We should decrease population or increase??

[sampuran]

Population

Vinod Bhai thanks a lot for putting things in correct perspective. Most weel intentioned Indians are ignorant of the works of RSS. Having not had close interaction, and fed by the secularist media, they tend to put it in same league as so many blatantly anti-national organisations. ... I wonder why has somebody not mentioned it along with Al-Queda, like the RAND institute of USA !

In 1930s Mahatma Gandhi happened to attend one of RSS' sessions. He asked a Swayamsevak what was his caste. The individual told him the answer. Then Gandhiji asked him the caste of his neighbour.The Sevak siasaid he did not know. Such things were not even talked about , nor are they today. They respect the individual not his social status.

For those ignorant of mechanisations of muslim leadership, pl visit
www.vinnomot.com
or just read how Hindu girls in Pakistan are abducted on a daily basis and forcibly married to muslims, with the full knowledge and support of the government machinary. Whenever such a incident happens, the radicals, maulvis and political party activists come out on the streets and take out a procession indicating triumph over the 'kafirs'.
Some moderate muslims may criticise such acts, for most everything is fair as long as victim is a non-muslim.

How many such incident can we find in India or any other non-muslim country ?

Lets give it to Sh Shurdshan that he has some basis for talking like that.

 

[nd-chora]

Read the context of this thread carefully

Yes media play a big role in forming public opinion because its the oroginal source of getting information for public, also leaders play a big part in this like your Sudarshan. Is it compulsory that if some one write a thread then he must have to give source link ??? If someone have doubt about that in that case he is free to ask me as u ask me. Plz refer to the editorial page of dainik bhasker dated 22nd november,2005 and i think Bhasker is one of the best selling newspaper in MP. Sorry i cant give you affidavite for this this.
If you met Sudarshan personally it does not mean that he is super intellectual personality and whatever he like he can deliver it to divert the innocent public mind. My motive of this thread was " WE SHOULD DECREASE OR INCREASE POPULATION" . Now i think your like person changed that context from its origin. Now u r discussing Hindu is right or Muslim ? or RSS is super cadre or Al-quada ?
Lets come on RSS as u are a RSS cadet i think so But for how long u have been there ? For ur kind information i want to tell you that i was the joint-secretary of RSS of Jalandher branch from 1993 to 1997 and after that i was secretary of Roorkee branch fror one year in 1999 and did a lots of work for RSS my dear. But now i m not an active member after coming out from india. But wrong is wrong i belive in this philosophy. So pls dont faith in any ideology by close head, open your mind, think- if it comes right as per ur head also ,then follow otherwise you have right to disoblige it. ( if u want i can tell u in more details about pros and cons of RSS).

I AM INDIAN FIRST THEN HINDU OR JAT OR ANY OTHER.

(Read the context of my original thread plz dont divert it from its origin)

Brotherly friend,
Davender

This is classical example of how media plays vital instrument in forming public opinions. Somebody starts a thread with a post without giving links and 20 more people jump in with 'yes-yes' slogan without caring to go deep into matter. Did anybody ask Dangi to give source of news? That shows indifference of public and acceptance of media 'as-it-is'. Dangi, could you give any proof that MP state changed its law based on Sudarshanji's statement??

I am strongly against population growth and I agree with all of you regarding population control. The remark made of Sudarshanji must have been in taken out of context... "Sudarshan's statement has been torn out of context. He only wanted that the population control measures be made applicable to all without any discrimination", RSS spokesman Ram Madhav said. http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1550132,0008.htm

http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/nov10/n9.asp

I have personally met Sudarshanji and a group of us talked for 3 hours. He talks a lot. I mean A LOT. And in surge of emotions he sometimes says "unwise" things, which are not politically correct. Thats why RSS appointed someone else as media person who is more suave in media. Everybody knows media is anti-RSS. He showed us original copy of interview regarding his views about Advani's statements and actual news report. News reports had collection of unrelated sentences combined whose meaning got changed. And reporter said it was done to make interview concise. So I am careful of what media feeds me becuz I know media survives on controversy.

