not gather the courage to speak out. Or perhaps she did not want to create a scene but I could see the discomfort the lady was undergoing. I got up and went straight to this guy and whispered in his ear to let go and restrain but he did not budge and retorted back. Well I pulled him to the back of the bus and gave him some knocks which turned out to be to hard on him and he was disembarked at the next stop. Next day two constables got into the same bus with that man and the man identified me. I was asked to come to the PS Udyog Vihar. A case had been registered against me under sections 323,324 and 506 IPC. Since I am from the legal community, I got the bail and the case is still under trial. Then there was an incident wherein a constable was hassling a poor lady in the court complex I practice in and I intervened and it led to some fisticuffs and later a case against me was registered under sections which pertain to obstructing a public servant in discharge of his duty. Its a different story that the constable in question was trying to extort money from this shrivelled, dirt poor lady. The trial continues in this case too.

Two instances of my intervention, two cases against me for all the right reasons but that has not diminished my spirit and it has made me a stronger person. I still continue to intervene for I am able to see things happening before my eyes in the correct perspective. I give a damn to those cases.Strangely what has baffled me at times is the reaction of colleagues who advise me to restrain myself.Even if i wanted to change myself i could not. That would be lying to my own true self.

As proposed by you, I offer my services to any member who wishes to pursue a legal remedy which could bring relief with regard to a cause and I would deliver. Waiting to hear from someone who needs something to be done for the larger good and I am available 24 x 7 for anyone who cares. Please read my thread in the current affairs section titled "Six degrees of Separation" and that would give another perspective on why we must do what we ought to reach out to someone in need.


Keep the spirit.

Dhiren Singh
Advocate

 

[poonam]

Dear Pammu Bhai,

Nice that your beliefs and feelings are quite similar to mine with regard to the issue being discussed. To give you an example of my actions I would just give a short insight into some incidents which happened a few years back.
It was one of such incidents which have happened over a life time. It was a some years back that I had started practicing law and used to commute from Gurgaon to Delhi by a chartered bus which used to ferry lawyers, policemen and staff from different ministries and the central government offices in Delhi. On one such morning a nice looking gentleman got into the bus and he was a stranger but one was shocked to see this chap acting funny with a lady who was a daily commuter. It was the most disgusting and revolting act one had seen and the lady could not gather the courage to speak out. Or perhaps she did not want to create a scene but I could see the discomfort the lady was undergoing. I got up and went straight to this guy and whispered in his ear to let go and restrain but he did not budge and retorted back. Well I pulled him to the back of the bus and gave him some knocks which turned out to be to hard on him and he was disembarked at the next stop. Next day two constables got into the same bus with that man and the man identified me. I was asked to come to the PS Udyog Vihar. A case had been registered against me under sections 323,324 and 506 IPC. Since I am from the legal community, I got the bail and the case is still under trial. Then there was an incident wherein a constable was hassling a poor lady in the court complex I practice in and I intervened and it led to some fisticuffs and later a case against me was registered under sections which pertain to obstructing a public servant in discharge of his duty. Its a different story that the constable in question was trying to extort money from this shrivelled, dirt poor lady. The trial continues in this case too.

Two instances of my intervention, two cases against me for all the right reasons but that has not diminished my spirit and it has made me a stronger person. I still continue to intervene for I am able to see things happening before my eyes in the correct perspective. I give a damn to those cases.Strangely what has baffled me at times is the reaction of colleagues who advise me to restrain myself.Even if i wanted to change myself i could not. That would be lying to my own true self.

As proposed by you, I offer my services to any member who wishes to pursue a legal remedy which could bring relief with regard to a cause and I would deliver. Waiting to hear from someone who needs something to be done for the larger good and I am available 24 x 7 for anyone who cares. Please read my thread in the current affairs section titled "Six degrees of Separation" and that would give another perspective on why we must do what we ought to reach out to someone in need.


Keep the spirit.


.[/COLOR]Dhiren Singh
Advocate

Real Life Hero you, Dhiren!!

