Supreme Court Notice to Centre on Jat Reservation

avinashb said:
The petitioner Murari Lal Gupta is from Bhiwani ... He just went against the Haryana Government's move just out of jealousy,nothing more ..

When Jats of Uttar Pradesh were given OBC quota at state level in 2000,it was challenged too in UP High Court.
Jats of UP were given OBC quota without any survey then State Government took 3 months to conduct survey and hence OBC quota to Jats was retained.

At least in Haryana,Jats were recommended reservation on the basis of KC Gupta Commission,Retired Justice of High Court.

As such there was no stay on SBC quota by High Court,,the State Government of Haryana needs that Jat reservation motion is passed by 2/3rd majority in Vidhan Sabha of Haryana.
If State Government pass it by 2/3rd majority then even Supreme Court can't do anything.
Anything which is passed by 2/3rd majority in Legislature becomes Constitutional amendment,then Judiciary can't interfere.
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This means the matter relating to grant of Reservation to the Community has yet to face 'Agani Priksha'.
 
DrRajpalSingh said:
This means the matter relating to grant of Reservation to the Community has yet to face 'Agani Priksha'.
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Yes the motion has to be unanimously passed by Vidhan Sabha if Government of Haryana is unable to defend its case properly in High Court/Supreme Court .

At present,Jat reservation is just notification.Next government can cancel it .. You would remember,Bhajanlal cancelled the Jat reservation notification of Master Hukum Singh ..
So we can't take risk of getting reservation just on the basis of Notification because next government may be anti-jat
 
upendersingh said:
According to Commandant (retd.) Hawa Singh Sangwan if we Jats don't vote Congress, then we are traitors because Congress has given reservation to us in centre. If this is the doctrine, then why should we forget Muzaffarnagar riots (the main reason for compelling the Congress to give reservation to the Jats as there was fear of Jat votes' polarization)? If Muzaffarnagar riots would have not happened, then I don't think Congress was going to take this step. So Muzaffarnagar riots are main reason. During the riots BJP supported we Jats there and our other Hindu brothers were too with us. Though we did all on our own, but our other Hindu brothers were fully with us. No doubt in that. So we should support BJP. Another reason for it is if we don't do so then country may have to face hung assembly. In Delhi we are facing the same problem and Delhiites are going to bear extra burden of poll again. So Congress is seeming to be a sinking ship and if we don't vote BJP, then we will support a hung assembly, which is not good for country. And after this hung assembly again there is no option but BJP. So the conditions are like either you have no government in India or you have got to vote BJP.
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Appeal by Hawa Singh Sangwan ji is meant for Jats of Haryana only .. Jats of UP can vote by their wish.

If BJP is anti-muslim in UP then it is anti-Jat in Haryana.

If Jats of Haryana don't give vote to Congress they would definitely give to INLD.
Again INLD has given ticket to a Muslim in Gurgaon and Jats have considerable votes in Gurgaon(around 1.5 lakh) .. If they would give vote to INLD,there vote will ultimately go to Muslim only.

This is somewhat irony ... I think so.
Different states different situations ..
 
avinashb said:
Appeal by Hawa Singh Sangwan ji is meant for Jats of Haryana only .. Jats of UP can vote by their wish.

If BJP is anti-muslim in UP then it is anti-Jat in Haryana.

If Jats of Haryana don't give vote to Congress they would definitely give to INLD.
Again INLD has given ticket to a Muslim in Gurgaon and Jats have considerable votes in Gurgaon(around 1.5 lakh) .. If they would give vote to INLD,there vote will ultimately go to Muslim only.

This is somewhat irony ... I think so.
Different states different situations ..
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In this thread there is nowhere mentioned that appeal by Hawa Singh Sangwan ji is meant for Jats of Haryana only. And it is not the matter of Haryana or UP. This is Lok Sabha poll. You will have to think beyond the state boundaries. Do you want hung assembly? It is very unfortunate that people like you are just thinking of Haryana and not of country.
 
Dahiya sahab, question should be asked to the INLD infact. They have been operating their shop as pro-jat party. Ironically their stand right from the start has been an 'economic base reservation'. Economic base reservation is equal to saying NO to reservation. So how are they pro-jat in this regard?

dahiyask said:
Friends,


Mr. Sangwan has said that all Jats should vote to Congress as this party has given reservation to Jats.