But that doesn't affect strength of RSS (which grows mainly thru personal contacts) because those who are involved know what they are doing and don't give a damn to media. One hindu said something sensitive on population and 20 hindus jumped in to criticize him, these 20 people should empart their wisdom to thousands of those muslims who "say and DO" such things by producing dozens. That will be more effective check of population growth.

Navin, I would think twice before naming Maoist, Naxalist and RSS in same sentence. The role RSS has is a dirty but important job. Its not surprising that it's been blamed in 'leftist' or secular media. And sophisticated, educated and "secular" people like us hesitate to deal with dirty job.

BTW Mukesh, keeping in mind your age I'm giving you allowance for immaturity. Sudarshanji is unmarried and is of your grandfather's age. You should think before making any stupid remarks about a respectable person. He devoted his life for the cause he believes in.

Mukesh: "If we (Hindu) have not been able to bring Muslim together in building the Nation prosperous than I think it is our fault... "
That's typical example of STOCKHOLM SYNDROME. You have really great heart that you learned to care about your muslim brothers. You know how much preference they are given in name of minority? Reservation in AP is latest example. I won't say more on that.

-Vinod

 

[devdahiya]

I Am A Jat First Then Any Thing Else

Yes media play a big role in forming public opinion because its the oroginal source of getting information for public, also leaders play a big part in this like your Sudarshan. Is it compulsory that if some one write a thread then he must have to give source link ??? If someone have doubt about that in that case he is free to ask me as u ask me. Plz refer to the editorial page of dainik bhasker dated 22nd november,2005 and i think Bhasker is one of the best selling newspaper in MP. Sorry i cant give you affidavite for this this.
If you met Sudarshan personally it does not mean that he is super intellectual personality and whatever he like he can deliver it to divert the innocent public mind. My motive of this thread was " WE SHOULD DECREASE OR INCREASE POPULATION" . Now i think your like person changed that context from its origin. Now u r discussing Hindu is right or Muslim ? or RSS is super cadre or Al-quada ?
Lets come on RSS as u are a RSS cadet i think so But for how long u have been there ? For ur kind information i want to tell you that i was the joint-secretary of RSS of Jalandher branch from 1993 to 1997 and after that i was secretary of Roorkee branch fror one year in 1999 and did a lots of work for RSS my dear. But now i m not an active member after coming out from india. But wrong is wrong i belive in this philosophy. So pls dont faith in any ideology by close head, open your mind, think- if it comes right as per ur head also ,then follow otherwise you have right to disoblige it. ( if u want i can tell u in more details about pros and cons of RSS).

I AM INDIAN FIRST THEN HINDU OR JAT OR ANY OTHER.

(Read the context of my original thread plz dont divert it from its origin)

Brotherly friend,
Davender

BHAI RISTEDAR MEI TE PEHLYAN JAT SUUN ARR PHER KUCHH AUR.........ha...ha...ha. GUSSA MATT HUYA KAR BHAI.

 

[jitender_singh]

islamic terror

Hi,

while browsing www.vinnomot.com , I came up with this article.

