Senseless Community Action & Shameless Inaction
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Does that make you feel "Soorma"?
Dear Vijay,
I can understand that you have a different outlook and that's why you took a stance that is in total contrast to the other respondents to Dhiren's mail, but I wonder why did you feel the need to use expletives to express whatever you wanted to say? Does that make you feel like a "biggie" or something?
You have also rightly said that these problems exist in almost all the communities, but does that mean that nobody should take any initiative to change the status quo? If that would have been the case (thank heavens, it is not) then this world still would be in the dark ages. It takes guts and perseverance to swim against the tide; and if this is being done for a selfless motive, that is really special. Let's respect the spirit of someone who cared to rise above me/mine/myself and think about doing something to remove some of many vices plaguing our community. It is absolutely fine to express your opinion, even if it takes a differing stance, but do it in a dignified fashion.
Best!
Manu
vdeswal said:
Dear Vijay,
I can understand that you have a different outlook and that's why you took a stance that is in total contrast to the other respondents to Dhiren's mail, but I wonder why did you feel the need to use expletives to express whatever you wanted to say? Does that make you feel like a "biggie" or something?
You have also rightly said that these problems exist in almost all the communities, but does that mean that nobody should take any initiative to change the status quo? If that would have been the case (thank heavens, it is not) then this world still would be in the dark ages. It takes guts and perseverance to swim against the tide; and if this is being done for a selfless motive, that is really special. Let's respect the spirit of someone who cared to rise above me/mine/myself and think about doing something to remove some of many vices plaguing our community. It is absolutely fine to express your opinion, even if it takes a differing stance, but do it in a dignified fashion.
Best!
Manu
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positivelook
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hi Vijay
I think u are talking two different things in ur thread. One u r saying if the Mitraon tragedy happens in ur family than .>>>>> and the other hand ur saying to dhirender abt following the procedure so wht does this mean my friend. i didnt got ur viewpoint on this because u cant talk like this. You have to support the one side of coin instead of both sides. So just think abt this.
ok
Abhimanyu Phougat
I think u are talking two different things in ur thread. One u r saying if the Mitraon tragedy happens in ur family than .>>>>> and the other hand ur saying to dhirender abt following the procedure so wht does this mean my friend. i didnt got ur viewpoint on this because u cant talk like this. You have to support the one side of coin instead of both sides. So just think abt this.
ok
Abhimanyu Phougat
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rajeshnehra
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Hi Dhiren !
YOU ARE RIGHT AND CONTINUE WHAT YOU ARE DOING .........BEST OF LUCK
Dr.Nehra
YOU ARE RIGHT AND CONTINUE WHAT YOU ARE DOING .........BEST OF LUCK
Dr.Nehra
jitendershooda
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pup030 said:
Ram ram Dhiren Bhai,
You have mentioned that you faced two incidents and according to you in both the cases you got angry and forget the LAW path even being a Lawyer.
Though in both the cases what Vijay Deswal told was the right approach if you really wish to respect the LAW. But in both the incidents you too took the other path ( to take the LAW in your hands and tried to solve the Problem in a Heroic Manner ...... WHY ? SITA KISE KI THI ER PUNJHAD Apne JALWAI .... Wo bhi isse senseless community ka e asar tha bhai kite deep mein ja ke dekhya ja to .... aapki jegah agar koe punjabi baniya hota to na karta isa kaam ... )
pup030 said:
Bhai one thing is really pinching me is that may be you can have different opinion with what was done by the JATs in Gohana but you should put the right things here na ..." it all started with the murder of a local Jat trader and financier, given a inter community colour by vested interests and over enthuistic chaps from the community" ......
WA 12 gaman ki panchayat ke sirf jatan ki thi ...??
Bhai, it was not started instantly with the murder of a local Jat trader ....but reality was that due to the continuous courageous activities of those People lead to this incident ....
They committed a RAPE to a gal of near by Village some times back, that is open and may be others those may not gone open ... and 2 instant murders and lot other small kidnap like issues were there ...and it became a daily routine for them to commit such activities ......
