Taboo Topic: Same sex relationships in Jats.

ritu said:
yes shibani,you are doing a gud job as a mother and so i am.I am very proud and happy as a mother.and please do not bring the things i have told in reply to someone else posts. I had to mention only after i was told the definition of offspring .I m on this forum for almost 6 yrs and ppl know how many times i have boasted about my qualification.i do not remember mentioning it even once.coming to anjoos thoughts and views she respects me a lot like a elder sister.i m happy with my perspective and totally respect your disagreement .I will do what we think is best for our child . QUOTE=Shibani;257510]“I m sure 99% of jatnis think the same way.”
The reason for me to come forward and respond to your call out to so call Jatnis is because I can relate to you at a few platforms:
First is just like yourself I am a mother.
Secondly academically I have completed a post grad degree (although it doesn't matter)
Third just like you I am living overseas.
I responded to your first response in the tread as well.
My prespective tough in regards to GLBT is different to yours. I will not be very concerned with his choice of partner till the time its a human being but I will be very concerned if he fails to treat his partner respectfully. I will not accept at any cost a son that is disrespecting of any human or living kind. If I achieve that I will be the happiest mother.
I am not going to burden him with anymore expectation. :)
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i have great sympathy for ur parenting if u actually follow the lines that you have written. u mean to say that it doesnt matter if ur son have relation with a male or female,it should only be human. then i will say its a disrespect to other species. why cant he have relation outside humans. if u are very broad minded than let it be even broader.

i dont think its shows any better of u than other people by saying that u are not concerned about ur son's partner choice. it reflect ur poor understanding of human values and a thumb down for ur guidance as a parent.

by supporting homosexuality people want to show that they stand for good cause and they r modern in thinking than people who are against this. many people express support for homosexuality just to show themselves different from others and gain publicity. but in reality they are very narrow minded and with crooked mentality who just think of today and fail to understand the cause and effect.
 
VirJ said:
Tau Ji (with all Due Respect), you asked Urmila Ji “Urmila Ji, if it is not a body part then what it is after all?”

I interpreted it as your quest of knowing what is it which they worship a body part or something else. Tau Ji it represent Eternal World, “Light”, “Origin of Life”.

Its meaning is much deeper and Shiv Puran can guide you if you are really interested. I myself is not an expert on this. It is same as if someone wants to understand the meaning of ‘cross’ they should refer to Bible to understand what this symbol mean and for someone wanted to understand why Muslim wear loose clothes and Burka, Kuran can provide the answer.

Now Whether Shiv Puran is true or not or for that matter whether Shiv existed or not is all together a different question. But to understand why Shiv Lingam is worshipped and what does it symbolize we need to understand more about Shiv Shankar.

The thread is not meant to discuss this but can happily discuss with you or anyone else in the relevant thread.
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गुरु जी धन्यवाद I आपनै तो कुल्हड़ी मै जोहड़ भर दिया I First of all Sir, let me say that I have immense regard for all faiths, especially truly religious and faithful people like you.
मेरा अनुमान है कि क्रॉस, बुर्का और ढीले कपड़े पहनने के पीछे निम्नलिखित कारण रहे होंगे :

क्रॉस: जिंदगी के चौराहे पर खड़े आदमी को इंगित करके कहता है कि चारों रास्ते खुले हैं बन्दे ..जहाँ मर्जी जा और ऐश कर, जैसा जी में आये ओढ़ पहर, खा पी और मौज ले I

बुर्का : दुनिया के गर्म देशों से शुरुआत हुई I मकसद त्वचा और हुश्न की हिफाज़त रहा होगा क्योंकि महिलाओं की त्वचा को कुदरत ने काफी नाज़ुक बनाया है I कड़कती धूप से बचने के लिए उन दिनों anti-burn या sun cream नहीं होती थी I बाद में यह रिवाज़ बन गया होगा I

ढीले कपड़े : गर्मी के मौसम में आरामदायक होते हैं I उस ज़माने में AC और Cooler नहीं होते थे और हवा की आवाजाही के लिए ढीला लिबास अनुकूल रहा होगा I