Islam Cannot Bring Peace and Guidance to Humankind

By Imran Hossain
24/11/2005​

Islam is based on Quran and Sunnah (practices of Mohamed). About 1.2-billion people believe in Islam and it is known to its followers Muslims in many ways, such as by birth, conversion, and study. Most Muslims adopt Islam due to their birth to Muslim parents. Among all these Muslims, most of them are familiar with Islam by faith and little practices. However, Islam is not limited with prayers, hajj, jakat, and fast only. Islam is supposed to be the example of Mohamed (the founder) and what Quran emphasises, and all Muslims are required to obey.
In reality, Islam is far away from the ideal of a religion when Quran and Hadis (Sunnah) are thoroughly read. The majority Muslims are not even near Islam and it is not honestly known to them. Imams, Mullahs, or such people who spend their lives on Islam represent the picture of Islam. A literal study in Islam reveals Islam as follows.
1) Mohamed does not qualify as a good person,
2) Quran is a confusing book and its teaching creates hate and fight and takes away the rights of women and non-Muslims,
3) Islam fails to provide appropriate guidance for entire mankind, and
4) More importantly, a) Islam wants to dominate the whole word b) it wants to impose its own law to every citizen.
1) The founder of Islam: The very important factor of Islam is Mohamed. In order to know a religion, it is mandatory to know the originator very well, whether he represents the messages of God. While paying full attention to the biography of Mohamed, unfortunately he is far from a holy being. He waged wars against non-Muslims, killed, and forced them to embrace his religion. He assassinated his enemies. He captured and later raped women like Safia and Jawaraiha. He was sexually attracted to a child. He looted commodities of civilians and made halal for his team (8:69, 48:20) and many more.
Now some questions arise whether this man sent by God or not and humankind choose his religion or not.
Even if people do not care of what Mohamed did in the past, Islam can still be acceptable. But a few more questions to ponder again. Quran says he is a perfect example to follow and a mercy for entire humankind. So Mohamed’s examples are an integral part of Islam. During his prophecy, he looted and wage wars against infidels for Islam; he punished the thieves by cutting their hands and feet; he killed people who spoke against his brand religion; he raped and married a child of 9 years old. For human beings, none of these examples is possible to follow. If anyone desires to copy his practices completely, he will definitely end up his life living in jail.
2) Holy Book Quran: Muslims believe in Quran by heart, but it is totally a confusing book. It has no chapter, no chronology. This book is loaded with mistakes in grammar, math, logics, and science. Monotheistic God of Islam is serving himself as “We” and “Us”. Without the history context of every Sura, this book cannot be understood. Anyways, it is acceptable but important to know the contents of Quran.
Quran grants different rights to women and minorities. Women cannot enjoy full rights as men. Women do not have the freedom to change husbands while men do deliberately. This book lowers the rights of minorities and asks to pay penalty taxes unless they submit into Islam. Both Quran and Hadis stress to kill anyone who leaves Islam or proselytise. Quran asks Muslims to brutally kill anyone who speaks against or wants to change Islam. Quran asks married Muslim men to have sex with slaves (23:01 – 06, 33:50, 33:52).
Quran says to avoid Jews, Christians, and other non-Muslim who can never be brothers of Muslims (5:51, 3:28).Quran teaches to hate even to own brothers and fathers if they do not believe in Islam ( 3:28, 9:23). It is an obstacle of humanity. A Muslim is not religiously allowed to associate with others just because they do not believe in Islam.
3) Missing Information: Through a study in Islamic sources, there is no special good stuff in Islam. Yes, there is some good, but this does not say better than other books. Islam is claimed to be the true religion but fails to provide with appropriate guidelines that entire humankind needs.
Islam explains the feature of males and females but badly fails to describe about hermaphrodites. They are also part of human beings. A true religion must care for hermaphrodites for this life and afterlife.
Based on the rotation of the sun and moon, Islam schedules prayers, fast, and so on. This was the idea of ancient people that reflects in many religions and cultures. In Islam, praying and fasting time is timed when the sun and moon move their courses. However, it is unknown to people how they in the northern part of the world would perform prayers and observe fasting. Over there, the length of day and night is six months long each, and many countries have very longer daylight and darkness. In this case, performing prayers and observing fast are really confusing. Islam does not provide this information and Muslims solely need to use their intelligence to figure out, which implies they are smarter than Islam.
Islam does not say any story about religions, people and culture of Eastern Asia, Australia, Americas and many parts of the world. A religion that is true must include the fact of every part of the world. It is very ambiguous to think how people in those places would be able to practise Islam and why they are supposed to go to hell without knowing Islam. It is a solid piece of absurdity that God ignores the other human beings but will put them in hell for eternity.
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Regards
Jitender

 

[jitender_singh]

cont...