So Dhiren you got angry at the abuse of a Lady that you only knew ....and beaten up that guy ... so think of the Brothers/Parents of that Girl who was a RAPE victim ???? You himself told that "i wanted to change myself i could not." Te bhai ye JAT coum bhi dhire dhire change hogi ...
HERE WE CAN HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS THAT WHATEVER PATH TAKEN WAS OK OR WRONG ....but atleast accept this thing that it was not at all communal act and not they got aroused of a single incident ... But They all got very irritated ( NAAK MEIN DAM AALIYA THA UNKE ) with the daily activities and it took nearly an year or two and list of rapes...murders and kidnaps ....to come to such an action ....
I was there in Gohana last year Dec. and at that time those SC's kidnapped a Guy after a small dispute and then left him badly beaten up. And this was not the only incident ....
Its nice to see your helping words for any legal remedy ... so get ready bhai kade bhi koe case leke aa sakun hun .. [ par bina fees ladna padega ...ha ha ..
]Ek be Dev ji ne ek kavita hi bana ke ne kahya tha ek YE JAT KAUM HAI MHARI BHOLI BHALI ..... bhai ye jaat ghane kootniti aale te hote nahi er jib choh aa jya hai te inke bas mein nahi raheta ....er yohe hua hai hude us kand mein bhi ........KAUM KE BARSON PURANE MIJAJ KO BADALNE MEIN TIME LAGEGA ....
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Dhirenji Agar mere jaisa ek molad aapke sath aur aajata us bus mai kuchh jyada pitai ho jaati to kya hota? Aur agar wo lucha lafanga galti se dalit hota to kya hota? Aur aapne te bera e se aapne bawlyna ka. Issa moka dekhte hi baat ka bera ho chahe na, nu kahange aaja re ham bhi seklyna do char. Aur baat hathse aapke bhi nikal jati.
This is very commom. That what precisely happened at Gohana.
The residents fled the colony to get away from the police interogation and not from the fear of the villagers. Also Panchayat never instructed to attack rhem .
It was only a few over exited youth who embarked on that attack and wanted to teach a lesson only to those who were involved in the murder and other atrocities. Lekin durbhagay se tamashgir, haath sekne wale aa gushe bhich mai and the situation become out of control.
Aap thik kahte Bhai Devji, aaj shatir politicians aur kuchh khud garj log haavi hnai in panchayto par. Swami karampal jaise log jinhone pahle kafi achhe kam kiye hnai abh politician ki kathpootli ban jaate hnai.
Jitender Hoodaji, " ye jat kaum hai mahari bholi bhali" is 100% true and believable.
Kanhi bhi bahkave mai aakar truckno or tractoro mai bhar kar in politicians ke saath ho lete hnai.
Aapne dekha hoga last wali panchayat ko kaise rally mai badal diya aur ultimatum dilwadiya 20 tarikh tak. It was surely a political move to embrass the CM. He may not be able to react in either way because of the election on 28 sep.
Aur ab baari aati hai ham jaise logo ki, hume sirf jatland par likhne tak hi seemit nahi rahana chahiye. Jo bhai bahan is position mnai hai, mera matlab hai sampark mai hai, they should actively take part in these panchayats. Safai to kichad mnai utarne se hi hogi. Jimedari ham sab ko nibhani hi padegi.
This is very commom. That what precisely happened at Gohana.
The residents fled the colony to get away from the police interogation and not from the fear of the villagers. Also Panchayat never instructed to attack rhem .
It was only a few over exited youth who embarked on that attack and wanted to teach a lesson only to those who were involved in the murder and other atrocities. Lekin durbhagay se tamashgir, haath sekne wale aa gushe bhich mai and the situation become out of control.
Aap thik kahte Bhai Devji, aaj shatir politicians aur kuchh khud garj log haavi hnai in panchayto par. Swami karampal jaise log jinhone pahle kafi achhe kam kiye hnai abh politician ki kathpootli ban jaate hnai.
