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sidchhikara said:
Indians taught others how to count...but chose not to teach their own. They were more interested in caste and regional strife.
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That's reality Sid.... i agree with you ..... :)

but who should be blamed .... people who invented or the people who still don't want to learn from past :confused:

PS : Try to teach a jhuggi wala in some spare time and share that adventure with us here :).... i am all open to listen that.
 
cooljat said:
Bhai, Thread jisne suru kiya usi ke liye hai Greetings in advance !! :p :p
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Kyo baaki sab logo ko advance se koi parhezz hai kya ! :rolleyes:.....

Nways, jisne thread nahi shuru kiya hai unko bhi kai saare colorful greetings :p

Hope u will be having a great time with your love of life Beer :D.....

No silly girl to disturb you two made for each other duo !! ;):p
 
vijay said:
THE VALENTINE DAY !

Two situations :

1. It's March. You have desperate feelings for 'someone' and need to express that. Would you like to wait for Valentine Day ?

2. It's first week of Feburary and next week there would be Valentine Day. Do you think you should select 'someone' to perpose on that special day ?

Just analyze both situations ( by heart or brain .... whatever rules you ) and conclude the significance of Valentine day.

For true feelings every day is Velentine Day and for occasionist every Valentine Day is a chance.


Foreign Impact :

For GOD's sake don't blame them to intrude our culture instead of looking upon our own behaviour. They visit India ..... learn whatever they can, adopt whatever they like here but never forget their roots.
They read Ramayana and Mahabharta here but doesn't compare them with Bible. They learn Yoga but don't ditch the Aerobics. They like Astrology but also watch NASA updates.

Modernisation is not just to follow WEST but it is all about adopting gud things from every religion, culture and nation but not at the cost of our own roots.

People feel proud to be an American, British, French, Russian, German etc etc .... but we Indian feel proud to be a NRI. .........God Bless.
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Well, I would like to disagree somewhat here Vijay :)

I got your point that V Day is not the 'only day' for such sharing of feelings.

But at the same time, if someone has someone special near him or her and the whole world is talking about an occasion like V Day, then as is said, it creeps into mind that love is in the air !! And, two lovers can never ever want to miss any such occasion !

They dont even bother to think about what the people think about it, what Shivsena has to tell about it, what George Bush opines and anything as such !

They simply get flowed and wanna share some cosy moments, might be its just a quiet walk at some good place ! Emotions takes the front seat to be precise and these worldly logics lay resting on the back foot :)

Everyone must have noticed a simple thing, when a person is in office with some seriously important task to cater to, then a call from his wife or girlfreind can even irritate him but that doesnt means that he doesnt loves her. It is because of the simple reason that the 'emotional quotient' of that person at that point of time is lesser active than the 'logical quotient' and thats very practical and feasible and it is equally feasible that the case can be vice versa too.

That same person, when he is relieved of his professional duties might be the most romantic dude for her beloved ! So, its just the presence of that quotient, the timing, the mood, the air around etc is what is relevant at that moment and plays a key role in determining the type of his actions and state of mind !

A person who gets with his wife or girlfreind on a long drive or is very romantic, then it doesnt means that he doesnt cares about his country, he is not a true patriotic, he cant work under sun, he doesnt realises how far he has to move to make his 'third world' country a developed one !

A complete man or for that matter a complete woman, can be the most romantic person, the most patriotic one, the most driven by values, the most sensitive, the most hard working, the most focused man/woman at the same time. Romance is just a small window in the whole town of life. So, if a person is romantic and doesnt wanna miss any chance to enjoy the company of his or her beloved, and doesnt wish to miss some out of the way moments of conjugal bliss, then that can never mean that he desnt care about the juggiwalaas, or he cant work under the sun if the need be! Yes, I also think that all such things must be enjoyed with due dignity, without over spending & undue show off and taking into cognisance societal norms :)

Well, these are my opinions, people can agree to disagree ji :)
 
virendernarwal said:
जैसे कुछ वर्षों पहले भारतीय सुंदरियाँ मिस वर्ड या मिस यूनिवर्स चुनी जाती रही हैं....उनमे सभी सुन्दरता के हिसाब से शायद इस लायक नही थी...लेकिन उसके पीछे एक व्यापारिक सोच काम कर रही है.....चूकें भारतवर्ष एक जनसंख्या प्रधान देश है....अतः कासमैटिक बनाने वाली कम्पनियों के लिये भारत से अच्छी और विशाल मार्किट कही नही है....इसलिये दो-चार को पहना दिया विश्व-सुन्दरी का ताज....और आज उस ताज के बदले में कासमैटिक कम्पनियाँ भारतीय बाजार को दोनों हाथों से लूट रही हैं । कोई तीन महीने मे गौरा बनाने का दावा कर रहे है तो कोई छः महीने में....? अगर ऐसा होता तो आजतक अमीर लोगों की तो भैंस तक भी गौरी-चीटी हो जाती......औरतों की तो बात ही क्या....?