4) The Goal of Islam: People might forget the past of Islam and be able to practise it personally. But it is very, very important to the world that Islam wants to topple the will of people, democracy and culture, and rule the world. Dominating the world with Sharia is an emphasised part of Islam.
Mohamed used religious sentiment to make the people believe in the doctrine of his religion and used them to take over the land of Jews, Christians, and Pagans. He did not stop here. He made a religious obligatory for Muslims to fight for Islam and impose Islamic law all over the world.
Stealing is a crime, but people do not want to cut the hand of a thief. Offence is always bad, but people do not want to flog the guilty. Adultery is a crime, but a sensible human will never stone the guilty to death. Drinking is not good for health, but cultured people never want to flog the drinker. The world wants to go by its own rules. It does not need to adopt the 7th century Bedouin tradition.
Muslim Immigrants to the West must destroy the welcoming and loving culture of their host countries and impose Islamic law in the lands, if they truly go by Quran and Hadis. Islam’s ultimate goal is to convert the developed world including all other non-Muslim countries to Islamic paradises like Saudi Arab, Iran, or Talibani Afghanistan.
People always want to live with their own freedom and expect others to enjoy it. But Islam will take it away as soon as it becomes powerful. Islam will impose its own policy that will force people to obey Islamic tyranny.
All four factors mentioned above prove that Islam meaningfully loses concepts of an ideal religious conviction. People must make a choice between reality and falsehood. Islam is completely different faith that cannot stand near the border of humanism, truth, and tolerance. In general, Islam has various parts that appear when it is scrutinised thoroughly.
Here are some core examples of Islam:

1. <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">Islam divides human beings into Muslims and Kafirs, which makes Muslims underestimate Kaffirs. <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">Islam will put non-Muslims in hell for eternity. <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">Islamic punishments and justice are brutal and inhuman (stoning, flogging, beheading). <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">Islam is alien to modern culture and democracy. <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">Islam keeps Muslims busy in it therefore progression in modernity is fuzzy among them. <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">Islam’s founder was not a good person. <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">Islam has its own law, and it wants to take over the world and impose its rules. <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">Islam takes away the rights of women and non-Muslims. <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">Islam blocks the freedom and free speech. <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">Islam can make Muslims as wild as hyenas while taking revenge. <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">Islam encourages fighting and war. <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">Islam kills Murtads (Islam leavers) and critics. <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">Islam authorises polygamy for men. <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">Islam does not allow women to divorce. <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">Islam produces terrorists / jihadists / muftis (fighters of Islam). <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">Islam forces Muslims to pray and fast. <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">Islam forces women to wear borkhas (veils).
2. Islam encourages provoking pre-existence fight (that happened 1,400 years ago) against Jews and Christians, it means this faction of hate is never-ending.

In reality, Islam has produced the following scenarios over the last 1,400 years.

1. <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">For Islam, 11 September (9/11) has occurred. <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">For Islam, Islamic world has no good invention. <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">For Islam, some or many Muslims talk nonsense and insult others. <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">For Islam, world security is now under a threat. <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">For Islam, Muslims are now becoming suspicious to the West. <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">For Islam, People in Palestine, Kashmir etc cannot get along with others. <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">For Islam, non-Muslims cannot bring their holy books in Saudi and cannot travel to Mecca and Medina. <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">For Islam, Muslims are lying too much nowadays creating websites and publishing books. <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">For Islam, many innocent people lost their body parts when charged as robbers or thieves but later found no guilty. <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">For Islam, oil-rich countries raise funds for expansion, which breeds more extremism and terrorism. <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">For Islam, a faithful Muslim can kill another human being. <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">For Islam, Muslims become part of Umma and forget his nationality. <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">For Islam, the world has much warfare. <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">For Islam, hundreds of bombs are exploding and killing innocent people including Muslims in restaurants, hotels, buses, trains, beaches, and many places. <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">For Islam, Muslims have conflicts with western/modern culture (e.g. riots in France, Britain, etc). <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">For Islam, every media is loaded with Islamic madness news. <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">For Islam, some Muslims are still fighting non-Muslims in many Muslim and non-Muslim countries. <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">For Islam, thousands of people had to give their lives for religious conflicts. <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">For Islam, honour killing is frequent to Muslims families.
2. For Islam, many sects like Shia and Ahmedia have grown, and Sunnis and the sects have been fighting since the birth of sects, which caused huge devastations and millions of lives.

