US JATS VERSUS INDIAN JATS?

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Hi Indu

Please dont mind, but you have to argument if u have posted a dicussion thread. Dont mind but this is general didcussion and you will face all kind of person some will favour you and some will oppose you so please do not take it personally just be cool?

Dont mind but it looks that you are angry from the Jaat who are abroad.

Its true that poeple forget the about thier culture after going abroad. But as i think it is natural becuase everyone wants to inprove his/her living standard, everone want to live a better & less hard working life. And you will find this behaviour in 90% Indian who want to settle abroad if they get a chance.

I want to ask a question from you. Why poeple leaving villages to live in the city/big city. Would u like to settle in a village after finishing ur professional life when u will become old?

Please dont take it personally. Sorry in advance if my words hurt you.
 
Hey! hey! hey!!! Indu,
What the hell are u saying!!
U know what, u’r totally wrong!
I strongly believe that Jat chahe koi bhi pardes mein chala jaye par uska dil hamesa desi hi rahega.
For example, I tell u….my tauji is a highly acclaimed scientist & in Canada for more then last 40 yrs but believe me whenever they visit village no one yes! No one can predict that this gentleman is now become a Canadian. They are so desi when in village they even kheti bhi karte hein.
Now let’s talk’bout a very hon’able jatland’s elderly member Subha Chandra Shivrayan uncle, he’s in Sydney for more then last 10 yrs & been Canada, England, Hong-Kong before too. Fortunately sometimes ago I met them and hats off & salutations to them as I never expected such a warm welcome & closeness from a person I never met before, their accent is still totally desi rajasthani, I never felt that he’s from Australia.
Want more, let’s talk about the great Dharmendra, once I saw an interview of him in TV. He’s was saying that after leaving the movies now I devote my most of time in farming. He’s having a big farm house in Mumbai somewhere & u often can find him driving tractor in it. So now could still stand by ur views that pardesi jats has changed?????

Jat hamesa Jat rahega chahe who channd par hi kyon nahin pahooonch jaye, kyonki appkhir uska dil hai pure Hindustani desi Jat ka! Any doubts….

But if u still think Jat’s are changing then why everybody can guess it right by just seeing a person posture, body language, speaking accent whether the guy is Jat or not!

Even my lots of friends tell that jat-shahab aap chahe kahin bhi chale jaye aur kitni bhi English bol le, aur chahe kitna bhi morden ho jayne par apko ko bhi Indian will presume it right that u’r a desi jat!! And I always say I’m proud to be one!!

So Induji stop posting this kinda issues as they spreads some anger & contradiction and will frustrate jatland members here!
Please, think about it!

Golden hearted Jats will remain genuine Jats always, forever!!

That’s all for now, stay happy!!!!

Rock on but take care,


Affectionately,
Jitendra
Jaipur
Jat~ distinctive since 1979
 
Yet no example of how USA is corrupting jats...still waiting.

For time being let me state 1 fact from history:
If u cut yourself from the world, u are doomed as a society.

Long back in history, India was center of excellence in education, everyone wanted to trade with India and india had riches no one could imagine. India enjoyed a status very similar to USA today. Ppl from all over the world used to come to India and Indians used to travel all over the world.

...then something happened, we not only stopped ignoring the world, we denied it existence and even made it a crime to cross the ocean...and see how far behind we have fallen today.

The Indian place was taken over by the arabs, they traded all over the world, collected all the knowledge from all over the world including India, giving rise to great arab empires like ottomans...but they fell in the same Indian trap...and see where they are now.

From the arabs, the batton has now passed on to the west and I think the trophy will be again up for grabs within next 100 yrs. But the Q is who will take it now ? Are we prepared to snatch it ?

For Jats to play a prominant role in future, they have to first get out of their home and acknowledge that there is a world outside. Even if u think its bad outside, go out and clean it. If u r afraid of getting dirty, u cannot clean. If u r seeing some dirt on NRI Jats, its just this temporary and superficial dirt. Inside its still pure Jat. And as history has shown, these NRI Jats will bring in more good than bad to the community.

Budhdha aur mahaveer wo nahi hote jo hain agar wo ghar pe hi baithe rehte. Many of our great freedom fighters realised the meaning of being Indian and slavery only after going to london. Rajiv Gandhi brought in fresh idea from his stay abroad. Ajit Singh is an exception...I dont knowwhat went wrong in his case.

Look at India today: Jo kaam pachahs saloon mein nahi hua, wo kaam pichle 5 saal mein H1B visa ne kar dikhaya.

Our Aim should be: jahan jagah mile jao aur jatoon ke jhande ghad ke aao.

Koi to samajhaye ki USA ke Jatoon ne aisa kiya kar diya ki aap khafa ho gaye?
 