आज का नौजवान.....हर वक्त मौज-मस्ती चाहता है.....वैलन्टाइन्स तो एक बहाना भर है। जैसे पीने वाले को पीने का बहाना चाहिये...ठीक ऐसे ही आज की युवा पीढी को मौज-मस्ती का बहाना चाहिये.......संस्कार गये भाड में......?

वैलन्टाइन्स नै तो हमारी कल्चर है...और न ही हमारे संस्कार हैं।
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virender ji , भैंस तक भी गौरी-चीटी हो जाती yeh line padh ke to kati jee saa saa aa gaya !!! :D:D


On the thing of commercialization of everything i agree with Shweta in the sense that it is one's own choice.

May be todays generation is going crazy after hair gels etc etc , but my father ( even after exposure to all things , ad for that mattter watching TV as well for at least 3-4 hours a day on an average , still uses the mustard oil !!! So it is his will and preference , No oil company has been able to lure him , so to say !:D
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ठीक ऐसे ही आज की युवा पीढी को मौज-मस्ती का बहाना चाहिये.......संस्कार गये भाड में......?

वैलन्टाइन्स नै तो हमारी कल्चर है...और न ही हमारे संस्कार हैं।
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On this above quoted text , i kind of disagree with your view ,
While it is true that nothing exactly similar exists in what you are referring to our culture , but then , is somethng didnt existed and it came , then it just simply cant be wrong ? Or it can ?

Cricket which is like a religion in our country , didnt existed in our culture , but we accepted it and now it has overshadowed every other sport !!

And just because people dont use it properly , does not always undermine the underlying ! :) Again it does claw back to the will power of the user on how to use it.

A crocin is such a fantastic thing , u r feeling a lil feverish , have one and get back to normal , but for a fanatic ( for an suicide attempter , it is such a bad thing ) !

We must be open to ideas , to take it , or not to , how to use it , should be left to one's own discretion.

Rejecting things outright will reduce our would be "growth" as a person.
 
mukeshkumar007 said:
I LOVE YOU..kya yeh 3 letters oh sorry dhai akshar kehne se hi aur do char costly cards idhar udar kar dene se hi love ka measurement hota hai kya.. iska matlab to apne dada pardada to bechare bina love kare hi reh gaye…

Today every feeling or relation is being associated with materialistic show off… pehle jab diwali aur holi hoti thi to log pyar se ek dusre ke ghar ja ke chawal kha ke aur kushiya mana lete the aur sach batawo to itna apna pan lagta tha ki jaise sare ek hi ghar ke hoo….

Lakin aaj to agar kisi ke ghar ja rehe ho to sath maie gift le ke jana jaruri hai nai to bol denge ki formality karne aya hai.. kisi ko card dekar wish nai kara to bi apko unsocial declare kar diya jayega… no matter how much do you love or how much do you care for someone if you are not showing it then it may be assumed that you don’t love…

Lakin agar ache se gift de diye aur do char cards bejdiye to samne wale kin ajar maie aap bhot caring ho chahe piche se hazar galiya dete hoo
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I agree mukesh , aajkal ki tendency yahi haii , valentine to kya cheej hai , diwali etc pe bhi yahi hone laga hai ,a nd as someone pointed out , lene ka dena type cullture ho gya hai !!

just to remind , that cadbury's( ya nestle :confused:ya pata na kaun si :D ) ad , of a gift just changing hands !!!;)


but still i will leave it to the person to exercise his/her choice !! ITs not in the constitution of valentine to give cards ,

bina card ke valentine manao to kuch baat !!!


Being different is good ( not always ;) ) !!!!!
 
dkumars said:
ye sab bakawaas hai mere liye ... holi diwaali raksha bandhan valentines day aur saare tyohaar ya fir sabhi achha plateform provide karteinhai masti aur fun ke liye ... mukesh and others jo yaha criticize kar rahe hai ki kya ye hi ek din hotahai pyaar karne ka ... then tell me ki Raksha Bandhan hi ek din hota hai jaha par bhai behen ko bole ki teri raksha karunga ... agar woh din nahi hota toh salla behen jaaye bhaad mein ... mujhe kuch lena dena nahi hai ... aisa kya ??? Bakwaas hai ye sab ... agar meri behen ne mujhe raakhi nahi baandi toh mei uski help nahi karunga... bullshit ... kyu Raksha bandhan aur aise hi tyohaar hai na barbaad.... diwaali ke aap paas ek do tyohaar aata hai ... Karwachothh, Ahoyi ... Bakwaas valentine se bada bakwaas... khana mat khaao toh husband achaa rahega ... ahoyi ka vrat nahi rakha toh maa ka pachho se vaatsalya kam ho jaayega kya ??? haaa ffaltu ke dhong ... agar Valentine dhong hai toh isse bhi kehne ki himmat rakho ... mei kissi ki himaayat nahi le raha Valentine's day ho ya koi Ghonchu's day ... par jab kuch bol rahe ho toh sabko equal tolo dost ... apne ko achha dossre ko bakwaas bolna khudh mein ek bakwaas hai ....

