Should a widow remarry or not..?????

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arunshamli said:
1. What Mr. Ravi said, gives the impression that Dayanand was against stri jati. and he(Ravi) used the word child producing machine. Which in this context is wrong. Mr. Ravi did not give the complete information. and the complete information is that Niyog is for both men and women with out any discrimination of gender.

2. Swami's Idea was that sex is not for pleasure, it is only for reprodcution. and he did not think that sex is a bad thing. so this "one night thing" seem bad to those people who think sex is a bad.


Niyog is not being practiced by any body (including Jats) in modern time. But it was pracitced in old days. Dashrath ke charo putra niyog se paida hue the. panch pandav niyog se paida hue the.



you are right, He was not entirly in favor of widow remarriage. this is allowed in special case only. he has said ki agar koi shadi hote hee vidhwa/vidhur ho jata/jati hai and they have not live togather, they can have a second marriage.
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That is exactly what I am saying.

the Swami was in favour of Niyog, and not widow remarriage. No one can point to the Jats following this custom.

Since you are interested in the Vedas.

The custom, unless I am mistaken, is only mentioned is in the 10th mandala,(book) which is a late mandala, ( a late interpolation), unrelated to the other nine.


The Jat custom was widow remarriage. - Karewa, Chadar etc, but not Niyog.

Today if you talk to the Arya Samaj shastris, they will tell you unanimously( and rightly so). that the Arya Samaj supports Widow Remarriage and therefore we should not hang too much, i.e literally, on what is said in the Satyarth Prakash re this.

Deswalji is right. we should not get bogged down in petty detail.


Re the Pandavs story- Please try not to accept the Mahabharat as the gospel truth.

Please see my previous post.

On female feoticde.

This is a sick practice, and best eliminated.

This is not to defend any jat family where this occurs, but it is not restricted to the jats, but occurs all over, in all communities. One has only to look at the number of ultrasound labs springing up. They do not cater only to Jats, nor do Jats get a volume discount or community based discount.

Yet it is only the Jats that get the criticsim!

It is an important topic, and should be discussed separately.


Ravi Chaudhary
 
ravichaudhary said:
My approach the study of the Vedas, from a historical perspective, is that we are dealing with only one version- the Sayana version.

Ravi Chaudhary
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Swami had completely rejected Sayana. also he himslef had written the commentory for Rigveda and Yajurveda. you might want to read him.

If you are interested you can read article on this web site http://www.vedah.com there are some good articles which you may like or may not like. this is a south Indian web site but they were inspired by Arubindo(who was a not a south Indian).
 
arunshamli said:
Swami had completely rejected Sayana. also he himslef had written the commentory for Rigveda and Yajurveda. you might want to read him.

If you are interested you can read article on this web site http://www.vedah.com there are some good articles which you may like or may not like. this is a south Indian web site but they were inspired by Arubindo(who was a not a south Indian).
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I have heard this before.

Is Swami ji interpretation on line?

Ravi
 
Arun ........q meri image kharab karvane ke piche....
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ha...ha...ha...

Don't think like that Arun.

850/1000

It is really shameful,no if and but,what ever may be the reason.

This is the most important issue cocerning our society and members should think about it.
Plz continue your discussion....
 
Dear brothers,

Indeed many of us have very little knowledge of Vedas and other literature, but all of us have some roots (sanskaras) inside us - and that is why we are all discussing the subject. It is indeed a good sign of our awakening. Swamiji had started the work of 'Bhasya' of all vedas but he could not complete the entire task. Rigvedbhasya remained incomplete. Nevertheless, the commentary of Adisankaracharya is truly vedic but his texts are available only in a few libraries. I shall attempt a short article on this subject some time later.

And Sayan's commentary ('Bhasya') is completely rejected. He was the one who interpreted 'Ashvamedh' as "sacrifing a horse to holy fire". He has also interpreted 'Go-medh" as 'killing a cow" (actually 'gomedh' means to look after cows - same as 'govardhan'). We all know that 'Ashvamedh' means an old system where a horse was used to be released by a might emperor and whosoever try to stop it, meant that he is challenging the king. Not only Western sholars, we had such half-literate scholars earlier, who brought a bad name to our literature. Swami Dayanand only corrected their mistakes and showed a true path to our society.
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Deswal Bhai
Can you throw some light on commentaries by Sri Aurobindo Ghosh ? He also had similar views as Swami Dayanand Saraswati about Sayana.
 
Conclusion

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Vikas Gulia from Badli village (Haryana) opened a Pandora’s box by starting this thread on 24 February (Bhai Vikas Gulia is pursuing ph.d. from University of Delhi) but after that, he himself did not participate in this long discussion. By this moment, this thread has been read by more than 1100 readers. Heated debate continued among NRI brothers, mostly in USA and Canada. In between, hot exchanges took place and the topic was diverted to a petty issue. Wow! It seems USA-wallahs are the ones who would bring revolution in our society simply by such discussions over the Internet ! Among them, there might be many young Jat members of marriageable age in USA/ Canada. But none has so far dared to give a straight answer (Yes/No) to Sumit Dahiya’s question : “Who all are willing to marry widows. I see some very patronizing males on this forum supporting the idea. But, if someday you were facing a decision to get married, would you be willing to marry a widow?”

In the beginning only, I had said : “discussing a topic is different but the realities to be faced are quite contrary”.

A request : Since the flood-waters seem to have receded now, there is one humble request : let one of the members located in the US find out the current position in regard to the case of a destitute Jat girl (Geeta Singh) – though she is not a widow. She was the subject of a thread Help Required from Jat Members in America . It would be better if someone from Jat community in USA finds out the current position and make a comment on that thread.

The sum and substance of this whole thread :
The famous sayings and idioms – let us terminate the debate with some humor.

“Much ado about nothing”
“Make a mountain out of a molehill” – English

“Baat ka battangadd”
“Til ka taadd - raayi ka pahadd”
“Na soot, na kapaas – aur julaahon mein latthamm-latthaan” – Hindi

“Seeng nahin, poonch pakaddna”
“Bichalla (center) nahin, thaud (kinaara) pakaddna”
“Boomblyaan pey gahntaa chalana”
“Jhote Taley Doodh ki Balti dharnaa” – Haryanavi/ Desi !!!

Aur sab ko Ram-Ram.
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Mr Deswal

You are trvializing the topic

You can do one of two things, broadly

1) hang in to the Hindu sanathan dharam system, with its anti widow remarriage bias.

or

2) we can acknowledge that it is an ancient Jat custom and the Jats have that tradition even today and our proud of it.

[ Best leave Swami Dayand's views out of this- in this case they are not in tune with the Jat tradition. nOw if you wish to disscuss his views , start a new thread]

Marriage is a personal choice and best left to the person getting married and their family.

There are plenty of familes with their daughters who have been widowed,a nd we see plenty of happy endings.

The only point to note is, that there is no reason for jats not to marry a widowed lady, and they have no reason to be ashamed to do so.

If anything, this thread has done, it is to reinforce that tradition.


Best regards


Ravi Chaudhary
 
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