Who is communal ???

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Narendra Modi is a criminal barred from EU and US. He had hand in gujarat riots. Tell us what abominable, criminal deeds did Manmohan Singh ever did? Do not make it a party issue. It is individual issue. Party is made up of individuals good and bad.
 
EU nd USA are not the supreme authority to declare someone in india as convict or criminal... all these countries will be rolling red carpet welcome to modi, in case he is crowned as pm of india.
 
None of them is communal or secular.. They are just politicians.. Anything to grab power.. Since the Gujarat riots, Nobody has been able to move Modi out of power in Gujarat so BJP knows that Hindutva works.. Congress knows they have to please Muslims to counteract the votes of Right Wing Hindus.. Its all politics.... And in this country they can get away with this because every body is Hindu, Muslim, Sikh before being Indian... and as someone has already said this fight will never stop, once we get past religion, there will be differentiation based on Jats, Brahmins, banias.... Politicians will keep on taking advantage of this....
 
EU nd USA are not the supreme authority to declare someone in india as convict or criminal... all these countries will be rolling red carpet welcome to modi, in case he is crowned as pm of india.

Does it suits you that Indian Press is declaring him criminal? Are ALL OF THEM also LIARS also?
Here:
http://www.tehelka.com/story_main30.asp?filename=Ne190507Fake_killingsCS.asp
http://www.tehelka.com/story_main30.asp?filename=Ne190507The_cmCS.asp

Besides tehelka I am sure many more journalists have reached the same conclusion also just like they did about sajjan Kumar.

If they are all liars then why don't these gentlemen take them to courts?

If he is such a great man why is nitish kumar not allowing him to campaign for him in bihar?

All evidence points against your friends. You lose.
 
Does it suits you that Indian Press is declaring him criminal? Are ALL OF THEM also LIARS also?
Here:
http://www.tehelka.com/story_main30.asp?filename=Ne190507Fake_killingsCS.asp
http://www.tehelka.com/story_main30.asp?filename=Ne190507The_cmCS.asp

Besides tehelka I am sure many more journalists have reached the same conclusion also just like they did about sajjan Kumar.

If they are all liars then why don't these gentlemen take them to courts?

If he is such a great man why is nitish kumar not allowing him to campaign for him in bihar?

All evidence points against your friends. You lose.
1. i n'vr said tht he is a gr8 man, but for sure he is the man having more iron muscles than any of his contemporaries... can be a good PM if voted to power.
2. if nitish is not inviting him to campaign then its his problem, not mine... nd btw kya nitish mein sur khaab ke par lage hein, so as to take his words as thumb rule.

tarun j. tejpal, the editor-in-chief and publisher of tehelka regularly gets blank cheques from arab countries to target BJP nd hindus only, it is said.

so who do you think owns the media here. chk this out
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http://www.jatland.com/forums/showpost.php?p=190643&postcount=71
 
1. i n'vr said tht he is a gr8 man, but for sure he is the man having more iron muscles than any of his contemporaries... can be a good PM if voted to power.
2. if nitish is not inviting him to campaign then its his problem, not mine... nd btw kya nitish mein sur khaab ke par lage hein, so as to take his words as thumb rule.

tarun j. tejpal, the editor-in-chief and publisher of tehelka regularly gets blank cheques from arab countries to target BJP nd hindus only, it is said.

so who do you think owns the media here. chk this out
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http://www.jatland.com/forums/showpost.php?p=190643&postcount=71

If he let armed gangs to attack unarmed people how is it that he has more iron muscles then others? Has he got any muscle in him at all? He is himself hiding behind some kind of protection when giving speeches to protect himself from shoe throwers. He is no iron man. He is just a divisive, 2 bit loser playing on religious emotions to gain political capital. Even mumbia's hero - Major Unnikrishnan's family refused to let him enter their house.
Show the proof that tehelka owner is being paid by arab countries to target only the bjp and hindus. Tehelka is exposing everyone involved in misdeeds including congressmen.
 