Jitender Hoodaji, " ye jat kaum hai mahari bholi bhali" is 100% true and believable.
Kanhi bhi bahkave mai aakar truckno or tractoro mai bhar kar in politicians ke saath ho lete hnai.
Aapne dekha hoga last wali panchayat ko kaise rally mai badal diya aur ultimatum dilwadiya 20 tarikh tak. It was surely a political move to embrass the CM. He may not be able to react in either way because of the election on 28 sep.
Aur ab baari aati hai ham jaise logo ki, hume sirf jatland par likhne tak hi seemit nahi rahana chahiye. Jo bhai bahan is position mnai hai, mera matlab hai sampark mai hai, they should actively take part in these panchayats. Safai to kichad mnai utarne se hi hogi. Jimedari ham sab ko nibhani hi padegi.
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Senseless act in Gohana
Namaskar ! To everyone on the forum. Thanks to Dhiren Bhai for initiating a very appropriate debate. The arson and looting of the homes of Balmikis was a cowardly and reprehensible act. In no way does it demonstrate the bravery Jats have inherited from their ancestors.
Before writing further on the subject, some clarification about various thought posted by other members, are in order.
Mitraon can be called a symbol of what is wrong with Jat society today. However, it is wrong to say that no effort was made by concerned people to hammer out peace. There were numerous, at almost all stages of the dispute between the two warring groups. However, whichever of the two had an upper hand, would scuttle the efforts. Solution was made difficult by the fact that many within the village had their sons deep into this gangstership. These were the ‘kamau poots’. Even if by dacoity. These people were afraid of losing the abundant flow of easy money.
The role of the Delhi Police is something shameful for Indian nation. One SHO of Najafgarh had to be transferred because he would inform the gangster before any raid was to commence.
Then, the Special branch staged encounter killings of only one of the gangs. This was the one which was gradually gaining an upper hand. This was the one not involved in any extortions. They were simply taking revenge for their kith and kin who had been killed.
The other one had political connections. When they were losing ground, most of them surrendered and went into state protection inside the Tihar jail. It seems the DP was paid heavily at this juncture and that’s the reason for Special branch wiping out their rivals.
Second case was of some love marriage by boy and girl of the same village. Do you know the rationale behind comparing Gotras before marriage is finalized ? Have you understood the theories of Survival of the Fittest and ‘Mandels law of Natural Selection’ ? Much before the westerners came to discover these, our forefathers had been putting the same to everyday practice.
Children born out of wedlock between close relatives have much higher probability of birth defects. Also recessive genes do not get a chance to be rejected, because both parents may have the same gene as recessive. So you have greated occurances of hereditary diesesases like, leukemia, night blindness, colour blindness, heart attack, diabetes, dementia, proneness to a specific illness. Take the example of muslims who generally marry within close relatives. See the ghetto mentality they have, and a very limited worldview (tolerance). Inspite of their large population, not one invention has come out of the Islamic countries in the last so many centuries. And we really don’t know the effect of recessive genes because scientific study has not been undertaken specific to that religion.
Our fore-fathers were not fools to lay down that marriage should not be done if any of the four Gotras of the boy or girl side are common - own, mother’s, paternal grand mother’s and maternal grand mother’s. It is different matter that we have forgotten the reasoning and follow think it just to be another old tradition. And the educated ones decry it as a medieval practice.
Somebody on the forum has written about other side of the Gohana story. Surely it must have been a case of ‘ Ab to pani sir ke oopar se chala gaya’. But how does one justify the vandalizing of innocent people’s homes ? There is no ‘mardangi’ in that. Anybody can beat up a weaker person, what have the perpetrators of this action achieved or proved ?
Mardon wali baat will be something that the Shias of POK have been doing in recent times. For too long they have been traumatized by the Sunni Pak establishment. Pakis along with the terrorist groups have been carrying our regular massacres of the Shias and Hunjas of POK. Now the victims have fanned out through out Pakistan and they are the ones helping US in capturing the Al-Queda elements. They directly inform the US forces, knowing fully well that paki police is hand in glove with the terrorists. And whichever Sunni is not on the wanted list of US, they kill that guy themselves.