These days, Islam has been a centre point of discussion everywhere in the world. People are wondering what actually Islam is. Islam is very complicated, which has various impacts on every walk of life. If there is anything that creates similar shapes, that must be discussed along with Islam. Lie cannot defeat the truth. The truth is that Islam is not a right choice for human beings. The more it is practised, the more fascism, extremism, and terrorism increase.
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[vinodks]

Dangi,

I think every Indian would have same answer for the question whether we should increase or decrease population. So my post wasn't against the population issue but the following posts that started tarnishing the image of RSS without caring to go deep into it.

No its not compulsory to give link in a post. But I am sure half of people who posted after your post didn't read the main news themselves, they just took for granted whatever was there.

I don't doubt the report. Sudarshanji actually must have said that 'but in different context. Its mostly likely to be in joking sense or in surge of emotion or may be just to make some other point.' But I don't vouch for that. I am NOT in RSS cadre. I have been involved in many groups to see different perspectives, to have an open mind as you said.

I didn't change the topic. I HAD to post after reading irresponsible comments by other people.

Good to know that you were also in 'shakha' at some time. Wrong is wrong. Ofcourse. But still the question remains, whats wrong? Anyway, lets not discuss it here.

I think most of Hindus in India agree that- we are Indian first and then Hindu. Its muslims who have this attitude of Muslim first and then Indian. Anyway, lets not deviate from population issue.

-Vinod

Yes media play a big role in forming public opinion because its the oroginal source of getting information for public, also leaders play a big part in this like your Sudarshan. Is it compulsory that if some one write a thread then he must have to give source link ??? If someone have doubt about that in that case he is free to ask me as u ask me. Plz refer to the editorial page of dainik bhasker dated 22nd november,2005 and i think Bhasker is one of the best selling newspaper in MP. Sorry i cant give you affidavite for this this.
If you met Sudarshan personally it does not mean that he is super intellectual personality and whatever he like he can deliver it to divert the innocent public mind. My motive of this thread was " WE SHOULD DECREASE OR INCREASE POPULATION" . Now i think your like person changed that context from its origin. Now u r discussing Hindu is right or Muslim ? or RSS is super cadre or Al-quada ?
Lets come on RSS as u are a RSS cadet i think so But for how long u have been there ? For ur kind information i want to tell you that i was the joint-secretary of RSS of Jalandher branch from 1993 to 1997 and after that i was secretary of Roorkee branch fror one year in 1999 and did a lots of work for RSS my dear. But now i m not an active member after coming out from india. But wrong is wrong i belive in this philosophy. So pls dont faith in any ideology by close head, open your mind, think- if it comes right as per ur head also ,then follow otherwise you have right to disoblige it. ( if u want i can tell u in more details about pros and cons of RSS).

I AM INDIAN FIRST THEN HINDU OR JAT OR ANY OTHER.

(Read the context of my original thread plz dont divert it from its origin)

Brotherly friend,
Davender

 

[rkumar]

My personal answer would be;

" Have as many kids as you can, provided you have the capablity to make each one of them very responsible and competent citizen". If you can not, don't even venture to have one. Even one billion people are less if they are competent and even one million are too many if they are maoists and terrorists and smuglers..

