Sukbir Siwaich, Times of India on Jats

I will reiterate my suggestions on how to deal with Siwaich and his ilk

Remember that at most there are now a maximum of 40 journalists, who write such baseless material.

It is not the entire media that is anti Jat, just a few people, - max 40.

40 people are easy to handle.

To keep things in perspective there are 15,000 + members on this forum, this khap. 15,000 responses will get the attention of Siwaich and his masters.

Siwaich does not own Times of India. The whole editorial team is not anti Jat.

Our task is educating the TOI editorial team. That is best done by copying them on their inaccurate reporting. They will take action as the e mail boxes are filled with truthful responses. (No need to use abusive language, no matter how upset we are).

Some months ago, I had interacted with the TOI team.

They were publishing inane material and happily editing my comments so as to present a distorted view.

The team was asked to bring the comments to the attention of their supervisors. The team was also asked to visit this forum, and the ‘Jathistory’ group, to educate them. They were also invited to contact me directly by e mail and phone.

The result - They did not contact me. They did block further comments, the number of virulent anti Jat articles decreased


I have good reason to believe, that this Jatland forum is visited by many, if not all, journalists who write on Jat affairs. Those who ignore this site do so at their own peril, and continued ignorance.

Yes , there will still be odd ignorant article out there, but no journalist worth his/her salt, and who is looking for a serious career in journalism, will write articles on the jat and ignore the material and comments on this forum.

This forum is a think tank on Jats, and increasingly is being recognized as one.

We have made much progress in the last year. Two excellent seminars have been held with the media, and this has had positive effects.

Be patient, be proactive.

Remember we are only dealing with a maximum of 30 -40 ignorant people, masquerading as journalists.

Let us educate them, on a one to one basis

We can handle them.


Here, on this thread, let us educate Mr Siwaich.

Can we debunk Siwaich's article, with fact and rationale.


I must confess that I was disturbed to find him cutting and pasting material from an anti India, anti Hindu forum for his article.


Best regards


Ravi Chaudhary

PS Mr Siwaich is again invited to join this group, and also contact the members personally.
 
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Interestingly, I found no other information on this topic concerning Haryana other than Mr Siwach's article and also a dozens of blogs, sites that carry same article from TOI, including a Pakistani Daily.
The only source quoted by Mr Siwach was a study by UNICEF in Rohtak Disst. of Haryana and the sample size of 83 girls. No more information or source anywhere but vague statements by individuals in other articles.
Some statements, are unbelievably so absurd that it leads to instant irritation. Some Proff. Ravinder Kaur of IIT Delhi was quoted as saying, “In North India, the father-in-law almost had the right to physical relations with a daughter-in-law, and in most cases the female was not in a position to resist much.
The very young husband also had no say in the matter.
Widows would routinely be married to a brother of the dead husband. Sharing of the wife by brothers was also not uncommon, ” says Ravinder Kaur, a professor at IIT-Delhi.

I can understand the anger of members as we all come from that background and know how the facts have been twisted and exaggerated to sensationalize and to make it a bit spicy reading. But again I would reiterate that there would be isolated consented and unconsented cases in rural as well as urban Haryana.


Sateypal

Deswalji, you won't find anything as there is nothing. Sukhbir Siwach writes from his imagination. I think he sees this issue as his ticket to higher echelons of journalism. So why not write something that makes people take notice of him. And being a Jat, he can claim to know Jats, while also getting an alibi that he can't write biased articles against Jats!

Ravinder Kaur is another character- she is seen in a pretty low light by the students at IIT Delhi. I won't take what she says seriously at all. She does her own academic field a huge injustice by writing these articles without any research. She has been writing articles and papers on this issue in Indian Express and Economics and Political Weekly. I had written a 4-post critique of this article of hers which is published on the comments section:
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/noose-family-ties/650636/1

I do plan to take her on at a more serious level, if time and energy permits.
 
Deswalji, you won't find anything as there is nothing. Sukhbir Siwach writes from his imagination. I think he sees this issue as his ticket to higher echelons of journalism. So why not write something that makes people take notice of him. And being a Jat, he can claim to know Jats, while also getting an alibi that he can't write biased articles against Jats!