Dear Aman
with your catch line 'with malice towards none'..... i want to say that in India we are interpreting communalism in the opposite way compared to oother parts of the world, everywhere communalism is the factor which unites various communities..... the word sectarianism is COMMUNALISM in India..... Here it is not the question of who is communal.... but the question is who is communal in a bad way (Sactarian)....... on this point I think all the politicians qualify....... It is not Narender Modi or LK Advani or Manmohan or Varun Gandhi or x or y or z....... but everybody........ they care for their vote vote bank and how to get back to power.... so they are using various tactics, and we the common people, who hardly has any say in politics are seething anger on each other......
Our main object should be WE should not be communal.........
 
The Secular Class

Dear Friends,
Here is a contribution from Dr. Jagdish Tummala which helps clarify the "secular" discussion.

THE SECULAR CLASS

As I sit in my home in Detroit, Michigan, watching all the drama that
is unfolding in the General Elections of 2009, I wonder how far the
truth can be stretched. I am quite disillusioned by the definition of
secularism being proscribed and prescribed to the Indian public. I was
wondering what a lesson in secularism would be like if there was one;
so, I thought of this fantasy classroom where secularism is being
taught by a Mr. Secular Indian to his Gullible disciples who are
pursuing a political career as a secular politician . Now tighten
your seat belts and start thinking. Think what your definition of
secularism is?


Mr. Secular Indian: I welcome you disciples to your first day in
class. I know you people are obsessed with the idea of secularism,
but I will help you build on this idea today which will benefit you
tremendously in your political careers; so, let us start by taking
some questions.

A Gullible disciple: I am confused about the idea of secularism. I
feel I am a secular person, but when I see some of our English
channels and listen to our politicians, I feel I am not - How do I
get over this dilemma ?

Mr. Secular Indian: What makes you feel as though you are not secular
?

A Gullible disciple: I find myself agreeing to some of the views of
BJP, especially on terror, international policies and common civil
code etc. But the very next moment, when the panelists on these shows
call it a farce and communal, I feel I am communal too.

Mr. Secular Indian: First things first. You cannot be called secular,
If you agree with the BJP. You have to be a staunch opponent of BJP
policies irrespective of whether you feel they are right or wrong. Be
careful, you will be tagged as a communal instantaneously if you agree
with them. It would not matter what you think about the upliftment of
minorities.

A gullible disciple: Some politicians are even called communal if
they go to a temple or wear saffron clothes, what do you think of
that?

Mr. Secular Indian: Well, you cannot wear any identity that could
relate you to a majority community. You can go to the temple every
now and then but make sure nobody is watching you. This might come to
haunt you later in your political career. At the same time make sure
you make frequent visits to churches and mosques and also meet some
religious leaders, but this time makes sure you do it in front of the
full glare of the media.

 
The secular class

Meanwhile a Muslim gullible disciple jumps in and asks:

A gullible Muslim disciple: I go to mosques every Friday. Would I
have to be careful too ? Also would I have to meet some swami jis in
front of the media?

Mr. Secular Indian: No, this does not apply to you as you belong to a
minority community. In fact, if someone questions you about any aspect
of your faith, just call for protection of your rights and your
secular friends will take care of the rest. Talking about you meeting
swamis, this could severely dent your chances of being a secular
politician and your credentials might get questioned, even if you
have to do that, do it behind the cameras.

A gullible Muslim disciple: I find myself agreeing with the BJP
sometimes, especially about the introduction of a common civil code.
I feel a different civil code for the Muslims is only alienating them
and I do not agree with some of it’s clauses. How do I express this
view?

Mr. Secular Indian: Again, the golden rule is, you cannot agree with
the BJP at any cost. Even if the BJP is trying to do some good for
the minorities, you will need to portray the evil in it. These are
the times when your secular credentials will be tested. Remember, you
being a Muslim and finding any of BJP’s comment acceptable, can
spell doom to your political career. Common civil code might be
necessary for the upliftment of the Muslims, but it is not acceptable
to the Muslim masses. You can only take popular decisions in politics
irrespective of the consequences.

A gullible disciple: I believe we would need to work hard for the
upliftment of the minority masses to be called a secular.
Mr. secular Indian: Not necessarily, as long as you are anti-BJP and
are making speeches condoning Hindutva, you need not do anything,
just tell the minorities that you will protect them from the Hindutva
forces and hope they might vote for you. At the same time, it can be
dangerous if you try to bring a lot of development in the minority
dominated areas as this would mean land occupations for roads,
building, and schools instead of madrases etc.. It might be popular
among few, but the masses would not like it. Always stay away from
such controversies in the minority dominated areas. Moreover,
educating them might harm you in the long run, as you might not be
able to use them as vote banks.

