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Dedee Ji and Ashok Bhai,
Please cool down AND resolve your issues by writing private mails.
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Dharmpal Singh Dudee (Jan 13, 2003 05:44 p.m.):
HISTORY- NAPOLIAN ko yad kar laena.
CH- CHHTU RAM KY DHARAM PITA -
CH- SIR CHHAJU RAM KO BANIYA KAHANA
PHIR MAJAK BANANA
NAEPOLIAN KA HAWALA DEKAR
THIS IS INSULT TO ALL JATS INCLUDING
CH- CHHOTURAM & CH CHHAJU RAM
you shouild be ashamed. this is not joke
My post was regarding Napoleon's view of U.K politics and its effect on world and has nothing to do with Jats -living or dead. I hope this ends all misinterpretations.
Dudee Ji,
Apne samjhane mein galti kar di hei. I think samkaleen ka matlab 'Ek hi samay mein rehne wale" E.g. Aap aur mein bhee samkaeen hein. Lekin agar aapko bura laga ho to, Sorry. Aap hamare bujurg hein aur hum aapko naraj nahin kar sakte. Hum aapki respect karte hein.
Please be assured that there is no intention for the personal attack on anybody.
We all respect and proud on all our JAT leaders the same way as you do. There is not question of disrespecting or anything like that.
So please cool down.
Apne samjhane mein galti kar di hei. I think samkaleen ka matlab 'Ek hi samay mein rehne wale" E.g. Aap aur mein bhee samkaeen hein. Lekin agar aapko bura laga ho to, Sorry. Aap hamare bujurg hein aur hum aapko naraj nahin kar sakte. Hum aapki respect karte hein.
Please be assured that there is no intention for the personal attack on anybody.
We all respect and proud on all our JAT leaders the same way as you do. There is not question of disrespecting or anything like that.
So please cool down.
Dudee Ji,
Koi bhee kisi JAT ko baniya kese bana sakta hei. Aur apne JAT leader ka majak udana to koi soch bhee nahin sakta atlease mein to nahin and Its not a JOKE.
Of course, I would be ashamed if I had really made it a joke.
Sir Chajju Ram ke naam ke samne Seth lagane par mein confuse hoon. Jab unko SIR ka khitab mila hua hei to unka naam always SIR ke saath hi likhna chahiye. I just wanted to convey my message that we should write his name with Sir and not Seth.
Any way no more confusion. I am not gonna write anything on your posts.
Koi bhee kisi JAT ko baniya kese bana sakta hei. Aur apne JAT leader ka majak udana to koi soch bhee nahin sakta atlease mein to nahin and Its not a JOKE.
Of course, I would be ashamed if I had really made it a joke.
Sir Chajju Ram ke naam ke samne Seth lagane par mein confuse hoon. Jab unko SIR ka khitab mila hua hei to unka naam always SIR ke saath hi likhna chahiye. I just wanted to convey my message that we should write his name with Sir and not Seth.
Any way no more confusion. I am not gonna write anything on your posts.
Dharmpal Singh Dudee (Jan 13, 2003 05:44 p.m.):
HISTORY- NAPOLIAN ko yad kar laena.
CH- CHHTU RAM KY DHARAM PITA -
CH- SIR CHHAJU RAM KO BANIYA KAHANA
PHIR MAJAK BANANA
NAEPOLIAN KA HAWALA DEKAR
THIS IS INSULT TO ALL JATS INCLUDING
CH- CHHOTURAM & CH CHHAJU RAM
you shouild be ashamed. this is not joke
S
sansanwalamit
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Hello everyone,
I wuld just like to add that Mr Dabas does make sense to me , as a person like me who unfortunatley never even heard Ch. Chajjoo Ram's name got really confused too ...I mean Seth is offcourse too Baniya to be used a Jat name's prefix......whereas on the other hand Sir is still suitable as it denotes knighthood not some cast .......thus the question raised was appropriate and I feel rest of the commments could have been avoided...
Amit Sansanwal
I wuld just like to add that Mr Dabas does make sense to me , as a person like me who unfortunatley never even heard Ch. Chajjoo Ram's name got really confused too ...I mean Seth is offcourse too Baniya to be used a Jat name's prefix......whereas on the other hand Sir is still suitable as it denotes knighthood not some cast .......thus the question raised was appropriate and I feel rest of the commments could have been avoided...
Amit Sansanwal
DANVIR CH- SIR- CHHAJU RAM LAMBA OF V.ALAKHPURA- BHIWANI - HARYANA
DHARAM PITA OF CH. CHOTURAM
HISTORY MAE LIKHA HH.
10 times last 10 days mae duharaya gaya hh.
