The making of new IITs

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http://in.rediff.com/money/2005/mar/23iit.htm


Making on new IITs, will it dilute the brand of IIT, wont it be better to setup more NITs or create a new brand (Technical Institute of India? National University, India? ...) out of these colleges. I havent even heard of atleast 3 out of this list. Lets wait to hear comments from non-iitians on this.

Abhishek




The Indian Institutes of Technology are in the news again. Earlier this month, newspaper reports revealed the names of seven short-listed colleges to be converted into IITs, as per the S K Joshi Committee report.

The shortlisted institutions are the Institute of Technology BHU Varanasi; University College of Engineering combined with University College of Technology, both belonging to the Osmania University; Bengal Engineering College Howrah; Jadavpur University's engineering and technology departments; Zakir Hussain College of Engineering and Technology, AMU Aligarh; Andhra University College of Engineering; and Cochin University of Science and Technology.

However, the government is considering the report of the Joshi Committee to constitute an expert group to assess the suitability of transforming seven institutions to the level of IITs, as these institutions 'fall far below the level of the existing IITs in all criteria used for shortlisting.'

But suddenly everyone is asking questions:

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When will the new IITs materialise?
* Which colleges will be the lucky ones?
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On what criteria has the IIT Committee selected these colleges?




Colleges/institutes short-listed for IITs

A total of seven colleges/institutes from four states were short-listed for conversion into IITs. Some of the states have suggested two colleges in the hope that at least one would be selected. The colleges affiliated to the Aligarh Muslim University and the Banaras Hindu University have applied on their own, as they are central universities.

Let us view their merits state-wise:

Uttar Pradesh: Both the colleges -- Banaras Hindu University's Institute of Technology (ITBHU) and the Zakir Hussain College of Engineering, Aligarh (of AMU) -- are part of central government universities.

ITBHU admits students through all India IIT-JEE examination since 1972 and it is the only college among the chosen seven to grant admission of students on an all-India basis.

Encouraged by the IIT Board (an apex governing committee of all IITs), it applied for IIT status in 1973 with East German collaboration. However, the deal fell through due to political reasons.

West Bengal: The state government has put forward two of its finest engineering colleges, namely the Jadavpur University's Engineering and Technical Department, and the Bengal Engineering College, Howrah.

BEC and ITBHU provided most of the faculty members to IITs during their formative years. The state will likely get other institutes, if it fails to get an IIT.

Andhra Pradesh: The state has put forward Osmania College of Engineering (Osmania University College of Technology), Hyderabad, and the Andhra University College of Engineering, Visakhapatanam.

The state is aggressively pushing for an IIT and it has even threatened to establish an IIT of its own if one is not granted. The central government has set up a committee to study the creation of a separate state of Telangana (after splitting Andhra Pradesh), with Visakhapatanam as the new capital.

If the move materialises, Andhra University College of Engineering could be converted into an NIT.

Kerala: It has only one college -- the Cochin University of Science and Technology -- in the race for conversion into an IIT.

This fine institute, which used to offer only post-graduate courses, now also offers graduate courses in a wide range of engineering, sciences, law and management. All 20 Members of Parliament from the state are unanimous over their demand for an IIT.



Brand new IITs or Converted IITs?

Prior to coming up of IIT-Roorkee, all the six IITs were established as brand new IITs, i.e. from scratch.

IIT-Guwahati was established in 1992 with an estimated outlay of about Rs 1,000 crore (Rs 10 billion). But on completion, the total cost came to be about Rs 1,500 crore (Rs 15 billion).

Alarmed by this cost escalation, the government decided to set up future IITs only by converting existing colleges. It will cost upwards of Rs 2,000 crore (Rs 20 billion) today to set up a brand new IIT. A college converted into an IIT will receive a one-time grant (paid over a period of three years) of Rs 300 crore (Rs 3 billion). It will also receive an annual funding of about Rs 100 crore (Rs 1 billion).

Fear over dilution of IIT quality

There is an apprehension that with the creation of more IITs, the quality of IITs may be diluted. I believe that this fear is unfounded, since even if there are 12 IITs, it will represent only 1 per cent of the approximately 1,200 degree engineering colleges in India which produce about 250,000 engineers each year.