So if the people of Gohana and surrounding areas were fed up with some rouges elements in the Balmiki community, then they should have finished off the criminals, not vandalized the homes of common people.
At another level, casteism has no religious sanction. The enemies of Indian society always try to malign our civillisation and religion by spreading falsehood. We have to take immediate steps counter their propaganda and, at the same time, educate fellow Indians to give up caste related prejudices. If the followers of Swami Dayanand, Jats, don’t do it, no body can.
Abhimanyu Phogat Bhai, that idea of Rural convention is a good beginning. Could you keep us apprised of the happenings.
Namaskar ! To everyone on the forum. Thanks to Dhiren Bhai for initiating a very appropriate debate. The arson and looting of the homes of Balmikis was a cowardly and reprehensible act. In no way does it demonstrate the bravery Jats have inherited from their ancestors.
Before writing further on the subject, some clarification about various thought posted by other members, are in order.
Mitraon can be called a symbol of what is wrong with Jat society today. However, it is wrong to say that no effort was made by concerned people to hammer out peace. There were numerous, at almost all stages of the dispute between the two warring groups. However, whichever of the two had an upper hand, would scuttle the efforts. Solution was made difficult by the fact that many within the village had their sons deep into this gangstership. These were the ‘kamau poots’. Even if by dacoity. These people were afraid of losing the abundant flow of easy money.
The role of the Delhi Police is something shameful for Indian nation. One SHO of Najafgarh had to be transferred because he would inform the gangster before any raid was to commence.
Then, the Special branch staged encounter killings of only one of the gangs. This was the one which was gradually gaining an upper hand. This was the one not involved in any extortions. They were simply taking revenge for their kith and kin who had been killed.
The other one had political connections. When they were losing ground, most of them surrendered and went into state protection inside the Tihar jail. It seems the DP was paid heavily at this juncture and that’s the reason for Special branch wiping out their rivals.
Second case was of some love marriage by boy and girl of the same village. Do you know the rationale behind comparing Gotras before marriage is finalized ? Have you understood the theories of Survival of the Fittest and ‘Mandels law of Natural Selection’ ? Much before the westerners came to discover these, our forefathers had been putting the same to everyday practice.
Children born out of wedlock between close relatives have much higher probability of birth defects. Also recessive genes do not get a chance to be rejected, because both parents may have the same gene as recessive. So you have greated occurances of hereditary diesesases like, leukemia, night blindness, colour blindness, heart attack, diabetes, dementia, proneness to a specific illness. Take the example of muslims who generally marry within close relatives. See the ghetto mentality they have, and a very limited worldview (tolerance). Inspite of their large population, not one invention has come out of the Islamic countries in the last so many centuries. And we really don’t know the effect of recessive genes because scientific study has not been undertaken specific to that religion.
Our fore-fathers were not fools to lay down that marriage should not be done if any of the four Gotras of the boy or girl side are common - own, mother’s, paternal grand mother’s and maternal grand mother’s. It is different matter that we have forgotten the reasoning and follow think it just to be another old tradition. And the educated ones decry it as a medieval practice.
Somebody on the forum has written about other side of the Gohana story. Surely it must have been a case of ‘ Ab to pani sir ke oopar se chala gaya’. But how does one justify the vandalizing of innocent people’s homes ? There is no ‘mardangi’ in that. Anybody can beat up a weaker person, what have the perpetrators of this action achieved or proved ?
Mardon wali baat will be something that the Shias of POK have been doing in recent times. For too long they have been traumatized by the Sunni Pak establishment. Pakis along with the terrorist groups have been carrying our regular massacres of the Shias and Hunjas of POK. Now the victims have fanned out through out Pakistan and they are the ones helping US in capturing the Al-Queda elements. They directly inform the US forces, knowing fully well that paki police is hand in glove with the terrorists. And whichever Sunni is not on the wanted list of US, they kill that guy themselves.
