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i want to know your ideas and views on that boys are best or girl are best. All of you know in few years ago girls have no more chance to do any thing and society was also not permitted them to participate in any work excluding house work. But at present senario has completly changed. Now a days girls are standing equally with boys. They are also particpating in many work with the boys. Many girls are working many fields that fileds were asigned only to boys in past. now a days girls are demanding for an equal position with the boys.

But here a question arised that do they diserve for a equal position with the boys. are girls capable to handle all kind of responsibilities ?

any one want to put up his valuable ideas then welcome.
 
My Dear Mukesh,

Best in any field is not sex dependent. Perseverance and dedication among other things are prerequisites to excel in any field. Male dominated societies still want to believe that women are some how weaker gender but the proof is in the pudding. By your own admission girls are doing better than boys. Sooner boys get this message better they can prepare themselves to compete with them. But if they want to bury their head in the sand there is no remedy. It should be sufficient to say that inspite of biological differences the performance in any job is not gender dependent. Whoever dedicates himself or herself succeeds. There should be no doubt about it. It is not upto boys to decide what girls deserve. They will take it whether boys like it or not.
 
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Biologically the girls have quicker take off than the boys, but in long run the boys take over the girls. This I am talking of the majority and not the few exceptions.

Rajendra
 
Once we were talking on the same topic when my cousine referred to women folk as "bechari" ladki to kajor hoti hain. My bhabhi, his wife, who was also present their got really furious and said "ladki kamjor kis tarahiya ho sai". Main thare gharan 50 kos tai aake, thamne sara nai dekhan lagi rhi. Main thare saare kunbe nai gali doon, teri maa tai ladu, teri bahan bol ke dikha de mere aage. Arr tu mhare ghana ja ke bol ke dikha de, jai tere paache nai na tod de tai." ha..ha.. ha.. Though in lighter vain, this sums up the whole issue. Though physically girls may not be that strong, mentally they are much stronger than boys. Girls can adapt themselves in all situations whereas boys become jittery even at small things. A widow can bring up her kids without any help whereas a widower will have difficulty. The recent incident in Asanda also showed the mental grit of girls, while Ram Pal proved weak Darshna stood like a rock and she was not assisted by any male relative but only her sisters-in-law and mother-in-law. Hence, the bottomline is that even after being physically strong man will need the support of women whereas women can manage even alone. Exceptions are exceptions afterall. Someone has rightly said : "A daughter is a daughter all through life, a son is a son till he gets a wife". We are one of those unfortunate couples, who do not have a daughter.
 
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Depends on the Opportunity & Upbringing...

Dear All,

Very well said Sheorayan Ji and Sehrawat Ji.

I am 100% sure that given equal opportunities and a healthy environment to grow and excel, girls are no less than boys. In fact girls make the best of opportunities that come their way. In my view girls are more tolerant, adaptable, caring, giving, loving, trustworthy and many more things than boys. They face adversity with their chin up.

Families that give equal nutrition, education and freedom to boys and girls know what I am saying. Those who are fortunate to receive the love of their mother, daughter and sister are truly blessed.

But the most important thing is to practice what one teaches!!!!

RAM RAM.

JS Malik
 
Boys and Girls are Equal!

“We are one of those unfortunate couples, who do not have a daughter.”

Bhai tere chhori konya par ebb ek bhanji jaroor milgi -- woh bhi chhae (6) footie, aachha sa bhaat tyar kar liye! Just kidding!

Are girls equal to boys? Actually a more appropriate question will be “Are they being treated equal to boys?” I read it somewhere, “To be a child is to know the beauty of living – but to have a child is to know beauty of life!” How can then one in right mind not treat that life equally, boy or a girl? Such stereotypical mentality that boys are superior to girls stems from ignorance and pure greed. The first and foremost responsibility of a parent is to make the child realize his or her potential unconditionally. Girls may differ from boys biologically but that hasn’t stopped them to limit their potential, do the names Amelia Earhart, Indira Gandhi, Kiran Bedi, Kalpana Chawala, Hilary Clinton ring any bells?

One question for you Mukesh:

If and when you have a daughter will you tell her:

“It is your future but to make it bright is my duty, therefore I will support you all the way!”

or would you tell her:

“No dear, you shall be content being a housewife, that’s what you were born to be and that’s what the world expects of you!”