Disclaimer : यह सिर्फ मेरा एक अंदाज़ा है और मेरे पास इसे साबित करने के लिए कोई कागज़ी सबूत और लिंक नहीं है I
सर, इसका जवाब नहीं देना, हम खामखां मैं ऑफ टॉपिक हो जायेंगे
 
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singhvp said:
गुरु जी धन्यवाद I आपनै तो कुल्हड़ी मै जोहड़ भर दिया I First of all Sir, let me say that I have immense regard for all faiths, especially truly religious and faithful people like you.
मेरा अनुमान है कि क्रॉस, बुर्का और ढीले कपड़े पहनने के पीछे निम्नलिखित कारण रहे होंगे :


Disclaimer : यह सिर्फ मेरा एक अंदाज़ा है और मेरे पास इसे साबित करने के लिए कोई कागज़ी सबूत और लिंक नहीं है I
सर, इसका जवाब नहीं देना, हम खामखां मैं ऑफ टॉपिक हो जायेंगे
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ताऊ ऑफ टॉपिक तो जिब तामने शिवलिंग का जीकर करा था ज़िद ए हो गे थे. बाकी जवाब देन आला ईसा कीमे बुझा भी कोनी आपने. आपने के बेरा में कितना धार्मिक और निष्ठावान हूँ फेर भी इज़्ज़त बक्शी के लिए शुक्रिया.
 
डाक्टर साब,
क्युँ खामखाँ हनुमान जी के बंदरां नै बदनाम करो सो .Rhesus macaque is the species monkeys mostly found in India subcontinent. Their name Rhesus (Rh) is associated with blood groups; Rh- negative or Rh –positive. They are not the natural host of Simian immunodeficiency virus (SIV) as they develop AIDS like symptoms when infected with SIV.


Human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) most likely have originated from African primates, which are natural hosts of Simian immunodeficiency virus (SIV) similar virus as HIV

drkarminder said:
I know well that HIV came through rhesus monkey. I didn't discuss it as I am not talking about other species. First case reported in human was among homosexuals. Now HIV was well surviving in monkey species but who inocuated it in human species. It was homosexuality or better unnatural sex. The concern is the culprit in human not monkey.



Men who have sex with men (MSM) represent 2% of the U.S. population but more than 60% of new infections *and half of all Americans living with HIV. Rates of new HIV diagnoses among MSM in the United States are more than 44 times that of other men. Especially at risk are young MSM (ages 13-24 years), the only risk group where new infections are increasing, with a 22% increase in recent years. Young Black MSM are most affected accounting for 55% of new infections among YMSM overall.
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U think African primates were alive when first confirmed case of HIV was found in 1980's. U are tracing back the origin of HIV. I am talking of the infection when it was transmitted to human. U are tracing HIV in monkey species not when it was found in human

Rhesus monkey is found now who harbors HIV. Yes rh antigen is based on rhesus. I hope I am clear to u. SAIDS virus in monkey is HIV in human.
 
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They are very much alive even today. Chimpanzees, gorillas, baboons, etc.

drkarminder said:
U think African primates were alive when first confirmed case of HIV was found in 1980's. U are tracing back the origin of HIV. I am talking of the infection when it was transmitted to human. U are tracing HIV in monkey species not when it was found in human

Rhesus monkey is found now who harbors HIV. Yes rh antigen is based on rhesus. I hope I am clear to u.

SIVsmm in sooty mangabeys and SIVcpz in chimpanzees, are believed to have crossed the species barrier into humans, resulting in HIV-2 and HIV-1, respectively. However, if this virus infects an Asian or Indian rhesus macaque, the animal will develop simian AIDS (SAIDS).

The later stages of SIV infection turn into SAIDS, much as HIV infection turns into AIDS.
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Jats should think about the near future.

If every other culture civilisation is baby booming and expanding outside neighbouring Jat Territories the question of land resources will arise in future which could lead to problems with neighbours especially if they make inrds.

The political Brahmin Bhania mafia in power sizes up bigger votebanks. Homosexuality in small doses will not affect any1. But if it is promoted by the Political bahman bollywood media it will create acceptance and push down birth rates. In the West the natives now have the slowest birth rates as a result of putting sexual enjoyment above raising a family. The situation starts slow and gathers pace with media.

We should also take Geo political issues around us into context. West will pull out of afghanistan.