So if the people of Gohana and surrounding areas were fed up with some rouges elements in the Balmiki community, then they should have finished off the criminals, not vandalized the homes of common people.
At another level, casteism has no religious sanction. The enemies of Indian society always try to malign our civillisation and religion by spreading falsehood. We have to take immediate steps counter their propaganda and, at the same time, educate fellow Indians to give up caste related prejudices. If the followers of Swami Dayanand, Jats, don’t do it, no body can.
Abhimanyu Phogat Bhai, that idea of Rural convention is a good beginning. Could you keep us apprised of the happenings.
raj_rathee
New member
I love the righteous path and the intellectual discussions stemming from
it. Humanity and moral integrity is an integral part of any civilised
society...and we should strive for that.
At the same time, practicality and ground realities is also a consideration. If the law of the land was fair and it was properly enforced, then in most circumstances...incidents like Gohana would probably not have happened.
But lets face it. Indian system is corrupt and the keepers of the law
are up for sale.
While some of us would like to do our part to stand up and be righteous, in the
mean time the rest of us need to take care of ourselves. In a system of
"Jiski laathi uski bhains", I would prefer to be the one with the "lathi"...
morality and righteousness be damned.
So, just as I stand by my loved ones who resort to alternative approaches
to seek justice and protect their honor and dignity, I stand by the Jats in Gohana.
it. Humanity and moral integrity is an integral part of any civilised
society...and we should strive for that.
At the same time, practicality and ground realities is also a consideration. If the law of the land was fair and it was properly enforced, then in most circumstances...incidents like Gohana would probably not have happened.
But lets face it. Indian system is corrupt and the keepers of the law
are up for sale.
While some of us would like to do our part to stand up and be righteous, in the
mean time the rest of us need to take care of ourselves. In a system of
"Jiski laathi uski bhains", I would prefer to be the one with the "lathi"...
morality and righteousness be damned.
So, just as I stand by my loved ones who resort to alternative approaches
to seek justice and protect their honor and dignity, I stand by the Jats in Gohana.
sanjaysiwach
New member
Dear all,
Gohana incident is not based on community .It is a fight against injustice and crime. Please read from jitender forum, he is aware of realty.
Gohana incident is not based on community .It is a fight against injustice and crime. Please read from jitender forum, he is aware of realty.
pup030 said:
I respect your feelings for our community Dhiren bhai,
Whatever happened in Mitraon village was an act of 'Jatness'. And that was obvious!!
One party had purchased some agricultural land from other. After many years, during some negotiations in a 'panchayat' - the other party somehow abused the first party's parents. This got the first party angered and their real Jatness started to crop-up. And the rest is history!!
While, this is a case from a Delhi village - sometimes I wonder about other backward areas - what could be the situation over there??
I am sure, our politicians are the real culprits for all this. Without their help, not a single criminal could survive for long. Isn't it??
These politicians may be the directors for every wrong act - if I am not wrong?
If they must have acted on right time and perspective - we wouldn't have seen some of those 70 deaths in Mitraon village!!
And what to say about our panchayats?? No words on this!
Regards,
Shailendra
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mayank_singh
Guest
think before you write
phogat sir on one side you criticise Jats for thier action aginst to so called dalits, and you also say that they should not take law in thier own hand.
you are a Advocate also, and you know all the rules and laws very well more than a common man then why you took Law in your own hand when you saw somebody misbehaving with a female, as per your ideology you should have reported the matter to police. Here you are trying to show yourself hero and on the other hand you want to show your self intelectual/Philosopher by criticisng the action of Jats of Gohana.
I think you are not aware of the facts.
It was also very said that you found some supporters on the jatland for the heroic act of yours in the Bus. I think you want to show yourself a hero here. my freind if people on jatland start writing their experience then you will find so many brave acts. Please stop self praising yourself and dont criticise Jats without any pakka sabut. Because you are a Lawyer.