Hopefully these two statements will dispel the myth in your mind!
 
Dera friends,

Statistics does not prove that girls and boys perform equally or can perform equally even after providing equal opportunities. One may talk of high sounding philosophical stuff, but facts do not support that boys and girls can perform equally under same stress conditions. Quoting few examples is not statistically significant. In west girls are highly liberated, but still there are hardly any prime ministers ( except a margret thacher here and there). USA did not have a single female president till date. Even if I am asked to forget the past, future also does not indicate that the girls will take over the boys. For every Kalpna chawla, there are hoards of names of boys performing the same thing.

As parents we all give equal opportunities to our kids, but fact remains that in the long race of life only the boys sustain and for one or the other reason the girls fall on way side. One may cite many reasons for this, but this is how the things are..May be this is how the GOD has created the either sex.

Though there is a general precption that the place of a girl is in kitchen, but even there the top places are with males. I hardly know many females who are top chefs in hotels..Please don't blame that females did not get the chance to get into making foods...

So in summary I would say that though girls can perform all the tasks, but their numbers are statistically far too small in most of the fields...including on Jatland...hahhahaaaa

Regards
Rajendra
 
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Dear Rajendra Ji,

Not many people will agree to your philosophy about girls. The societies had been predominently male dominated and hence the girls did not get much opportunities. If they are more boys for each Kalpana Chawla, then the reason is not that they are better, but they did get more opportunities then the girls. We have seen it happening in past. The good thing is, the system is changing and girls are now getting closer to equal opportunity, among educated families atleast. Subhchand Ji had sais absolutely right that success is not sex dependent. We have seen more male political leaders than girls, not because male are better than females, but because there are more men in politics then women. Since women give birth to children they are traditionally more close to children then men. Probably, if between the couple only one needs to work outside, it is the man in most cases, and hence most of them sacrifice their personal ambitions for the family needs.

I personally feel, any one who works hard can become best whether male or female.
 
men usually think that girls are not competent enough to take up equal responsibilities and are competing with men in the workforce. well it is mostly their ego which does not allow them to accept women there.
And women being generally less agresive and more soft make sacrifices for the sake of family. Any society which do not consider the rights of the half population (women) cannot progress much.
 
It is a pity that SCs/STs are enjoying the fruits of reservations on the ground of having been deprived in earlier times. Why the same logic is not applied when it comes to reservations for women ? Women were and still are ebing deprived of equal opportunities. Even in our own families we have seen parents worried about the future of their sons but not thinking of the future of their daughters. Whatever percentage of girls have come forward is not because of equal treatment or opportunity but because of surplus resources. They were given proper education because the parents could afford after taking care of the boys. Girls are still considered a liability and the the only worry to parents is to marry them off instead of giving them good education. It is common sight in villages when children become teenagers parents give them ghee but put restrictions on girls by not allowing them to even go out with friends. I have come across parents who deny proper diet to girls saying "isne ke faul main bharti hona sai". It is a blatant discrimination agianst half the population of the country. But their is a light at the end of tunnle in the sense that at least the educated people have started treating their daughters at par with sons.
 
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Dear Rajendra Ji,

Not many people will agree to your philosophy about girls. The societies had been predominently male dominated and hence the girls did not get much opportunities. If they are more boys for each Kalpana Chawla, then the reason is not that they are better, but they did get more opportunities then the girls. We have seen it happening in past. The good thing is, the system is changing and girls are now getting closer to equal opportunity, among educated families atleast. Subhchand Ji had sais absolutely right that success is not sex dependent. We have seen more male political leaders than girls, not because male are better than females, but because there are more men in politics then women. Since women give birth to children they are traditionally more close to children then men. Probably, if between the couple only one needs to work outside, it is the man in most cases, and hence most of them sacrifice their personal ambitions for the family needs.

I personally feel, any one who works hard can become best whether male or female.
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I know sir that not many will agree with my stand on the topic. I am expressing my views based upon hard data and not the general feelings. Its of no use saying that if some one is given opportunity, then he or she can perform some thing great. Getting opportunity is also the part of one's ability. By that logic I can also say that if given the opportunity, I can prove to be much better president than Bush...Opportunities are not given, they are taken. Only those girls who understood this, could make it to the top.

Its highly misplaced that girls are more soft spoken than boys. Ladies in power are more arrogant than men. I am sure this can be easily verified from those who have been close to Indira Gandhi and other similar females.

