well made movie with excellent performances...esplly by those two young kids.we should feel proud that a movie based on indian characters has gone so far .only ppl living in slums of bombay can tell the reality there..and for amit ji it s like grapes are sour.we should treat this movie like a movie not as the real depiction of slums.
Slums and Dogs
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to sum up some reactions
1. a good/wonderful movie - i concede the director has knowledge of film making and story telling and has done it well. some positive aspects brought to notice by shekhar, the humble hero not succumbing to crime and only in search for his lady love, good . the child artists - good
2. an average/below average movie - didnt show us anything new, ar rahman is good but not better than his own best. very obvious theme of a westerner making movie on poverty here.
3. slap in our face/insult - yes, it is widely watched movie, could effect opinions around the world. u make a movie on one aspect of our society exaggerated to make it seem prevalent, feels insulting. People who feel its prevalent should stop staring at squatting backs(on a lighter note, squatting backs has been mentioned too often in discussions on this film), there is much more to india than that.
4. just a movie/commmercial movie - right, agreed, at the end of the day we need to worry more about our own worries and causes and our bread and butter work. this movie wont cause a world war.
5. entertainer movie - a person watching it for movies sake , it is very just for him to take it as an entertainer. it is an entertainer.
6. movie depicts reality - we know reality, if this movie helps us do something to deal with this reality, i would be only happy it came out.
7. will anyone risk making a movie on 'abu gharib' or the civilian population destroyed by american bombing and make it to oscars??? the way america instigated islamic extremism in aphghanistan with pakistani assistance to fight russia and then when russia left, they left aphghanistan to fend for itself. the dirt they left unattended is falling back on them and the world and they are still heroes??
america or the west would never allow anyone to make movies about negatives in their present or past (they ve to be perfect heroes and saviors of this world) but if we want to call parts of our society and history as bad, they would be more than willing to help.
1. a good/wonderful movie - i concede the director has knowledge of film making and story telling and has done it well. some positive aspects brought to notice by shekhar, the humble hero not succumbing to crime and only in search for his lady love, good . the child artists - good
2. an average/below average movie - didnt show us anything new, ar rahman is good but not better than his own best. very obvious theme of a westerner making movie on poverty here.
3. slap in our face/insult - yes, it is widely watched movie, could effect opinions around the world. u make a movie on one aspect of our society exaggerated to make it seem prevalent, feels insulting. People who feel its prevalent should stop staring at squatting backs(on a lighter note, squatting backs has been mentioned too often in discussions on this film), there is much more to india than that.
4. just a movie/commmercial movie - right, agreed, at the end of the day we need to worry more about our own worries and causes and our bread and butter work. this movie wont cause a world war.
5. entertainer movie - a person watching it for movies sake , it is very just for him to take it as an entertainer. it is an entertainer.
6. movie depicts reality - we know reality, if this movie helps us do something to deal with this reality, i would be only happy it came out.
7. will anyone risk making a movie on 'abu gharib' or the civilian population destroyed by american bombing and make it to oscars??? the way america instigated islamic extremism in aphghanistan with pakistani assistance to fight russia and then when russia left, they left aphghanistan to fend for itself. the dirt they left unattended is falling back on them and the world and they are still heroes??
america or the west would never allow anyone to make movies about negatives in their present or past (they ve to be perfect heroes and saviors of this world) but if we want to call parts of our society and history as bad, they would be more than willing to help.
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India is full of problems "Social, Communal, Economical & Regional"
We can say at least our Indian society is Media Driven & it's not new..it's since the old age cinema.
Everytime some Documentry/Movie/Film/Coverage etc comes among Indian society which is relevant to above mentioned problems..the thing comes into few hearts is "..HOPE"
Hope of new Ideas, Actions, Moves & Thaughts reinforcing the rectification process leading to a positive change.
As it was regarding SLUMS in INDIA
It was not just for the entertainment but for much more that that.
Though not the first show but I watched movies on 23rd Jan the First Day..