Please dont take it to heart. I could not stop writing this when i saw your Dual Personality.
phogat sir on one side you criticise Jats for thier action aginst to so called dalits, and you also say that they should not take law in thier own hand.
you are a Advocate also, and you know all the rules and laws very well more than a common man then why you took Law in your own hand when you saw somebody misbehaving with a female, as per your ideology you should have reported the matter to police. Here you are trying to show yourself hero and on the other hand you want to show your self intelectual/Philosopher by criticisng the action of Jats of Gohana.
I think you are not aware of the facts.
It was also very said that you found some supporters on the jatland for the heroic act of yours in the Bus. I think you want to show yourself a hero here. my freind if people on jatland start writing their experience then you will find so many brave acts. Please stop self praising yourself and dont criticise Jats without any pakka sabut. Because you are a Lawyer.
Please dont take it to heart. I could not stop writing this when i saw your Dual Personality.
pup030 said:
Experiment with Truth
o that for once
Dear Mayank,
There is a stark difference between the reactions of an individual and that of a group. An individual reacts in the given adverse circumstances in manner which is most conducive and mostly from the gut feeling and all along the right and wrong of it is in the knowledge of the individual.
Whereas, when groups or communities react its either a well orchestrated plan being acted upon or the group or community being taken for a ride by some vested interests of some individuals.
Me a hero, well, far from it my friend but nonetheless I know how to stand my ground. Do one thing today, visit any of the Police stations in Gurgaon and try to lodge a basic and simple Daily Diary report that would be Roznamcha about a lost document and you would come to your senses and perhaps a realisation would dawn upon you that you are treated no better then a second class citizen and you would be ashamed of being born in this country. You would feel all the above if your heart and mind is in the right place.
Need I say more, you are wise enough but one looks forward to your undertaking the above experiment and hearing from you about your experience. I hope you are not one of those with a very sheltered and cocooned existence. Come to the real world my friend. Awaiting to hear about your experiment with truth.
With warm regards
Dhiren Singh
Advocate
o that for oncemayank_singh said:
Dear Mayank,
There is a stark difference between the reactions of an individual and that of a group. An individual reacts in the given adverse circumstances in manner which is most conducive and mostly from the gut feeling and all along the right and wrong of it is in the knowledge of the individual.
Whereas, when groups or communities react its either a well orchestrated plan being acted upon or the group or community being taken for a ride by some vested interests of some individuals.
Me a hero, well, far from it my friend but nonetheless I know how to stand my ground. Do one thing today, visit any of the Police stations in Gurgaon and try to lodge a basic and simple Daily Diary report that would be Roznamcha about a lost document and you would come to your senses and perhaps a realisation would dawn upon you that you are treated no better then a second class citizen and you would be ashamed of being born in this country. You would feel all the above if your heart and mind is in the right place.
Need I say more, you are wise enough but one looks forward to your undertaking the above experiment and hearing from you about your experience. I hope you are not one of those with a very sheltered and cocooned existence. Come to the real world my friend. Awaiting to hear about your experiment with truth.
With warm regards
Dhiren Singh
Advocate
Advocate Saheb
Respect worthy Dhiren bhai......I read your thread with interest that day and mind you, i was the first to react.I don't say that there was no merit in your utterances but the tone was loud and too condeming. We can not brand a COMMUNITY MADE OF OUR PARENTS AND RELATIVES AS BARBARIC AND USELESS IRRESPECTIVE OF KIND OF DEEDS IT PERFORMS.We should intervene and guide our people silently[if we have the capabilities] rather than shouting from the roof top that JAT COMMUNITY IS USELESS AND PRIMITIVE. what are we so called EDUCATED and 'BALIDANI' people doing in the surroundings to improve their lot? Or are we here to see 'TAMASHA' and call them names. Wisdom should dictare that it is dangerous to criticise our own blood even if the group is wrong at times because idealism does not exist on this planet.When Every cast or creed is busy playing dishonest games in
order to out do each other then How can we expect ALL CORRECT approach from our innocent people? Bhai Dhiren we are proud of you as an indvidual [you have done well for yourself and may be for the community too] and wish you best of luck and many more honours in times to come but my submission is that WHATEVER THESE JATS ARE....THEY ARE PART OF US AND WE OWE THEM MORE THAN OUR EACH DROP OF BLOOD.Let me ask you one question; How many BUDHEEJIVI jats went to Gohana and Chandigarh to put across the correct picture? Gohana was a sad chapter and if we remain busy in condeming our community than there will be many more Gohanas,Kharkhodas,Jhajjars and Bahadurgarhs in times to come [though i wish none should happen].Kindly don't take anything said herein to the heart as it is just a healthy discussion please.