ABHI BHI HISTORY SEC MAE HH.
mostly people know this on site
APANI _ HISTORY NAHI PADHANA.
NAEPOLIAN KI DHUHAYE DENA.
HATTH_ DHARMI HH- PICHALY THREAD KI BHADDAS NIKAL NY KA BAHANA HH
DHARAM PITA OF CH. CHOTURAM
HISTORY MAE LIKHA HH.
10 times last 10 days mae duharaya gaya hh.
ABHI BHI HISTORY SEC MAE HH.
mostly people know this on site
APANI _ HISTORY NAHI PADHANA.
NAEPOLIAN KI DHUHAYE DENA.
HATTH_ DHARMI HH- PICHALY THREAD KI BHADDAS NIKAL NY KA BAHANA HH
Gaawar Bhai,
Aesi koi baat nahin hei. JAT's mein thora bhot to chalta hi rehta hei. MARTIAL kom hei na..
Cheers,
Aesi koi baat nahin hei. JAT's mein thora bhot to chalta hi rehta hei. MARTIAL kom hei na..
Cheers,
YagyaVir Singh Gaawar (Jan 13, 2003 05:55 p.m.):
Dedee Ji and Ashok Bhai,
Please cool down AND resolve your issues by writing private mails.
urmiladuhan
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APANI _ HISTORY NAHI PADHANA.
NAEPOLIAN KI DHUHAYE DENA.
Arrogance in persons of merit affronts more than arrogance in those without merit. I have nothing but contempt for your remarks- if your remarks were directed towards me.
NAEPOLIAN KI DHUHAYE DENA.
Arrogance in persons of merit affronts more than arrogance in those without merit. I have nothing but contempt for your remarks- if your remarks were directed towards me.
ishwarlamba
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All,
Let us take it lightly.
In 1969 I went for a interview in Brijmandal college Hodel. Ch Ram Narayan was SDM of Palwal and president of college. Before interview I met him. He asked me chore ke nam se. I told my name. He said ye lambe he jato ke aggarwal and told Seth Chajju Ram was Lamba. He also said there was Subedar Richpal Singh Lamba from Dalanwas was first Indian to get get Victoria Cross in world war II.
I told him my forefathers had come from Dalanwas to Kutabgarh in Delhi long back.
Seth Chajju Ram had come from a poor family and was director of 80 companies including Birlas in Calcutta.
As bhai Rajinder Singh Ji has written, he was jute king of India. His had his own ships.
I was lucky to meet his grand son in Moth Luhari village (village of our Mrs Om Pati Grewal, Indian Consulate in Sydney) near Hansi in Haryana.
It is a custom in India especially in Calcutta and Bombay to call a rich person as seth.
It is a title and some day it could be Seth Ashok Kumar Dabas. We have a shop "Lamba Hardware Store" in Kutab Delhi. My father had a title Seth in our area. Many people coming from other villages used to think we are bania.
Nothing wrong in that.
We should try to understand why Dudee Sahib is so emotional on these issues. He could locate the samadhi of his grand father along with his grand son in France, who gave his life
in world war I. He also worked very hard to get correct the spelling written on the samadhi.
We can understand how his family might have suffered
Regards to all.
______________________________________
Let us take it lightly.
In 1969 I went for a interview in Brijmandal college Hodel. Ch Ram Narayan was SDM of Palwal and president of college. Before interview I met him. He asked me chore ke nam se. I told my name. He said ye lambe he jato ke aggarwal and told Seth Chajju Ram was Lamba. He also said there was Subedar Richpal Singh Lamba from Dalanwas was first Indian to get get Victoria Cross in world war II.
I told him my forefathers had come from Dalanwas to Kutabgarh in Delhi long back.
Seth Chajju Ram had come from a poor family and was director of 80 companies including Birlas in Calcutta.
As bhai Rajinder Singh Ji has written, he was jute king of India. His had his own ships.
I was lucky to meet his grand son in Moth Luhari village (village of our Mrs Om Pati Grewal, Indian Consulate in Sydney) near Hansi in Haryana.
It is a custom in India especially in Calcutta and Bombay to call a rich person as seth.
It is a title and some day it could be Seth Ashok Kumar Dabas. We have a shop "Lamba Hardware Store" in Kutab Delhi. My father had a title Seth in our area. Many people coming from other villages used to think we are bania.
Nothing wrong in that.
We should try to understand why Dudee Sahib is so emotional on these issues. He could locate the samadhi of his grand father along with his grand son in France, who gave his life
in world war I. He also worked very hard to get correct the spelling written on the samadhi.
We can understand how his family might have suffered
Regards to all.