RK^2

 

[captmanjeet]

well said

My personal answer would be;

" Have as many kids as you can, provided you have the capablity to make each one of them very responsible and competent citizen". If you can not, don't even venture to have one. Even one billion people are less if they are competent and even one million are too many if they are maoists and terrorists and smuglers..

RK^2

rajender ji
very well said!actually u have hit the nail.population is the problem which is of the india as a whole and when we discuss the population it should be without the classification of any elegion or caste.
manjeet

 

[rkumar]

rajender ji
very well said!actually u have hit the nail.population is the problem which is of the india as a whole and when we discuss the population it should be without the classification of any elegion or caste.
manjeet

Capt. Sahab,

Its India and China's young population which is leading the real growth against greying Europe and Japan. Population is an asset provided we understand how to develop its potential. Having a look at this latest link will help members to understand the role of baby boom ;

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1308753.cms

RK^2

 

[dahiyarules]

I dont understand what is "too much population." Everyone should have enough children that they can sustain. If they cannot sustain even one child, they do not deserve to have any children. Thats how I look at it. And finally, it's not the numbers, it is the brains that count. How efficiently can you develop your human resources? Look at the Jews. Such a minority community, but they run the entire world. Many people hate them for it. I love them for it.

 

[arunshamli]

My personal answer would be;

" Have as many kids as you can, provided you have the capablity to make each one of them very responsible and competent citizen". If you can not, don't even venture to have one. Even one billion people are less if they are competent and even one million are too many if they are maoists and terrorists and smuglers..

RK^2

bilkul sahi bat....aur waise bhee India's main problem is not the population...it is the corruption...khali population kam hone se kuch nahi hone wala hai

 

[raj2rif]

I have Different Views

Capt. Sahab,

Its India and China's young population which is leading the real growth against greying Europe and Japan. Population is an asset provided we understand how to develop its potential. Having a look at this latest link will help members to understand the role of baby boom ;

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1308753.cms

RK^2

Dear Rajendra Ji,

While what Mr. Ambani has said may be right in the context of 60s or even 80's, that does not mean it is going to be right every time. He is looking at it purely as a businessman, as more people will give bigger market.

The question I have in mind, is that this earth can only support a definite number of population. We as a Nation should settle down on a specific number that our natural resources can support. While more population does give to the business owners a bigger market and a cheaper labor, it really does not improve the living conditions of any society.

We should be able to give two quaity meals to every one, probably create a job for every one. Right now we are finding difficult to provide clean drinking water leave aside any thing else. Food, Shelter, Cloths, Medicin and Education are some of the basic needs of a human being in a developed society. With population out of our control, and resources being what they are, we do need to draw a balance some where. We are not discussing here an individual family, we are talking about society and the nation.

Obviously, if we don't have basics available, it will be difficult to develop bright brains and we might end up developing those million terrorist that you are talking about.

 

[rkumar]

Dear Rajendra Ji,

While what Mr. Ambani has said may be right in the context of 60s or even 80's, that does not mean it is going to be right every time. He is looking at it purely as a businessman, as more people will give bigger market.

The question I have in mind, is that this earth can only support a definite number of population. We as a Nation should settle down on a specific number that our natural resources can support. While more population does give to the business owners a bigger market and a cheaper labor, it really does not improve the living conditions of any society.

We should be able to give two quaity meals to every one, probably create a job for every one. Right now we are finding difficult to provide clean drinking water leave aside any thing else. Food, Shelter, Cloths, Medicin and Education are some of the basic needs of a human being in a developed society. With population out of our control, and resources being what they are, we do need to draw a balance some where. We are not discussing here an individual family, we are talking about society and the nation.

Obviously, if we don't have basics available, it will be difficult to develop bright brains and we might end up developing those million terrorist that you are talking about.

