The rise of Mughals in India

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A 12,000 Mughal army beat Lodi's army numbering in lakhs at panipat. Kya reasons the ke mughals were able to beat up every muslim and hindu army from India?:confused:
 
amritkharb said:
A 12,000 Mughal army beat Lodi's army numbering in lakhs at panipat. Kya reasons the ke mughals were able to beat up every muslim and hindu army from India?:confused:
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in my opinion reason could be that-
1-indian warriors were not trained
2-indian's army was mostly consisted of mens from all the professions,for example-butcher,farmer blacksmith etc,and kings used to use them at the time of war.
3-whereas mughals have all the men who were trained.
4-mughal's army have all the professional warriors.
5-indians were corrupt,that was the reason why diffrent rulers from foreign ruled india,with the conspiracy of indians and mughals ,mughals faught indians and they won diffrent wars.
6-in one book i have read that indians were ill skilled and backwrd .that could also be a reason for their defeat.
 
amritkharb said:
"If you are not a part of solution then You are part of problem";)
That is on you bro, since you have 0 knowldge about this , kindly refrain from making useless comments. Thanx.;);)
Awaiting comments from knowldgeable people like Mr. Ravi Choudhary and others like him. :)
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Apke toh knowledge ke suwen lag rahe hain.. Show me thread where you put ur immense knowledge..

It damn easy to write anything and put question mark at the end..

To any discussion, Initiator has to put his ideas or thoughts. You just put one liner and ask the views.. Why don't you spend some time to do the SWOT analysis of these historical/current events and then invite people to discuss these things...
 
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In 15th and 16th centuries, India was under the wave of 'Bhakti Movement' when many saints and poets like Kabir, Nanak, Tulsidas, Surdas, Mirabai and several Sufi saints influenced the public. At that very time, Central Asia had invented gun-power and manufactured medium-range guns and artilery, powered by this gun-powder.

Indian kings used to rear elephants for major battles and had superior warriors. On the other hand, Babur had fast runnings horses and a modern artilery, despite low number of soldiers. In the battle of Panipat, a few shots of cannons intimated the elephants who ran away out of fear and shock from huge blasts and gurgling sound of exploding shells, thus crushing their own soldiers under their feet. A few other artilery shells made an immense psychological impact on the Indian soldiers as they had not heard such a huge blast piercing through their ears and hearts.

India had the best soldiers who were undefeatable in a hand-to-hand fight or a sword-fight. But when the enemy does not allow you to come near and is able to shoot you from a distance (through guns and cannons), the battle is lost without real fight.

I could not find a more acute answer to this question.

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dndeswal said:
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In 15th and 16th centuries, India was under the wave of 'Bhakti Movement' when many saints and poets like Kabir, Nanak, Tulsidas, Surdas, Mirabai and several Sufi saints influenced the public. At that very time, Central Asia had invented gun-power and manufactured medium-range guns and artilery, powered by this gun-powder.

Indian kings used to rear elephants for major battles and had superior warriors. On the other hand, Babur had fast runnings horses and a modern artilery, despite low number of soldiers. In the battle of Panipat, a few shots of cannons intimated the elephants who ran away out of fear and shock from huge blasts and gurgling sound of exploding shells, thus crushing their own soldiers under their feet. A few other artilery shells made an immense psychological impact on the Indian soldiers as they had not heard such a huge blast piercing through their ears and hearts.

India had the best soldiers who were undefeatable in a hand-to-hand fight or a sword-fight. But when the enemy does not allow you to come near and is able to shoot you from a distance (through guns and cannons), the battle is lost without real fight.

I could not find a more acute answer to this question.

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Pehle baat ki Babur se ladai karne panipat par Dusre muslmaan aaye the na ki Hindu. Woh muslmaan afghan aur turk the na ki hindu.


"Indian kings used to rear elephants for major battles and had superior warriors."

"India had the best soldiers"

WON"T DO THIS:

A few other artilery shells made an immense psychological impact on the Indian soldiers as they had not heard such a huge blast piercing through their ears and hearts.

Iska matlab woh itne brave nahe the.

This has been proved when sub log takreban ek bandook aur ek see cannon istemal kar rahe the jaise ki angrezon ke saath ladai mein.
Thode se angrez bahut saaare hindustaniyoon ko takreban har baari defeat kar dete the.

Agar ISS BOARd par aise history likhe jaati hae tho usko kahaniyaan hae kahenge. :)

Baki baat bhakti movement aur cannons ki that I agree with. Par yeh puri story nahe ho sakti ki sirf inn karan se mughals ne 331 saal tak hindustan par raj kiya.
 
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Bhai khrab ya history hai.. na tane dekhi er na or kise ne.. jo kitabo me likh rkha h wahi sach man-na padega.. sab andaja hai..

Deswal uncle ne jo likha h wo history ke anusar bilkul sahi h. Babur Turk tha agreed but he never thought of himself as a Turk. Google pe search mar liye paa jaagi ya baat bhi.

Pahla to specifically experienced logo se jaankari maange h bhai tu, er fer jab ve bta de h to tu maanta nahi unki baat???? Jisne jitna bera h utna e btavega na. Sab ka kitaabi gyaan h. jo padh rkha h ya sun rkha h wahi bta rahe h.

