This is why I hate ISLAM

[ravichaudhary]

whole history of mankind is full of blood n wars. because thats the only way in which people could show their power or dominance. and it applied to every religion. no religion could preaches that we killed less as compare to others.
and religion is most likely cause of fight. coz it follows the basic concept of diffrence.
up 2 u.

Not quite:

This interview below may put matters in some perpsective.

Mrs Sultan puts the matter clearly my paraphrase)


“ from the outset, the Muslims following their founder Muhammad, have divided the world into two parts- muslims and non muslims, and that muslims must fight those non believers until they start to follow muslim beliefs. This has always entailed violence.


No Jew is blowing up a German restaurant because of the holocaust. No Buddhist is blowing up Masjids because the Muslims destroyed the priceless Bamiyan Buddha statues.

No Hindu is rushing to Mecca to kill Muslims.HIndus have historically only acted in self defence.

ON THE RAM MANDIR( REPLACED BY THE BABRI MASJID), AND COUNTLESS OTHER HINDU, BUDDHIST, JAIN temples destroyed.

Why are Muslims so insistent that they must worship or build a place of worship where someone else had a worship place, and that to after destroying it?.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM DO NOT RESPECT THE BELIEFS OF OTHERS.

If they did, they would demolish all the Mosques which they have built on the place of worship of Hindus and others,

Mr Malik, does not need to be an apologia for Islam.



In our culture, every child is taught , that if they wish others to respect them they must learn to resepct others

If people who follow Islam desire respect from the rest of the world, they need to start respecting beliefs and religions of others



Ravi Chaudhary


or video clip see url below:


http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cach...afa&hl=en&gl=ca&ct=clnk&cd=3&client=firefox-a





2/21/2006
Clip No. 1050

Arab-American Psychologist Wafa Sultan: There Is No Clash of Civilizations but a Clash between the Mentality of the Middle Ages and That of the 21st Century

Following are excerpts from an interview with Arab-American psychologist Wafa Sultan. The interview was aired on Al-Jazeera TV on February 21, 2006
.
Wafa Sultan: The clash we are witnessing around the world is not a clash of religions, or a clash of civilizations. It is a clash between two opposites, between two eras. It is a clash between a mentality that belongs to the Middle Ages and another mentality that belongs to the 21st century. It is a clash between civilization and backwardness, between the civilized and the primitive, between barbarity and rationality. It is a clash between freedom and oppression, between democracy and dictatorship. It is a clash between human rights, on the one hand, and the violation of these rights, on other hand. It is a clash between those who treat women like beasts, and those who treat them like human beings. What we see today is not a clash of civilizations. Civilizations do not clash, but compete.


[...]
Host: I understand from your words that what is happening today is a clash between the culture of the West, and the backwardness and ignorance of the Muslims?


Wafa Sultan: Yes, that is what I mean.
[...]


Host: Who came up with the concept of a clash of civilizations? Was it not Samuel Huntington? It was not Bin Laden. I would like to discuss this issue, if you don't mind...


Wafa Sultan: The Muslims are the ones who began using this expression. The Muslims are the ones who began the clash of civilizations. The Prophet of Islam said: "I was ordered to fight the people until they believe in Allah and His Messenger." When the Muslims divided the people into Muslims and non-Muslims, and called to fight the others until they believe in what they themselves believe, they started this clash, and began this war.


In order to start this war, they must reexamine their Islamic books and curricula, which are full of calls for takfir and fighting the infidels.


My colleague has said that he never offends other people's beliefs.


What civilization on the face of this earth allows him to call other people by names that they did not choose for themselves? Once, he calls them Ahl Al-Dhimma, another time he calls them the "People of the Book," and yet another time he compares them to apes and pigs, or he calls the Christians "those who incur Allah's wrath." Who told you that they are "People of the Book"? They are not the People of the Book, they are people of many books. All the useful scientific books that you have today are theirs, the fruit of their free and creative thinking. What gives you the right to call them "those who incur Allah's wrath," or "those who have gone astray," and then come here and say that your religion commands you to refrain from offending the beliefs of others?
I am not a Christian, a Muslim, or a Jew. I am a secular human being. I do not believe in the supernatural, but I respect others' right to believe

in it.
Dr. Ibrahim Al-Khouli: Are you a heretic?


Wafa Sultan: You can say whatever you like. I am a secular human being who does not believe in the supernatural...


