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Punjabi (Jul 08, 2004 04:17 p.m.):
Haryana state is not 50% of the undivided Punjab.
Leaving aside Pakistani Punjab, the East Punjab is states of Punjab, Haryana, Himachal Pradesh and Union territories of Chandigarh and Delhi.
To resolve all outstanding issues this entire East Punjab (but probably minus Delhi) should be merged together into one unit called Punjab.
Punjab, Haryana and Himachal are small useless states as they exist now. Look at other areas of India and see how large and intact the states are then look in north-west corner and see three small useless states.
Time to reunite East Punjab and put an end to all petty issues.
My opinion,
Regards,
First and formost you should have used your real name as your ID and not the word punjabi. Second point you tell me, what made you say that haryana and himachal are useless states? by your logic most countries of Europe are useless and by same logic pakistan India and bangladesh and even possibly Nepal should unite to solve all these problems. Partly I agree with you that when divisions solve some problems, they raise many other problems as well. Water sharing is becoming a universal problem and trust me even by merging states this problem won't be solved. I know how jats or farmers whatever one wish to call, fight over canal water and many times murders take place. When we can not solve the problem at village level, I am some what doubtful about its getting solved at state or international level. Strong forces at all levels can only solve it or rather quench it. There is no settlement which which will keep all the parties totally happy. One or the other side will always call it a sell out. Best solution to me is that water distribution is taken over by central government as soon as possible as water is a natural resource like minerals and all mines are operated under central laws. Unfortunately our forfathers never realised that water will become a hot issue like what it is today. Today no state, no country and for that anyone can live in isolation. Punjab can not progress in isolation.
Rajendra
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abhishek
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Ravi Chaudhary (Jul 08, 2004 05:42 p.m.):
http://www.jattworld.com/exoops/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=588&forum=1
The misconceptions are plenty. How do you clear them up?
Ravi Chaudhary
We *may* have shared history, but that takes us back by say 1000 odd years add to it their *misconceptions* about us ,do we really think if they are also allowed to post here we will have same quality of discussions? We have had glimpse of what can happen , threads like this will only lead to flame wars and nothing else. This I think would defeat the very purpose of this website. In any case they can see the content of discussion , let them be happy copying and pasting it , who cares?
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abhishek
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http://www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20040713/main1.htm
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20040713/main2.htm
may be next step is declaring punjab a sovereign state...déjà vu!
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20040713/main2.htm
may be next step is declaring punjab a sovereign state...déjà vu!
Abhishek Dhama (Jul 13, 2004 06:58 a.m.):
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20040713/main1.htm
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20040713/main2.htm
may be next step is declaring punjab a sovereign state...déjà vu!
This is most unfortunate. They are just forcing others now to retaliate..
Rajendra
sumit_ohlyan
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Dear friends,
In the DROUGHT like situation let us all come together and not politicise this issue for now, as millions of farmers of all the states in SYL r everly affected.
One should not forget that Haryana, Himachal, Chandigarh and the present Punjab r all carved out of the same Punjab provience. the water of river is not the sole property of Punjab, all have the right to share water as it is gift of nature.
Can u imagine what would happen if Himachal also act's the same way and deprive punjab in the same way as punjab is doing with haryana?
So think of Humanity rather than self interest.
"jai kisan"
SUMIT OHLYAN.
In the DROUGHT like situation let us all come together and not politicise this issue for now, as millions of farmers of all the states in SYL r everly affected.
One should not forget that Haryana, Himachal, Chandigarh and the present Punjab r all carved out of the same Punjab provience. the water of river is not the sole property of Punjab, all have the right to share water as it is gift of nature.
Can u imagine what would happen if Himachal also act's the same way and deprive punjab in the same way as punjab is doing with haryana?
So think of Humanity rather than self interest.
"jai kisan"
SUMIT OHLYAN.