P.S. You know after reading this you reminded me of 'Damini'(one of my favorite hindi movies). Amazed to know that we do have these heroes in real life ...not just in reel life.. .
My thumbs up to you, Dhiren

 

[devdahiya]

Lage raho

Real Life Hero you, Dhiren!!

P.S. You know after reading this you reminded me of 'Damini'(one of my favorite hindi movies). Amazed to know that we do have these heroes in real life ...not just in reel life.. .
My thumbs up to you, Dhiren

Bhai Dhiren ji,

Now i must give you shabashi to be on the side of the truth on those two occasions. Good&keep it up! All of us are unsung heros in some or other respect[sometime or other in life time] but unfortunately don't recognise each other's worth or may be God does not want it to be highlighted. What a pity? Keep doing the good job brother[however Hitting someone may not be a good idea at all] God speed! Dr poonam ki baat tei galat ho-e na sakti...beshak barhma galat ho ske se....Nahi poonam? ha...ha..ha....Great human being she is!

 

[shailendra]

Guy with Guts!

Two instances of my intervention, two cases against me for all the right reasons but that has not diminished my spirit and it has made me a stronger person. I still continue to intervene for I am able to see things happening before my eyes in the correct perspective. I give a damn to those cases.Strangely what has baffled me at times is the reaction of colleagues who advise me to restrain myself.Even if i wanted to change myself i could not. That would be lying to my own true self.


Keep the spirit.

Dhiren Singh
Advocate

Bravo! Proud to have come in contact with a 'Guy with Guts' like you...
My Compliments Dhiren... and even more strength to you on your strong convictions!

 

[pammusangwan]

bravo dude, keep it going

datz just too GR8 DHIREN bhai, but the thing is that this is all you can do or refrain those dirty, sleezy peoples from doing those activities of misconduct, when the scene comes to your scenario but there are still many peoples suffering behind, for them there is no DHIREN. So that is what we as an team can do and I am really greatfull for accepting and extending your helpfull and strong hand for this task.
We`ll do all this very soon (as described in previous threads)

CHEERS

Dear Pammu Bhai,

Nice that your beliefs and feelings are quite similar to mine with regard to the issue being discussed. To give you an example of my actions I would just give a short insight into some incidents which happened a few years back.


Dhiren Singh
Advocate

 

[pup030]

Thanks everyone

Dear Shailendra, Poonam and Pammu,

Felt nice to have read your comments but at the same time its important not to let your encouragement go to my head for if it does then I would be treading the oft repeated mistakes some folks with the same convictions have committed in the past. Just be your true self and just do it. One has to learn and understand that gut feelings and instict never let you go wrong. Bring in other pros, cons and considerations into play and the mind gets perplexed, confused and the sensitivities tend to go numb.

And Pammu Bhai, lets get some things done to demonstrate that we could really move things and make a difference collectively and seriously so devoid of any other motives. Using a bit of cautioning language for I have seen people approaching one with an idea to help but disappointingly the same activist turned out to be making money or building a constituency in the garb of activism. Please do not take the aforesaid caution personally. Do Keep me posted about what idea you would like to work on and initiate demonstrative action to wake people out of their slumber. I promise to be with you through and through.

Got to rush to the court now.

Warm regards you folks.

Dhiren Singh
Advocate

 

[spdeshwal]

Dhiren bhai,

I appreciate you concern about the senseless action of the community !

I remember an incident told by elders that had taken place some times in 60s.

A well known Jat Lawyer of Rohatak was slapped by a Baniya of Railway Road Rohtak.That lawyer came from a well known Jat family of the region. That incident had a profound impact on the Lawyer and that caused him to withdrew socially. In fact he did not live very long after that incident. Many members from Rohtak may be knowing about the incident including you if are from there. I don't want to name him.
He and his Family had high place in society ( jise kahte hnai na ki Dhak thi sare region mai)

If we analyse this incident from a social psycholgist point of view, our investigation prob. lead to the theory:

His "EGO" was hurt when he was publicly humiliated and that resulted in "Low Self Esteem"
A person with low self esteem can indulge or forced to indulge in two type of activities; Internal which are self destructive and External which can be both self destructive and harming others.