Rajendra
 
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Rajendraji, first of all we have to give opportunity to the girl child of free birth, second opportunity to them of equal treatment in upbringing and education, and once they are at par with boys in education, only then we can judge their ability and performance. How many of us allow our sisters and daughters to go out and see/experience the world ? Most of the ladies I personally know in education and civil service fields were given the preliminary opportunities of good upbringing coupled with good education which they fully utilized to bring themselves at par with boys. Most of the teachers, civil servants, scientists, even enterpreneurs are not there just because they were given any special consideration or relaxation for being girls but because they grabbed those positions through competition with boys. The figures issued by various education boards every year show girls outperforming boys. As regards arrogance, it is a quality from which human race as a whole suffer, it cannot be ascribed to any particular sex. It is a manifestation of defective upbringing, nothing more and nothing less. If India Gandhi was arrogant, some people even call Nehru arrogant. Wasn't Motilal Nehru the king of arrogants ? I think it was in genes ! For some of our friends they may be the most soft spoken people ever born, and those friends must be getting ready to pounce on me with their tel chadhi lathis for having called their leaders arrogant ! Hence, these things are very subjective.
 
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“So in summary I would say that though girls can perform all the tasks, but their numbers are statistically far too small in most of the fields...including on Jatland...hahhahaaaa”

Rajendraji:

A lot of your arguments are legitimate and well founded, but most often the way you present them dilutes the intensity of a well intended discussion. The conversation here is whether girls are capable of competing with boys and should be given due consideration vs. the hard data on their current economical and or social status. I don’t understand the reason for your celebratory “hahahaahhahahoing” on important issues such as the one in question? I as a woman feel utterly disgusted at your laughter on meager representation of educated girls/women on Jatland. I don’t find it funny at all.

“I am expressing my views based upon hard data and not the general feelings.”

Response: A ripple effect from change in the general feelings can lead to change in the hard data, hopefully in favor of the girls.

“It’s of no use saying that if some one is given opportunity, then he or she can perform some thing great.”

Response: So you have two sets of standards, one for your two daughters (educated and well placed) and the other for rest of the Jat girls? You gave opportunity to your two daughters regardless of the hard data? Wonder why?

One question: Do you consider the women in power (educated and empowerd) to be arrogant?
 
Sujata Ji,

Here are my answers to some of your points;


Sujata: A lot of your arguments are legitimate and well founded, but most often the way you present them dilutes the intensity of a well intended discussion. The conversation here is whether girls are capable of competing with boys and should be given due consideration vs. the hard data on their current economical and or social status. I don’t understand the reason for your celebratory “hahahaahhahahoing” on important issues such as the one in question? I as a woman feel utterly disgusted at your laughter on meager representation of educated girls/women on Jatland. I don’t find it funny at all.

ANSWER: I strongly believe that even such important issues can be discussed by adding some humour. Number of active female memebres on Jatland came very handy to explain my views. Cherity begins at home and I see no reason why female memebrs on Jatland should be so few ? Has Jatland denied oppotunity to them ? There are lots of highly educated professionals of them in USA, but we hardly see much contributions from them even on such so called serious issues. What prevents them taking the opportunity and expressing their views? Don't tell me that their husbands don't give them access to internet..
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Sujata: So you have two sets of standards, one for your two daughters (educated and well placed) and the other for rest of the Jat girls? You gave opportunity to your two daughters regardless of the hard data? Wonder why?

Answer: Trust me, I always have one set of standarads, be it my daughters, wife, sister or any other female. As father I could give only my part of opportunities, but I know what they have not been able to use and have no intention of using at all. I am sure most fathers do their best for their daughters, but in the end they also have to take some stand in life. Once again to clarify my point, I am once again citing the examples of Kerala and Sweden where women are given all the opportunities. Can any one name me how many of them have been able to make to the top?
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One question: Do you consider the women in power (educated and empowerd) to be arrogant?

Answer: Please read my response when I said that women in power are no less arrogant than the men. It was said in context when some one wrote that women are more soft spoken than men. This was not directed towards all educated and powerful women. Trust me, I have followed quite a few of women all along their career ladder and I found no difference between them and men as far as arrogance is concerned. Rather I found their arrogance levels rising must faster than man as their career progressed. Its highly misplaced that women have softer heart. Phoolan Devi was no less cruel than any other decoit. Noor Jahan was no less ruthless than any other Mughal rular. I can quote lots and lots of examples to support my point of view.