Tavathia Sahab,

There has been no time in human history when there were no problems. There was food and Milk problem during Mahabharat period also when technology was so evolved. Sudama, the best friend of Krishna could not afford a square of meal and Krishna used to seal makhan. Drona Charya head to leave home as he could not afford to give a glass of milk to his only son. This was not because of population.

Now coming to present time. Problem of food and water are not because of availabilty, but because of mismanagement. Amount of food wasted or overeaten is more than enough to feed 1/4 of world population. Misuse of clothing is more than enough even to drap our mountains. I don't think population has anything to do with all this. I would blame wrong priorities as the main issue.

Ultimate resource are human being and not the technology. Not having enough for the existing population is not the justification enough for not having more kids. As mentioned above, we always had this problem and will always have it.

Rajendra

 

[nd-chora]

Natural resources should be considered

Dear Rajendra Ji,

While what Mr. Ambani has said may be right in the context of 60s or even 80's, that does not mean it is going to be right every time. He is looking at it purely as a businessman, as more people will give bigger market.

The question I have in mind, is that this earth can only support a definite number of population. We as a Nation should settle down on a specific number that our natural resources can support. While more population does give to the business owners a bigger market and a cheaper labor, it really does not improve the living conditions of any society.

We should be able to give two quaity meals to every one, probably create a job for every one. Right now we are finding difficult to provide clean drinking water leave aside any thing else. Food, Shelter, Cloths, Medicin and Education are some of the basic needs of a human being in a developed society. With population out of our control, and resources being what they are, we do need to draw a balance some where. We are not discussing here an individual family, we are talking about society and the nation.

Obviously, if we don't have basics available, it will be difficult to develop bright brains and we might end up developing those million terrorist that you are talking about.

Respected Virendra Ji,
you are absolutely right we should consider natural resources when we talk about population growth. Natural resources are limited for any country or even for the world so they can sustain a limited population also. As Rajender Ji talked about Ambani's remark that young population play a leading role for any community or country. It is 100% right that it play a significant role for developing but if......our limited resources would not utilise it in full potential then it also creates some new problems. this is the case in india, there is surplus youth talent and unmatchable calibre but we are unable to utilise it fully. In result many problems like unemployment, terrorism, decoity and other many social evils emerge out from this unused human resources.

 

[gsvijay1]

Check this article

From IndianExpress

http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=59066

 

[piush_tomar]

sir i think u r diverting the thread issue, hindu unity is diffrent thing that v can discuss separatly . can u unite hindus by increasing its population ?
yes its a need of hour for family planning there should be an universal law and more importantly basic education should me made compulsory so that muslim community might be able to know the draw backs of crowded family. main problem is due to illitracy in their community.

Dear Devendra Bhai.
Can you tell me what happend in last 50 years..about the education policy.
they are increasing there population day by day..they(muslims) are also following same education system..still they are increasing their population..because they still give vote only to that party by which they get benfit in every aspects.
They increased their population and sending their candidate in vidhan sabha and sansad..and playing a important role in every election..chahey woh..Panchayat,assembly or MP ka election ho...this is only coz they are increasing thir vote percentage..this is all abt statistics..and we hindus continoulsy talikng abt education..law..wagera wagera..so please rethink abt it.

Piyush Tomar

 

[piush_tomar]

Once again RSS president K.C.Sudarshan thinks about downfall in hindu population. Two days before also he advised all hindus to give birth at least 3 childerens. Some hindu religious leaders also giving this type of statements. Noticeable thing is that Sudarshan presides the RSS which controls 40 institutes and parties including BJP. BJP has rule in 4 states. They all consider RSS as a mother. Surprising thing is that after Sudarshan last statement Madhaya Pardesh govt. has changed one rule also, according to that if u have more than 2 childeren u cant fight for Panchayat Election. Now its scrap from MP. This is just one example, things would not stop here only.BJP ruled Govts. can do so many acts that would be opposite to center Govt.'s family planning scheme.From last 30-40 years the revolution that created among public, environment that we made for population control would be washed out.
On international level our condition will be like ' One step forward two steps backward'.
Sudarshan defends his statements saying that " If we see since 1881 the population of other religion in India, Pakistan and Bangladesh increasing rapidly as compare to Hindus. At that time Hindus were 79.02% and in 1991 the Hindus population in these three countries remains only 68.03%.
In India muslim population growth rate is 10% higher than Hindus".