In my view, same type of psychlogical phenomeon has been working behind the recent events at Gohana. Situation was aggrevated by sensationalization by media of the actual happennings.

If we reverse the actors in the story, all involved would have been more patient, give admin some more time and in most probability, there would not have been ultimate action of setting on fire the houses of those who would have been involved in the murder

If we analyse further, the participants or I would say people who lead these panchayats suffer from some kind of insecurities. They feel left behind and neglected and constantly indulge in activities to draw the attention of others.
Scapegoats are always economically and socially weak people of our on community. They are a bunch of Low Esteem Creatures.
The corrective measures can be initiated through educating them and involving them in more constructive activites like The Proposed Rural Meet at Rohtak. Interaction of the organisations like Jatland.com can go a long way to help to improve the situation.

May God show our community the 'Right Path'!

 

[positivelook]

Community Action

Dhien Bhai Saab

First of all i appreciate ur invovement iin some of the cases which were shame on the humanity. But as u have provide few examples here so i would like to say that today the situation is getting worse and the reason behind this is lack of good leadership, and poor knowledge and unemployement is another cause for this. Today our youth is heading towards the wrong direction as u see in the Mitraon village incidence, this story started from village mitraon and noweven this bloody war already lost its originality and now these people become gangsters and whole NCR area is effected due to this. I know lots ogf youths who are going in this direction because our own people use them for their own sake. In gohana whatever happened was not good but i think the police has played a vital role in that also cos police was present their as spectator. But i want to say that these are not good signs for our community. One more thing i want to pointout here is its only the Jta youth today going in the wrong direction and reason for that is lack of good leaders in villages. So now this is the right time to take some initiative towards this, iof we really want to save our villages and community from these bloody wars than we have to work as a team and thatswhy we are planning to work together and first initiative in this is Ruarl convention at Rohtak. Well we just want to see how many serious people we get with us but i clearly want to mention here is i beleive in word of mouth.

So try some action now else be prepare urself to see dark side!

Abhimanyu Phougat

 

[vdeswal]

lighly liyo advocate sahab!!!

hye, dunno why??? but after reading these previous posts and specialy the one whr you knocked down couple of miscreants, i have started feeling tht you wouldn't be differnet then those horns locked men:

"if tht Village Mitrao case happens in your family"

However, shouldn't happen to anyone,my prayers to LORD.

My suggestions:

You could have got tht man to Police station instead of throwing hammer punches on him,means you made a bigger mistake then wht he was doing and facing trials still for the same.Had you done this lawfully then all sitting in tht bus will gather courage to do the same if in future it happnes again. but now i guess not many will be interested in getting themselves indulged practically depneding upon their biceps/triceps sizes.

Dhiren, wht matters is the procedure not output.Because if your procedure is rgt THEN OUTPUT GOT NO CHOICE BUT BEING RIGHT.your previously mentioned unplanned spur of the moment actions put you in trouble instead of giving any solutions.You really think its tht worthy!!!!

You beat tht man in bus and he came back with another attack you still fighting.
You caught tht constable he attacked bk, you still fighting on trials.

On street level cases it is taking you months to solve,wht s**t you know about mahapanchyats, or JAT community's proactive membranes. Anyways,this time when you revert back to this post, think/plan and then act.

ALSO COMMUNITY PROBELM EXIST EVERYWHERE AND IN ALMOST SAME CONTEXT THEN WHY THE HELL ARE WE BLAMING JAATS FOR FIGHTING OR ANY OTHER SO CALLED JAAT ACTIVITY. PUNJABI/SIKH/MALYAALI/GUJRATI,ENGLISH,AUSTRALIANS,MEXICAN, AREY SAB JOOT BAJAWAI SAI BHAI,AR SAB RAAZI BHI RAHVEY SAI,YO BHAGWAAN KA INCORPORATED ELEMENT SAI. KYON KI JAI SAB THEEK HOGEY TAI PHER BHAGWAAN GELYAAN JOOT BAJAWENGEY.