The Taliban will re emerge again on both sides of the durrand line ( afpak border belt) as talibanisation is recognised by Senior American experts as " pashtun political grievances"..

the nutjobs will not plan to stop at Kashmir where UP sits next door with a high populaation of you knoww what. we are not racist, but remain alert. No Ghandi nehru dynasty, no bahman bjp is going to help Jats. be very careful of this relationship that has not helped any martial Tribe of North Asia other than silver its own kursi. You have only yourselves. If the fabric loosens its bad news.

If today you say we are over populated and need to reduce numbers anyway while your hostile neighbour increases. Whos going to be responsible when history repeats?

The population mantra needs to be taken by the Gov to those who breed faster first. In case it does not think 2 3 generations aheead what jats could face.
 
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drkarminder said:
I know well that HIV came through rhesus monkey. I didn't discuss it as I am not talking about other species. First case reported in human was among homosexuals. Now HIV was well surviving in monkey species but who inocuated it in human species. It was homosexuality or better unnatural sex. The concern is the culprit in human not monkey.



Men who have sex with men (MSM) represent 2% of the U.S. population but more than 60% of new infections *and half of all Americans living with HIV. Rates of new HIV diagnoses among MSM in the United States are more than 44 times that of other men. Especially at risk are young MSM (ages 13-24 years), the only risk group where new infections are increasing, with a 22% increase in recent years. Young Black MSM are most affected accounting for 55% of new infections among YMSM overall.
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Interesting to know gay men constitute a large % of HIV Americans. Do you have a source for that?
 
If true, it may not mean that at other places in the world there are lesser numbers. Perhaps at other places they are less likely to come out in the open for fear of persecution etc.

swaich said:
Interesting to know gay men constitute a large % of HIV Americans. Do you have a source for that?
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deshi-jat said:
They are very much alive even today. Chimpanzees, gorillas, baboons, etc.
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Ha ha..and what r the chances that they have direct contact with human.
And what are the chances that monkeys can have direct contact with human. Do gorillas,chimpanzees roam like monkeys roam in streets.

As I said before I am talking about the transfer of HIV to human not about origin of HIV.
Let me give u an example- like rabies virus might be originated in apes or chimpanzee but now dogs are transmitting it to human. Now u can't say that rabies in man came from apes , it came through dogs. U always talk of the immediate source but yes u trace the origin.

Now even monkeys have gone ,now the source of infection is human. Now human harbors the HIV and steps r taken to prevent HIV infection from human to human. That's why I directly told that in human it was spread by homosexuality and I didn't talk about gorillas and apes because now our concern is to limit its spread from human to human not from apes to human.
I hope I am clear now.
 
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First I wd like to ask how much time u browsed cdc website. Which section u visited and how much time u took to explore HIV section and under this subsection gay and bisexual men's health.

Please go through gay and biesexuals men's helth report and read it carefully I insist.
If u are not satisfied after that leave me a mail I will send the pdf doc.

Ad I wd be very happy if u please before putting any furher question read it thoroughly.
 
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drkarminder said:
First I wd like to ask how much time u browsed cdc website. Which section u visited and how much time u took to explore HIV section and under this subsection gay and bisexual men's health.

Please go through gay and biesexuals men's helth report and read it carefully I insist.
If u are not satisfied after that leave me a mail I will send the pdf doc.

Ad I wd be very happy if u please before putting any furher question read it thoroughly.
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Found it. Thanks. http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/msm/facts/index.html

What you mentioned was correct. Gay men do account for a large number of known HIV positive cases in the US. Apparently, anal sex has the highest risk of passing infections.
 
Is it just me or others too who find references to sex must not be mentioned as such ( as in this particular post) on this website? To me it seems more like a family type website where adolescent kids from our community may also be coming.
May I kindly request moderators to look into the matter. Thanks! :)


swaich said:
Found it. Thanks. http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/msm/facts/index.html

What you mentioned was correct. Gay men do account for a large number of known HIV positive cases in the US. Apparently, anal sex has the highest risk of passing infections.
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Jaspreet bhai when we talk of homosexuality,its a well understood term for most of readers. I request you to edit your post to make it more reader friendly.
 
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