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vikramlal
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Ramandeep (Jul 08, 2004 06:48 p.m.):
Why call it "Punjab"? When most of the people in this hypothetical bloc wont even speak Punjabi?Punjabi (Jul 08, 2004 04:17 p.m.):
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Leaving aside Pakistani Punjab, the East Punjab is states of Punjab, Haryana, Himachal Pradesh and Union territories of Chandigarh and Delhi.
To resolve all outstanding issues this entire East Punjab (but probably minus Delhi) should be merged together into one unit called Punjab.
Why not a Jat-stan?
Yet again we see Singh-Sabha imperialist views in action.
Hey punjabi have you forgotten recent history.
Before 1966 there WAS only one province of
Punjab. In the given year it was split into 3
states Punjab, Haryana and Himichal. some
other participant had a better idea. Have the
western districts of UP where much of our
communtiy is, merge with haryana into one
big Hindu jat state. Maybe we should
incorporate Bharatpur which is the only historic
Jat state
V
vickydahiya
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Mr Ajay singh,
If any of us think ourself as punjabi or jat or any thing else before a bharatiya, he or she should leave this nation on the ground of morality. "Jis Thali main khana usi main ched kerna ayse hi logo ke liye hota hai". Izzatdar bhasha main aise logo ko "Gaddar" bhi bolte hain vasi hrammi bolna chaiye. Aaj is desh ka durbhagye hi ye hai ki is main rahne vale total logo main se 50% log to is se jyada pakistan ko chate hain aur baki bache 45% apna dhram ya cast dhoondte rha jate hain." Na samje to mit jaooge e hindusta valoon, thumhari dasta bhi na hogi dastano main." Thumare pakistan ke punjabi bhai jo yanha se jane vale thumhare baki baiyuoon ko aaj bhi "Mujahir" bolete hain vo thumhare kaise close ho gye mr ajay singh. Darshal yanha sab logo ko izzat ki jindgi mili hai magar kuch logo ki aadat hoti hai thokker khane ki vo mante to hain nahi. Jab tum aur tumhari jaise gandi mansikta ke loog unki dhoker kha lenge tab samaj main aa jayega. Lakin ek baat main aap sab logo ko bta doon ki is desh ke sureksha ke liye vo 5% log hi bhaut hain jo ise apni maa mante hain. Yanha kitne bhi saanp-sapole ho jaye hum iseka baal bhi banka nahi hone denge. Rahi baat Indra ke terrorist hone ki......Terrorist vo the jinhone Golden Temple ke under gola barud aur bandook rakhi. Indra ne to sirf us temple ko us ki purani saakh lota di. Aur agar indra terrorist thi thi hum log bhi hain kyoun ki kisi bhi sapole ko mandir,musjid ya guradwaroon ki aad main is desh se nahi khelne diya jayega.
Humare liye sab se bda bhgwan, allaha, waheguru ye desh hai aur jo is ki paviterta ko khatam kerne ki kosish kerega us ke paap us ke khoon se hi dho diye jayenge chaye vo khoon mandir main bhe ya gurudware main ya phir masjid main...........
If any of us think ourself as punjabi or jat or any thing else before a bharatiya, he or she should leave this nation on the ground of morality. "Jis Thali main khana usi main ched kerna ayse hi logo ke liye hota hai". Izzatdar bhasha main aise logo ko "Gaddar" bhi bolte hain vasi hrammi bolna chaiye. Aaj is desh ka durbhagye hi ye hai ki is main rahne vale total logo main se 50% log to is se jyada pakistan ko chate hain aur baki bache 45% apna dhram ya cast dhoondte rha jate hain." Na samje to mit jaooge e hindusta valoon, thumhari dasta bhi na hogi dastano main." Thumare pakistan ke punjabi bhai jo yanha se jane vale thumhare baki baiyuoon ko aaj bhi "Mujahir" bolete hain vo thumhare kaise close ho gye mr ajay singh. Darshal yanha sab logo ko izzat ki jindgi mili hai magar kuch logo ki aadat hoti hai thokker khane ki vo mante to hain nahi. Jab tum aur tumhari jaise gandi mansikta ke loog unki dhoker kha lenge tab samaj main aa jayega. Lakin ek baat main aap sab logo ko bta doon ki is desh ke sureksha ke liye vo 5% log hi bhaut hain jo ise apni maa mante hain. Yanha kitne bhi saanp-sapole ho jaye hum iseka baal bhi banka nahi hone denge. Rahi baat Indra ke terrorist hone ki......Terrorist vo the jinhone Golden Temple ke under gola barud aur bandook rakhi. Indra ne to sirf us temple ko us ki purani saakh lota di. Aur agar indra terrorist thi thi hum log bhi hain kyoun ki kisi bhi sapole ko mandir,musjid ya guradwaroon ki aad main is desh se nahi khelne diya jayega.