So let's discuss on some broader spectrum on ideas like education to all, electric fascility to villages,better disinfecatants for their crops,micro finacing for the poors etc. then suffusing us with smthing like land fights etc.

JAT (Jamaa Aandi Thaatti)-abhi banayaa hai thodey or ideas do isko refine karney ke.

 

[pup030]

What We Stand For Is More Important Then What We Stand In

hye, dunno why??? but after reading these previous posts and specialy the one whr you knocked down couple of miscreants, i have started feeling tht you wouldn't be differnet then those horns locked men:

"if tht Village Mitrao case happens in your family"

However, shouldn't happen to anyone,my prayers to LORD.

My suggestions:

You could have got tht man to Police station instead of throwing hammer punches on him,means you made a bigger mistake then wht he was doing and facing trials still for the same.Had you done this lawfully then all sitting in tht bus will gather courage to do the same if in future it happnes again. but now i guess not many will be interested in getting themselves indulged practically depneding upon their biceps/triceps sizes.

Dhiren, wht matters is the procedure not output.Because if your procedure is rgt THEN OUTPUT GOT NO CHOICE BUT BEING RIGHT.your previously mentioned unplanned spur of the moment actions put you in trouble instead of giving any solutions.You really think its tht worthy!!!!

You beat tht man in bus and he came back with another attack you still fighting.
You caught tht constable he attacked bk, you still fighting on trials.

On street level cases it is taking you months to solve,wht s**t you know about mahapanchyats, or JAT community's proactive membranes. Anyways,this time when you revert back to this post, think/plan and then act.

ALSO COMMUNITY PROBELM EXIST EVERYWHERE AND IN ALMOST SAME CONTEXT THEN WHY THE HELL ARE WE BLAMING JAATS FOR FIGHTING OR ANY OTHER SO CALLED JAAT ACTIVITY. PUNJABI/SIKH/MALYAALI/GUJRATI,ENGLISH,AUSTRALIANS,MEXICAN, AREY SAB JOOT BAJAWAI SAI BHAI,AR SAB RAAZI BHI RAHVEY SAI,YO BHAGWAAN KA INCORPORATED ELEMENT SAI. KYON KI JAI SAB THEEK HOGEY TAI PHER BHAGWAAN GELYAAN JOOT BAJAWENGEY.

So let's discuss on some broader spectrum on ideas like education to all, electric fascility to villages,better disinfecatants for their crops,micro finacing for the poors etc. then suffusing us with smthing like land fights etc.

JAT (Jamaa Aandi Thaatti)-abhi banayaa hai thodey or ideas do isko refine karney ke.

Dear Vijay,

I quote your signature "WHAT WE STAND FOR IS MORE IMPORTANT THEN WHAT WE STAND IN" and then read it in the context of your post. Prima facie divergent views. Well, either you ought to change the aforecited quote or perhaps give a thought to what each person has tried to communicate vide their respective posts.

You did talk about procedures. So here it goes.. if anyones' sister or a woman acquaintance was being molested in full view of the person concerned would you still be advising to follow the "Procedures". Let me inform you that even the law affords protection to a person who causes injury, hurt or even death to or of another person in order to prevent the commission of a bigger offence. The inury, hurt or death so caused has to be commensurate to the anticipated offence which was prevented by that person. And for the protection afforded by the law to come into play needs a trial and thats what I am doing . Thats the procedure my friend. Two dates of hearings in two months is a small price for standing up.

Besides, why this thread about my community then the apt answer would be that I live in a world full of different communities but the community I know best is my own and I wish that some things ought to change which leads the community forward and be at par with the rest socially, economically and culturally.

Waiting to hear from you.

Dhiren Singh
Advocate