What Went Wrong With Jats

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rsdalal said:
Tokas Bhai, Jgmohan sir, it is good to wish for the upliftment of community. But it is not that bad as depicted here. There are some good examples as well. But as they say in software there is always room for improvement.
I had some good exp with Delhi police...
I went to Delhi train station and on way near CP, I missed the exit from one circle. As it was early morning around 5 AM so not much traffic., I stopped and tool little reverse instead of completeing the whole circle. DP gipsy was there and they got it close to me and were ready to give me tiket. I just said in Jattu "Err parene e te jana se, er hade traffic bhee konna" I could see the smile on their faces and rest is bye bye.
They could have given me tiket easily and I was at fault
Err Bhai Jats are trying there best in other areas as well, it is not only in property dealing. Many jats are trying in other business as well, but as we hope for we need to do more...
Jagmohan sir I beg to differ little on ego part "In my opinion some ego is good and every jat should have it" This keep us separate from rest, especialy punjus....
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I agree with what you have just said. Times are a changing. I know so many jat families who have reached the top position in their departments. They are all sophisticated & well educated.
Even in villages, jats have started realising the importance of education for both their sons & daughters. The best part is that mostly all the jat villages are around Delhi ... so the modernisation is not far away, as I can visualize.

What about our jat fellows who have joined in this group...look at our views...its amazing to see such a change in our attitudes.

Chhikara
 
Thank you for that sight picture, Uncle. Maybe the 1st trigger to pull is to get more of our young ones off to colleges and schools. By that I mean the first step, on which everything depends, is education. What are your thoughts, since you are where the rubber meets the road?
Ravi
 
sumitdaheya said:
I think Sehrawatji this quote of yours is misleading " Most of the parents of marriageable boys behave as if their son is the reincarnation of Alexander and the girls of whole jat community at their feet asking for asylum"
It can apply bothways. Parents of girls also behave likewise.
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Bhai Sumit ek bei aur padhh dallo Sehrawat bhai saheb ki post nei.....He is right.
 
punjabis have succeded bcoz of their
ability to act acc to situation(with no
morals at all), a punajbi wud speak very
meetha with u till he requires u(jat) nd
when he or she becomes succesful wud
block ways for jats..this leads to a
question is adulation key to success
which i have started a thread in this
forum only...
baniyas have become so succesful due to
their initial wealth nd business mind
the comman phenomenon among these two
socities wud be the
1 . anti jat attitude
2 . not showing this atti openly
(befooling many of us )
3. blocking ways for jats in the
corporate ladder
4. favouring candidates from respective
socities
5.maintain relations with moguls even if
they are jat
so the answer seems quite obvious for
our society also
1. identify with these problems
2. provide help to upcoming people in
our society(which this site is doing quite
aptly i think) ..which was absent in
past
3. dont go over the moon wen at the top
ladder but shud help the community grow
with u
4.shud make our harsh attitude moderate
to some degree to be affable
5.should always try to inculcate good
qualities of others( sadly some of even
punjabis if want to become succesful)
6.dont b jealous of others sucess(bcoz
no gud will cum out)but try to inspire
urself from that


i invite candor comments on this
 
Self Analysis

Hi All.........

I am 100% agree on what Mr. Malik and other members have said about JATs that why we are lacking behind from others.

But if we here(all members and people who read this) apply on their own life, I am sure that a major portion of our community will impove. If we are 3000 members here, we belong to almost 3000 families and imagine that 3000 families follow all these.

So first of all start apply on yourself and then blame on others. There is no OTHERS if you think in real terms. We are just WE.

And these things will directly impact on society and you will see the diffrence within few months. If we dont see the diffrence, it means WE(all) just have read this and not following.


-Ravindra Singh
 
Intolerance among Jats

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A very useful, informative and nice thread indeed – I went through it only today. Col. Malik has summarised most of the points and we fully agree with him. I just want to add one or two – lack of tolerance and ‘Mukaddmebaazi’. Due to this bad quality among us, the local courts in our areas are full of Jats who waste their time and hard-earned money in ‘fauzdaari’ or ‘deewani’ cases. You will see very few Punjabi or Banias in these courts. Big businessmen like Ambani brothers have settled their differences over the hereditory property worth billions of rupees but many of our villagers are unable to sort out petty things among themselves.

Even while discussing a subject in such forums over the Internet, we become intolerant. Even USA/Canada wallas of our community seem to be equally intolerant in so far as the healthy debates in these forums are concerned. In this thread itself, one US-based member locked his horns with one of our Delhi-based brothers and the real topic of discussion was thwarted. Just a few days back, one or two brothers from USA/Canada tried to lock horns with me in the thread Should a widow remarry or not..????? , defeating the very purpose of a thread relating to a pure social issue. A few among us play politics even in social issues. I had ended the debate in that thread with slight humourous input but again there is a pop-up ! Read the thread yourself.