ACCORDING to me , problem is not of indian or US. JAT, education set up a difference .
we all know that educated persons who are in METROPOLITAN CITY or in villages also, they all need better and modern things .
WHAT ABOUT ALL OF YOU?
DO YOU THINK THAT WE ARE DOING ALL OF HARD WORKING FOR OUR GOOD LIFE .

NOW TALKING ABOUT UNEDUCATED VILLAGERS WHO ARE WORKING HARD FOR THEIR FOOD.
DO THEY NOT NEED MODERN THINGS .
SO IN LIGHT OF ABOVE THINGS,AND, TALKING ABOUT CHANGES IN JATS WHEN THEY VISIT US , IT IS NATURAL BECAUSE WE KNOW IF SOME ONE WHO TEST SOME BETTER THAN HE OR SHE DOESN'T LIKE ANY THING BAD.
SAME THE CASE HERE, THEY ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE THINGS WHICH ARE BAD IN INDIA , THEY ARE NOT COMPLAINING THAT THE CULTURE AND VALUES OF INDIA ARE NOT GOOD BECAUSE THEY KNOW, THEY ARE INDIAN FIRST AND THAN ANY THING ELSE.
THEY DIDN'T FORGET THEIR CULTURE AND WHAT WE SAY "RITIRIWAZ".

INDU JI , NOW A QUESTION FOR YOU ((for all we can say))
"i think you visited any forgien atleast once in your life , than can i ask you that you think when you came to india ? "

i have so much to say but geting bore , so i think i have to stop........

thank you........

NASHIER LALIT ( SONU )
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ACCORDING to me , problem is not of indian or US. JAT, education set up a difference .
we all know that educated persons who are in METROPOLITAN CITY or in villages also, they all need better and modern things .
WHAT ABOUT ALL OF YOU?
DO YOU THINK THAT WE ARE DOING ALL OF HARD WORKING FOR OUR GOOD LIFE .

NOW TALKING ABOUT UNEDUCATED VILLAGERS WHO ARE WORKING HARD FOR THEIR FOOD.
DO THEY NOT NEED MODERN THINGS .
SO IN LIGHT OF ABOVE THINGS,AND, TALKING ABOUT CHANGES IN JATS WHEN THEY VISIT US , IT IS NATURAL BECAUSE WE KNOW IF SOME ONE WHO TEST SOME BETTER THAN HE OR SHE DOESN'T LIKE ANY THING BAD.
SAME THE CASE HERE, THEY ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE THINGS WHICH ARE BAD IN INDIA , THEY ARE NOT COMPLAINING THAT THE CULTURE AND VALUES OF INDIA ARE NOT GOOD BECAUSE THEY KNOW, THEY ARE INDIAN FIRST AND THAN ANY THING ELSE.
THEY DIDN'T FORGET THEIR CULTURE AND WHAT WE SAY "RITIRIWAZ".

INDU JI , NOW A QUESTION FOR YOU ((for all we can say))
"i think you visited any forgien atleast once in your life , than can i ask you that you think when you came to india ? "

i have so much to say but geting bore , so i think i have to stop........

thank you........

NASHIER LALIT ( SONU )
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Indu,

We do not need "samaj ke thekedaar" kind of mentality here..Everyone is free to do anything he wants to do provided he does not compromises the freedom of others...even if someone is living in a village for all his life..he cannot proclaim to be a better jat than any other jat living abroad. no one...No ONE has a right to pass judgement on others in this regard
 
Indu first of all.....what indian values you are talking about that jats in US have forgotten.....cultuers and values dont change so easily......first of all majority of jats who are in the USA have excellent track records in education and leadership....USA is not something where fugitives migrate....these jats here have shown tremendous strength....

ang by the way....honorable Mr. Nitin Dahiya who started this website is alos currently in USA.. ask him and others if they have lost any values....they will only just ignore you
 
Moreover i beleive in truth and tht dont need further proof of itself. It reveals itself.
 
Dear all,

very interesting discussion and participants have raised questions basically about attitude. Believe me it is all about attitude whether one lives in India,US or any other place. What decides one's attitude is one's philosophy of life. Our core values are hard to change but acquired values like dislike for dust and heat do change with environment. People do get used to some basic creature comfort and when they don't get them it bothers them and ofcourse it is natural to complain.

However some people complain and others don't because of difference in their priorities. One who places his own comfort over and above any social obligations will most likely not put up with discomforts (that may be the reason why some wives don't want to go to village because they odn't get creature comforts there and have little or no spiritual attachment with any one living in the village. Ask the same girl if she would visit her mother in the next village in all likelihood she will ignore all discomforts because she has spiritual connection and attachment with her parents.)
Human body is very adaptable and gets used to environment in which one has to live. Even after living for long periods in comfortable environment one can get used to some heat and dust provided he is motivated enough.