Those who don't vote Congress would be traitors (gaddar).
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upendersingh said:
In this thread there is nowhere mentioned that appeal by Hawa Singh Sangwan ji is meant for Jats of Haryana only. And it is not the matter of Haryana or UP. This is Lok Sabha poll. You will have to think beyond the state boundaries. Do you want hung assembly? It is very unfortunate that people like you are just thinking of Haryana and not of country.
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Hawa Singh Sangwan ji gave these statements in Narnaund and Meham .. These come under the parts of Haryana.
Moreover I don't remember the instance when Hawa Singh Sangwan ji went to UP and mustered support for Jat reservation.

Just like Tamil Nadu,West Bengal,Kerala and NE States,BJP is weak in Haryana and Punjab too. It was,it is and it will always be a regional party in Haryana if it will follow non-Jat policies in Haryana.

Despite knowing its poor condition in Haryana it had alliance with anti-Jat party HJC,it gave tickets to Ex-congressi in Sonepat,Gurgaon,Bhiwani and Sirsa.
With such poor ticket distribution,I doubt it will able to win more than 3-4 seats in Haryana.

Prakash Singh Badal stressed the alliance with INLD but BJP remained adamant ... With non-Jat policies and weak candidates,don't expect NAMO magic.

Modi had no right to insult INLD in Gohana rally.
 
avinashb said:
Appeal by Hawa Singh Sangwan ji is meant for Jats of Haryana only .. Jats of UP can vote by their wish.

If BJP is anti-muslim in UP then it is anti-Jat in Haryana.

If Jats of Haryana don't give vote to Congress they would definitely give to INLD.
Again INLD has given ticket to a Muslim in Gurgaon and Jats have considerable votes in Gurgaon(around 1.5 lakh) .. If they would give vote to INLD,there vote will ultimately go to Muslim only.

This is somewhat irony ... I think so.
Different states different situations ..
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There is difference between appeal and threat to declare 'gaddar.'
 
DrRajpalSingh said:
There is difference between appeal and threat to declare 'gaddar.'
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Sir,This may be your perception ..
Whether you call it an appeal,a threat,a request,an order or a just statement ..
Jats are going to vote on their own wish ..
It was his duty,he did it..
While struggle for Jat reservation,he had same view .. He has not changed .. He already said that Jats will vote to the party/parties which will give them reservation.

The movement for Jat reservation was led by 3 groups:Hawa Singh Sangwan,Yashpal Malik and Khap panchayat.
Hawa Singh Sangwan:Give vote to party that gives you reservation
Yashpal Malik:Don't give vote to that party which oppose/don't give reservation.
Khap Panchayat:Divided....Some are fecilitating Hooda,some are opposing Congress and some are quiet ..
 
avinashb said:
Sir,This may be your perception ..
Whether you call it an appeal,a threat,a request,an order or a just statement ..
Jats are going to vote on their own wish ..
It was his duty,he did it..
While struggle for Jat reservation,he had same view .. He has not changed .. He already said that Jats will vote to the party/parties which will give them reservation.

The movement for Jat reservation was led by 3 groups:Hawa Singh Sangwan,Yashpal Malik and Khap panchayat.
Hawa Singh Sangwan:Give vote to party that gives you reservation
Yashpal Malik:Don't give vote to that party which oppose/don't give reservation.
Khap Panchayat:Divided....Some are fecilitating Hooda,some are opposing Congress and some are quiet ..
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I support both Reservation for the Jats and Freedom of Vote and do not bother who is going to vote whom !
 
Samar sir these type jaat leader think only about their personal benefits in the forms of a leader of a revolution of jaat community.
 
manjeet137 said:
Samar sir these type jaat leader think only about their personal benefits in the forms of a leader of a revolution of jaat community.
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What do you mean by personal benefits ???
In Rajasthan,Col. Kirori mal Bainsla led the Gujjar reservation agitation in Rajasthan and more than 70 Gujjars died during agitation and even after that today also they are devoid of reservation ... Just 1% reservation as it was challenged in Rajasthan High Court.
After that Col. Kirori mal Bainsla contested on BJP ticket and lost ... This is known as personal benefit ..