______________________________________
Ashok Kumar Dabas (Jan 13, 2003 06:38 p.m.):
Dudee Ji,
Koi bhee kisi JAT ko baniya kese bana sakta hei. Aur apne JAT leader ka majak udana to koi soch bhee nahin sakta atlease mein to nahin and Its not a JOKE.
Of course, I would be ashamed if I had really made it a joke.
Sir Chajju Ram ke naam ke samne Seth lagane par mein confuse hoon. Jab unko SIR ka khitab mila hua hei to unka naam always SIR ke saath hi likhna chahiye. I just wanted to convey my message that we should write his name with Sir and not Seth.
Any way no more confusion. I am not gonna write anything on your posts.
Dharmpal Singh Dudee (Jan 13, 2003 05:44 p.m.):
HISTORY- NAPOLIAN ko yad kar laena.
CH- CHHTU RAM KY DHARAM PITA -
CH- SIR CHHAJU RAM KO BANIYA KAHANA
PHIR MAJAK BANANA
NAEPOLIAN KA HAWALA DEKAR
THIS IS INSULT TO ALL JATS INCLUDING
CH- CHHOTURAM & CH CHHAJU RAM
you shouild be ashamed. this is not joke
U
uday
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you can add Brig. Run Singh from Village Dighal.. As per my knowledge he helped JAT community by recruiting thousands of Jats in Army...He was also a minister in Devi Lal Govt somewhere in 1977 - 78... As people told me that he always prefer in army recruitment ( commisioned \ Non commisioned )
That's what I know about him. it is up to you all JATLAND MEMBERS to select him in your list or not ??
Aaap Bhai log kya bolte hai is barey main????
That's what I know about him. it is up to you all JATLAND MEMBERS to select him in your list or not ??
Aaap Bhai log kya bolte hai is barey main????
U
uday
Guest
As people told me that he always prefer JATS in army recruitment ( commisioned \ Non commisioned )..
Uday Dahiya (Jan 14, 2003 08:14 a.m.):
you can add Brig. Run Singh from Village Dighal.. As per my knowledge he helped JAT community by recruiting thousands of Jats in Army...He was also a minister in Devi Lal Govt somewhere in 1977 - 78... As people told me that he always prefer in army recruitment ( commisioned \ Non commisioned )
That's what I know about him. it is up to you all JATLAND MEMBERS to select him in your list or not ??
Aaap Bhai log kya bolte hai is barey main????
I FULLY AGREE WITH YAGVAVIR SINGH.
This is not fair to select top ten like this.
THEY ARE ALL GREAT IN THEIR OWN TIME & FIELDS.
THERE ARE OVER MILLION MARTYRS IN HISTORY & UNSUNG HEROES
INCLUDING WINNER OF VCS& PVC
RESILDAR BADLU SINGH DHAKLA VC
SUBEDAR RICHHPAL RAM LAMBA VC
HAV-MAJOR -CHHALURAM DINOD -BHIWANI VC
RAMSARUP SINGH V KHERI VC
COL HOSHIAR SINGH PVC
MAJOR -GEN BUDH SINGH MC
BRIG- HOSHIAR SINGH MAHAVIR CHAKAR
MAJOR MAHINDER SINGH - MAHAVIR CHAKAR
AND THE LIST IS LONG
FROM FRANCE TO KARGIL
INCLUDING INA
FAUJI MEHAR SINGH
RAJA-MAHENDER PARTAP
MAHA RANI MATA KISORI
JAWAHAR SINGH
& MANY MORE
WE HAVE ALREADY MADE A LIST OF GREAT JAT JATNI ON THIS SITE.
OF COURSE BRIG- RANSINGH SPEAKER OF HARYANA VIDHAN SABHA.
I DO NOT FEEL HAPPY ABOUT THIS THEARD AT ALL
NO NEED TO PUT NO TAG ON GREAT NESS
WHO ARE WE TO DECIDE
WHO IS NO 1 & NO 10
LET THE PUBLIC DECIDE
YAH JANATA SABH JANTI HH
ADAMI KO PAHCHANTI HH.
This is not fair to select top ten like this.
THEY ARE ALL GREAT IN THEIR OWN TIME & FIELDS.
