Women empowerment Solution or Problem?

[brahmtewatia]

Waiting for your views...

ahahaha atish, let me refrain here nd allow female of the species merry around nd feel happy, cos the range of variation in the female far exceeds the range of variation in the male. think of the female salmon, who lays 3,000,000 eggs, but no one remembers her on mother's day...

... for,

if particular care nd attention is not paid to the ladies, we are determined to foment a rebellion, nd will not hold ourselves bound by any laws in wch we/they have no voice or representation.

... guess, no harm ? isn't it.

 

[anilsinghd]

Ohhh… Arth shastri or lal bahadur shastri…..can u define what is positive then….now from looking at your photo you look not less then 35 year old…and statistic or fact may say otherwise….who do I trust …your statistics or my perception…..

Do you think there are more problems than the solution by women empowerment?

According to poll result: 10 says against the statement, 6 in favor, 2 cant say & according to 8 this post is waste.( I appreciate those one)

Now 10 says NO in response of a negative question (sentence) asked. Hope most of the person see problem (more problems) as negative except Deepak chopra or some enlightened souls even sudipacharya think problems are opportunities. Now you multiply two minus it become plus means positive. Now you must have understood Vineeta’s response when she says about positive response.

Now if questioned would have phrased in other way...Do you think there is no problem by women empowerment?

Now how will you interprets the answer….all the previous NO becomes Yes now.

Now don’t run your horses of permutation & combination…let them rest they seems very tired. You will not get entry in disco next time too….rest…rejuvenates for some time in spa…

I will give you more nice “fantasy related” word soon…..keep your finger crossed….


One’s pathetic appearance (physical) always contradicts with one’s own virtue… - Shree Shree Sudipacharya. (Great philosopher of early 21 century)

Neither did I ask you for anything , nor did I indirectly got you involved. Not sure why yu quoted me and replied to me.

I hope Vineeta Malik is not isomorphic to Sudeep Dular , so guess you need not reply.


As regards to your other comments , they are strictly uncalled for , better you stay away , perhaps you need more fancy words to understand?


@ Admins : I sincerely request you to please look into this , I guess people doing things which are none of their business and concerns are not appreciated.

Many thanks,
Anil

 

[vineetaenator]

Dear friend Anil

Thx for asking my perception/opinion I guess this question

"Do you think there are more problems than the solution by women empowerment? "

could be asked in more +ve way like this

"Do u think women empowerment is a solution for better future of women/Family/society ?"

wat u say ? have peace, happiness and joy

Vineeta....

Dear Friend,

When i click on the poll result , I get Yes : 5 , No as 9 , cant say : 2 , this post is waste : 8 , no names though!
Am i missing something ?

In any case i asked for your opinion / perception.




Thanks,
Anil

 

[anilsinghd]

Dear friend Anil

Thx for asking my perception/opinion I guess this question

"Do you think there are more problems than the solution by women empowerment? "

couin more +ve way like this

"Do u think women empowerment is a solution for better future of women/Family/society ?"

wat u say ? have peace, happiness and joy

Vineeta....

Thank you for your response , appreciate that!

 

[samarkadian]

Royal tragedy of our modern popular culture, which thrives on plausible linguistic deciet; is that men and women are being brainwashed/conditioned by society/media to misunderstand each other's natural roles and priorities and that too classicaly.

 

[sudeepdular]

Royal tragedy of our modern popular culture, which thrives on plausible liguistic deciet; is that men and women are being brainwashed/conditioned by society/media to misunderstand each other's natural roles and priorities and that too classicaly.

Hahahaa.... i digged your underlying essence

 

[dskadyan]

Save the Nature?

Hi EveryBody,

Women were already powerful. This Empowerment is reducing that power.

1. Ladies First --- Things of Past.
2. Home Owner -- How come she is not at home.
3. First Word of Child "Ma" -- No way she is not with baby when the time came.
4. She can manage Work and home both ---- Jadugar hai.

Good News
1. She Earns -- Double the income.
2. She Works -- Ghar Mein Shanti.
3. She Get a Job -- Atlast one more man deprived of Job so now one more house below poverty.
4. She Got Promotion -- Now she transferred ,Husband wife in diff cities, Population under control now,.

