Where BJP is lacking when it comes to centre politics?

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samarkadian

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What a time was it!! Atal Bihari Vajpayi was the cynosure of Indian politics in the second half of 90s. Mostly Indians looked up to him, adored his charisma and loved him to see as Prime Minister. All of a sudden it seemed that BJP has no dearth of new leaders.After Indira Gandhi Atal govt dared to test nuclear weapons and get India registered among nuclear powers of the world. In the same era congress was kissing its lowest point on leadership and people like Sita Ram Kesri were around.

Came the new century and bang! charisma,persona was fading, popularity sliding, in-fighting and the party with the difference appeared like the party with a lot of differences. Vajpayi retired for his own good. Since then they are in transition phase at central level. Not quite sticking with their original Hindutav agenda. If Modi and a handful of other CMs are kept aside, no one in the whole party seems to be popular for central job. Most importantly they seemed clueless over their own agenda. In first UPA term literally there was no opposition from them which costed them to sit in opposition for a second term. Despite a lot of scams by UPA-2 they still seems unbenefitted from what could have caused a mid term polls.

It is my perception which might be 100% wrong but what you guys think where BJP is lacking?
 
As is said a number of times before: “unity is strength” and that’s where the BJP looses. Absence of a tall and charismatic mass leader resulting into infighting amongst the workers is taking the party nowhere. What else could explain the failure of a party with such efficient and capable politicians! Because of all these issues this party gives an impression of being totally directionless.
 
Lack of experience .......

Samarkadian said:
What a time was it!! Atal Bihari Vajpayi was the cynosure of Indian politics in the second half of 90s. Mostly Indians looked up to him, adored his charisma and loved him to see as Prime Minister. All of a sudden it seemed that BJP has no dearth of new leaders.After Indira Gandhi Atal govt dared to test nuclear weapons and get India registered among nuclear powers of the world. In the same era congress was kissing its lowest point on leadership and people like Sita Ram Kesri were around.

Came the new century and bang! charisma,persona was fading, popularity sliding, in-fighting and the party with the difference appeared like the party with a lot of differences. Vajpayi retired for his own good. Since then they are in transition phase at central level. Not quite sticking with their original Hindutav agenda. If Modi and a handful of other CMs are kept aside, no one in the whole party seems to be popular for central job. Most importantly they seemed clueless over their own agenda. In first UPA term literally there was no opposition from them which costed them to sit in opposition for a second term. Despite a lot of scams by UPA-2 they still seems unbenefitted from what could have caused a mid term polls.

It is my perception which might be 100% wrong but what you guys think where BJP is lacking?
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samarkadian said:
It is my perception which might be 100% wrong but what you guys think where BJP is lacking?
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Lack of social base, not able to take votes of significant sections(Schedule castes, Minority and regional dominant castes). It lost support of Lingayats in Karnataka and result is in front of you.
 
n old story with a message was like this

lots of frogs in a well ,they decided to go out and see the world outside ..they formed a verical chain so as to allow them to climb out of well however those near bottom though that they will be left behind so ...
i think all of us know this story ...
same is happening in bjp ....
adwaniji can not get over his lifetime ambition of becoming PM so

sushma ji with backing of advani ...or on her own ...there are many indications she considers herself a top contender ..

rajnath ji ...imo has worked with the party organization for his lifetime ...so if chances of party coming to power..why should he be behind

besides these a few so called leaders or whatever ..arun jaitely,venkainaidu....as per my knowledge they have done tremendous harm to the party ...they themselves lack mass base but on every opportunity they try to harm popular leaders....
CONGRESS HERE HAS AN ADVANTAGE WHICH GIVES IT AN EDGE OVER BJP FOR SURE
its not good for democracy but it works...all are followers of rahulji ...:applause:...

sabhi chamche hain ....jaisa hankoge waisa karenge....organization level pe this means quick decisions making,uniformity baki koi behavior studies ka doctor likh dega:cool:
 
This is spot on Vikki- good and very accurate analysis
vikkisingh said:
n old story with a message was like this

lots of frogs in a well ,they decided to go out and see the world outside ..they formed a verical chain so as to allow them to climb out of well however those near bottom though that they will be left behind so ...
i think all of us know this story ...
same is happening in bjp ....
adwaniji can not get over his lifetime ambition of becoming PM so

sushma ji with backing of advani ...or on her own ...there are many indications she considers herself a top contender ..

rajnath ji ...imo has worked with the party organization for his lifetime ...so if chances of party coming to power..why should he be behind

besides these a few so called leaders or whatever ..arun jaitely,venkainaidu....as per my knowledge they have done tremendous harm to the party ...they themselves lack mass base but on every opportunity they try to harm popular leaders....
CONGRESS HERE HAS AN ADVANTAGE WHICH GIVES IT AN EDGE OVER BJP FOR SURE
its not good for democracy but it works...all are followers of rahulji ...:applause:...

sabhi chamche hain ....jaisa hankoge waisa karenge....organization level pe this means quick decisions making,uniformity baki koi behavior studies ka doctor likh dega:cool:
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Politics at top level within party, Less discipline, External forces(RSS,VHP etc) influencing decison making and lack of agenda.
 