Why some people change their language and priorities after leaving village is not difficult to apprehend. Perhaps they suffer from inferiority complex and try to compensate for it by changing their accent or life style. Who is to say that one person is better than other because he lives there and not here. One rule applies to all human beings that they are at their best behaviour when they are not stressed out or threatened. When a person rises above his littleself he/she can empathise with others and probably try and help those who are dear to him. If this statement is true then logically we can also say that any one who is financially secure himself will probably try and help others who are not as fortunate. Going to US or any other developed country is a step in the direction of financial independence and those who are successful their and have risen above their own needs are better able and willing to help others who need iit most. There are quite a few examples in US e.g. Dr. G.R.Verma, Sh. Ram Sarup Arya and am sure there are quite a few we don't even know about. Those are silent achievers and worthy of following. On the other hand there are those who forget their back ground were probably not much use to any one when they were in India then where is the loss if they have forgotten their motherland. Good luck to them because they are going to need it. Material comforts are no substitute for peace of mind which comes from knowing that you are doing the right thing. Does any one here remember Onasis case. He is also a Jat who was so unfortunate that even after marrying the richest girl peace and happiness eluded him. Perhaps culture has some thing to do with it or may be his philosophy of life or just misfortune. Others can learn from it.
 
Indu, i really don't know what to say here exactly coz i know not what u r and what u wanna prove here. let me tell u that i lived in
Haryana for 18 years and now i am living in NY for several years. i see no negative change in my thoughts,in fact i improved, and i know hundereds of hundereds people here who r typical jat even they live in modern style. and i agree with rajendra about boys vs girls. i hardly find a jat girl who speeks 100% haryanvi and want to live in village. anyway, you should take your words back coz jat is jaat no matter where they live. indu take it easy. be cool and warm.
 
Public US ke baare mein bahut confused hai...what u see in TV or Movies is not USA ppl live in.
It has extreme climates and geography to...worse that India.
There is lot of heat and dust, roads have potholes as big as in India. Govt schools are are as bad as in India. Privates schools are unaffordable by normal public, including highly paid software engineers. U have corrupt politicians and lethargic govt employees in USA.
U have criminals of the worst kind.

The thing that sets Americans apart from rest of the world is "The Attitude".
They complain a lot and keep complaining till the issue is resolved. They do not accept limitations. They work hard to overcome it. They fight hard for things they beleive is right.
(Whats right is debatable, but thats not the issue here).

Generally, what we do? We romanticise poverty...why ? We accept everything as it is. Whay r we afraid of change?

Paise kamane aur aisho aram ki zindagi jine ka haq sirf baniyoon ko kiyoon hai ? Why cant a Jat make money and live in palaces?

Why ppl assume, corruption is the only way to make money or if u touch money, it will corrupt you ?
 
I am 100% agree with Mr. Dagar
I think we should take advantage of this web site, like help about education, profession, to become familiar with other jats, to know their livings style in other countries etc etc....
So please dont argue or compare....always think positive freids....
 
HI INDU,
PLZ. DON'T MIND BUT I ITS MY OPINION THAT WE JATS WHAT U MEANS TO SAY HAVE COME OUT OF THOSE INDIAN JATS ONLY. SO TALKING OF SOME DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THERE MENTALITYA ND OUR MENTALITY WOULD BE QUITE DIFFERENTAS WE ARE APPROACHING LIFE FROM ALL TOGATHER A DIFFERENT ANGEL AND JATS IN INDIA ARE APPROACHING IT FROM ANOTHER ANGEL. THE MAIN THINGS IS SOCIETY, WHICH CHANGES OUR MENTALITY,WE GUYS AND GIRLS LIVE IN ALL TOGATHER DIFFERENT KIND OF SOCIETYBUT SHOULD NEVER FORGET THAT A FEW DAYS BACK WE WERE THE PART OF THE SAME COMMUNITY WE U R TRYING TO FIND A DIFFERENCE WITH. ULTIMATELY WE HAVE COME OUT OF THEM AND HAVE GOT THE SAME CORE VALUES AS THAY HAVE, SO I WOULD POSSIBLYSAY THAT THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM ND US THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE PART WE ARE PLAYING IN DIFFERENT SOCIETIES.
 
Respected Subha Uncle,
Dhok!
Very well said, uncle!
Attitude is everything, its absolute truth.
Therefore I always appreciate this pragmatic ethic-

‘U’LL BE WHAT U’LL TO BE;
UR ATTITUDE ALWAYS DETERMINES UR ALTITUDE!!!’

So dear friends wear ur right attitude & be versatile,
This is ultimate funda to get success, satisfaction & peace of mind!

I really admire following words of wisdom from great legend Bruce Lee, read & learn--
He used to say always that ur attitude should be like water, when some pours it in any kinda container it takes its shape but at the same time it never loses its entity.