Dr. Ibrahim Al-Khouli: If you are a heretic, there is no point in rebuking you, since you have blasphemed against Islam, the Prophet, and the Koran...


Wafa Sultan: These are personal matters that do not concern you.
[...]


Wafa Sultan: Brother, you can believe in stones, as long as you don't throw them at me. You are free to worship whoever you want, but other people's beliefs are not your concern, whether they believe that the Messiah is God, son of Mary, or that Satan is God, son of Mary. Let people have their beliefs.
[...]


Wafa Sultan: The Jews have come from the tragedy (of the Holocaust), and forced the world to respect them, with their knowledge, not with their terror, with their work, not their crying and yelling. Humanity owes most of the discoveries and science of the 19th and 20th centuries to Jewish scientists. 15 million people, scattered throughout the world, united and won their rights through work and knowledge. We have not seen a single Jew blow himself up in a German restaurant. We have not seen a single Jew destroy a church. We have not seen a single Jew protest by killing people.


The Muslims have turned three Buddha statues into rubble. We have not seen a single Buddhist burn down a Mosque, kill a Muslim, or burn down an embassy. Only the Muslims defend their beliefs by burning down churches, killing people, and destroying embassies. This path will not yield any results. The Muslims must ask themselves what they can do for humankind, before they demand that humankind respect them.

 

[vijay]

atleast ?
pandavs kills their brothers in battle for kingdom.

Mister XYZ,

Who told you that pandavas killed their brothers for kingdom. Have you ever read Mahabharata ????????????????????????

Pandvas fought for the justice, truth and self respect.

It was a muslim theory to kill their fathers and brothers for the kingdom. U need any example ?????????????????????????

Hey man, if you are a real jat and Hindu, read mahabharta first and than try to comment. Don't fire in air.

U got it ??????

 

[crsnadar]

Reality!!!

What is superier is a matter of Debate.
But some things are here which donn,t need Debate.

Among all religions
Who is disbalancing population growth in India more?
Who is the main user of Plastic Items?
Who is not obeying Indian laws of marriages?
Who is the major source of increasing waste to the environment?
Who is dumping more the female part to not to be educated?
Who is the main source of production of Militants?

You know the answer evry well.

I strongly support some strict laws to be imposed on them.
They must be restricted to have only one child. If somebody violate this law he must be banned to have any Govt post & banned to VOTE.
Restriction of ONE child should be only for them.
For other religions it should be TWO.
You know well, why.

India jaise garib desh me jahan do waqt ki roti ke liye musibat ho jaati hai wahan ye log 10 - 10 bachche paida kar dete hai.
10 bhikhari paida karne se achcha hai ki ek achchha naagrik paida karein.

Bye

 

[sampuran]

and it applied to every religion. no religion could preaches that we killed less as compare to others.
.

Brother Rakesh Killings only for religious objectives. Just give one example each from Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Zoroastrianism and Sikkhism.

For the knowledge of the ignorant members.

Secondle. phleeaze If you are an India, know your history

If you are a muslim, post but dont impersonate.
PLEEEEEEEEEEEse

 

[rkumar]

Terror of Politics

I would advise that you all read the following link and see for yourself what the public mood is on the subject now;

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1648453,0035.htm

As you can all see, public is fed up with all this and does not get excited anymore. I suppose this is the ultimate solution to terrorism and the politics of communalism. There is every possibility that Indian public will show the way to world on handling terrorism.

RK^2

 

[rakeshmalik]

I would advise that you all read the following link and see for yourself what the public mood is on the subject now;

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1648453,0035.htm

As you can all see, public is fed up with all this and does not get excited anymore. I suppose this is the ultimate solution to terrorism and the politics of communalism. There is every possibility that Indian public will show the way to world on handling terrorism.

RK^2

right sir, its really nice precedent which people set on this issue.

 

[deswal]

I also feel compelled to write like this:




"Aao ek baar phir manav ban jayen..........

Purvajo ne hame sikhaya jivon se bhi prem karna,
Lekin hamne sikha manav se bhi nafarat karna.
Ab lekar unka naam, ham chahte hain shoshan karna,
Unka jinka kaam hi hai anusharan karna.
Kyon unko maaren? Kyon inko marvayen? Kyo danav ban jayen?
Aao ek baar phir..............