Humare liye sab se bda bhgwan, allaha, waheguru ye desh hai aur jo is ki paviterta ko khatam kerne ki kosish kerega us ke paap us ke khoon se hi dho diye jayenge chaye vo khoon mandir main bhe ya gurudware main ya phir masjid main...........
Ajay Singh Chohan (Jul 05, 2004 10:16 p.m.):
the khalistani sentiment is a natural reaction of punjabis to the attack on golden temple by a terrorist lady called indira, and also the massacres of punjabi sikhs in delhi by a bastard named rajiv gandhi. this might hurt your feelings, but in punjab, no one hates pakistani punjabis, as punjabi is a race, and paki punjabis are our brothers, only thing that divides the two punjabis is our religion. but we still share the same language, culture, food and traditions. so to be honest, punjabi sikhs have more similarities with the paki punjabis, then we have with the rest of india.
peace!
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vickydahiya
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Jab ye desh hi aap logo ke rahne ke liye kum hain to jat state ka kye keroge. jameen pe kuch lakeer keench dene se milne vali khushi ka hi to result hai jo kashmir bughat rha hai.ghar se nikalte wqat koi nahi janta ki vo vapas ayega ya nahi. India pakistan ka sepration hi to hai ki hum dono ko U.S, U.K etc ke aage haath falana pedta hai verna total resource jitne is dharti ko mile hain nature ne kanhi nahi dite hain. Magar aap logo ki seema aur dayere itne chote hain ki vo sab kuch chood denge magar dharam aur koom ke liye ladna nahi.
vikram lal (Jul 16, 2004 09:02 p.m.):
Ramandeep (Jul 08, 2004 06:48 p.m.):
Why call it "Punjab"? When most of the people in this hypothetical bloc wont even speak Punjabi?Punjabi (Jul 08, 2004 04:17 p.m.):
.
Leaving aside Pakistani Punjab, the East Punjab is states of Punjab, Haryana, Himachal Pradesh and Union territories of Chandigarh and Delhi.
To resolve all outstanding issues this entire East Punjab (but probably minus Delhi) should be merged together into one unit called Punjab.
Why not a Jat-stan?
Yet again we see Singh-Sabha imperialist views in action.
Hey punjabi have you forgotten recent history.
Before 1966 there WAS only one province of
Punjab. In the given year it was split into 3
states Punjab, Haryana and Himichal. some
other participant had a better idea. Have the
western districts of UP where much of our
communtiy is, merge with haryana into one
big Hindu jat state. Maybe we should
incorporate Bharatpur which is the only historic
Jat state
C
chhoraharyanada
Guest
[/quote]Vikas Dahiya (Jul 17, 2004 05:47 a.m.):
Indra ne to sirf us temple ko us ki purani saakh lota di. Aur agar indra terrorist thi thi hum log bhi hain kyoun ki kisi bhi sapole ko mandir,musjid ya guradwaroon ki aad main is desh se nahi khelne diya jayega.