So a real Jat should be flexible & adoptable like water which never loses its entity!!

Rock on but take care,

Affectionately,
Jitendra
Jat~ distinctive since 1979.


Shubha Chand Sheorayan (Feb 13, 2004 07:35 a.m.):
Dear all,

very interesting discussion and participants have raised questions basically about attitude. Believe me it is all about attitude whether one lives in India,US or any other place. What decides one's attitude is one's philosophy of life. Our core values are hard to change but acquired values like dislike for dust and heat do change with environment. People do get used to some basic creature comfort and when they don't get them it bothers them and ofcourse it is natural to complain.

However some people complain and others don't because of difference in their priorities. One who places his own comfort over and above any social obligations will most likely not put up with discomforts (that may be the reason why some wives don't want to go to village because they odn't get creature comforts there and have little or no spiritual attachment with any one living in the village. Ask the same girl if she would visit her mother in the next village in all likelihood she will ignore all discomforts because she has spiritual connection and attachment with her parents.)
Human body is very adaptable and gets used to environment in which one has to live. Even after living for long periods in comfortable environment one can get used to some heat and dust provided he is motivated enough.

Why some people change their language and priorities after leaving village is not difficult to apprehend. Perhaps they suffer from inferiority complex and try to compensate for it by changing their accent or life style. Who is to say that one person is better than other because he lives there and not here. One rule applies to all human beings that they are at their best behaviour when they are not stressed out or threatened. When a person rises above his littleself he/she can empathise with others and probably try and help those who are dear to him. If this statement is true then logically we can also say that any one who is financially secure himself will probably try and help others who are not as fortunate. Going to US or any other developed country is a step in the direction of financial independence and those who are successful their and have risen above their own needs are better able and willing to help others who need iit most. There are quite a few examples in US e.g. Dr. G.R.Verma, Sh. Ram Sarup Arya and am sure there are quite a few we don't even know about. Those are silent achievers and worthy of following. On the other hand there are those who forget their back ground were probably not much use to any one when they were in India then where is the loss if they have forgotten their motherland. Good luck to them because they are going to need it. Material comforts are no substitute for peace of mind which comes from knowing that you are doing the right thing. Does any one here remember Onasis case. He is also a Jat who was so unfortunate that even after marrying the richest girl peace and happiness eluded him. Perhaps culture has some thing to do with it or may be his philosophy of life or just misfortune. Others can learn from it.
 
Before you ask a question of this nature, one must provide some criteria for changes. North America has a relatively small population of jats. Most of us came here for higher education and then stayed here to earn a better living. Yes, we did change but the changes were for the better. Most of us remain committed and attached to our extended families back in India. We have strong feelings for our community and a great deal of longing for making positive changes in the community. Most of us have worked to get our jat boys and girls better educated and have helped them to improve life for them and their children. Most of us have stood tall to support better education for girls and their equal rights in society. We have advocated for abolishing dowry. If this what you mean in terms of changes, then this is a complement and our hats off to you.
Regards,
Tilak Verma, Ph.D.
 
look guys and gals , i m a new entrant to this site , but what i know that i m core punjabi jatt and i can't stop posting my message here . stop putting up this conflicting topics that divide a man from a man and not just a jat from a jatt ! . we are all from the same humble india and lets just be indian an just indians .

i m doing my engineering in electronics at thapar university , patiala. So , plz spare me if i m against ur work culture here . i hope a few of u will definitely agree with me here ! i will look forward to ur replies
 
hello deeepak!!!

u plz stop putting such nonsense messages here...tumko kisane kaha ki ham log INDIAN nahi he...mujhe lagata he ki tumko kuchh galat fahami he...ye ek pariwaar he..jaha ham log hamare views share kerte he...n at least for me...it is not possible to accept some body else to start argue here...regarding our pariwaar ok?
jaha tak mera sawal he... me to tumko yaha accept nahi karoonga...yahoo messenger ka char room thode hi he ye ki jab jisaki ichchha hui aa gaya...aut sooroo ho gaya....matlab hamare hi ghar me hame hi challenge ker rahe ho....yaha aur members ka kya vichar he is baare me.. me nahi jaanata...me punjabi jatt ko alag maanata hoon.....


Hemant...



deepak singh lohat (Feb 17, 2004 03:45 a.m.):
look guys and gals , i m a new entrant to this site , but what i know that i m core punjabi jatt and i can't stop posting my message here . stop putting up this conflicting topics that divide a man from a man and not just a jat from a jatt ! . we are all from the same humble india and lets just be indian an just indians .

i m doing my engineering in electronics at thapar university , patiala. So , plz spare me if i m against ur work culture here . i hope a few of u will definitely agree with me here ! i will look forward to ur replies
 
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