 

[brahmtewatia]

Hi EveryBody,

Women were already powerful. This Empowerment is reducing that power.

1. Ladies First --- Things of Past.
2. Home Owner -- How come she is not at home.
3. First Word of Child "Ma" -- No way she is not with baby when the time came.
4. She can manage Work and home both ---- Jadugar hai.

Good News
1. She Earns -- Double the income.
2. She Works -- Ghar Mein Shanti.
3. She Get a Job -- Atlast one more man deprived of Job so now one more house below poverty.
4. She Got Promotion -- Now she transferred ,Husband wife in diff cities, Population under control now,.

most importantly... the divorce cases are now on increase in india... a harsh reality ! (pls. add this in yr list)

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1. Marriage to a successful techie, beginning a new life in a new city - it seemed like a beautiful dream for Poonam Nath. But within a year, everything turned bitter and the couple separated. Poonam is not alone.

2. "Now, I am staying alone and have managed to get a job in a BPO and am earning my livelihood," said Poonam, 23, who belongs to Kolkata. Her name has been changed on request.

3. Arvind Kumar is in the same situation. He was divorced recently and his wife has moved back with her parents, who stay in Kochi.

4. "I keep myself busy at work. Now work is my life, as I have nothing else except for work," rued Kumar, 30, a content writer with a city firm.

"Rise in divorce cases is a worrying statistic. When a couple decides to get divorced, many lives are affected, especially if they have any children,". "There are reasons galore for the rise in divorce cases. Urbanisation and increasing violence against women and financial stability of both husband and wife, to name a few,"

5. "Today's empowered women are refusing to follow the traditional diktats of Indian marriages. Marriage is the biggest form of displacement for any woman as she has to shift from her home (natural habitat) to her husband's home. "It is the wife who is supposed to adjust. But today's financially strong women are not ready to take undue pressure on their individual existence and thus marital discords are bound to increase,".

6. "The couples do not try to work out the marriage as they are confident they can lead a life independently as both are financially stable," he said.

7. Psychiatrists are of the view that with stress and long working hours with little time for each other, couples drift apart and end up being separated.

 

[vicky84]

ahahaha atish, let me refrain here nd allow female of the species merry around nd feel happy, cos the range of variation in the female far exceeds the range of variation in the male. think of the female salmon, who lays 3,000,000 eggs, but no one remembers her on mother's day...

... for,

if particular care nd attention is not paid to the ladies, we are determined to foment a rebellion, nd will not hold ourselves bound by any laws in wch we/they have no voice or representation.

... guess, no harm ? isn't it.

No harm Brahm ji. After all patience is a virtue.

 

[vineetaenator]

Dear Brahm Ji

Don't u think both the partners r equal responsible for divorce?

don't you think traditional diktats of Indian marriages were developed by only male dominating society and now they shd change with the time?

Don't you think women r also equal to man? if ur ans is yes then tell me does any man ready to take undue pressure on their individual existence then y expect this from women?

if u r talking about increase in divorce rate now a days then previous time then plz have a u look openmindedly you will understand max so called successful marriages specially in india r just to show off,for the sake of society, because of childrens or financially dependency or it could be any reason . "Rishte dhone aur dil se nibhane mai bahut phark hota hai"

I guess all those problems as mentioned in above post too r just because lack of mutual understanding b/w the couples.Any marriage only get successful if both partners r like minded, they love each others respect each other views and handle all the challenges in life with mutual understanding. all these things can happens only when both the partners r willing. No relation in this world can run smoothly if these basic things r missing.

thx with regards
Vineeta

most importantly... the divorce cases are now on increase in india... a harsh reality ! (pls. add this in yr list)

########################################################

1. Marriage to a successful techie, beginning a new life in a new city - it seemed like a beautiful dream for Poonam Nath. But within a year, everything turned bitter and the couple separated. Poonam is not alone.

2. "Now, I am staying alone and have managed to get a job in a BPO and am earning my livelihood," said Poonam, 23, who belongs to Kolkata. Her name has been changed on request.