It has covered some parts of our Juhu Airport also so we all here were discussing about like "how the film would be..!!?"
We were curious right since I heard it's music & came to know it's performance & ofcourse theme/script. I liked it most ...specially "aaja aaja jind shamiyaane ke tale" by AR Rehman & Gulzar
We were hopeful that the movie would definitely reveal some genuine problems the Indian slum dwellers encounter on daily basis.
We were hopeful that movie will focus mainly on PROBLEMS faced by slum people but incidently it came out like to focus on LITTERING & MOCKING just to spread controversy & win prizes on issues which are favourite of critics & attached emotionally to a greater mass over the globe.
Some people say it was a commercial film...but think yaar ...commercial film with such a noble theme & that's even focusing on other less relevant issues who are already known to the world.
When it was such a significant initiation by some director..then why didn't he focused on Real Problems..& ..was it needed of featuring those s**t scenes.
If the focus was reality then why not shoot those morning scenes along the railway tracks between Boriwali & Kandiwali. That is also reality of India.
Suppose a film made on villages to show difficult & struggling life of villagers & if..movie starts with some villagers attending nature's call in fields..how would we feel about the Director..is it the reality..ya may be it is the reality..but it is not the ONLY reality..now most of the villages have Toilets & Bathrooms in their home so they would feel happy if the film would show those & focus mainly on other genuine problem like female foeticide, education, castism, communalism etc etc...rather than to show only a few people who still use open fields in the morning
So the director must focus on real problem not to PRIZES
LAGAAN & CHAK DE were examples how a movie can impact on human mind positively.
That's why I have objections to those s**t scenes which were irrelevant & were not required for the storyline at all.
I have objection to scenes people making fun of a poor boy which may even widen the gap between rich & poor..that's even in India where we are already well divided almost on all criterion.
Good things were the struggle & learning process of a slum underdog child to his destiny.
& regarding situations of slums in india e.g. for DHARAVI which was depicted by the movie you just read the mumbai mirror of 28 jan
http://www.mumbaimirror.com/index.a...47&contentid=20090128200901280248197893163146
to know what is their lifestyle.
They also dream equally though not so big but they also do.
I would say on personal opinion,
Topic is superb & justified
Theme/Script was good
Acting was excellent
Music also excellent
Lyrics of song "Jai Ho.." superb
but
Direction was not good at all & irrelevant all the way.
We can say at least our Indian society is Media Driven & it's not new..it's since the old age cinema.
Everytime some Documentry/Movie/Film/Coverage etc comes among Indian society which is relevant to above mentioned problems..the thing comes into few hearts is "..HOPE"
Hope of new Ideas, Actions, Moves & Thaughts reinforcing the rectification process leading to a positive change.
As it was regarding SLUMS in INDIA
It was not just for the entertainment but for much more that that.
Though not the first show but I watched movies on 23rd Jan the First Day..
It has covered some parts of our Juhu Airport also so we all here were discussing about like "how the film would be..!!?"
We were curious right since I heard it's music & came to know it's performance & ofcourse theme/script. I liked it most ...specially "aaja aaja jind shamiyaane ke tale" by AR Rehman & Gulzar
We were hopeful that the movie would definitely reveal some genuine problems the Indian slum dwellers encounter on daily basis.
We were hopeful that movie will focus mainly on PROBLEMS faced by slum people but incidently it came out like to focus on LITTERING & MOCKING just to spread controversy & win prizes on issues which are favourite of critics & attached emotionally to a greater mass over the globe.
Some people say it was a commercial film...but think yaar ...commercial film with such a noble theme & that's even focusing on other less relevant issues who are already known to the world.
When it was such a significant initiation by some director..then why didn't he focused on Real Problems..& ..was it needed of featuring those s**t scenes.
If the focus was reality then why not shoot those morning scenes along the railway tracks between Boriwali & Kandiwali. That is also reality of India.