Kyon lagati Isa ko suli agar dharam na hota,
kyonlagati Gandhi ko goli agar dharam na hota.
Kyon Dayanand ko mara jata agar dharam na hota,
Kyon marte Guru Teg Bahadur agar dharam na hota.
Dharam dharam ko katl kare to aao adharami ban jayen.
Aao ek baar phir....................

Eksi jaban sabhi ki karyashetra sab ka dhaam,
Kal se na honge mandir masjid ye honge school tamam.
Eksi poshak sabhi ki karke khana sabka iman,
Eksi ho dadhi-munch ek hi se sabke naam.
Ram Baksh na Khuda Baksh aao ka..kha..ga..ban jayen.
Aao ek baar phir manav ban jayen."

I shall be grateful if some friend writes this in Devnagari and posts.

 

[sampuran]

A borrowed religion

Noble thoughts Deswal bhai. Manav banaanaa to chaha nahin na, is cheez ko shuru karne wale ne! Just think :

Allah - Stolen from Yajurved, a synonymn of Amba, Akka (mother goddess)

Kaaba - Stolen Shiv temple. This became a standard practice to steal and usurp other's places of worship

Hajj - Again an ancient annual tradition of Vedic Arabs. Used to be calle 'OKAJ' Mela.

Prayer with open hands - Opposite of what Vedic p[eople used to do, with hands folded, like Indians.

Beared without muucch - Opposite of Vedic (Indian) traditions

Counterclockwise chakkar of Kaaba stone - Opposite of 'sat' phere of Shivling

Kneeling position(Vajrasan) - What Ayurvedic Jat physician taught Mohammed to get rid of his belching problem.

Topi - A little bigger version of Jewish skull cap. To attarct Jews of Madina to islam when Mohammed migrated to that places under financial constraints

Halal - Idea again borrowed from Jews. They call it 'Kosher'.

Aversion to pigs - Again borrowed from Jews who considered pigs to be unclean.

So what is original to Islam ????????

Aversion to dog s - because one evening a wounded stray dogs happened to reach under Mohammed's bed and died there. By late night it was stinking. But the man could not locate the source of the stink from dead body. In the morning somebody found it. And lo behold - Out came a revealation to declare the dogs as haraam.

Hijab - The veil was initially used to book war booty (women) as people do to occupy seats in a general compartment bogie. Throwing your chador over a beautiful woman menat that she was your property. Nobody else would touch her. Later mohammed also realised that it was a a good way controlling libidous thoughts under check and avoiding embarassment for himself


Cruelty - We all know it very well.

Only thing to add is that Mohammed devised a very ingenous and fool proof method of inculcating a cruel and merciless narute amongst his followers. It was the act of Halaling a goat. It is supposed to be done as slowly as possible, while the believer recites prayers. So that the murderer will not shy away even when the victim was crying, writhing in agony...

Deceipt - Mohammed attacked his own saviours, the people of Madina. They had sheltered him when he fled Mecca.

Falsehood - He signed a peace treaty with Meccans. But broke it himself. Result even today the mullahs and ideologues of islam practice the same trick . Cant be trusted .
Havent we heard of the tricks played on Jat Raja of Afganistan or Prithviraj Chauhan or the Raja of Andhra ?

Sources ???/ Original Islamic literature and websites. Only thing is they glorify these as noble ideals.

 

[ratheetheraist]

okk

dear all,,,,

i dont have ny reasons to naarratte my hatered towards this________ religion.......jo bharnnaa ho bharr liyoo thaam ee.........

nd i hate thm frm core f my heart..........nd wl try to do smthing in ths regad in my life to console my hate towards ____________............

 

[vijay]

I also feel compelled to write like this:




"Aao ek baar phir manav ban jayen..........

Purvajo ne hame sikhaya jivon se bhi prem karna,
Lekin hamne sikha manav se bhi nafarat karna.
Ab lekar unka naam, ham chahte hain shoshan karna,
Unka jinka kaam hi hai anusharan karna.
Kyon unko maaren? Kyon inko marvayen? Kyo danav ban jayen?
Aao ek baar phir..............

Kyon lagati Isa ko suli agar dharam na hota,
kyonlagati Gandhi ko goli agar dharam na hota.
Kyon Dayanand ko mara jata agar dharam na hota,
Kyon marte Guru Teg Bahadur agar dharam na hota.
Dharam dharam ko katl kare to aao adharami ban jayen.
Aao ek baar phir....................