3. Arvind Kumar is in the same situation. He was divorced recently and his wife has moved back with her parents, who stay in Kochi.

4. "I keep myself busy at work. Now work is my life, as I have nothing else except for work," rued Kumar, 30, a content writer with a city firm.

"Rise in divorce cases is a worrying statistic. When a couple decides to get divorced, many lives are affected, especially if they have any children,". "There are reasons galore for the rise in divorce cases. Urbanisation and increasing violence against women and financial stability of both husband and wife, to name a few,"

5. "Today's empowered women are refusing to follow the traditional diktats of Indian marriages. Marriage is the biggest form of displacement for any woman as she has to shift from her home (natural habitat) to her husband's home. "It is the wife who is supposed to adjust. But today's financially strong women are not ready to take undue pressure on their individual existence and thus marital discords are bound to increase,".

6. "The couples do not try to work out the marriage as they are confident they can lead a life independently as both are financially stable," he said.

7. Psychiatrists are of the view that with stress and long working hours with little time for each other, couples drift apart and end up being separated.

 

[rohitmalik8]

Dear Brahm Ji

Don't u think both the partners r equal responsible for divorce?

don't you think traditional diktats of Indian marriages were developed by only male dominating society and now they shd change with the time?

Don't you think women r also equal to man? if ur ans is yes then tell me does any man ready to take undue pressure on their individual existence then y expect this from women?

if u r talking about increase in divorce rate now a days then previous time then plz have a u look openmindedly you will understand max so called successful marriages specially in india r just to show off,for the sake of society, because of childrens or financially dependency or it could be any reason . "Rishte dhone aur dil se nibhane mai bahut phark hota hai"

I guess all those problems as mentioned in above post too r just because lack of mutual understanding b/w the couples.Any marriage only get successful if both partners r like minded, they love each others respect each other views and handle all the challenges in life with mutual understanding. all these things can happens only when both the partners r willing. No relation in this world can run smoothly if these basic things r missing.

thx with regards
Vineeta

Dear Vineeta Bahan,

I would like to give you an real life example. Its about one of my friend's bua!!! They are bengali and living in Kolkata. Let me call the lady (Bua) as Miss X.

Miss X married a guy named Mr Y. Miss X was given the freedom to choose her life partner by her parents so he chose Mr Y. Miss X was working in a BPO while Mr Y was having own business of Taxis and Trucks. In the intial stage of their marriage (2 years) everything was fine but after that somehow Mr Y's business started going down. So basically now Miss X is the sole earner of the household. Though Mr Y had got so much money that for next 10-20 years nobody has to earn for them. But Miss X wanted to do job and her husband gladly accepted it. After sometime she started coming late and when her husband asked her she always told that because of her office work she came late.

After sometime she started coming late and that too drunk. This started fight between them. In the mean time they had a baby and the husband took care of him. (Though he was also trying to take his business back on track). After that Miss X started coming late night or not at all to her home. If somebody (husband or in-laws) asked any questions she started abusing them and saying "Main kamati hun, jo marzi karun, tum kaun ho bolne wale". After sometime husband got to know she was having an affair somewhere else. He tried his level best to get back her but in vain. I know the last part because I know both of them personally and the husband called me to talk to Miss X. But Miss X kept on saying that she wanted a divorce and she dont want the child either. Now they are fighting the case in court.

This example shows that you can not blame only men for a broken relation. Sometimes women are equally responsible. Its not only yours but 95% of world's mentality that if something goes wrong in life its only because of men. Please have an open mind here. Taali 1 haath se nai bajti n aaj ke zamane mein to bilkul nai.

To be cont....

 

[rohitmalik8]

Cont....

Please try to understand, I am not against women here, I am very much happy with women working as hard as men in every aspect of life. and even more in some aspects. But I am against those people who always blame men for everything. I am against those people who go out of the way to praise the women's accomplishements.

e.g. every year we read in newspapers or in TV Breaking News:

CBSE Result Out. Ladkiyon ne fir ladko ko pachada.

But you never see that kind of news when result of IIT or CAT is out and the number of boys clearing those exams are much more than girls. e.g.