Rajendra
 
Yaar, we may think that we are the macho, real alpha males, but when it comes to who runs the roost it is the woman! Don't kid yourself that you are the one taking the decisions [in for example; the house]...women just have a demure way of getting around and making sure things happen the way they had wanted them to in the first place!... :rolleyes:

I think women can give men a run for their money is mostly everything....

Anyways, BUT still my two cents here on this topic would be to add this enormous desperate wish that only...if only they would become just a little better somehow at Driving on the streets!!! :D
 
Dear all of you
First of all I would like to say thanks to all of you for your valuable thoughts on the topic “ who are the best”. All of you have posted very nice arguments on your sides.
Here I want to draw your attention on some below points regarding to this topic: -
We know very well that now a days girls are performing very well in every field. They are standing with the boys. Many girls are doing jobs (Naukari) in many fields. It is a good sign to our country. But before some days ago I have read a report on the current condition of the girls in India that was printed in a leading newspaper of India. In that news I have read that 28% jobs are doing by girls in both the sectors (government or private). Among them only 6% girls have must need for jobs and remaining 22% girls are doing job only for their interest not for need. At that time one thought clicked my mind that our country’s unemployment rate is 6% of total employees. If these remaining 22% girls will be ready to leave their jobs and offer to the need able persons (boys and girls) then the more part of the problem of unemployment automatically will be removed from our nation. But as far as I think it is not possible because they (girls) will never agree on that point. As I think their interest became an obstacle on the path of those boys and girls who have a need for jobs in reality. Some people think that girls have no need for a job because it is boy’s responsibilities to fulfill the requirement of a family. It may be true according to the rules and structure of our Indian society. I have seen many families in which both wife and husband are doing jobs and on other side there are many families in which both are unemployed. So in my view only those girls should do job who have must need for a job. I know very well it is not justifying but to do a job for need is more important in comparison to interest.
2. In these days girls are demanding for an equal opportunity with boys. But in other side there are many fields in which girls have a monopoly. In these field boys have no chance to perform such as Airhostess, Counselor of an organization, Receptionists in a Hotel, Nursing, so on so. In these fields boys have less chance to get a job. Why it is so. If we are talking about the same level then these fields also should be opened for boys.
 
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Opportunties, Tendencies, Future etc.

We all present our views on anything the way we perceive it. So, here are mine.

First, at the outset, let me make my comment on dear Rajendra's perceived sense of humor in his ubiquitous use of "hahahahhahaha". Sujata Ji is very kind in pointing in that often well intended, constructive and serious message can be diluted by some silly gestures. Keep in mind we all can be (and often are) silly in front of a mirror in our bathrooms, but in presenting ourselves to others, it is the others whose opinions count after our presentations. Think of sitting in a conference room with a dozen executives discussing issues and one person starts "hahahahahaoing" after every input. I will live it to your imagination the response of others in the room.

Now, the issue of genders.

1. No scientific study (that I am aware of) supports that one gender possesses superior brains than the other. Physical attributes and constraints are a different matter, and they don't define any superiority either as each gender has a role. Now the question is:

How do we use/misuse our brains?

So many factors play out their roles. Of course, opportunities play the vital roles. God or creation has little to do with results. Girls are equally capable of achieving optimal use of their abilities, and these days they are doing a lot better in visible ways than they did some fifty years ago. The brains configurations have not changed, what have changed are the opportunities and our social mind sets. Recall that even in the United States of America women were not allowed to vote even in the beginning of 20th century. That has nothing to do with brains or God's will.

2. Our social conditionings play a very decisive role and habits are hard to rid off, when you struggle to change things that have become part of life. A great and educational example can be seen in the show called "The Apprentices" that has been running on GE's broadcast networks. Donald Trump (the famous billionaire real estate developer) is the star of the show and he chooses in real life some 16 young people including boys and girls. His aim is to pick ONE person whom he will hire to run one of his companies at a very high salary. He has a weeding out process. He divides them in two groups and gives them weekly tasks to perform. From the group that under performs, he fires one person at a time based on the recommendations of the group. He continues the process and finally picks one person for his job. Sure it is real life drama but it publicly reveals certain noticeable traits. In the last episode, the girls groups had a such bad internal fight and bickering that their mutual behavoiur became a talking points. They obviously were hurting themselves in the behaviour. We can see that in our family lives as well. The reasons for this kind of waste of energy could be attributed to many factors including the ages-old male behaviour towards the female class. I have not read any study on this.