A gullible disciple: What are the advantages of being a secular
politician?

Mr. secular Indian: Numerous! Firstly, it negates several ills. You
can be a gangster, a rapist or a murderer and you can still be called
a good politician with an honest ideology if you are secular. You will
be acceptable to all the secular parties and will never be treated as
an untouchable in politics. Moreover, if you have any criminal cases
or CBI cases pending against you, just lend support to a secular
party at the centre and be rest assured that all the CBI cases
against you will be withdrawn. Another advantage is you can win
elections without doing any public service. Look at all the states
which are dominated by these secular parties. They do not have to do
any public work or develop anything. These states continue to lag
behind in all human development indices. They know that as long as
they are secular, their chances of remaining in power are high.

A gullible disciple: How do I tackle riots which are so rampant in
our society?

Mr. secular Indian: Wait until the riots have subsided, you need not
mobilise any forces to tackle these riots. But make sure you put the
entire blame on the hindutva forces for the riots. Also portray the
BJP as an accomplice and be very vocal about it in the media. This
will exonerate you from being complacent during the riots. Look at
the Mumbai riots and Babri demolition for example. A secular
government was at the centre on both these occasions. They even
agreed to these events tacitly, if not directly involved and let
nature take its own course. But they make sure even to this day that
they blame the BJP for anything and everything that happened. I am
sure they could have done something about it, but they opted not to.
Instead, they used it to their advantage and portrayed the BJP as the
only evil. This is a great example of how you can maintain your
secular credentials by just blaming the BJP, even though you were
involved yourself.

A gullible disciple: Can you tackle Jihadi terrorism and maintain
your secular credentials?
 
the Secular class

Mr. secular Indian: You have to be very careful when talking about
tackling Jihadi terrorism. This is a condition you should be able to
mend to your advantage. You should oppose every law that asks for a
strong action against Jihadis. This will win you a lot of secular
votes. In fact, if anybody tries to condemn Jihadis, reply to them by
talking about Hindutva terrorism and always portray Hindutva terrorism
to be a greater threat than the Jihadis. Also, try to magnify every
violent incident associated with the Hindutva forces and make them
look bigger and more threatening than the Jihadis. You will be
surprised to know how many hearts you will win.

A gullible disciple: Muslims are equally affected by Jihadi
terrorism. What if they do not agree to our idea of being soft on
terror?

Mr. secular Indian: You have to create a fear psychosis among the
Muslims and tell them that the fight against Jihadis is actually a
fight against Islam. Tell them all the stories about how young
Muslims are being tortured in the name of this fight against the
Jihadis and that this fight would only create more terrorists.

A gullible disciple: What if the majority community gets angry with
us for being soft on terrorism?

Mr. secular Indian: You have to make sure that the majority community
is not majority anymore by dividing them into multiple factions in the
name of caste or regions or languages and so on. Then select some
large but disenchanted groups among them and promise them greater
opportunity in every field. Now you will be left with a select few
smaller groups which will question you. This is where you have to
work like a salesman and try to sell your idea of secularism. If they
still question you, threaten them with thoughts that they might be
tagged communal if they support the same ideas as those being
supported by the BJP. This works wonderfully and helps people soften
their stance on terrorism.

A gullible disciple: How can we deal with the symbols of worship and
religion and still be secular?

Mr secular Indian: You do not have to worry about the symbols of a
majority religion like Ram Sethu etc., but make sure you divide the
majority community so much that they start believing that the
artificial lines created by you are more important than their
religious identity. If they still persist on retaining their
identity, then tell them that they could be identified with the
communal forces. This helps even hardliners change their stance. Then
you can even talk about destroying those symbols to appease the
secular forces. At the same time make sure you never do anything to
dilute the sentiments of a minority community. Remember, this
sentiment is your bread and butter. Your entire survival depends on
the minorities retaining their religious identity.

A gullible disciple: How can we tackle the media?

