Weight of beauty ..... !!

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acha ji.......

rathee.sandeep said:
Bhalaa bura na koi roop rang se kehlata hai
Darshti bhed sab gun dosh dikhlata hai
Koi kamal ki kalli dekha hai kichhadd me
Kisi ko chand me bhi daag nazar aata hai
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Sahi kaha Sandeep ji......... nazariya bada mahatvapurna hota hai........ par kabhi kabhi swayam ke nazariye ko samjh paana hi kathin hota hai......... kaafi hindi ho gayi na!:)
 
Just got a book!

The one I got is Beauty and the contemporary sublime, by Jeremy Gilbert-Rolfe, a faculty member (probably understating that) at Art Center. And the first thing I noticed in reading the introduction is his reference to Kant's distinction between Beauty and The Sublime. And his reference to how they are perceived as obsolete since Duchamp's use of ordinary objects out of context pronounced as art. Duchamp pretty much canceled the idea that beauty is a requirement of art, and also challenged the idea of an objective taste. As a result of his work, Kant's Critique of Judgment has lost much of it's authority. Gilbert-Rolfe is reaffirming Kant, but in doing so, instead of using seascapes to illustrate The Sublime and paintings to illustrate Beauty he's using fashion models and fashion photography. (I think I have this right. Haven't even really started the book yet.) The use of the model as Sublime while the photograph is Beauty provides a clear distinction between the picture of the beautiful girl and the beautiful picture of the girl - a distinction much lacking on most of the web.
The author also challenges the assumption that The Sublime is superior to Beauty. As the sublime is primarily a product of nature, and not made by humans, it's been attributed to God. Anything made by God must be superior to anything made by man, the thought process goes. If one takes God out of the equation, a humanist point of view would state the opposite. Beauty created by man is superior to an accident of nature, as it takes intent and effort. And one final point I'm looking forward to reading about is the question of sex and the assignment of Beauty and The Sublime to feminine and masculine realms. I don't understand what he's saying, but so far Gilbert-Rolfe has stated (reinforcing Schiller's definitions) that Beauty is feminine andThe Sublime is masculine. And he assigns much of today's sexual ambiguity to a male need for beauty. Keep in mind we're not talking about sexuality here, but abstract concepts.



Looking forward to further discussions,



Regards,



Sam.
 
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Sandeep ji,

beauty beauty hoti hai,,,, aur haan mere dost External beauty hamesha internal beauty par bhaari padti hai,,,, woh kewal fairy tails mein hota hai ki internal beauty is more important than external beauty,,,:D,,, agar aisa hota toh mere dost tum ki dekh lo Kitne Beauty contest hote hai jisme external beauty dekhi jaati,,, internal beauty is there but after external beauty. I have so much examples Like We know Tajmahal for his external beauty,, internally toh uske andar bhi kabar hai mumtaz ki,,,
Sach toh yeh hai mere dost ki chhaye ladka ho yaa ladki sabhexternal beauty dekhte hai,,,,, waise dil ko behalaane ki liye "internal beauty" ka khayaal bhi gaalib achaa hai,,,,



rathee.sandeep said:
aapne galat samjha yash
main internal beauty ko mahtav de rha tha
aur aapka gaana external beauty ko
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Well i think when a person is unknown then only the outer beauty attract. and when we know a person then the we notice only inner beauty. Now i should say that 'Beauty' is not constant or universal. I like Amisha Patel and think she is very beautiful, but my brother is not agree with me. So at last it is depend on the person which beauty he likes.

But u raised a very good question. And hope u will definatly find your answer soon.

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Yash Bhai .. Mada Sa datt Ja ...

yashbeniwal said:
Sandeep ji,

beauty beauty hoti hai,,,, aur haan mere dost External beauty hamesha internal beauty par bhaari padti hai,,,, woh kewal fairy tails mein hota hai ki internal beauty is more important than external beauty,,,:D,,, agar aisa hota toh mere dost tum ki dekh lo Kitne Beauty contest hote hai jisme external beauty dekhi jaati,,, internal beauty is there but after external beauty. I have so much examples Like We know Tajmahal for his external beauty,, internally toh uske andar bhi kabar hai mumtaz ki,,,
Sach toh yeh hai mere dost ki chhaye ladka ho yaa ladki sabhexternal beauty dekhte hai,,,,, waise dil ko behalaane ki liye "internal beauty" ka khayaal bhi gaalib achaa hai,,,,
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bhai issa sai .... tajmahal ki kah toh di tannai ..ke external beauty ke karan jaante hain or iske bheetar mumtaj ki kabar sai ... per shahjahan nai yoh banwaya tha mumtaj tanhi .. iskai peechai uski bhawnayen chup rhi sain ... aar wahin bhawnayen iski INTERNAL BEAUTY SAIN ....


I m firm believer of internal beauty ..Well i support the thread of dhaka ji ... while saying that Rejecting Girls only on the face value is not a ethical thing ... and i agree with the point too .. this is not necessary that ... girl with external beauty will not be good from heart ... btw taking a quote out of sam's long para .. "It is not sufficient to see and to know the beauty of a work. We must feel and be affected by it."