Suppose a film made on villages to show difficult & struggling life of villagers & if..movie starts with some villagers attending nature's call in fields..how would we feel about the Director..is it the reality..ya may be it is the reality..but it is not the ONLY reality..now most of the villages have Toilets & Bathrooms in their home so they would feel happy if the film would show those & focus mainly on other genuine problem like female foeticide, education, castism, communalism etc etc...rather than to show only a few people who still use open fields in the morning
So the director must focus on real problem not to PRIZES
LAGAAN & CHAK DE were examples how a movie can impact on human mind positively.
That's why I have objections to those s**t scenes which were irrelevant & were not required for the storyline at all.
I have objection to scenes people making fun of a poor boy which may even widen the gap between rich & poor..that's even in India where we are already well divided almost on all criterion.
Good things were the struggle & learning process of a slum underdog child to his destiny.
& regarding situations of slums in india e.g. for DHARAVI which was depicted by the movie you just read the mumbai mirror of 28 jan
http://www.mumbaimirror.com/index.a...47&contentid=20090128200901280248197893163146
to know what is their lifestyle.
They also dream equally though not so big but they also do.
I would say on personal opinion,
Topic is superb & justified
Theme/Script was good
Acting was excellent
Music also excellent
Lyrics of song "Jai Ho.." superb
but
Direction was not good at all & irrelevant all the way.
slumdog millionaire @ Academy awards
Simon Beaufoy lifts best adapted screenplay award for Slumdog Millionaire.
and another one.....its getting even better and better
Anthony Dod Mantle - Best Cinematography
and here is hat trick, another one for
Sound mixing.
another one for film editing- Chris Dickens
Simon Beaufoy lifts best adapted screenplay award for Slumdog Millionaire.
and another one.....its getting even better and better
Anthony Dod Mantle - Best Cinematography
and here is hat trick, another one for
Sound mixing.
another one for film editing- Chris Dickens
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Many quality films often provide an introspection that is often slightly painful, especially from a visual standpoint. They often force you to think about issues "larger than you," and your day-to-day grind.
Dismissing facts such as a large under-priveledged population, religious strife, or child-exploitation as inflammatory or a smug gesture from the West seems a bit off-the-mark. Especially when there is some truth to the matter.
There are very few people in America that will disagree that India IS on a path to Great Power status (and many agree that India has already acheived this).
Rather, it would be more on-target to acknowledge such conditions of injustice, and showcase them as a means of awareness.
There are no shortages of films that provide Americans with an introspective view. Atrocities against Native Americans, Tragedies of National Policy and Social Injustice are all well-documented in film, by the hundreds.
The final answer in the movie "it is written" strikes at the soul of what America and India have in common...an unlikely rise of opportunity when hope is present; the Nexus of Indian-American relations...raising awareness for those less fortunate.
ric
Dismissing facts such as a large under-priveledged population, religious strife, or child-exploitation as inflammatory or a smug gesture from the West seems a bit off-the-mark. Especially when there is some truth to the matter.
There are very few people in America that will disagree that India IS on a path to Great Power status (and many agree that India has already acheived this).
Rather, it would be more on-target to acknowledge such conditions of injustice, and showcase them as a means of awareness.
There are no shortages of films that provide Americans with an introspective view. Atrocities against Native Americans, Tragedies of National Policy and Social Injustice are all well-documented in film, by the hundreds.
The final answer in the movie "it is written" strikes at the soul of what America and India have in common...an unlikely rise of opportunity when hope is present; the Nexus of Indian-American relations...raising awareness for those less fortunate.
ric
"whole of my Life I had a choice to choose Hate or Love, I chose Love,
that is why I am here"
AR Rahman
You are true ambassador of love, that is the essence of Indian culture!
And you are a true ambassador of Indian Culture!
I am so so proud of you Rahman!
Congratulations to rahman, Gulzar and the Guy who won Oscar for sound Mixing, Pukutty!
He reminded the world most beautiful sound in the world" OM "
Also, Congratulations to the team of Smile Pinky
that is why I am here"
AR Rahman
You are true ambassador of love, that is the essence of Indian culture!