Eksi jaban sabhi ki karyashetra sab ka dhaam,
Kal se na honge mandir masjid ye honge school tamam.
Eksi poshak sabhi ki karke khana sabka iman,
Eksi ho dadhi-munch ek hi se sabke naam.
Ram Baksh na Khuda Baksh aao ka..kha..ga..ban jayen.
Aao ek baar phir manav ban jayen."

I shall be grateful if some friend writes this in Devnagari and posts.

Deswal Ji,


Apki baate bahut achhi hai par aaj ke waqt ye koi mayne nahi rakhti.

In todays world "Might is right"

Do you care how many indian citizens celebrate when we loose a Cricket or Hockey match against Pakistan.


That's our thinking. They (Muslims) are deceiving us and our India. I don't like most of them but maybe some good Muslims there who really like India but most of them are just Muslims not INDIANS. That matters a lot if you think like me.

I can write a lot but maybe later.

 

[deswal]

Thanks Vijay, for sharing your thoughts! I understand your concern! You have a point there.

Looking forward hearing more from you,

Deswal

 

[vijay]

Thanks Vijay, for sharing your thoughts! I understand your concern! You have a point there.

Looking forward hearing more from you,

Deswal

Respected deswal sir,


Thank you

I am ready to respond whenever a comment comes here.

Regards.

Vijay

 

[deswal]

Dear Friends,

The best thing about this thread is that many people have contributed. All have their points—straight from their hearts.

Most of the subscribers hate either the Islam or the Islamic people. As of today the scenario is not different in other parts of the non Muslim population. Reasons are obvious. I ,now, wish to take this discussion to the more practical side: solution. Sub-topic is “ How to Handle the Muslim Community of Today?” Can we eliminate them from the globe? A firm no! Can we simply ignore them? I think no given their worldwide population. I believe everybody agrees upto this point. Can we convert them to other religions and if so will they be better people after such conversion, if possible at all? What are the other possible ways of handling them? I hope if we are able to find the appropriate answer, that will be our best contribution to the mankind. And till we find any solution, should we hate them? If yes, which other religion on this earth teaches hatred towards members of the other communities? If none, are we right if we hate them? I am not saying we should love them when they hate us. I feel hatred is like a baby that harms its own mother. My question is what should be our response. Should we behave towards them as they do towards us ? Or should we try to make them behave themselves, when ever and where ever they act differently? This problem is not jat specific or Hindu specific. It rather concerns the whole non Islamic world.

Your comments please. I do hope something can come out if we sincerely apply our mind to this. I do not expect immediate comments. But please do comment at your convenience.


PS: I wrote those lines (Aao ek baar phir manav...) visualising Syed Sahabuddin sitting just beside me! The lines were basically addressed to him. Those who read those may try to re-read in that context.

 

[devdahiya]

Till such time there is greed to dominate and out do each other.....there has to be suspicion.........and suspecion breeds haterd......hatred leads to rivalry....and rivalry leads to bloodshed. Dream of a JUST world order is a mirage...as it had been this way since inception of mankind. All the best.

 

[deswal]

Thanks Dahiya Sahab for highlighting the factual position! Raaten andheri na hoti to chandrama ki kadar kon karta? It is the evil that makes us appreciate the goodness! You are right, members of each sect think theirs is the best and so all others should believe like they do. In other words they lack the spirit of accommodation.

I have reasons to believe that i) in every sect there are members who are moderate enough to respect others’ right to hold their own belief and faith, ii) the percentage of such members varies considerably from sect to sect—being the maximum among the Jains and the Parsis and the minimum among the Muslims, iii) there is always scope for betterment in every aspect of life and iv) so the reasons for such variation in the spirit of accommodation need to be identified.

My idea is not to long for an ideal or just world which can never be,as you rightly said, but to bring home the reasons which are essential if we want to make the world more harmonious. And if we have a right to speak of the problems, we have the responsibility to contribute our mite in attempts to make them less severe.

Our discussion is certainly going to pay, I bet. To what extent it is going to help depends upon how do we take this challenge. So please do contribute in spelling out the reasons for variation in the spirit of accommodation in different sects/religions. Having seen some of your other posts I believe you must have your view point on this.

 

[crsnadar]

Please notice it.

Dear All,
NAMASTE.