Yeah its damm true ...

People who like rejecting girls ... please dont mind ... ask for the photo of her first than meeting her on her home and rejecting her on her face and in front of her parents ... it still hurts ... but it will do a favor on her ...As in most cases boys are finalised by parents of that girl ... and girl is finalised by boy himself ... unfair huh ... :confused:


and keep the thread going on .. its really nice one ...
 
dreamer said:
bhai issa sai .... tajmahal ki kah toh di tannai ..ke external beauty ke karan jaante hain or iske bheetar mumtaj ki kabar sai ... per shahjahan nai yoh banwaya tha mumtaj tanhi .. iskai peechai uski bhawnayen chup rhi sain ... aar wahin bhawnayen iski INTERNAL BEAUTY SAIN ....


I m firm believer of internal beauty ..Well i support the thread of dhaka ji ... while saying that Rejecting Girls only on the face value is not a ethical thing ... and i agree with the point too .. this is not necessary that ... girl with external beauty will not be good from heart ... btw taking a quote out of sam's long para .. "It is not sufficient to see and to know the beauty of a work. We must feel and be affected by it."

Yeah its damm true ...

People who like rejecting girls ... please dont mind ... ask for the photo of her first than meeting her on her home and rejecting her on her face and in front of her parents ... it still hurts ... but it will do a favor on her ...As in most cases boys are finalised by parents of that girl ... and girl is finalised by boy himself ... unfair huh ... :confused:


and keep the thread going on .. its really nice one ...
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Well, Dreamer ji, ya i do agree with ur views, though the scenario is changing fast......... girls of today are sticking to their choices too in the case of choice of a life partner........ and the boys who are mature, too......... have started realising that a suitable life partner is not the one who just nods with what the parents say....... but goes with what the parents & she together decide, coz the girls are becoming more aware, self reliant and decisive !! & the boys r looking for girls who are self decisive and confident too ........beyond the normal requisites of a matching look, respecting the parents, caring etc.......... i.e. the formula now is........girls with values & good at heart but at the same time confident, dynamic & mature enough to be a life partner in real sense!!....... and one who can face the innumerable unnamed challenges of this ever changing world in true spirit!!........ & this......... for sure, requires a lot of understanding, decisive spirit, zealous & enthusiastic attitude, strength of mind etc.!!!!!........... & ultimately........... this requires a lotsssssssss beyond looks!! Agree???

& for the beauty lovers it goes.......... its personal opinion though........ beauty is very easy to find............ beauty of thoughts is not that easy to locate & appreciate:):)............. isko pehchaanne ke liye bi kuch samjh chahiye:confused:............ kai log nahi rakhte hai ye samjh .......... sach!! :)............. unki galti bi nahi!!........ they r not to be blamed................ so........... unko samjh nahi aati hai ye baate kai baar............. shayad ................
 
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Hmmm..

shwetadhaka said:
Well, Dreamer ji, ya i do agree with ur views, though the scenario is changing fast......... girls of today are sticking to their choices too in the case of choice of a life partner........ and the boys too......... have started realising that a suitable life partner is not the one who just nods with what the parents say....... but goes with what the parents & she together decide, coz the girls are becoming more aware, self reliant and decisive !! & the boys r looking for girls who are self decisive and confident too ........beyond the normal requisites of a matching look, respecting the parents, caring etc.......... i.e. the formula now is........girls with values & good at heart but at the same time confident, dynamic & mature enough to be a life partner in real sense!!....... and one who can face the innumerable unnamed challenges of this ever changing world in true spirit!!........ & this......... for sure, requires a lot of understanding, decisive spirit, zealous & enthusiastic attitude, strength of mind etc.!!!!!........... & ultimately........... this requires a lotsssssssss beyond looks!! Agree???

& for the beauty lovers it goes.......... its personal opinion though........ beauty is very easy to find............ beauty of thoughts is not that easy to locate & appreciate:):)............. iske liye bi kuch samjh chahiye:confused:............ kai log nahi rakhte hai ye samjh .......... sach!! :)............. unki galti bi nahi!!..... they r not to be blamed................ so........... unko samjh nahi aati hai ye baate kai baar............. shayad ................
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Dekho ji .. Disagree hone ki toh baat hi nahin hai ... :) lotsss ... ke aagay s thore hi lagaye ... i m fully agree with it ... Still i feel that .... the scenario you mentioned above applies more in case of love marriages ... not in arranged ones ... and i dont know what's the ratio of love marriage : arrange marriage ; but i m pretty sure .. arrange marriages has got more share ... and Well ... in case of arrange marriage .. there is not enough time for a person to decide whether the person is good enough to take all important position or not ...