Question is that Sudarshan is right or wrong?

Per my views instead of giving this type of statements we should do some revolutionary work in other community or religion to control there population. Due to illitracy, poverty, insecurity and more important religious fundamentlism that persist in their community , is the main cause for population growth.If we will move the wheel totally in opposite direction, definitely there would be more new problems for our country. For this task co-operation of all is needed. Dont consider it as a Hindu problem, its a country problem...MERE BHARAT KI SAMSHYA.

JAI HIND

Dear Devendra bhai,
Can you tell me what happend in last 50 years..about the education policy and law.they are increasing their population day by day..they(muslims) are also following same education system and law..still they are increasing their population..because they still give vote only to that party by which they get benfit in every aspects.
They increased their population and sending their candidate in vidhan sabha and sansad..and playing a important role in every election.and forming government.chahey woh..Panchayat,assembly or MP ka election ho...this is only coz they are increasing their vote percentage..this is all abt statistics..and we hindus continoulsy talikng abt education..law..wagera wagera..so please rethink abt it.

Piyush Tomar

 

[nd-chora]

After rethinking

Dear Devendra bhai,
Can you tell me what happend in last 50 years..about the education policy and law.they are increasing their population day by day..they(muslims) are also following same education system and law..still they are increasing their population..because they still give vote only to that party by which they get benfit in every aspects.
They increased their population and sending their candidate in vidhan sabha and sansad..and playing a important role in every election.and forming government.chahey woh..Panchayat,assembly or MP ka election ho...this is only coz they are increasing their vote percentage..this is all abt statistics..and we hindus continoulsy talikng abt education..law..wagera wagera..so please rethink abt it.

Piyush Tomar

Tomar bhai,
After thinking, thinking... thinking and as per ur suggestion rethinking i accept that and i accepted already before also that due to high growth rate in muslim population demography equalibrium might be unblanced and i am also in the fevor of universal law for family. But my point is that " IS IT THE ONLY SOLUTION THAT WE ALSO GIVE BIRTH CHILDERENS IN THE DOUBLE DIGIT FIGURE ?" . Is there no other solution ? ager wo g.... khate hein to hum bhi khane lag jayen..sorry.
lets come on practical thing.. How many childs u can give birth ? I am not talking about Kide-Makode but should be good citizan. Paida to ker dengen per atche nagrik kitane bana sakoge.
So dear best solution is universal law for all indian citizens irrespective of cast, community, religion, region etc. what u say about it ? am i right or still u have doubt ? if there , ur comments are solicited further.

davender

 

[devdahiya]

Bhai hadde te 2-e na pallte..............Ya over population nass ki jadd sei. Maan jyao na te bhugto ge?

 

[mukeshkumar007]

Is there no other solution ? ager wo g.... khate hein to hum bhi khane lag jayen..sorry.
lets come on practical thing.. How many childs u can give birth ? I am not talking about Kide-Makode but should be good citizan. Paida to ker dengen per atche nagrik kitane bana sakoge.
So dear best solution is universal law for all indian citizens irrespective of cast, community, religion, region etc. what u say about it ? am i right or still u have doubt ? if there , ur comments are solicited further.

davender

UNIVERSAL CIVIL CODE for all Indian.... It must come first than KURAN, GEETA, BIBLE and etc. There should be only one religion “INDIANA” …
As someone said that there is no fairness of mind in religion.

Those are saying that we should increase our Hindu Population than plz let me know how many among you would like to have 4-5 children ?...
So be practile and think about the better solution to controll it.