nahi yeh mujhe galath baath lag rahi hai. indra ko bhi itna defend nahi karna chahiye. voh ek bauth ganda khel kisi ek kaum ke saath khel rahi thi. athankvadiyo ko tab rokhna chahiye tha jab punjab ki halath burri hone lagi. 82 yaa 83 mein. lekin voh votes ke chakar mein parh gayee aur anth mein bluestar ho gaya tha. uske baad jo hua hum sab jaante hain.
main gandhi naam pe thookta hu.
congress murdabad!
ravichaudhary
New member
Vikas Dahiya (Jul 17, 2004 05:47 a.m.):
Mr Ajay singh,
If any of us think ourself as punjabi or jat or any thing else before a bharatiya, he or she should leave this nation on the ground of morality. "Jis Thali main khana usi main ched kerna ayse hi logo ke liye hota hai". Izzatdar bhasha main aise logo ko "Gaddar" bhi bolte hain vasi hrammi bolna chaiye. Aaj is desh ka durbhagye hi ye hai ki is
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Mr Dahiya
Mr Singh has been banned from this site, and cannot respond.
I doubt if he can understand your hindi either
Why are moderators allowing this thread when a person cannot reply ?.
What exactly is the point of a forum if we cannot have communication with others.
Ravi
ravichaudhary
New member
For those who wish to discuss these issues with Mr Chohan etc
Visit
http://www.jattworld.com/exoops/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=598&post_id=9887&order=0&viewmode=flat&pid=9883&forum=1#9887
I repeat we need to communicate with each other
Try not to get put off by the silly rhetoric that wil be encountered.
The people are quite decent Jatts, just a little steeped in certain perspectives, which are not quite based on ground realities.
Unfortunately, these sincere people get misled and taken advantage of, by politicians and demagogues
Right now many think the Indians and Haryana Jats are againt them
Please be gentle and understanding in your postings.
Ravi
Visit
http://www.jattworld.com/exoops/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=598&post_id=9887&order=0&viewmode=flat&pid=9883&forum=1#9887
I repeat we need to communicate with each other
Try not to get put off by the silly rhetoric that wil be encountered.
The people are quite decent Jatts, just a little steeped in certain perspectives, which are not quite based on ground realities.
Unfortunately, these sincere people get misled and taken advantage of, by politicians and demagogues
Right now many think the Indians and Haryana Jats are againt them
Please be gentle and understanding in your postings.
Ravi
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abhishek
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http://us.rediff.com/news/2004/jul/17river.htm
ravichaudhary
New member
A solution:
http://www.dvcindia.org/about/
DVC, a legacy to the people of India, emerged as a culmination of attempts made over a whole century to control the wild and erratic Damodar river. The river spans over an area of 25,000 sq. kms covering the states of Bihar (now Jharkhand) & West Bengal.
The Damodar Valley has been ravaged frequently by floods of varying intensities and the first of the major recorded flood dates back to 1730. Thereafter serious floods occurred at regular intervals, but it was the flood of 1943 that left the worst devastation in its wake. As a result, the Governor of Bengal appointed a Board of Inquiry headed by the Maharaja of Burdwan and the noted physicist Dr. Meghnad Saha as member. In their report, the Board suggested creation of an authority similar to the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA) of United States of America. The Government of India then appointed Mr. W.L. Voorduin, a senior engineer of the TVA to make recommendations for comprehensive development of the valley. Accordingly, in August, 1944, Mr. Voorduin submitted his "Preliminary Memorandum on the Unified Development of the Damodar River".
Mr. Voorduin’s "Preliminary Memorandum" suggested a multipurpose development plan designed for achieving flood control, irrigation, power generation and navigation in the Damodar Valley. Four consultants appointed by the Government of India examined it. They also approved the main technical features of Voorduin’s scheme and recommended early initiation of construction beginning with Tilaiya to be followed by Maithon.
By April 1947, full agreement was practically reached between the three Governments of Central, Bengal and Bihar on the implementation of the scheme and in March 1948, the Damodar Valley Corporation Act (XIV of 1948) was passed by the Central Legislature, requiring the three governments – the Central Government and the State Governments of West Bengal and Bihar (now Jharkhand) to participate jointly for the purpose of building the Damodar Valley Corporation.