Breaking News: CAT Result Out. Ladkon ne fir ladkiyon ko pachada.

Aakhir kyon??? It means they are creating a difference between men and women.

Last n not least if you believe in equality, treat men and women equal. Dont blame men for every minor thing that goes bad and dont praise girl for every minor thing that goes well.

PS: Forget about past, about that male dominating society, that was way back when you and me were not born. If you remember the past, you will always see the bad side of men. Same goes for men also, forget about past when women worked like donkey in house. If you remember that you can never treat women equally and that will always trigger these kind of threads everywhere.

These are my personal views and are not intended to hurt anybody's feelings. If I unintentionally hurt somebody's feelings then please forgive me.

 

[vineetaenator]

Dear Rohit bhai

I haven't blamed man at all ......I was just talking about the increase of divorce rate because of women empowerment is wrong statement....rest of things were said in reference of brahma ji's point no.5. Don't take it personally......I said if divorce happened in most of the cases both partners r equally responsible....here m not taking references of exceptions where any one partner is extremly gud and another is extremly bad....as u have given eg. m talking in generalised way....this world is full with every type of ppl either its man or women.......so there is no point to say who is gud or bad or always rite or wrong ...... all these r relative terms


as u said "I am against those people who go out of the way to praise the women's accomplishements.

e.g. every year we read in newspapers or in TV Breaking News:

CBSE Result Out. Ladkiyon ne fir ladko ko pachada."

Don't feel bad about those praise its just because till date there r so many areas where girl's primary education is a really big thing , they are not creating a difference between men and women at all .Its just ur perseption so take it +vely

have peace,happiness and joy

Vineeta

Cont....

Please try to understand, I am not against women here, I am very much happy with women working as hard as men in every aspect of life. and even more in some aspects. But I am against those people who always blame men for everything. I am against those people who go out of the way to praise the women's accomplishements.

e.g. every year we read in newspapers or in TV Breaking News:

CBSE Result Out. Ladkiyon ne fir ladko ko pachada.

But you never see that kind of news when result of IIT or CAT is out and the number of boys clearing those exams are much more than girls. e.g.

Breaking News: CAT Result Out. Ladkon ne fir ladkiyon ko pachada.

Aakhir kyon??? It means they are creating a difference between men and women.

Last n not least if you believe in equality, treat men and women equal. Dont blame men for every minor thing that goes bad and dont praise girl for every minor thing that goes well.

PS: Forget about past, about that male dominating society, that was way back when you and me were not born. If you remember the past, you will always see the bad side of men. Same goes for men also, forget about past when women worked like donkey in house. If you remember that you can never treat women equally and that will always trigger these kind of threads everywhere.

These are my personal views and are not intended to hurt anybody's feelings. If I unintentionally hurt somebody's feelings then please forgive me.

 

[brahmtewatia]

Dear Brahm Ji

Don't u think both the partners r equal responsible for divorce?

don't you think traditional diktats of Indian marriages were developed by only male dominating society and now they shd change with the time?

Don't you think women r also equal to man? if ur ans is yes then tell me does any man ready to take undue pressure on their individual existence then y expect this from women?

if u r talking about increase in divorce rate now a days then previous time then plz have a u look openmindedly you will understand max so called successful marriages specially in india r just to show off,for the sake of society, because of childrens or financially dependency or it could be any reason . "Rishte dhone aur dil se nibhane mai bahut phark hota hai"

I guess all those problems as mentioned in above post too r just because lack of mutual understanding b/w the couples.Any marriage only get successful if both partners r like minded, they love each others respect each other views and handle all the challenges in life with mutual understanding. all these things can happens only when both the partners r willing. No relation in this world can run smoothly if these basic things r missing.

thx with regards
Vineeta

dear vineeta,

at the outset let me welcum you onboard JATship enterprise, as i appreciate yr sensible nd rational active participation.

now tht I’m dragged into the conversation let me be precise as to what my stand is on the issue nd tht will answer all yr concerns. although, right frm the word go i’ve been hopping on two extremes wch started with my 1st post wch was an email forward. period !