Mr. secular Indian: The media will give you a red carpet welcome.
Remember, Indian media is the mouth piece of secular forces. They
have been either created by the secular forces or been made to buy
our idea of secularism. They cannot exist in this country if they
differ from our viewpoint. The fear psychosis we have created helps
us to make the media dance to our tunes. When in any TV debates, you
can score a lot of points by making anti BJP rhetoric’s. If you
find yourself in any trouble, just raise the issue of Gujarat riots
and portray Narendra Modi as a devil. You are sure to come out of any
troubled situation.

A gullible disciple: If you are tagged as a communal, is there
anything we can do to get back to the secular brigade?
Mr. secular Indian: This is very simple. It is like conversion from
one religion to the other. The easier we make it, the more it boosts
our strength. Even if you are in the communal alliance for sometime
for your own political advantage, you can dump these communal forces
whenever you feel they are redundant and join the secular brigade.
Remember Naveen Patnaik. He was tagged communal and his party was
called a principal architect of the Kandhmal violence by the Indian
media and the secular forces alike. Though as soon as he dumped the
BJP on the question of ‘winnability’, he became the poster boy
for secularism and everything that happened in Kandhmal was portrayed
as a BJP conspiracy. We made everyone believe that Naveen Patnaik was
just having a difficult time dealing with them. Also remember Kalyan
Singh, the principle architect of Babri demolition is now trying to
jump into the secular bandwagon and the secular forces are trying
every bit to find him a place in their bandwagon. You can perpetrate
the most heinous communal crime, but you can be secular any time you
renegade the BJP. Remember, BJP hatred is the core quality required
to become secular and other factors do not matter as much.
 
I gone through the statements of leaders of two prominent political parties of India. One who claims to be Secular and another who is blaimed to be communal.

Please see the statements below and decide who is communal and who is secular: -

Narender Modi - (communal party)
"When I introduce a new water supply scheme in Gujarat, I always think how many Gujarathis will derive benefit from this scheme. I never care about how many Hindus are going to get benefit or how many muslims will avail benefit or never do calculations like the ratio of quantity of water available to hindu to muslim."


PM Manmohan Singh - (secular party)
"Minorities have special rights on all resources available in this country - particularily muslim community. My Government will provide special care & attention to protect rights & interests of muslim community."


Now i am confused................
I am not able to decide "who is communal and who is secular"

Can somebody help me to come out of this dillema.......???

Bro who cares most of the population in India even doesn't know the meaning of these 2 words!
I don't know who is communal and who is secular but one thing i know is that these guys are justified Terrorists who sits in our elected house.:mad:
 
आज भगत सिन्ह को भी आतन्कवादी की सन्घ्या दे दी है
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Kissne dede bhai Bhagat Sigh ko terrorist ke upadhe :eek:
http://news.oneindia.mobi/2008/07/10/660779.html
http://drishtikone.com/?q=content/bhagat-singh-sukhdev-rajguru-were-terrorists-indian-history-book
http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/6457.html
http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/1039.html

Ek baar Bhagat Singh Terrorist likh ke google search kar.

I haven't expected that you are unaware of this thing. even if you were unaware you would have pointed me very earlier. I want political treads to be dead for atleast a small span of time (3-4 months).
 
Bro who cares most of the population in India even doesn't know the meaning of these 2 words!
I don't know who is communal and who is secular but one thing i know is that these guys are justified Terrorists who sits in our elected house.:mad:


It's only people like you and me who are electing these Terrorists.

Or bhai ye NCERT ki Books ka material pata nahi kaun likhta hai :mad:.....Wo pata na kaunse desh te aa rya se jo Bhagat singh ne terrorist kah raha tha...Or jisne ye likha hoga wo sab te bada secular mana jayega:mad:....
 
http://news.oneindia.mobi/2008/07/10/660779.html
http://drishtikone.com/?q=content/bhagat-singh-sukhdev-rajguru-were-terrorists-indian-history-book
http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/6457.html
http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/1039.html

Ek baar Bhagat Singh Terrorist likh ke google search kar.

I haven't expected that you are unaware of this thing. even if you were unaware you would have pointed me very earlier. I want political treads to be dead for atleast a small span of time (3-4 months).


I was not aware about this sad to know :(
 
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