Eeb Babur ne Panipat ki ladaai kyukar jeeti is khatir to tane 'The Moughal Emperers' kitaab e padhni padegi.. Tere doubt jibe clear ho sake h.
Ya fer 'Time machine' bna k 1526 me ek geda maar aa!
 
Amrit, I have seen other threads started by you. I fail to understand why you tend to start vague arguments and ideas and remain in a fighting mood with fellow members in your threads. Here, do you want to become a hero like Babur and singlehandedly defeat all fellow Jatlanders in this battle of words? You say "I am a chemistry person, not a business person". Being so and being stationed in California, are you so authoritative on each and every subject, even Indian history? If you yourself become Judge, Jury and Prosecutor, then what is left for others to discuss in your threads?
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dndeswal said:
Amrit, I have seen other threads started by you. I fail to understand why you tend to start vague arguments and ideas and remain in a fighting mood with fellow members in your threads. Here, do you want to become a hero like Babur and singlehandedly defeat all fellow Jatlanders in this battle of words? You say "I am a chemistry person, not a business person". Being so and being stationed in California, are you so authoritative on each and every subject, even Indian history? If you yourself become Judge, Jury and Prosecutor, then what is left for others to discuss in your threads?
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Something from the movie 'The Dark Knight' [where Alfred tells Bruce why Joker fellow is too complicated to understand],

"... Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn."

Sir, some ppl just want to have fun... there is no reason, no sense, no rationality, no premise, no conclusion in what they say.

They say things, NOT because they have something to say BUT because they have to say something... anything!!
Sad thing is that some worthy members continue to fall prey to such gibberings!!
 
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sunillathwal said:
Something from the movie 'The Dark Knight' [where Alfred tells Bruce why Joker fellow is too complicated to understand],

"... Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn."

Sir, some ppl just want to have fun... there is no reason, no sense, no rationality, no premise, no conclusion in what they say.

They say things, NOT because they have something to say BUT because they have to say something... anything!!
Sad thing is that some worthy members continue to fall prey to such gibberings!!
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Gazab karr diya chhore...maza aa gaya padhke..:D
 
The light hearted banterand humor aside, the question is still a serious one:


There is no clear data about the 1st battle of Panipat of 1526.

There are only estimates. Some say Babur’s army was 12,000 and some say it was 25,000. Some say Ibrhim Lodi’s Army was 50,000 some say 100,000.

Who was Ibrahim Lodi?

He was the son of Sikander Lodi, who was a successful, tyrannical hard core Mulsim. He persecuted Hindus, and destroyed their Temples. He was militarily successful.

His son Ibrahim Lodi spent his life in civil wars with his fellow Afghan relatives. His empire was in disorder.

The previous disciplined army did not exist. His army consisted of a number of troops hastily put together.


He faced a disciplined army of Babur, which operated as a single unit.

WEAPONS.

Lodhi faced artillery, Cannons, Matchlocks, and fast moving cavalry.


Tactics.

Lodhi ,though superior in numbers, could not concentrate his forces, and bring a concentrated force to bear on Babur’s defences.

Lodhi advanced with his large unwieldy army. His vanguard, the front, was boxed in. It was fired upon by cannon, and harassed by mobile cavalry. Cannon fire caused great panic, confusion and fear.

Lodhi lost control of the battle. His army retreated in panic, and the battle was over.

It is estimated that only about 6,000 of Lodhi's army came into play.

In other words Babur had a 2:1 advantage in forces where it was required. If superior weapons, cannons, Matchlock guns, and mobile cavalry is taken into account, he had the advantage.

Lodhi was ill prepared ,disorganized and there was no cohesiveness or corp de spirit in his army.

This is my understanding.

Perhaps other members of a Military background can comment.



Ravi Chaudhary.
 
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I have read in a jat's history book (probably writeen by thakur deshraj) that babar was also backed up by "sarv khap panchayat" 's . army. It were the warriors of panchayat's army (most of them jats) who carried out the mass destruction of lodhi's army.
 
Ghar ka Bhedhi...

Now just that there is another side of the coin also discussed here; remember that like always technically it was again an insider that has contributed for the 'fall' (or in this case the rise of the Mughals in the Indian Sub-continent)... in other words; towards another decisive moment in the long line of Indian historical events....

Babur (Zahir-ud-Din Muhammad) never came by his own accord in the first place to challenge the might of Hindustan or the Lodi's (a very powerful Delhi sultanate at that point) but had actually been invited by (and subsequently promised to help) a certain Daulat Khan Lodhi, the Governor of Lahore, to fight and over-throw this powerful Sultan of Delhi (i.e, Ibrahim Lodhi) ... obviously Babur, the ever ambitious wily Afghan commander (ruler of Kabul and a decendant of Timur; and possible links with the great Ghenghis Khan himself maybe?) could not have missed this golden opportunity and immediately entered the fray; and apparently after some small campaigns to gain confidence and strategies on this soil, met Lodi's army at the 'historical' battle of Panipat in 1525 AD.
 
amritkharb said:
A 12,000 Mughal army beat Lodi's army numbering in lakhs at panipat. Kya reasons the ke mughals were able to beat up every muslim and hindu army from India?:confused:
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sabse bada reason tha ki india wale ek dusre ko support nhi dete they
chote chote part main tha india us time pe
 
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