The Corporation came into existence on the 7th July, 1948 as the first multipurpose river valley project of independent India.
http://www.dvcindia.org/about/
DVC, a legacy to the people of India, emerged as a culmination of attempts made over a whole century to control the wild and erratic Damodar river. The river spans over an area of 25,000 sq. kms covering the states of Bihar (now Jharkhand) & West Bengal.
The Damodar Valley has been ravaged frequently by floods of varying intensities and the first of the major recorded flood dates back to 1730. Thereafter serious floods occurred at regular intervals, but it was the flood of 1943 that left the worst devastation in its wake. As a result, the Governor of Bengal appointed a Board of Inquiry headed by the Maharaja of Burdwan and the noted physicist Dr. Meghnad Saha as member. In their report, the Board suggested creation of an authority similar to the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA) of United States of America. The Government of India then appointed Mr. W.L. Voorduin, a senior engineer of the TVA to make recommendations for comprehensive development of the valley. Accordingly, in August, 1944, Mr. Voorduin submitted his "Preliminary Memorandum on the Unified Development of the Damodar River".
Mr. Voorduin’s "Preliminary Memorandum" suggested a multipurpose development plan designed for achieving flood control, irrigation, power generation and navigation in the Damodar Valley. Four consultants appointed by the Government of India examined it. They also approved the main technical features of Voorduin’s scheme and recommended early initiation of construction beginning with Tilaiya to be followed by Maithon.
By April 1947, full agreement was practically reached between the three Governments of Central, Bengal and Bihar on the implementation of the scheme and in March 1948, the Damodar Valley Corporation Act (XIV of 1948) was passed by the Central Legislature, requiring the three governments – the Central Government and the State Governments of West Bengal and Bihar (now Jharkhand) to participate jointly for the purpose of building the Damodar Valley Corporation.
The Corporation came into existence on the 7th July, 1948 as the first multipurpose river valley project of independent India.
sunil_solanki
New member
Water should be divided equally.
ravichaudhary
New member
why should it be divided equally?
ravi
ravi
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abhishek
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Ravi Chaudhary (Jul 18, 2004 08:25 a.m.):
why should it be divided equally?
ravi
Indeed Punjab is upper riparian state, but then these rivers don't originate in Punjab. And regarding division , we are talking about dividing it proportionately not equally. If there is so much dearth of water then why Punjab has no problem with honoring commitments with Pakistan? Why has Amarinder Singh singled out Haryana and Rajasthan for this royal treatment?
Water is a national resource ,not a political instrument for appeasement of a particular community or sect.
virajmalik4973
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reading throught the post I could see two important points...
distribution of water among states: I think there should be corporation formed on the national level to manage and market water resources to states and other customers like industries, these corporations shld be managed by professionals and these corporations should also be responsible for managing pollution levels in these rivers..
giving access to non hindu jats...
This topic keeps coming again and again, I agree with Ravi's view to allow access to all the types of Jats or people interested in knowing about us...this will also make jatland a more broadbased site.
distribution of water among states: I think there should be corporation formed on the national level to manage and market water resources to states and other customers like industries, these corporations shld be managed by professionals and these corporations should also be responsible for managing pollution levels in these rivers..
giving access to non hindu jats...
This topic keeps coming again and again, I agree with Ravi's view to allow access to all the types of Jats or people interested in knowing about us...this will also make jatland a more broadbased site.
See this article..Amrinder is warning against terrorism if there was a plan to share water with Haryana and Punjab.
http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/articleshow?msid=792804
For me, these are provoking remarks by a CM. Basically, I think he is suggesting wrong ways to the people of Punjab to fight against sharing.
http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/articleshow?msid=792804
For me, these are provoking remarks by a CM. Basically, I think he is suggesting wrong ways to the people of Punjab to fight against sharing.
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