What is the basis of our Moral Values?

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Dear All,

The essence of morality is not in its literal meaning but in understanding as to how mankind has conveniently altered its meaning to suit the needs of an individual, group, society and even nationally. The matter is far too complicated to be proved either way. It has also become almost impossible to evaluate one’s own deeds on the morality scale when the scale itself is manipulated. Therefore, no clear logic or explanation.

A long time back I heard a speech. I think it was by Osho (I am not his follower) or someone else. The subject matter was about ‘Conditioning’. The gist is that a human being is akin to an Onion. Most of us must have enjoyed an Onion with our food in a village. I remember we used to keep the onion on the cot and smash it. Sometimes the inner most part of the Onion used to escape the Onion, the part which is the tastiest. Now a human being's 'Antaraatman' is like that innermost part of an Onion.

Now the speaker equated that innermost part with our real self; innocent and not yet corrupted by the ways of the world. He equates the numerous layers around the self (as in an Onion) to various veils under which the true self remains hidden or suppressed. These veils or layers are those of religion, customs, traditions, culture, society, caste, color, region etc. A human being shall remain trapped under these veils and the real person can never escape from these layers. Complicated! Yes indeed.

It is also a proven fact that when humans cannot follow simple rules, they complicate the matter, as in religious texts and the manner of most discriminatory traditions. For example: A SC/ST can’t draw water from this well. Or, only I can interpret the word of God and you shall follow. Should you sin, I shall decide the punishment as per the text which you can’t understand or interpret.

The simplest learning after reading all texts was derived by a wise man and he said the following two things:

1. There is no greater ‘Punya’ than helping other human being and no greater ‘Sin’ or ‘Paap’ when your actions cause pain to another human being.
2. The ultimate gist of all religions is: Jo Vavyahar aapko apnee aatma ke particool na lagee, vah doosron ke saath mat karo”.

Arya Samaj lays down few basic principles for a meaningful life. They are so simple that most of us find it difficult to follow it.

I believe all those who want to find the true practitioners of morality can do so by remembering how our ‘Bade Buddhe’ lived their life; least complicated and with simplicity.

I hope there is some sense in what I wrote?

Regards,

JS Malik
 
2. The ultimate gist of all religions is: Jo Vavyahar aapko apnee aatma ke particool na lagee, vah doosron ke saath mat karo”.


i heard this as defintion of paap ......and always try to follow this.
 
Answer lies with knowing that which came first : Immoarlity,Amorality and Morality . A chicken and Egg argument.

Shall I add Self serving,Conditional,Situational,Opportunity,Subjective.

Are above words and their meaning appearing consiously,subconsiously in 'right behaviour' and 'right action' by any chance ? Then?

To win-win, Does scoring second/defeat immoral?

Nature most of the time and then Amoral society I live in.



Is it following the religion or adhering to the customs that makes us moral? Or is it the values imparted by our elders? The meaning of the word "MORAL" has such wide connotations.
Per Merriam- Webster Online Dictionary, MORAL is
1 a: relating to principles of right and wrong in behavior : ethical <moral judgments>
b: expressing or teaching a conception of right behavior <a moral poem>
c: conforming to a standard of right behavior
d: sanctioned by or operative on one's conscience or ethical judgment <a moral obligation>
e: capable of right and wrong action <a moral agent>
2: probable though not proved : virtual <a moral certainty>
3: perceptual or psychological rather than tangible or practical in nature or effect <a moral victory> <moral support>
My moral values are dictated by right behaviour and right action. And right is "win-win" (borrowed from quote by Anilsd) for all involved in the situation.
So, what is the basis of your moral values that shapes your words, behaviour and actions?
 
I say many people preaching morality are engaging in immoral behavior.
But even people knew exactly what immoral behavior that other person is engaging in most people tend to ignore it due to several reasons - may be they need to use that person/s for their own benefit, do not want to invite trouble etc. Our society is basically a society of hypocrites.
 
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आपने सही कहा रितू जी!

आत्मा के अनुकूल किया गया आचरण पुन्य( मानव धर्म ) है !
और आत्मा के प्रतिकूल किया गया आचरण पाप (अधर्म) है !
लेकिन हम आत्मा के दरवाजे को खोलते ही कब हैं !
आत्मा से आने वाली आवाज हमारे मोह ,लोभ और भोग विलास रुपी दरवाजों (अवरोधकों ) को पार नहीं कर पाती !
आपने कहा , आपके जीवन मूल्यों की नीव आपकी माताजी के आचरण को देख सुन कर पड़ी !
नविन भाई ,दीपक जी आदि ने निजी जीवन , पारिवारिक व् सामाजिक मूल्यों में परस्पर प्रभाव के महत्व पर बल दिया है
मेरा भी ऐसा ही मानना है