And you are a true ambassador of Indian Culture!
I am so so proud of you Rahman!
Congratulations to rahman, Gulzar and the Guy who won Oscar for sound Mixing, Pukutty!
He reminded the world most beautiful sound in the world" OM "
Also, Congratulations to the team of Smile Pinky
nishantrathi82
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Great Speech total 6 for Slumdog and one for Smile Pinky best documentory based on a small village of UP.
Well done Mr. AR Rehman
Great going 4 to go
sejwaldeepak
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7
Now 7 for slumdog.
Now 7 for slumdog.
sejwaldeepak
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hehhe
bera sei manne.. ghanii manna rajji ho.. dekhi na ii .
Its 8 .. Best Picture too ..
bera sei manne.. ghanii manna rajji ho.. dekhi na ii .
vivektaliyan
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Jai ho.....jai ho.....:rock:rock:rock:rock:rock:rock:rock
S & d
Hats off to AR Rahman for composing universaly accepted composition , He was really deserving for this crown . And i really liked the speech for the awards that 'These are dedicated to my country '
No offense ' the earlier nominated movies "Lagan and Taare Zamin Par " were much superior, in every aspect, to Slumdog, but these were made by Indian's so that these had to loose.Why is it so that whenever an NRI or a Foeign Individual makes a film based on plight of India, that the film gets such a recognition?
Hats off to AR Rahman for composing universaly accepted composition , He was really deserving for this crown . And i really liked the speech for the awards that 'These are dedicated to my country '
No offense ' the earlier nominated movies "Lagan and Taare Zamin Par " were much superior, in every aspect, to Slumdog, but these were made by Indian's so that these had to loose.Why is it so that whenever an NRI or a Foeign Individual makes a film based on plight of India, that the film gets such a recognition?
satyenderdeswal
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Bhai naveen...
Movie to nahi dekhi kyun ki trailer dekhtey hi mood off ho gaya tha and buri tarikey se gussa araha tha Producer , Director and Actors per...
Pata nahi kyun per paise and fame ke liye desh ki chhavi kharaab karney per unki antaratmaa kabhi nahi kacchot ti unhey??
From trailer, I concluded two of ur points as absolutely true with out any doubt:-
#The movie projects that India is all about slums and dogs, something the western world loves to see and feel.
#What surprises me is that much better movies which projected indian society and its values as good and strong (mother india, lagaan) did not succeed at oscar and when you show india as poor and pathetic, you make it.
Movie to nahi dekhi kyun ki trailer dekhtey hi mood off ho gaya tha and buri tarikey se gussa araha tha Producer , Director and Actors per...
Pata nahi kyun per paise and fame ke liye desh ki chhavi kharaab karney per unki antaratmaa kabhi nahi kacchot ti unhey??
From trailer, I concluded two of ur points as absolutely true with out any doubt:-
#The movie projects that India is all about slums and dogs, something the western world loves to see and feel.
#What surprises me is that much better movies which projected indian society and its values as good and strong (mother india, lagaan) did not succeed at oscar and when you show india as poor and pathetic, you make it.
satyenderdeswal
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Respected Madam,
In My opinion, It is not so as suggested by you that "we should treat this movie like a movie not as the real depiction of slums"
As much as I know "In international society, movie is the mirror of ur society".
Secondly If there are 10 ways to express a thing or to show a reality,then it is not necessary that u shud always pick the worst way to humiliate ur country's image...
In My opinion, It is not so as suggested by you that "we should treat this movie like a movie not as the real depiction of slums"
As much as I know "In international society, movie is the mirror of ur society".