3. Times are changing and we, as a human race, have progressed much and a lot more is needed. I am sure that one day both genders will feel the same way about everything that matters in life.
 
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bnashier said:
Think of sitting in a conference room with a dozen executives discussing issues and one person starts "hahahahahaoing" after every input. I will live it to your imagination the response of others in the room.
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Janab Nashier Sahab ! hum etne bhi bhaand nahi hain ki har input par hahahaoing karte hain....haan jahan hansee ki baat aati hai to chance ko bilkul miss nahi karte....LOL

RK^2
 
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Rajendraji:

By your own admission, saying

1. “There are lots of highly educated professionals of them (Jat women) in USA, but we hardly see much contribution from them even on such so called serious issues.”

Does not equate

“Though girls can perform all the tasks, but their numbers are statistically far too small in most of the fields...including on Jatland...hahhahaaaa”

Secondly, for your kind information, in addition to many other women contributing morally and emotionally to this site, at least I know 3 women personally who have contributed for Jatland’s upkeep so that issues of such relevance can be discussed. Now that wouldn’t happen if their husbands kept them in shackles? Would it?

2. “I see no reason why female memebrs on Jatland should be so few? Has Jatland denied oppotunity to them ?”

Response: Do you mean all the “male” Jatlanders have contributed significantly to the effect that we have made some sort of giant leap in uplifting ourselves?

3. “Charity begins at home and I see no reason why female members on Jatland should be so few?”

Response: Let us not evade the truth and mix issues here. Why more women don’t register on Jatland or why a vast majority of the currently registered don’t contribute more actively should be discussed under a separate thread. Remember the premise of our discussion was, “Whether boys and girls are equal?”

4. “Don't tell me that their husbands don't give them access to internet.”

Response: Only a person of your stature can make such outrageous and unfounded comments. This again can not be translated into “women on Jatland not being treated equal to their spouses!”

5. “I am once again citing the examples of Kerala and Sweden where women are given all the opportunities. Can any one name me how many of them have been able to make to the top?”

Response: Financial or social empowerment does not mean one has to be on top, it simply means being able to upgrade one’s life to the extent that it makes one independent and successful. I am not an anthropologist, however, just to prove you wrong I can at least vouch for two Kerala women of world prominence. Do the names “Pilavullakandi Thekkeparambil Usha (PT Usha the first Indian woman to reach the final of an Olympic event), and Anju George (first Indian woman to win a bronze medal at the World Athletics Championships, Paris 2003) ring any bell? What is more amazing is the fact that of the overall Literacy Rate of 90% in Kerala nearly 88% are women, compared to Haryana, where of the 55% of the literate 69% are men, and only 40% women of which 24% account for schedule caste women?

6. “Please read my response when I said that women in power are no less arrogant than the men. It was said in context when some one wrote that women are more soft spoken than men. This was not directed towards all educated and powerful women. Trust me, I have followed quite a few of women all along their career ladder and I found no difference between them and men as far as arrogance is concerned. Rather I found their arrogance levels rising must faster than man as their career progressed. It’s highly misplaced that women have softer heart.”

Response: Alas, all you could come up with was one dreaded name, Phoolan Devi, for heaven’s sake let us not kid ourselves by such vain arguments!

7. “Janab Nashier Sahab ! hum etne bhi bhaand nahi hain ki har input par hahahaoing karte hain....haan jahan hansee ki baat aati hai to chance ko bilkul miss nahi karte....LOL”

How so proud we are to have a magnanimous member among Jatlanders who finds women’s issues to be a laughing matter! By posting this absolutely childish comment you have brought your utterances to an all time low! Sorry Rajendraji, you will not be able to provoke me further with your substandard substance on women’s issues.

Aapki baal ki khaal nikaalne ki aadat hai, aur humari khaam-e-khan dakiyanoosi se dur rehne ki. So, for the entire barrage that is yet to come from you on this posting let me offer a compromise: “I am not deaf, I am ignoring you!”
 
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