The one-time massive grant received by each converted IIT will help in upgrading college infrastructure -- such as buildings, labs, workshops, etc. Moreover, substantial increase in annual funding will result in attracting talented faculty, more research scientists and definitely better students for postgraduate and PhD programmes.

The converted institute shall have to comply with strict educational norms laid down by the IIT Board (Council), such as 1:1 ratio of admitted undergraduate/postgraduate students; faculty/student ratio of 1:8 or better; constantly updating of the curriculum; hiring of faculty with only doctorate qualification and a distinguished career; participation in TEQIP (Technical Education and Quality Improvement Programme) by all faculty members, etc.

However, when a college that does not have any affiliation with the IIT-JEE becomes an IIT, it may suffer initially in terms of student quality, as several batches will pass out with the IIT tag without having to go through the tough IIT-JEE exam. It is also true that a new converted college will take a few years to come at par with the IITs' high academic standards and to assimilate into the IIT culture. But this is small price we will have to pay for long-term benefits to our country.


The author is chemical engineering graduate from ITBHU and an MS (chemical engineering) from Rutgers University, New Jersey. He has deeply interacted with the HRD ministry, state ministers, IIT board, IIT Selection Committee. The views expressed here are personal.
 
adhanda said:
http://in.rediff.com/money/2005/mar/23iit.htm


Making on new IITs, will it dilute the brand of IIT, wont it be better to setup more NITs or create a new brand (Technical Institute of India? National University, India? ...) out of these colleges. I havent even heard of atleast 3 out of this list. Lets wait to hear comments from non-iitians on this.

Abhishek

Why should this dilute the brand of IITs ? Raising level of other institutions should in no way affect the brand of IITs. Its like saying that Villages should not be brought at par with cities and towns as that would dilute the brand of Cities. Existing IIts should now only produce high class engineers, they should helpother institutions to come up. I feel this is their national duty.

I fully endorse the views of Joshi Committee. India can not afford to live with just few IIts,,,We need many more... IItians should not make IIts like their personal club and bar others to neter this elite club.

Rajendra
 
I do not agree with Mr. Kalkhande's statement and being even a non-iitian do totally support what dhanda bhai has said. In deed it will dilute the brand name as well as Repo. of country's best engg. instis. Rather then making new IIT's or upgrading other insti's, some differenet kind of technical level instis should be created. Like, NIT's should meet and conduct a common entrance exam like JEE and quota of states in NIT's should be removed, rather admission should be based on national open ranking. Making aforesaid instis an IIT is nothing more than a political stunt. The matter should be dealt seriouly n honestly by present Govt. seeing all pos n cons of report. Universities like OSMANIA are blacklisted in United states at some universities, making them instantly IIT will definitely throw mud on the face of IIT's brand name.
Moreover, i would say that government should increase the funds to these university in order to upgrade their status rather than changing names to IIT. State n center govt. should try to implement IIT's exam pattern as well as simulate as many as qualities as possible .
Frankly speaking, ROORKEE ENGG. COLLEGE (previously THOMSON'S COLLEGE OF ENGG.) was country's oldest engg. college and now is an IIT. Still it will take many more years to come at par with IIT's which are barely 50 years old and much more ahead than the 150 years old ROORKEE ENGG. COLLEGE (Now, IITR).
Bottomline is that this is not a wise decision and should be given not only a second thought but much more than that.
 
Rajender ji, I am sure it won't dilute the image of IITs but much depends on the quality of education/faculty. These new institutes should be at par with other IITs in infrastructure and faculty otherwise they can bring down the name of current IITs. It should ideally be like IIT Roorkee. I think transforming Roorkee Univ into an IIT was a good move and it really didn't dilute the image of IITs.
Secondly, there will something for +2 passouts to cheer about. They have more choice.
But I think review of college mentioned in the first post should be done by an independent agency and shouldn't be influenced by political parties. In the list above, I am a bit skeptical about Bengal Engg. College, Howrah, Zakir Hussain College of Engineering and Technology, Andhra University College of Engineering and Osmania Univ. Let's see what happens!
 