I remember after Rajiv Gandhi's assassination , congress became weaker and was struggling with lack of leadership. And consequently party got weaker. But as soon as Sonia took the leadership, Congress party got strong anf got back on track. I wonder whats the magic behind this "Gandhi" word? May be Desi can explain. :)
 
Found an article published in 1998 on BBC when Sonia took the leadership of congress party:

Sonia Gandhi: the reluctant
politician

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/analysis/43224.stm


Congress turned to her in defeat

The decision by the party hierarchy to make her president of the party was
greeted with joy by her supporters, but upset the veteran leader, Sitaram Kesri.
Although the post was largely organisational, it gave her vast influence.

Soon after the elections ended in defeat for the Congress party, it also
agreed to make her leader, and she was appointed nearly unanimously in early
April.


Commentators are divided on why
exactly Sonia Gandhi has decided to re-enter the political fray.

Some believe she is keen to retain political clout and so prevent
embarrassing revelations about alleged corruption during the last years of
Rajiv's term of office.

Others believe she may have a longer-term game plan - to hand the mantle of
the famous Gandhi dynasty to her daughter Priyanka, who many look to as the real
saviour of the Congress Party's fortunes.



The Gandhi name still respected

In India, the Gandhi name still has some magic for the masses.

Crowds have been heard to shout "Sonia Gandhi, Zindabad (Long live Sonia
Gandhi!)!" Almost every visitor of importance to Delhi pays a courtesy call at
Number 10, Janpath - the home of the Gandhis where Sonia has continued to live.

The Congress Party needs her help: it has suffered major setbacks including
the resignations of several senior party leaders, including two former
ministers.
Sonia Gandhi's entry into the election campaign helped revitalise the
Congress Party, and saved it from total humiliation in the vote.
 
vicky84 said:
I remember after Rajiv Gandhi's assassination , congress became weaker and was struggling with lack of leadership. And consequently party got weaker. But as soon as Sonia took the leadership, Congress party got strong anf got back on track. I wonder whats the magic behind this "Gandhi" word? May be Desi can explain. :)
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Since you asked let me explain.


भाजपा का हाल उसी ऑफिस जैसा है जिसमे आगे बढ़ने की प्रति स्पर्धा राजनीति पैदा करती है जिसके द्वारा साथ काम करने वाले काम मैं कम और एक दुसरे को काटने मैं ज्यादा ध्यान देते है वहीं उसके विपरीत कांग्रेस मैं धारणा ये है की कुछ भी कर लो उच्च पद पर गाँधी नाम के व्यक्ति को ही विराजना है तो लोग पार्टी के प्रति काम पर ज्यादा ध्यान देते है गाँधी जी को खुश करने के लिए, जिससे पार्टी एक जुट होती है और एक दुसरे ही ज्यादा काट नहीं होती

इस बात का दूसरा फ़ायदा ये होता है की गाँधी नाम के लोगो को पता है की कुछ हो जाये उन्हें कहीं नहीं जाना तो वो लालच मैं आ कर छोटे निजी फायदे के लिए पार्टी हित को कुर्बान नहीं करते और पार्टी गुटबाजी से दूर रहती है ... कांग्रेस मैं भी गुटबाजी है पर वो उस हद्द तक नहीं पहुँचती जो पार्टी को नुकसान करे क्यूंकि सब को पता है की डोर आखिरकार उसी गाँधी के हाथ मैं है जिसने हमेशा वहीं रहना है

तीसरी और सबसे अहम् बात , इस गाँधी नाम की चतुकर्ता करने के लिए पूरी पार्टी एक जुट हो कर प्रचार करती है जबकि भाजपा मैं कोई मोदी का प्रचार करता है तो जेटली की बुराई, कोई अडवाणी का प्रचार करता है तो राजनाथ की बुराई जिसका सीधा असर वोट बैंक पर पड़ता है क्यूंकि आप जितना नाम प्रचार कर के बनाते है उससे ज्यादा दुसरे गुट की बुराई कर के खरभ कर देते है ...
 