In Haryana,we got reservation not due to mere agitation and blocking Hisar-Bhiwani rail track at Maiyyar ..
It was meticulous planning of Hawa Singh Sangwan .. He was always in favour that proper procedure must be followed for granting reservation to Jats and Jats must be given reservation on the basis of proper survey and recommendation by a Commission .

If Government of Haryana would have given reservation just on the basis of agitation,then it would have been challenged straight away in High Court just like Gujjar reservation in Rajasthan.
After proper survey and on the basis of KC Gupta Commission,Jats have been granted SBC quota in Haryana .. SBC quota in Haryana has formed a basis for reservation at Central level .. We very well know how NCBC has rejected plea of Jats ..

Hawa Singh Sangwan deseves credit for his demand for granting reservation to Jats through proper channel .
 
Vested Interests at Work

Vested interests at work here.....How can a community enjoy OBC status in 9 states and not be an OBC community at the Centre level? A vast majority of jats are landless labourers who have no means to education, no holdings and survive as daily labourers, living hand to mouth...Jats, who appear to be affluent landlords are a miniscule percentage and do not represent the entire community. However, at the same time I think the Supreme Court is going to null this notification by the government as our community just does not think about its own welfare. No one is going to defend the case - a lawyer (who'll definitely not be a Jat) will represent the Central Govt. in the SC. He'll defend it at his 'humblest/meekest' best...and you know what to expect...!!!
 
asejwal said:
Vested interests at work here.....How can a community enjoy OBC status in 9 states and not be an OBC community at the Centre level? A vast majority of jats are landless labourers who have no means to education, no holdings and survive as daily labourers, living hand to mouth...Jats, who appear to be affluent landlords are a miniscule percentage and do not represent the entire community. However, at the same time I think the Supreme Court is going to null this notification by the government as our community just does not think about its own welfare. No one is going to defend the case - a lawyer (who'll definitely not be a Jat) will represent the Central Govt. in the SC. He'll defend it at his 'humblest/meekest' best...and you know what to expect...!!!
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You might think wrong here.
 
vairesatendra said:
As expected, Supreme court has issued notice to Centre on Jat reservation. The court has asked the government to present all relevant records in court on April 9.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...reservation-for-jats/articleshow/33074138.cms
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The full text of the news item is produced for the benefit of the readers to read and comment :

NEW DELHI: The Supreme Court on Tuesday issued notice to Centre on petitions challenging March 3 decision of UPA government to include jats in OBC list for reservation benefits.

The apex court asked the Centre to bring all relevant records to show there was proper consideration of National Commission for Backward Classes report to reject its recommendation against inclusion of jats as OBC.

The NCBC had objected to inclusion of jats among OBCs saying they are a forward community mostly of zamindars.

The court said it will consider the petitioners' plea for stay on inclusion of jats in OBC after examining from records the Centre's application of mind on the issue.

The petitioners have alleged that a desperate UPA government took this decision only to create vote bank.

The court has asked the government to present all relevant records in court on April 9.
 
On the current issue of Jat Reservation, The Times of India

has written many news stories for which one can log and read :


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Reservation-for-Jats

In view of this latest development, the community leaders have to devote more time to save the well deserved Reservation at Haryana level [Punjab and Haryana High Court has also issued notice against grant of reservation to the community in Haryana] and at the Central Level too.
 
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Inclusion of Jats in OBC list comes under SC scanner

Congress khud apne Jhoot aur fareb ke Jaal mein Fas Gayee :), Hooda Ajit will lose badly , Ajit coming on number 3rd or 4th in Baghpat :)
 
piush_tomar said:
Congress khud apne Jhoot aur fareb ke Jaal mein Fas Gayee :), Hooda Ajit will lose badly , Ajit coming on number 3rd or 4th in Baghpat :)
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Hearing in Supreme Court is on 9th April and Lok Sabha election in Haryana on 10th April ... After 5 months,Vidhan Sabha Election in Haryana ..

All the members of NCBC were chatukars of Kumari Shelja .. They deliberately gave wrong report to Union Government ..
Let non-Jats cry ... It is responsibility of Union Government to defend the case ..

There is no surity that BJP or any other party will grant OBC quota to Jats ..
If Congress is unable to defend the reservation,it will pay price.
 
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