Dear Friends,

If India has to make it to the top in the League of Nations, quality education must penetrate into smaller towns and villages. Most of the present IITs cater to the manpower needs of USA and Europe. Where from we will get the scientists and engineers for our space research and atomic research? Creating new IITs will just help these colleges to upgrade their infrastructure and I see nothing wrong in that. If we don't create quality Institutes now, we will face acute shortage of manpower very soon. One can lay down the criteria for an institution to be called IIT of course. However, there is no reason why we cannot have more IITs. The name IIT cannot be a registered brand name of few elites..

Rajendra
 
rkumar said:
Dear Friends,

If India has to make it to the top in the League of Nations, quality education must penetrate into smaller towns and villages. Most of the present IITs cater to the manpower needs of USA and Europe. Where from we will get the scientists and engineers for our space research and atomic research? Creating new IITs will just help these colleges to upgrade their infrastructure and I see nothing wrong in that. If we don't create quality Institutes now, we will face acute shortage of manpower very soon. One can lay down the criteria for an institution to be called IIT of course. However, there is no reason why we cannot have more IITs. The name IIT cannot be a registered brand name of few elites..

Rajendra

No one is against creating 'IIT level' institutes, offcourse our country needs to spend much more on research, lab facilities etc, but why name them IIT ??? MIT is one of its kind, Stanford has its own brand, Berkeley is another world class school, why cant we create a new brand. Instead of naming them IIT, give the same amout of money to them, but make them NIT or whatever name Mr. Prime Minister likes, You should create more brand names, India needs IIT LIKE institutes. Roorkee was a very reputed university, infact better than IIT in some fields (civil engg. for eg), Instead of naming it IIT, govt could have created another brand name Roorkee !!(forget about the name of the place). Its like getting in any engineering college is piece of cake, getting in RECs/NITs is tough, and getting in IIT is very tough, so you are just pulling the level down to 'tough' or at par with NITs, which offcourse shouldn't be the case.
 
adhanda said:
No one is against creating 'IIT level' institutes, offcourse our country needs to spend much more on research, lab facilities etc, but why name them IIT ??? MIT is one of its kind, Stanford has its own brand, Berkeley is another world class school, why cant we create a new brand. Instead of naming them IIT, give the same amout of money to them, but make them NIT or whatever name Mr. Prime Minister likes, You should create more brand names, India needs IIT LIKE institutes. Roorkee was a very reputed university, infact better than IIT in some fields (civil engg. for eg), Instead of naming it IIT, govt could have created another brand name Roorkee !!(forget about the name of the place). Its like getting in any engineering college is piece of cake, getting in RECs/NITs is tough, and getting in IIT is very tough, so you are just pulling the level down to 'tough' or at par with NITs, which offcourse shouldn't be the case.

I agree here with you Abhishek. There are institutions like BITS, IIS Bangalore who have created their own brand names. Problem in India is of sponsorship. As of now the private money is missing and most institutions look towards government for funds. Insitutions like IIMs, which try to survive on their own, also get dictates from government ( Hope you recollect MM Joshi's bungling with IIMs).. Under the circumstances the only option is to follow a well laid down system where one can quote some one and ask for similar facilities and funding.. IIT model comes handy and this is why they are trying to cut short it all...Let each IIT compete then with each other and maintain its own brand...

Political intereference in the running of universities have spoiled the education system in India. Universities like Allahbad which used to be the best in the world some 40 years back, have been reduced to rubble by the people like MM Joshi. Nothing less than a national movement would restore the lost glory of our educational institutions. However, till that happens, we have to address the short term needs of the nation and therefore I do not find anything wrong in the present move of creating more IITs.

RK^2
 
First of all, what prevails in India is completey different from US. One DhabaWalah in Delhi can earn more than a McDonald restaurant in a day and this is possible in India. But this is not possible in US. Indians think differently. You know MDU of Rohtak never been able to surpass KU in the eyes of public. They tried ones with B.Ed but it was a short term goal. And there are many more examples. What it means is that in India if one College/Univ has earned a good name, then it'll be forever and vice versa.