AUr badi baat ... jaise kissi ne upar likha hai ki jiske paas kuch hota hai celebrate karne ka toh unke liye meaning hai ... jo saale lukhe baithe hai unko toh ye barbaad din lagta hai ... hehe... waise mei bhi lukha hoon :p

Gifts aur paise ki baat hai ... toh diwaali par sabse jyada lights, decoration , mithai ki barbaadi hoti hai... bomb patake mein barbaadi ... pollution ... haaaaaaaakkkk ... band karo iss drame ko... abse ghar par koi aaye gift le kar toh kaan ke neeche mast tadaak se dena aur bolna kyu ye useless gift laaye ho ... bhaag hum valentine aur diwaali nahi manatein :p

baaki agli post mein .....
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he he he he he :D


kati andy post !! bole to compliment doosre thread mein dene ki bajaaye haade hi de doon : angry young man !!!!
:):D



On a serious note , his post is absolutely right !!!

Just criticizing valentine's day( for gifts , cards , faaltu etc .... while forgetting the similar traditions in our culture ) is similar to criticising other religions doing murtipuja !!!

Its like being secular but disliking every other religion.
Crap to me !!!!!

Understand the essence , to embrace is one;s own choice , but there is no harm in a acknowledgement ! :)
 
shwetadhaka said:
Well, I would like to disagree somewhat here Vijay :)

I got your point that V Day is not the 'only day' for such sharing of feelings.

But at the same time, if someone has someone special near him or her and the whole world is talking about an occasion like V Day, then as is said, it creeps into mind that love is in the air !! And, two lovers can never ever want to miss any such occasion !

They dont even bother to think about what the people think about it, what Shivsena has to tell about it, what George Bush opines and anything as such !

They simply get flowed and wanna share some cosy moments, might be its just a quiet walk at some good place ! Emotions takes the front seat to be precise and these worldly logics lay resting on the back foot :)

Everyone must have noticed a simple thing, when a person is in office with some seriously important task to cater to, then a call from his wife or girlfreind can even irritate him but that doesnt means that he doesnt loves her. It is because of the simple reason that the 'emotional quotient' of that person at that point of time is lesser active than the 'logical quotient' and thats very practical and feasible and it is equally feasible that the case can be vice versa too.

That same person, when he is relieved of his professional duties might be the most romantic dude for her beloved ! So, its just the presence of that quotient, the timing, the mood, the air around etc is what is relevant at that moment and plays a key role in determining the type of his actions and state of mind !

A person who gets with his wife or girlfreind on a long drive or is very romantic, then it doesnt means that he doesnt cares about his country, he is not a true patriotic, he cant work under sun, he doesnt realises how far he has to move to make his 'third world' country a developed one !

A complete man or for that matter a complete woman, can be the most romantic person, the most patriotic one, the most driven by values, the most sensitive, the most hard working, the most focused man/woman at the same time. Romance is just a small window in the whole town of life. So, if a person is romantic and doesnt wanna miss any chance to enjoy the company of his or her beloved, and doesnt wish to miss some out of the way moments of conjugal bliss, then that can never mean that he desnt care about the juggiwalaas, or he cant work under the sun if the need be! Yes, I also think that all such things must be enjoyed with due dignity, without over spending & undue show off and taking into cognisance societal norms :)

Well, these are my opinions, people can agree to disagree ji :)
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I guess the missing point in the discussion is a deep understanding of the points of the counter party.

the people in favour of such a thing are driving home the posiitivities of the such a occasion and their underlying sample is that portion of the society which is cultured , categorised as "good" ! :)
The people against are focussing on the reckless youth and those who are in n e case "nonsese" creators !!!

While the issue of unnecessary proposals is important but we must remember that valentine day does not give an outright license to propose.
For century of proposals , it is again the "nonsensical" nature of the person that is responsible !

The "sensible" self backed by all the "for"'s of the discussion would still make a maximum of one proposal on that day.
And "nonsensical" seld thrashed by "against"'s of the discussion would in n e case do that ( may be in less quantity ) on any given day.

Attaching emotions to this is not the way to go. :)

And we must focus on the problem ( if at all it exists ) , not at the leveraged version of the problem :)
 
poonam said:
I protest!!!! This is wrong!

And talking of which the comparison itself is fallacious. You are comparing two different class of nations, first world with us, the third world nation.
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I too understand the vast gap between the third world and the first that you are referring to , but that may be more "economical" rather than "emotional".