THERE ARE OVER MILLION MARTYRS IN HISTORY & UNSUNG HEROES
INCLUDING WINNER OF VCS& PVC
RESILDAR BADLU SINGH DHAKLA VC
SUBEDAR RICHHPAL RAM LAMBA VC
HAV-MAJOR -CHHALURAM DINOD -BHIWANI VC
RAMSARUP SINGH V KHERI VC
COL HOSHIAR SINGH PVC
MAJOR -GEN BUDH SINGH MC
BRIG- HOSHIAR SINGH MAHAVIR CHAKAR
MAJOR MAHINDER SINGH - MAHAVIR CHAKAR
AND THE LIST IS LONG
FROM FRANCE TO KARGIL
INCLUDING INA
FAUJI MEHAR SINGH
RAJA-MAHENDER PARTAP
MAHA RANI MATA KISORI
JAWAHAR SINGH
& MANY MORE
WE HAVE ALREADY MADE A LIST OF GREAT JAT JATNI ON THIS SITE.
OF COURSE BRIG- RANSINGH SPEAKER OF HARYANA VIDHAN SABHA.
I DO NOT FEEL HAPPY ABOUT THIS THEARD AT ALL
NO NEED TO PUT NO TAG ON GREAT NESS
WHO ARE WE TO DECIDE
WHO IS NO 1 & NO 10
LET THE PUBLIC DECIDE
YAH JANATA SABH JANTI HH
ADAMI KO PAHCHANTI HH.
Hello EveryOne,
Purpose of this thread was not to rank anyone, but just to get few lines about famous people and why author of the post thinks he is the most prominent. My knowledge is limited and I guess there are many out there in the same boat. That is why I added the "ANY OTHER" at the last in the list. It would have been a great knowledge sharing. But looks like we end up in mess all the time.
Purpose of this thread was not to rank anyone, but just to get few lines about famous people and why author of the post thinks he is the most prominent. My knowledge is limited and I guess there are many out there in the same boat. That is why I added the "ANY OTHER" at the last in the list. It would have been a great knowledge sharing. But looks like we end up in mess all the time.
urmiladuhan
New member
Dharmpal Singh Dudee (Jan 14, 2003 12:31 p.m.):
I FULLY AGREE WITH YAGVAVIR SINGH.
This is not fair to select top ten like this.
THEY ARE ALL GREAT IN THEIR OWN TIME & FIELDS.
THERE ARE OVER MILLION MARTYRS IN HISTORY & UNSUNG HEROES
INCLUDING WINNER OF VCS& PVC
RESILDAR BADLU SINGH DHAKLA VC
SUBEDAR RICHHPAL RAM LAMBA VC
HAV-MAJOR -CHHALURAM DINOD -BHIWANI VC
RAMSARUP SINGH V KHERI VC
COL HOSHIAR SINGH PVC
MAJOR -GEN BUDH SINGH MC
BRIG- HOSHIAR SINGH MAHAVIR CHAKAR
MAJOR MAHINDER SINGH - MAHAVIR CHAKAR
AND THE LIST IS LONG
FROM FRANCE TO KARGIL
INCLUDING INA
FAUJI MEHAR SINGH
RAJA-MAHENDER PARTAP
MAHA RANI MATA KISORI
JAWAHAR SINGH
& MANY MORE
WE HAVE ALREADY MADE A LIST OF GREAT JAT JATNI ON THIS SITE.
OF COURSE BRIG- RANSINGH SPEAKER OF HARYANA VIDHAN SABHA.
I DO NOT FEEL HAPPY ABOUT THIS THEARD AT ALL
NO NEED TO PUT NO TAG ON GREAT NESS
WHO ARE WE TO DECIDE
WHO IS NO 1 & NO 10
LET THE PUBLIC DECIDE
YAH JANATA SABH JANTI HH
ADAMI KO PAHCHANTI HH.
Dudee jee- you are right that it is very hard to judge people's contribution especially when they lived in different times and under different circumstances and their area of focus may have been different from each others. Just as many of us have favourite film stars/sports persons/ politicians, i don't see anything terribly wrong in having a favourite Jat personality. It seems simple to me.
Thank you very much Uncle Ji for sharing the information in a really nice way. I appreciate your efforts.
Ishwar Singh Lamba (Jan 13, 2003 09:23 p.m.):
All,
Let us take it lightly.
In 1969 I went for a interview in Brijmandal college Hodel. Ch Ram Narayan was SDM of Palwal and president of college. Before interview I met him. He asked me chore ke nam se. I told my name. He said ye lambe he jato ke aggarwal and told Seth Chajju Ram was Lamba. He also said there was Subedar Richpal Singh Lamba from Dalanwas was first Indian to get get Victoria Cross in world war II.
I told him my forefathers had come from Dalanwas to Kutabgarh in Delhi long back.
Seth Chajju Ram had come from a poor family and was director of 80 companies including Birlas in Calcutta.
As bhai Rajinder Singh Ji has written, he was jute king of India. His had his own ships.