I remember, Govt. tried to experiment with new quality institutes as well like IIITs (Indian Institutes of Information Tech.) but they were not able to leave a mark. What Abhishek is saying is correct but in Indian scenario, people's perception is altogether different. Even the industry doesn't think that way. They just adhere to a 'trademark' institute. As far as I know, people in India rate any IIT graduate better than top ranked NIT graduate. However, in reality, it is not be true. And I don't think that it's very easy to change this perception of Indian families.
Other solution, if adopted honestly and accurately, can bring even better names to IITs. Govt. has finalized a list of 7 colleges but I am sure they are not going to give IIT status to all these. They will be mistaken if they do it. They have be very careful otherwise IITs can become 'State colleges of Maharashtra'.
 
itsnavin said:
First of all, what prevails in India is completey different from US. One DhabaWalah in Delhi can earn more than a McDonald restaurant in a day and this is possible in India. But this is not possible in US. Indians think differently. You know MDU of Rohtak never been able to surpass KU in the eyes of public. They tried ones with B.Ed but it was a short term goal. And there are many more examples. What it means is that in India if one College/Univ has earned a good name, then it'll be forever and vice versa.

I remember, Govt. tried to experiment with new quality institutes as well like IIITs (Indian Institutes of Information Tech.) but they were not able to leave a mark. What Abhishek is saying is correct but in Indian scenario, people's perception is altogether different. Even the industry doesn't think that way. They just adhere to a 'trademark' institute. As far as I know, people in India rate any IIT graduate better than top ranked NIT graduate. However, in reality, it is not be true. And I don't think that it's very easy to change this perception of Indian families.
Other solution, if adopted honestly and accurately, can bring even better names to IITs. Govt. has finalized a list of 7 colleges but I am sure they are not going to give IIT status to all these. They will be mistaken if they do it. They have be very careful otherwise IITs can become 'State colleges of Maharashtra'.

I do agree totally with ur ideas that any thing is possible in india and ur last line though funny, carries a great meaning in depth. Giving brand name of IIT to every institute will only lower their reputation. Govt. should try to create more quality instis like IIT's rather than using already well established name.
No political agenda should b there and things must be done transparently when carrier of so many future young minds is at stake because it takes several coming Govts to mend one such big mistake of present govt.
 
Govt should provide more funds to existing colleges and upgarde their infrastructure...Making them all IITs is only symbolic...
 
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Pehle ghadhe ko dhodna sikhao, phir use ghoda kahlao.

Ya Phir:

Pehle ghadhe ko dhodna sikhao, aur phir use ek brand new unique
naam dilao !

Reminds me of the following story:

Ek baar ek gaam mein dhod hone lag rahi thi. This teenage kid
says to his dad, "Babu, babu mujhe ek naya kaccha dilayo, mein
bhi dhod karoonga. Babu bola, 'Beta, pehle sab se aage dhondna sikh le,
tab naya kaccha pehan kar dhod me hissa lena. Kahin koi fate purane kucche
wala tere se aage nikal gaya toh sab gaon wale paat-paat ke
hansi karenge ki, dekho bhayion reye, paate kucche aala tae aaya first,
aur you naye kucche aala saab tae pacche ghasrta-ghasrta aan laag ra se."
 
itsnavin said:
First of all, what prevails in India is completey different from US. One DhabaWalah in Delhi can earn more than a McDonald restaurant in a day and this is possible in India. But this is not possible in US. Indians think differently. You know MDU of Rohtak never been able to surpass KU in the eyes of public. They tried ones with B.Ed but it was a short term goal. And there are many more examples. What it means is that in India if one College/Univ has earned a good name, then it'll be forever and vice versa.

Contrary to what you seem to be implying, in the US too the lower ranker
and lower profile universities have a tough time coming out of established
perceptions. And the established ones continue to thrive on their good names...
names that were established over a 100 years back.
 
Its all media hype

Dear members

In case you study in an IIT or IIM, you learnt and gained much out of intense networking amoungs students.They are what they are not because of the teachers or the infrastructure, but because of fellow-students (Some of whom are blindingly intelligent) .

Let me throw this one also as a fellow IIT-ian that IITs aren't the panacea that the media make them.

Baljit
 
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