And well as far as ... decision of girls go in this case .. to reject or accept ... i m afraid .. Delhi abhi door hai madam ... (and debate in this thing will drag the discussion away from the roots ... So fullstop. :))

Jin logon ko samjh nahin aati yeh baatein ... unka toh kya kar sakte hain ...
 
dreamer said:
Dekho ji .. Disagree hone ki toh baat hi nahin hai ... :) lotsss ... ke aagay s thore hi lagaye ... i m fully agree with it ... Still i feel that .... the scenario you mentioned above applies more in case of love marriages ... not in arranged ones ... and i dont know what's the ratio of love marriage : arrange marriage ; but i m pretty sure .. arrange marriages has got more share ... and Well ... in case of arrange marriage .. there is not enough time for a person to decide whether the person is good enough to take all important position or not ...

And well as far as ... decision of girls go in this case .. to reject or accept ... i m afraid .. Delhi abhi door hai madam ... (and debate in this thing will drag the discussion away from the roots ... So fullstop. :))

Jin logon ko samjh nahin aati yeh baatein ... unka toh kya kar sakte hain ...
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:):) thanx for ur opinions dreamer ji! Ya might be the scenario applies more in case of arranged marriages..........still........... in case of arranged marriages too, people are paying thought to this aspect......... though the time is limited and they cant discuss many a issues actively, yet, they instead of lots of interaction pay attention to the academic standing, career orientation etc. of the girl they r looking for the purpose to ensure these factors as I earlier mentioned.......... ya its a starting......... but its growing fast!

Dilli abi door sahi ............ par zammane ki speed ab kaafi fast ho gayi hai ......... & decision of girls............ it matters........... may be there are lots whose does'nt........... but there are many whose has started mattering.......... they know how to make it matter!! I know many a examples........... yaaaa :):)
 
dilli to kab ki paas aachuki .aajkal ladkia khub reject karti hai ladkoko.me to na jaane kitne aise cases dekh chuki.aaj se 12 saal pahle meri shadi ke time mujhe poora adhikar tha....not to marry a person if i do not like him.mujhe aaj bhi yad hai jab ye mujhe dekhne aaye the to meri ma ne sabke saamne poocha tha bol chorri pasand se ek nahi.i am so much proud of my mom.
dreamer said:
And well as far as ... decision of girls go in this case .. to reject or accept ... i m afraid .. Delhi abhi door hai madam ... (and debate in this thing will drag the discussion away from the roots ... So fullstop. :))

Jin logon ko samjh nahin aati yeh baatein ... unka toh kya kar sakte hain ...
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hai tera bhala ho maddam

ritu said:
dilli to kab ki paas aachuki .aajkal ladkia khub reject karti hai ladkoko.me to na jaane kitne aise cases dekh chuki.aaj se 12 saal pahle meri shadi ke time mujhe poora adhikar tha....not to marry a person if i do not like him.mujhe aaj bhi yad hai jab ye mujhe dekhne aaye the to meri ma ne sabke saamne poocha tha bol chorri pasand se ek nahi.i am so much proud of my mom.
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Mannai kahi toh thi ... ke debate ho sakai sai is baat pai ... bharat main itne gaam sain ke ginti ai na sai ... aar gaaman ki haalat itni bhoondi sai kayian ki aak ke bataun .... chhorian nai aapne gharaale ki shakal jib dikhai sai jib 1 2 balak ho le sain unkai ... You are definitely lucky if u got what you liked ...
 
dreamer said:
Mannai kahi toh thi ... ke debate ho sakai sai is baat pai ... bharat main itne gaam sain ke ginti ai na sai ... aar gaaman ki haalat itni bhoondi sai kayian ki aak ke bataun .... chhorian nai aapne gharaale ki shakal jib dikhai sai jib 1 2 balak ho le sain unkai ... You are definitely lucky if u got what you liked ...
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Ya, sahi kaha aapne, gamman ki haalat aisi ho sake hai aur hai bi......... par sheher me kafi badlav aa rahe hai, aur thode gaao me bhi, .......... wait & watch ........... diili paas aane waali hai jaldi hi............... meri to aa gayi kam se kam:)
 
Bhai tu kah toh delhi nai pass le aawai,,,,:eek:;)
ere kade bekar ki behas mai ulajh gaya tu bhi,,, yaadai apna experinced bhai dreamer e theek sai,,, tane mane k bera baawle,,,,:D
hum tai jo gharaale toh denge baand lenge palle kai,, unka aashirwaad samajh kai,,,,,aapa khaandaani log sai,,,, er haryane mai toh jai tu naat gaya tai gharke jhoote maar kai kaad denge,,,,,:p:D

But I think Marriage is a mutual understanding between two souls,, which already made for each other in heaven,,,, nobody change this bitter truth of life,,, I saw lots of love marriage who not able to celeb there 1st maariage anniversary and demolished in between,,,, :mad: din't know whose fault but still two broken hearts,, who prepares themselves for a new destination,,, its life my dear,,,,
Beauty doesn't matter,,, sabko wahi milta hai jiski laikeer uske haath mein hoti hai,,,,

rathee.sandeep said:
hum to delhi se door hi hai abhi
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