Local panchayat system, which used to be the backbone of our judicial system, has failed mainly due to political intervention. Empowerment of panchayats is a step in the right direction but what is the purpose of enforcement of a system of reservation even in this pious system? Let the people choose a person of their own choice, rather than state governments imposing conditions that such and such village will be headed by a ‘Harijan’ or a Mahila? This is pure politics and I do not want to elaborate it further.

Some members have pointed towards DTC, Delhi Police, MCD etc. The Dichaon Kalan depot of DTC (near Najafgarh) really became notorious and to some extent responsible for downfall of DTC which had a monolopy in the transport system of national capaital. It is heard that Jat DTC-bus drivers in that depot used to remove new tyres from their buses, replacing them with old ones – the new ones fitted into the personal trucks of their own or of their ‘rishtedaars’. !! “Kaath ki haandi bar-bar nahin chadhti” – “Jab baadd khet ko khann laag jya to uksi rakhwaali koun karey”? DTC used to employ thousands of Jat boys and with the downfall of this body, many jobs have been lost to others.
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It is hard to be positive

Glass is Half Full but its Half Empty as well !!!

I agree with most of the points made by our seniors here.

Jats have failed to change with the changing times.

We need to have a serious look within ourselves...esp matters related to Women, the caste system, education and most importantly human values.
 
antil-sunpatiya said:
Glass is Half Full but its Half Empty as well !!!

I agree with most of the points made by our seniors here.

Jats have failed to change with the changing times.

We need to have a serious look within ourselves...esp matters related to Women, the caste system, education and most importantly human values.
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Kabb ayr kaisse?
 
well really nice points by our respected elders here, indeed every word written in this thread fits so well.

i would like to say a simple thing, punjabis excelled coz they had nothing whn they took shelter and the need for bread makes one strong n smart, it was then that they became enterprising, Kisse nae patri lagayi, kisse nae tokri thayi........paise bacha kar dukanne kharidi..... kise nae compromise karya arrr bera na ke ke, aaj wohi patriyan sadar bazaar / kashmiri gate jaise illakke hai, jahan sae pure desh mei trade hota hai, coz that time there werent any markets, so these markets natrually succeeded as they were oldest............... n today are largely run by punjabis esp sadar, lajpat rai, kashmiri gate, bhagirath place (the hubs of trade for all india )

aaj sussra refujii ko jo makaan free mai mila tha, woh makaan 2-5 corore tak kae kyunki woh dilli mei hai, arr jaat ki dharti battae - battae khatam hogi, arr kimat kitni sae sabne bera sae.

as jats were content wid wot they had, ek security thi dharti ki arr apne ghar ki, it can be seen that whn indians go abroad, they just do fine regardless of the fact that they r jats, punjabis, bahamans or wotever. as suggested by elders here we need to correct the attitude as thats the only problem.
 
Good Discussion,

Sabhi ko Ram-Ram,

Thanks for this self-Analaysis thread,

Their is nothing wrong with Jats, Jats are doing what ever they want and for what for we inspire by our elders. We are leging behind little bit in some
area's like Business etc., Jats have some minus point and those are indicated
by most of our seniour members in this thread.

--Hum log akshtriya hain isliye Forces and Police is our main feilds is it
wrong ?
--Hum logo key pass kheti key liey Jamin thee/hai isleyay kheti ker rahey
hai kaya yeh galat hai ?
--Hum log Jayada Sawabhimani (Igostick)hai iseeleya sena(forces) may
Naam hai(Respect).
--Hum aatm nibher rahey hai isliey chhotey-2 kam karna hamey achhaa
Nahi lagta or meri samajh say hamey nahi karna chahiya.

Humara or punjabiyo(refujees largly) ka koi mukabala nahi hai, onkey pass kuchh nahi tha isleya onhoney chhotey-2 kam bhee keeya or sarey kam nikalney key liya ghatiya say ghatiya tarikey apnaya tab jakey wo kanhi
kuchh ker payea hai...Jo kee hamarey liyea bahut muskil hai.

Dahiyaji, Malik Sahab, Deswal ji ney jo likha hai jayadter theek hai, Hamarey
samaj kee jo kamiya hai unhey sudharna jaruri hai perntoo jo achhi cheej
unhey sambhalna bhee jaruri hai. Kanhi easa na ho hum aagey badhney key
chakker may apney samjik mulyoo(Eithicks) ko hee bhul jayea jo kee hamari
pehchan hai.

Baniyea, brahmin and so maney other are not able to save our countery
they are making money by hook or by crook but we are saving the border of this countery as well as our culture, our values and all.

See who so ever are belongs to akshtriya are in a same boat wheather
the Rajputs, Maratha, Gujjars or aahiras.

These are my personel views and I am sorry if I am wrong at any point.

I am a proud Jat with all Minus points of Jats and I prey to the god, Please
make me jat for ever( Man her Janam Mey Jat hee banan chahta hun).