Regards!
devdahiya said:
Respect worthy Dhiren bhai......I read your thread with interest that day and mind you, i was the first to react.I don't say that there was no merit in your utterances but the tone was loud and too condeming. We can not brand a COMMUNITY MADE OF OUR PARENTS AND RELATIVES AS BARBARIC AND USELESS IRRESPECTIVE OF KIND OF DEEDS IT PERFORMS.We should intervene and guide our people silently[if we have the capabilities] rather than shouting from the roof top that JAT COMMUNITY IS USELESS AND PRIMITIVE. what are we so called EDUCATED and 'BALIDANI' people doing in the surroundings to improve their lot? Or are we here to see 'TAMASHA' and call them names. Wisdom should dictare that it is dangerous to criticise our own blood even if the group is wrong at times because idealism does not exist on this planet.When Every cast or creed is busy playing dishonest games in
order to out do each other then How can we expect ALL CORRECT approach from our innocent people? Bhai Dhiren we are proud of you as an indvidual [you have done well for yourself and may be for the community too] and wish you best of luck and many more honours in times to come but my submission is that WHATEVER THESE JATS ARE....THEY ARE PART OF US AND WE OWE THEM MORE THAN OUR EACH DROP OF BLOOD.Let me ask you one question; How many BUDHEEJIVI jats went to Gohana and Chandigarh to put across the correct picture? Gohana was a sad chapter and if we remain busy in condeming our community than there will be many more Gohanas,Kharkhodas,Jhajjars and Bahadurgarhs in times to come [though i wish none should happen].Kindly don't take anything said herein to the heart as it is just a healthy discussion please.
Regards!
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Point well taken, Dev
Dear Dev bhai,
You have aptly communicated your thoughts a second time around and some of the points have been internalised by me but at the same time another thought disturbs me and that is the possibility of mind getting closed and the ghettoisation as has happened with some of the communities.
Besides, it is said that from the saintly and idealist to the extremist is but one step and come to think of saintly and idealist in terms of fixation with supporting the community even when facts speak otherwise could lead to extreme positions for individuals as well as for the group concerned. Herd mentality and could also result from such an approach leading the community and individual nowhere. Besides, atrophy of the individual is the biggest danger from such a course.
Well, how could I take anything to heart,never, for its only once in a while that one finds an apt match in someone who makes my grey matter tick. I know i am not a know all and am wrong at times and I wish to learn and grow buddy.
Would love to hear your reflections in the context of the current post.
With warm regards
Dhiren Singh
Advocate
devdahiya said:
Dear Dev bhai,
You have aptly communicated your thoughts a second time around and some of the points have been internalised by me but at the same time another thought disturbs me and that is the possibility of mind getting closed and the ghettoisation as has happened with some of the communities.
Besides, it is said that from the saintly and idealist to the extremist is but one step and come to think of saintly and idealist in terms of fixation with supporting the community even when facts speak otherwise could lead to extreme positions for individuals as well as for the group concerned. Herd mentality and could also result from such an approach leading the community and individual nowhere. Besides, atrophy of the individual is the biggest danger from such a course.
Well, how could I take anything to heart,never, for its only once in a while that one finds an apt match in someone who makes my grey matter tick. I know i am not a know all and am wrong at times and I wish to learn and grow buddy.
Would love to hear your reflections in the context of the current post.
With warm regards
Dhiren Singh
Advocate
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