Ravinder Kaur is another character- she is seen in a pretty low light by the students at IIT Delhi. I won't take what she says seriously at all. She does her own academic field a huge injustice by writing these articles without any research. She has been writing articles and papers on this issue in Indian Express and Economics and Political Weekly. I had written a 4-post critique of this article of hers which is published on the comments section:
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/noose-family-ties/650636/1

I do plan to take her on at a more serious level, if time and energy permits.

Kapil,

What you , Arvind , and a few others( and in time I hope we gets lots more analytical writers), are doing is the propper effective way of countering these individuals.

Old adage - "A lie unchallenged becomes the truth."

We can, and must expose these lies.


There are only 30 -40 of them. They will cease to propogate such bunk, once they know that will be challenged.

Siwaich,and co cannot have a free hand.

He is a public figure and can take the consequences.

Ravi Chaudhary
 
Dear fellow members,
This thread is being closed till tempers cool and I read all posts.
See you in the evening.

Have a nice day :-)


regards,
bharti.
 
Pseudo-moralists, pseudo-secularists and neo-liberal-nazis by default are deprived of nativist pride and as an effect they feel ashamed to their association with native values. They by unconscious mental make up choose a degenerate and traitor belief and turn ecstatic with the illusion and delusion that 99% of world is with them when they are cheered up by fistful watery-eyed advocates coughing up cheap rationalisations for this self-inflicted mental syndrome.They are so much in love with victimised mentality that their conscience is emotionally unfit to discern the emotions like relations,proud,honour,history and family values. Their enfeebled soul is so sick that to satiate its hungar they like to see every defaulter some martyr in eternal love journey. They [DRs,Jagmatis,Siwachs and their supporters] sound like educated but seem to dwell in the sewarage of the academics.
 
The problem is they got inferiority complex. They are ashamed of their roots. They see all wrong with their ancestors. Liberals, in whose company these move, make fun of them, their roots, their associations, their rituals. And then they vent it out in front of us. Because they can't vent it in front of their masters whose hands they lick. If given a chance, first thing they would do is change their roots. All is not wrong with jats and khaps!
 
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Sukbir Siwaich at it again
http://publication.samachar.com/pub...331991|10332951|10333520|10329402&nextIndex=3
Pay up for your honour, govt to lovers
Sukhbir Siwach, TNN, Oct 7, 2010, 01.26am IST


CHANDIGARH/ GURGAON: Haryana government has decided to charge a fee from lovers staying in shelter homes in the khap-hit state.

The shelter homes, which are also called protection centres, were recently set up to take care of couples running away from their persecuting families who believe in the khap writ.

In an official order issued on Wednesday, the government made it clear that the charges of boarding or lodging would be determined by a committee.

From now on, boarding and lodging charges will be borne by couples staying at the shelter homes, said an official order issued on Wednesday.

Explaining the logic behind such charges, a government official said, If a boy and girl opt for marriage, then the couple should be able to meet their daily financial requirements as well. Incidentally, the decision came after reports that a couple was staying at such a home for long.

The latest decision of the state government may invite the ire of social organizations as well as intelligentsia. Its not the fault of the couples, as they are forced to stay in shelter homes for genuine fear of life, said Jagmati Sangwan, state vice-president, All India Democratic Women Association ( AIDWA).

The government has failed to provide a safe environment for lover-couples to live. Hence, it is the duty of the government to give free accommodation to the khap victims, said Sangwan, adding that their organization would approach the National Commission for Women (NCW) if the latest directions are implemented.

Upset over the concept of shelter homes, president of the Dhankhar Khap, Om Parkash Dhankhar, has apprehended the misuse of such accommodations. Dhankar is of the view that no free shelter facility should be provided to eloping couples.

Government sources said that shelter homes have been set up in all 21 districts of the state. Normally, the run-away couples would be provided shelter at the protection centres for a period of ten days.

During this period their threat perception will be reviewed by a committee. The period of shelter will be further extended by the committee from time to time for a period of maximum 10 days after each review.

Recently, the state government had disclosed that about 125 couples are living under police protection at different places in the state.

The decision to set up shelter homes had been taken in the contest of dozens of honour killings. Most of the shelter homes are located close to police lines for reasons of safety.