I want to know ki,
JIS DESH ME DO WAQT KI ROTI KE LIYE LALE PADE HUE HAIN AUR DESH PAL PAL JANSANKHYA KE BOJH SE DABA HI JA RAHA HAE WAHA YE LOG 10-12 BACHCHE PAIDA KAR RAHE HAI TO PHIR BHI KYA YE LOG SADBHAVANA KE HAQDAAR HAIN?

YA PHIR IS DESH KA HINDU TAB JAAGEGA JAB KOI VIKALP HI NAHI BACHEGA AUR PHIR SE DANGA AUR BHUKHAMRI PHELEGI?

PAR YAAD RAKHNA KI HAR BAAR JEET EK KI HI NAHI HOTI.
DUSRI BAAR CHAUHAN BHI HAAR GAYA THA.

ek baat aur,
JIS DESH ME LOG JAISE TAISE APNA PET PAAL RAHE HAI AUR PHIR BHI HUM KAI HAZAR CARORE RUPYE DEFENCE ME LAGA DETE HAIN AUR RESEARCH ME LAGA DETE HAIN, KYA ISLIYE KI INKA ISTEMAAL BILKUL BHI NAHI KARNA HAI, YA PHIR INKA ISTEMAAL KEVEL INDIAN PILOTS KO TRAINIG ME MAARNE AUR JAB INME JUNG LAG JAAYE TO INHE SHOWPIECE BANAKAR SAJA DEIN?
KYA YE ITNA PAISA ISLIYE HI KHARCH HO RAHA HAI?

JAWAB DIJIYE.

BYE
Rahul Nadar

 

[deswal]

Request For Change

I have requested (pvt msg) Rahulji to move this post to another thread titled "Muslim Jats" that appears to be relatively more relevant for this.

 

[devdahiya]

Let us not forget that all sections of the society have contributed in nation building.It is unfortunate that some vested interests have divided the people on ethnic lines and mind you loser is THE HUMANITY.Having said that in long run only goodwill will survive and destructive forces will perish.Atleast i have that absolute faith.History is the tallest witness of all for all of us to see.It is futile to name the oppressors and tyrants who tried to prove bigger than GOd but bit the dust.Timid and self-centered approaches have driven people to deep gorges from where no body came back and no one will do so.


Why talk of ethnic divide,today blood relations are the biggest enemies..'ghar-2 ki kahani hei ye'. Ofcourse we all must be concerned about the rising communalism in the society but we must pause for a while and think...'will it help us save the situation if we start hating and fighting with each other?' I kill one..his side kills my two...so on so forth.Will it not land us on a foolish and insane wicket always.I have known some very good people across the cast and creed and having seen the love and agony shared on the single platform ,i refuse to be driven into this QUAGMIRE of hatred at any cost.All human beings are the creation of God almighty without any partiality and as such all deserve dignity and just existence. Let us not get carried away and pollute our heads beyond repairs. Good luck!

 

[deswal]

Reasons

Thanks for sharing more of your views, Dahiya Sahab! Let others' comments be poured in. In the meantime : Do you believe percentage of moderates is relatively lower in Muslims. If yes, what are the reasons and possible remedial action?

 

[devdahiya]

Thanks for sharing more of your views, Dahiya Sahab! Let others' comments be poured in. In the meantime : Do you believe percentage of moderates is relatively lower in Muslims. If yes, what are the reasons and possible remedial action?

This is a tough ask Deswal ji.I think the faith one practices will definitely have a far reaching consequences on one's psych and longer the period of such hybernation,stronger will be the impact.I feel Hindus have a very singular philosophy when it comes to following something......they are not very straunch follower of religion or DIKTATS. On the other hand some religions including our Muslim brothrens are a shade more focussed and oriented towards religion.However if this belief is for good of the huminity,it is wonderful but unfortunately outcome on ground does not indicate that.May be....i say may be this could be one reason to be slightly off from that line of moderation,inspite of the negative/positive consequences humanity has expirienced so far.

Secondly may be that Muslims feel little insecure and may be a little suspecious of other religions/faiths due to the history of last 50 years or so and they must be of the strong opinion that their survival will only be possible if they stay under one umbrella even if that be at the cost of isolation.I see these two probable reasons as of now.But i strongly feel that this must be a temporary phase and they will contribute greatly for the good of civilization.Thanks for the poser.



REMEDIES ARE SELF EXPLAINATORY I SUPPOSE?