कर्नल मालिक जी की बड़े बूडोँसे ली सीख लेने की बात सही है पर उन्होंने ओशो रजनीस के किसी प्रवचन का भी हवाला दिया! लेकिन ओशो रजनीस ने सामाजिक मूल्यों से बगावत कर खुद के अनुभव से गलत ठीक के अहसास पर बहुत बल दिया है !यानिकी, पारिवारिक व् सामाजिक मान्यताओं को अन्धादुन्ध लादने के लिए चेताया है ! उन्होंने इस बात बल दिया है की उन्हें गिरने और गिर कर सँभालने का अहसास होने दो!
में कुछ हद तक ओशो के विचारों से सहमत हूँ पर मेरा ये भी मानना है की आत्मनिर्णय को सर्वोप्रिय रखना अहम् को जन्म देता है ! अपितु, मेरा मनान है की पारिवारिक परिवेश ही हमारे जीवन मूल्यों की पहली पाठशालाहै !लेकिन ये पाठशाला समाज रूपि महाविद्यालय का हिस्सा है! इस्सी लिए हमारे जीवन मूल्यों में गिरावट भी सामाजिक मूल्यों में उथल पुथल और गिरावट से प्रभावित हुए बगैर नहीं रह सकते !
इसलिए , अच्छे संस्कारों की छाँव में पड़ी नीव आपको उस उथल पुथल में डगमगाने और बहाव में बहने से रोकती हैं व् स्थिर रखती हैं ! इस्सी लिए आत्मा के अनुकूल आचरण, हमारी संतानों और समाज के प्रति हमारी जिम्मेदारी का धोतक है !


खुश रहो!
 
Moral.........

On almost every second thread in Jatland, we read about moral values. Is it following the religion or adhering to the customs that makes us moral? Or is it the values imparted by our elders? The meaning of the word "MORAL" has such wide connotations.
Per Merriam- Webster Online Dictionary, MORAL is
1 a: relating to principles of right and wrong in behavior : ethical <moral judgments>
b: expressing or teaching a conception of right behavior <a moral poem>
c: conforming to a standard of right behavior
d: sanctioned by or operative on one's conscience or ethical judgment <a moral obligation>
e: capable of right and wrong action <a moral agent>
2: probable though not proved : virtual <a moral certainty>
3: perceptual or psychological rather than tangible or practical in nature or effect <a moral victory> <moral support>
My moral values are dictated by right behaviour and right action. And right is "win-win" (borrowed from quote by Anilsd) for all involved in the situation.
So, what is the basis of your moral values that shapes your words, behaviour and actions?

(P.S.:If a thread of similar nature already exists in JL, do provide the reference, thank you)
Nice thread.........i know i cant explain this topic as good as people here has done but yet i will give my opinion on this.

Moral values are the ideal way of behavior which we get from our society , our family. its very much relevent to time we living in.
Moaral values are way of of bahavior on which most ppl will agree...................
for me......... Morals are my honesty on which i need to act.
 
fear none, hurt none, harm none, bother(as in meddling..tokaa-taaki) none n dont give a $hite bout others who dont matter

no other moral values as such...except maybe..NEVER to answer back/be rude to elder relatives
 
I think the source of our moral values is Moral Science class taught in school. Some students cheated even on the Moral Science exam ... but in the end everybody got more that 90%. I think all my classmates are morally accomplished now.
 
moral values........

jis kisi bhi kaam me u feel satisfied....with no regret or guilty left in your heart.....depicts your moral values....
 
basis of moral values

Basis of moral values is what our Moral is!

We came together because of our moral values:care and responsibility, fairness and equality, freedom and courage, fulfillment in life, opportunity and community, cooperation and trust, honesty and openness.

Moral values at the national level are idealized family values projected onto the nation. These values are the values of a responsible nurturant family, where parents (if there are two) are equally responsible. Their job is to nurture their children and raise them to be nurturers of others. Nurturance has two aspects: empathy and responsibility--both for yourself and your children.

If you empathize with your children, you will want them to have strong protection, fair and equal treatment and fulfillment in life. Fulfillment requires freedom, freedom requires opportunity and opportunity requires prosperity. Since your family lives in, and requires, a community, community building and community service are required. Community requires cooperation, which requires trust, which requires honesty and open communication.
 
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To Op - Can't be more hypocritical then this - you asking this question. You being admirer of Narendra Modi who perpetuated and suported attacks on innocent Indian muslims. You have no right to ask such questions.
 
Aman,
There was a disclaimer in that post that you have obviously missed.
It would be nice if you could share your thoughts about basis of moral values, or immoral values (keeping Narender Modi in mind). Either would suffice.
Thanks
To Op - Can't be more hypocritical then this - you asking this question. You being admirer of Narendra Modi who perpetuated and suported attacks on innocent Indian muslims. You have no right to ask such questions.
 
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To Op - Can't be more hypocritical then this - you asking this question. You being admirer of Narendra Modi who perpetuated and suported attacks on innocent Indian muslims. You have no right to ask such questions.

Great! I agree with you whole heartedly.

What I am just confused about is that which article of Indian constitution or US constitution gives you right to bar someone from asking questions ?

My poor memory betraying me , can you help ?


Thanks,
anil
 
hamare purkhon ne sankshep main ek baat kahi thee
jiss kaam ke karne main koi bhay na lagey wo uchit hey(moral)

jiss kaam ke karne main koi bhay lagey wo unuchit hey(immoral)

ghani baat badhaan ki koi jaroorat nahi lagti.
 
Great! I agree with you whole heartedly.

What I am just confused about is that which article of Indian constitution or US constitution gives you right to bar someone from asking questions ?

My poor memory betraying me , can you help ?


Thanks,
anil

Another supporter of micro-hitler - Narendra Modi? :rolleyes:
 
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