Read more: Pay up for your honour, govt to lovers - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-lovers/articleshow/6702383.cms#ixzz11cthIptW

Cool! More of the politician-elite class of people refusing to do their job, refusing to protect the human rights of good, normal citizens of India. Can't wait to see the ranks of Maoists get filled with more and more Indians by the minute. Good job rich corrupt politicians in India.
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NS (Delhi)
07 Oct, 2010 03:52 AM
Then why govt not charging for providing security to politicians including all opposition and ruling? It is like charging security for naxalites affected people. It is govt's dutu to control unruly khap. This should be worst of Haryana Govt.
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Anup Kumar (Los Angeles)
07 Oct, 2010 03:35 AM
The rule of law doesn't seem to apply to Haryana. Its so sad to see that with India becoming so open over the years, the state government is going the opposite direction. In the 21st Century, if we still have problems with Love Marriages, I shudder to think what the future beholds for us. I think its time for us to wake up.
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Aditya Adhikari (Chandighar)
07 Oct, 2010 03:33 AM
How many here loved the movie "Qyamt Se Qyamat Tak"
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ASHOK MALHOTRA (USA)
07 Oct, 2010 02:08 AM
It is the primary duty of the state to provide security to its citizens. For its own political reasons, if the state cannot stop the khaps in their murderous assaults on the young men and women, the least the state can do, is to provide free shelter to such harassed couples.
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Suresh Pandey (New York City) replies to ASHOK MALHOTRA
07 Oct, 2010 05:29 AM
Here's an example of where a system other than democracy would better serve the people. If India had a China-style government that was not elected by these barbaric panchayat types who are still living in the 3rd century BC, then they could actually upload truth and human rights and fight these panchayats instead of be dependent on them for political support. Just saying. I'm an NRI, I'm fine. My parents left India because of things like honor killings, among other problems. If you guys don't wanna take any action and just occasionally write something online, be my guest. You guys are the ones who have to live in India.
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Sukbir Siwaich at it again
http://publication.samachar.com/pub...331991|10332951|10333520|10329402&nextIndex=3
Pay up for your honour, govt to lovers
Sukhbir Siwach, TNN, Oct 7, 2010, 01.26am IST


My comment to TOI

" Khaps panchayats do not order killings . Despite Times of India’s and Siwaich’s tirades, no one has provided one single piece of evidence for this, not one photo, not one video. The reason is simple- it is an untruth.

To get an idea of the other people’s versions re TOI and to Siwaich’s tirades , visit

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showt...ch-Times-of-India-on-Jats&p=254063#post254063

Readers are encourage to make up their own minds- based on fact not sensationalism.

Let us see if TOI can publish other versions.

Ravi Chaudhary

October 6, 2010 END
 
Ravinder Kaur is another character- she is seen in a pretty low light by the students at IIT Delhi. I won't take what she says seriously at all. She does her own academic field a huge injustice by writing these articles without any research. She has been writing articles and papers on this issue in Indian Express and Economics and Political Weekly. I had written a 4-post critique of this article of hers which is published on the comments section:
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/noose-family-ties/650636/1

I do plan to take her on at a more serious level, if time and energy permits.[/QUOTE

Kapil, I read your comments in reply to Ravinder Kaur Today. Your critique was excellent, highly balanced and to the point. You are a great writer, indeed.
 
Dear Friends...

I dont know much about Jagmati or DR.

but the thing is that somebody is doubting on our culture and heritage and calling it as shameful..
Kisi aur jati ya samaj ke barey main bol kar dekhop..daant tod dengey..
er adey hum discuss karey hai ki lekh thik likhey unhoney...ya galti te likh diya...balak hai we tey...kai bhai te un ney massom batavey hai...

pher likhengey ki hum JAT hai...

Can anybody tell me whether this kind of response is expected from JATS???
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Aise log sudhrte nahi... its hard to change minds and its impossible to change a mind which is tainted with a fake feeling of its being elite n special.
these guys sudnt get attention of this forum , inka ilaaz inke balak kar denge jab chuhde chamara ne inke samdhi banawenge .
fer ye budhaape me kaum ke tagde wafadaar bhi banenge . Let's not give them a damn. !!!
chhati thok ke kaho ke hum jat hain . and keep our uniqueness intact.
 
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