When it comes to human behaviour and feelings and emotions , i would still go with Vijay's argument of humans beings as equals.


While you may try to argue against the case of " emotions" versus the " survival complex" of the poor self of the third world , the people in first world , in ne case are not better emotionally nurtured. ( I believe this is in itself a big topic to be debated upon ).


Comparing the feeling of pride and relatedness to one's country is still comparing apples to apples ( irrespective of 1st or 3rd world ).


PS : I had to make interpretations of your post and that includes Vijay's next post. My interpretations of what you intended to say might be wrong , If thats the case , please expain and elaborate your point and disregard my this point. Thanks ! :)
 
anilsinghd said:
but my father ( even after exposure to all things , ad for that mattter watching TV as well for at least 3-4 hours a day on an average , still uses the mustard oil !!! So it is his will and preference , No oil company has been able to lure him , so to say !:D
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Bhai Anil aapke father mein aur mujhme ek cheej common hai ... mein bhi ye saare add dekhta hoon par lagata hoon woh hi sarso ka tail;)
 
Continuing with Poonam an dVijay's discussion , I would like to make a point ,

in all the freedom struggles , its the poor masses that have been the underlying force to compel imperialist powers to leave the country ( at least that is what i believe ) , not the few " developed , modern , educated " people who were leaders ! They surely had a role to play but ultimately it was the rural , under nourished , under developed core of the country which was instrumental in driving out the foreign powers !


And that goes well in proving their relatedness and pride content for the nation ! :)
 
Valentine's Day!

There is no harm to flow with the wind(Western Culture) but one should be careful about one's idendity which should not be lost in the process.


Yoginder Gulia
Idendity is the most important tool to boost self esteem.
 
anilsinghd said:
Continuing with Poonam an dVijay's discussion , I would like to make a point ,

in all the freedom struggles , its the poor masses that have been the underlying force to compel imperialist powers to leave the country ( at least that is what i believe ) , not the few " developed , modern , educated " people who were leaders ! They surely had a role to play but ultimately it was the rural , under nourished , under developed core of the country which was instrumental in driving out the foreign powers !
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Right Anil,

That was the masses who contributed in the freedom struggle more than the Nehru ( Jinke kapde London se press hokar aate the ) type people but they don't had any acedemic skills and sacrificed their lives without acquring any page in History books.

Personal Experience : My grandpa were freedom fighter and British Force was after him in 1943 ....... He and Kumbha Ram Arya ( Former Home minister of Rajasthan ) were running away from British Soldiers. They asked some resourceful person ( Taranagar Tehsil : Churu district : Rajasthan ) to provide shelter for one night .... but he refused ( Later that person became the home minister of Rajasthan and got a certificate of being a freedom fighter ) ................. GOD BLESS INDIA :rolleyes:.

Lets celebrate the fabricated Freedom fighters and forget about the unknown ones who sacrificed their lives for the country without having a name in History books.
 
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anilsinghd said:
Continuing with Poonam an dVijay's discussion , I would like to make a point ,

in all the freedom struggles , its the poor masses that have been the underlying force to compel imperialist powers to leave the country ( at least that is what i believe ) , not the few " developed , modern , educated " people who were leaders ! They surely had a role to play but ultimately it was the rural , under nourished , under developed core of the country which was instrumental in driving out the foreign powers !


And that goes well in proving their relatedness and pride content for the nation ! :)
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I am first to second your thoughts here ! :) It is always the poor masses which play the lead role in actual action !
 
dkumars said:
Aur manna Lo valentine's day... dekhye na aashiq kitte ke :p ......... Kya matlab? :rolleyes:

Ibb karra lo desh nei aazad fer tei :D:p:rolleyes:
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Nwayz...... pata na ke ke karna padega........ pehllya to temperature 48 karke aau hun ;)....... fer khetaa me kaam kar ke dekhu maadaa sa... :o.......... fer saare ad dekhungi :p aur sarso ka tail bhi lagaa ke dekhna padega...... :D.......... fer desh aazad karwaa aau aur naam dalwaa dun desh bhakti ke register me ......... fer manne yaad bacha ki yo Valentine day bhi kuch hove hai to fer na puchu kaddei ki yo manaana chahiye akk naa !........ :o
 
shwetadhaka said:
Nwayz...... pata na ke ke karna padega........ pehllya to temperature 48 karke aau hun ;)....... fer khetaa me kaam kar ke dekhu maadaa sa... :o.......... fer saare ad dekhungi :p aur sarso ka tail bhi lagaa ke dekhna padega...... :D.......... fer desh aazad karwaa aau aur naam dalwaa dun desh bhakti ke register me ....:o
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:D:D:D ib gusse maie ake..Bharat mata ki jai mat na bolne lag jaiyoo.. :D
 
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