I was lucky to meet his grand son in Moth Luhari village (village of our Mrs Om Pati Grewal, Indian Consulate in Sydney) near Hansi in Haryana.
It is a custom in India especially in Calcutta and Bombay to call a rich person as seth.
LAMBA SAHIB
THANK YOU FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING.
I AM HAPPY THAT AT LEAST ONE PERSON CAN UNDERSTAND MY FEELING.
What ever you said- this information is on this site written by me & other that
CH SIR CHHAJURAM LAMBA WAS DHARAMPITA OF CH CHOTU RAM
Very few people read it- no one given me any credit. This was repeated 11 times in 11 days.
What upset me or any jat
ARE YOU OR YOUR FATHER WAS A BANIYA ?
We should respect our great leaders & martyrs.
Sorry so say very little resprct- understanding & good will on this site.
that is why is mess daily.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING.
I AM HAPPY THAT AT LEAST ONE PERSON CAN UNDERSTAND MY FEELING.
What ever you said- this information is on this site written by me & other that
CH SIR CHHAJURAM LAMBA WAS DHARAMPITA OF CH CHOTU RAM
Very few people read it- no one given me any credit. This was repeated 11 times in 11 days.
What upset me or any jat
ARE YOU OR YOUR FATHER WAS A BANIYA ?
We should respect our great leaders & martyrs.
Sorry so say very little resprct- understanding & good will on this site.
that is why is mess daily.
Ashok Kumar Dabas (Jan 13, 2003 12:48 p.m.):
Uday Bhai,
Please don't mind but I have to ask this question.
Seth Chajju ram was JAT or a Seth/Baniya. I think we are talking about the JAT leaders here. AND if he was JAT then why did not he used Ch. as the salutation ?
Very strange, people know so little about a GREAT JAT !
Seth Chhaju Ram was a JAT, rather the only SETH JAT.
He was from a poor landless family from village Sekhpura, near Hansi in Distt. Bhiwani.
He had no formal schooling; yet, he became a renowned scholar of Sanskrit. He was instrumental in creating DAV college Lahore and solely responsible for creating Jat School and College Hisar and helped financially Jat Schools and colleges of Rohtak and Jind. He helped many other educational institutes of -now Haryana. Jat School and college Hisar are named Seth Sir Chhaju Memorial……
He was a self made man. From humble backgrounds, he created his Empire of Jute Industry around Culcutta and Dhaka, with countless factories.
The road from Delhi to Hisar, a Kacha village-to-village path, was made a Packa road for his Horse-Buggy by lime stone brought from Dadri. You can well imagine the costs, labour and time!
He used to come his native village by train from Culcatta.
In those days even a Horse-Buggy used to take 2 days from Delhi to Hisar. So a rest house was built for him at Rohtak. Now it is called NILI KHOTHI . This was gifted to Sir Chhotu Ram, in which now his Dohata Virender Singh -Ex-minister and Ex-Congress President, lives. He was God Father of Sir Chhotu Ram and he helped him for his graduation from Lahore and everywhere later on.
His POTTA was MLA of Hansi in the last term. But only a so and so. Nobody of prominence evolved in his family progressed to imminence.
But the incident of keeping Bhagat Singh, concealed in his house for two months, is the Greatest. You all can well imagine the risk involved in it for such a prominent industrialist in the Angreji Raj. Only a Jat can do it, not a Bania.
The word Seth does not mean a caste. It is a BYOOK –PADVI OR UPADHI, given to a rich person.
He was a self-made man, a leader, a philanthropist, an educationist and a DESHBHAGAT.
He was a follower of Swami Daya Nand and a Pakka Arya Samaji and firm believer of our social and moral values.
AS FAR AS A WHO IS GREAT, THIS IS ALWAYS CONTROVERSIAL.
GREATS ARE GREAT.
NO COMPARISON!
WE SHOULD RESPECT THEM AND LEARN FROM THEM.
Let us all be the Greats -mentioned in the list!
Partap.
DEAR DR PARTAPSINGH
WELCOME TO JATLAND
Thank you very much for your contribution & wise words about our great leaders. Most of this information about our leaders is on the site.
We request our members to read this information & history before writing here
WHO IS GREAT?
WHO IS RIGHT?
The Q should be what is right not who is right?
FREE & FAIR DEBATE IS ALWAYS WELCOME.
WELCOME TO JATLAND
Thank you very much for your contribution & wise words about our great leaders. Most of this information about our leaders is on the site.
We request our members to read this information & history before writing here
WHO IS GREAT?
WHO IS RIGHT?
The Q should be what is right not who is right?
FREE & FAIR DEBATE IS ALWAYS WELCOME.
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