Secondly If there are 10 ways to express a thing or to show a reality,then it is not necessary that u shud always pick the worst way to humiliate ur country's image...
navingulia
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ndtv 24x7
the big fight
8pm, saturday, 28feb
eminent people debate slumdog on ndtv 24x7
would be interesting to watch
the big fight
8pm, saturday, 28feb
eminent people debate slumdog on ndtv 24x7
would be interesting to watch
Congress bought copyright of jai ho
Congress has bought copyrights of the song JAI HO of slumdog millanior . tthey say that this song meets with there ideology. So they will use it in there ELECTION COMPAIGN. I am totally agree with them. I give them full credit of the success of Slum dog milllionior. Bcoz if congreesss dont rule india for india there were no SLUMS and if there were no SLUMS then there was no SLUMDOG MILINIOR .and no OSCAR AWARD. GOOD LUCK INDIA .
Congress has bought copyrights of the song JAI HO of slumdog millanior . tthey say that this song meets with there ideology. So they will use it in there ELECTION COMPAIGN. I am totally agree with them. I give them full credit of the success of Slum dog milllionior. Bcoz if congreesss dont rule india for india there were no SLUMS and if there were no SLUMS then there was no SLUMDOG MILINIOR .and no OSCAR AWARD. GOOD LUCK INDIA .
to differ,,n il clear ur hazy thoughts..shailendra
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By Hollywood, for Hollywood!
...I remember reading the first few posts of this thread when it was first put out- wanted to add my two cents then, as I had very much enjoyed the views presented here and was dying to represent and share my own... and then.... for some reason- did not post anything.
Well, for one thing I had not watched the movie at that point, and even though had exhausted my reading on it from the different sections of the published material all around the place, etc. I still thought it would be quite unfair for any comments in vaccum, regardless of them being pro or against it; that is TILL I saw it...
But NOW I feel that anything that I add is probably already all here and don't need to sound monotonous and/or harping on the same issues;
But having said that I would rather go with what a certain Mr. Abhishek Bachchan said at the recent 13th Wharton India Economic Forum in Philadelphia; something that kind of sums it for me.... (and trust me- he would be the last person on any topic that I would hope to get even two cents worth of words right in one sentence, UNLESS of course if it has got to do anything with his famous last name or the last name that is 'Rai') ....
BUT like I mentioned before; trust me folks, this- has been surprisingly quite the right summation:
He said..."The Chinese and the Indian film industries are huge, but the most visible and audible platforms in the world is one of English. Until you make a film in that language, you are not going to fit in the rest of the world. For example, ‘Slumdog Millionaire’ has an Indian subject but is made in English. (Had it been made in Hindi, say, by Inder Kumar, I do not think it would have as many viewers.)
"At the end of the day, 'Slumdog Millionaire’ was a Hollywood product for Hollywood. It was not made for Indians," Abhishek said... Period!
Amen!
...I remember reading the first few posts of this thread when it was first put out- wanted to add my two cents then, as I had very much enjoyed the views presented here and was dying to represent and share my own... and then.... for some reason- did not post anything.
Well, for one thing I had not watched the movie at that point, and even though had exhausted my reading on it from the different sections of the published material all around the place, etc. I still thought it would be quite unfair for any comments in vaccum, regardless of them being pro or against it; that is TILL I saw it...
But NOW I feel that anything that I add is probably already all here and don't need to sound monotonous and/or harping on the same issues;
But having said that I would rather go with what a certain Mr. Abhishek Bachchan said at the recent 13th Wharton India Economic Forum in Philadelphia; something that kind of sums it for me.... (and trust me- he would be the last person on any topic that I would hope to get even two cents worth of words right in one sentence
, UNLESS of course if it has got to do anything with his famous last name or the last name that is 'Rai') ....BUT like I mentioned before; trust me folks, this- has been surprisingly quite the right summation:
He said..."The Chinese and the Indian film industries are huge, but the most visible and audible platforms in the world is one of English. Until you make a film in that language, you are not going to fit in the rest of the world. For example, ‘Slumdog Millionaire’ has an Indian subject but is made in English. (Had it been made in Hindi, say, by Inder Kumar, I do not think it would have as many viewers.)
"At the end of the day, 'Slumdog Millionaire’ was a Hollywood product for Hollywood. It was not made for Indians," Abhishek said... Period!
Amen!
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