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On Rajnath and Sushma I may agree but please don't mention advani's name. He is doing harm to BJP more than anyone or anything.
 
Lack of one central figure, "Saare chaudhary to hauka kaun bhare" same is happening with BJP. If there would have been one person just like "Sonia in congress" things would have been in favor of BJP
 
Prikshit said:
Lack of one central figure, "Saare chaudhary to hauka kaun bhare" same is happening with BJP. If there would have been one person just like "Sonia in congress" things would have been in favor of BJP
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For BJP, the biggest problem is sidelining of the leaders who have built it, Murli Manohar Joshi and Advani were the two people who made BJP but Vajpayee became the PM. How many people knew Vajpayee before he became PM? He forfeited his deposit in one of the election in 50s or 60s , he use to change his statements like anything, under his leader we had Kargil war where many JATs died(app 350) but for what,apne ghar se log nikalane k liye? WE had operation prakaram but what we got out of that other than exchequer loss of 10k crore so for me he was never charismatic leader and never will be.He got the fruit of Advani and MM Joshi.

N another problem you can see is people who have never contested election(like Jaitely) are distributing seat so this is expected and if he remain at the helm then you will see UPA-3. another point, in Haryana there party chief is Ram bilas sharma, ebb haryana mein Jat ko nhi banayengey to jit lengey kya n yahi problem inki har jagah hai.

BJP formed the govt primarily on two factor , construction of Ram mandir and removal of article 370.At the end of none was done and BJP supported felt that they have been swindled and they never came back to them.

It is not only Sonia Prikshit but Sonia GANDHI and that is what matters.
 
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Winning elections is a different ball game ...BJP did pretty good in under Vajpayee, but lost elections .Congress purchased MPs when Commis withdrew their support and won elections again; and Rajnath and Sushma are not mass leaders. If they want to win, I think they have to give more weightage to leaders like Vasundhra , Shivraj singh, Raman Singh and of-course Modi!
In all three elections ( Karnatka, HP and Uttrakhand ) where BJP lost, the incumbency factor played a big role. I can say Congress is lucky enough to be an second option in many states, and where its not a second option, its out of power for very very long time ( Bihar, TN, West Bengal ). Once BJP starts promoting the state leaders, they will get better results.

desijat said:
Advani, Rajnath, Sushma are some of the finest and well-experienced politicians
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SumitJattan said:
Winning elections is a different ball game ...BJP did pretty good in under Vajpayee, but lost elections .Congress purchased MPs when Commis withdrew their support and won elections again; and Rajnath and Sushma are not mass leaders. If they want to win, I think they have to give more weightage to leaders like Vasundhra , Shivraj singh, Raman Singh and of-course Modi!
In all three elections ( Karnatka, HP and Uttrakhand ) where BJP lost, the incumbency factor played a big role. I can say Congress is lucky enough to be an second option in many states, and where its not a second option, its out of power for very very long time ( Bihar, TN, West Bengal ). Once BJP starts promoting the state leaders, they will get better results.
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I somewhere agree but disagree as well.

One common problem we all agree and disagree upon right now is that they have too many leaders, if we add more it only ads more to the problem. But having said that, the kind of leaders you mentioned are real grassroot leaders and should have a national say.
 
Prikshit said:
On Rajnath and Sushma I may agree but please don't mention advani's name. He is doing harm to BJP more than anyone or anything.
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समय समय की बात हैं , आज लोग जिस आडवाणी पर पार्टी को नुकसान पाहुचाने का आरोप लगा रहे हैं कभी इसी आडवाणी ने इस भाजपा मे जान फूंकी थी | 1990-91 से पहले भाजपा का वजूद लगभग ना के बराबर ही था , परंतु 1991 की आडवाणी की रथ यात्रा ने इस पार्टी मे एक नई जान डाल दी और आखिर मे वहीं हुआ जो होता आया हैं जब राज की बारी आई तो तिलकधारी कुर्सी पर आ बैठे जिनका कभी नाम तक़ नहीं सुना था | ये तिलकधारी दिमाग से मार मारते हैं , उस वक़्त इन लोगो ने आडवाणी को राम मंदिर के मुद्दे पर इस्तेमाल किया , जब केंद्र मे सत्ता की बारी आई तो आडवाणी भी गायब और राम मंदिर मुद्दा भी | और आज ये तिलकधारी उसी आडवाणी पर पार्टी को नुकसान पहुचाने का आरोप लगा रहे हैं | इन तिलकधारीयो से तो काला चोर ठीक |
 
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