With Regards
 
One More thing

Jatta ney to loggo key naal dhokki hai dhukwai nahi or jaydater business may
naal dhukwani padey hai.

Jaydater businessman chhoti see dhamkee say sub kuchh chhod key bhag jatey hai jo kee unka kamaya hua hota hai isleay yea dhyan rakhna chahiyea
yea desh bhee chhod key bhag jayegey agar akshtriya (Jat, Rajput,Gujjar, Martha etc.) na ho.

Regards
 
jagmohan said:
There are many reasons. Please pardon me should they be too harsh to accept.

1. Typical JAT attitude of not accepting anyone better than themselves.
2. An air of INVINCIBILITY that is inherited, generation after generation. Apne te bada kise ne sochte e na. Same here.
3. RELUCTANCE to take up business and restricting to only 'Fauj', 'Police', 'Haryana Roadways', 'DTC', 'Bijli Daftar' etc.
4. A sense of SHAME in starting small ventures, shops etc. Why? Log ke kahenge, ke phalane ka potaa susra dukan kar rhya se.
5. Unwilling to accept or should I say tolerate the success even within own community. Hogs susra DC apne ghar mein!!
6. Failure to IMBIBE positives of others experiences, even in farming.
7. Not accepting anyone as a LEADER. Saare leader hain.
8. ABANDONMENT of villages by all those who shifted to towns. Of course they only return to take their share of sale proceeds and give lectures.
9. A basic hatred towards JATS by Brahmins, Banias & SCs.
10. INABILITY to become a single votebank. Har ek gaam mein kam se kam teen, char gut sein.
11. Not educating and trusting daughters. Ke kare gi padh ke, agle saal byah dein ge.

However, there are exceptions too.

Regards,

JS Malik
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Absolutely right sir, every point is so true . majority jats hav such bent of mind. i wish things cud change as quickly as possible.
 
My opinion

Hi all,

I have discussed about this to my wife so many time and things which we lack are-

-> Education
-> Attitude towards life
-> Most of us have got wealth by property where we haven't seen our parents working hard and as such we never had any role model
-> Spend time in unwanted issues. I have seen lots of Jat family which does not have any property case in court which infact could be avioded if Jat doesnot have much ego.
-> Not trusting eachother
-> AND biggest jealously

All other community have progressed as they are unite and help eachother. We are jealous of eachother believe it.
 
skarmveer said:
--Hum aatm nibher rahey hai isliey chhotey-2 kam karna hamey achhaa
Nahi lagta or meri samajh say hamey nahi karna chahiya.

Humara or punjabiyo(refujees largly) ka koi mukabala nahi hai, onkey pass kuchh nahi tha isleya onhoney chhotey-2 kam bhee keeya or sarey kam nikalney key liya ghatiya say ghatiya tarikey apnaya tab jakey wo kanhi
kuchh ker payea hai...Jo kee hamarey liyea bahut muskil hai.
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kaam ko chhota samjhne wala khudd he chhota hota he (ya phir ho jata hen samay ke sath)...likh le iss baat ne kitte...
 
chhillar said:
kaam ko chhota samjhne wala khudd he chhota hota he (ya phir ho jata hen samay ke sath)...likh le iss baat ne kitte...
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eekkk aur baat chillar sahab, ya bhi lihwa lyo kitte.......

chotta kaaam ae ek dina bada kaam ban jya sae....

if u scroll above u will find my post as how these ppl excelled, woh tehbazaari waali market hi aaj aal india trade ka garh hai. i request u to kindly go through that.
 
All said and done, it boils down to few simple things, we Jats are -

1. Thin skin
2. Small heart
3. Preach more than practice

Jats should -

1. Develop thick skin like Rhino
2. Develop big heart like Buffallo
3. Practice more than preach

Try these you will see good results.
 
Education

Is there any data available for -

1. What % of jats are high school graduate?
2. What % of jats are 12+3 graduate?
3. What % of Jats are masters or above?

I have an impression that among <45 yrs age group jats >90% are high school graduate, >50% are under graduate and above. That puts them one of the highest educated youth caste group.
 
Jat ke thhat : Lets make things good then

Ok i got the points. But let start,--- Let make a bank Account fill it with money and spend it like hell on devlopment. Start working dear.

1. Make an Society.
2. Invest for Seed money,
3. Make it self sustainable.
4 Find the point we Jat are good in.
5. Develop those skill on global level.
Aur Jaat jaat hi rahega lekin developed jaat.Jaat main koi kharabi nahi hai .Bas jis stream main hum hai uska jikar kam ho gaya hai. Hamne punjabi,baniya,SC nahi jaat hi rehna hai. let come in main stream.How many you are ready and lets make a start. Dont give suggestion just Action plan and Action.I could open the account with my own money will register the society could find some offices in some location.Include some other friend,relatives of mine. Although very Busy, starting my own carrier but still devote that much time.
 
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