yes i want women empowerment… it’s the call of the day nd there are more solutions to it rather then the after-effects. it has traditionally been accepted tht the thread of family weaves the fabric of indian society. women are considered as the hub center of the family…in childhood a female must be subject to her father, in youth to her husband, when her lord is dead to her sons... in fact a woman must never be independent. to cut the matter short, in almost all societies through history, women have occupied secondary position vis-a-vis men… nd bla bla bla. period !.

things have now changed nd obviously for better reasons. now is the urban age nd women along with men are here to make an impact, let's not ignore them, let's listen nd prioritize them. empowerment of women is a gradual nd complicated process. it involves changing the way of thinking of the whole society… easy said then done… but “yes” india is moving towards it. in one of my close circle - a female, a jat nd principal of a college, has stood the test of time. she made it nd stood bold nd tall, cos she was educated nd empowered. or else, her voice wud have been subdued down in the chakki of Indian household.

after-effects are always going to be there nd you cannot negate their existence... tht happens to be true for any evolving society. cannot elaborate any further (time constraints today), but i guess you got the essence of my opinion.

also refer to my views aired earlier on JATland radio 96.42 fm on rising divorce cases >>> http://www.jatland.com/forums/showpost.php?p=171447&postcount=4
here is the extract as well...

i dont know wats the opinion of others, but i feel tht one of the major reason is the awakening of females in india. despite of the fact tht we still hear the headlines abt atrocities on females, female infanticide, sati, sexual harassment, PM'ing and many more...the fact hwever remains tht there has bn a marked improvement in the awareness among the females...having said so, i must confess tht i'm talking abt urban females, nd here only u'll c the rise in the cases of divorce.

many ppl can blame it on breakdown of families, the loss of family values and the influence of the west. but to me, the rising rate of divorces is a trend to celebrate. it is the single best statistical indicator we have of the empowerment of women. rising divorce rates tell us one thing for sure...that more and more women are finding the ways, the means, and the independence, to walk out of bad marriages and live life on their own terms. if we judge ourselves as a society on the state of our women (and surely that must be a parameter) then this is good news. we do not need to credit either feminism or western culture for this.

p.s. : lets remember female salmon, who lays 3,000,000 eggs, but no one (hitherto) remembered her on mother's day .

 

[rohitmalik8]

Dear Rohit bhai

I haven't blamed man at all ......I was just talking about the increase of divorce rate because of women empowerment is wrong statement....rest of things were said in reference of brahma ji's point no.5. Don't take it personally......I said if divorce happened in most of the cases both partners r equally responsible....here m not taking references of exceptions where any one partner is extremly gud and another is extremly bad....as u have given eg. m talking in generalised way....this world is full with every type of ppl either its man or women.......so there is no point to say who is gud or bad or always rite or wrong ...... all these r relative terms


as u said "I am against those people who go out of the way to praise the women's accomplishements.

e.g. every year we read in newspapers or in TV Breaking News:

CBSE Result Out. Ladkiyon ne fir ladko ko pachada."

Don't feel bad about those praise its just because till date there r so many areas where girl's primary education is a really big thing , they are not creating a difference between men and women at all .Its just ur perseption so take it +vely

have peace,happiness and joy

Vineeta

No Offenece Taken Bahna!!!

 

[akshaymalik84]

five levels of the women's empowerment

There are basically five levels of the women's empowerment framework, namely- welfare, access, conscientisation, mobilisation and control.

Welfare means an improvement in socio-economic status, such as improved nutritional status, shelter or income, which is the zero level of empowerment, where women are the passive recipients of benefits that are 'given' from on high.

Access to resources and services stands for the first level of empowerment, since women improve their own status, relative to men, by their own work and organisation arising from increased access to resources and services.

Conscientisation is defined as the process, by which women collectively urge to act to remove one or more of the discriminatory practices that impede their access to resources. Here, women form groups to understand the underlying causes of their problems and to identify strategies for action for gender equity.

Mobilisation is the action level of empowerment by forging links with the larger women's movement, to learn from the successes of women's similar strategic action elsewhere and to connect with the wider struggle.

Control is the level of empowerment when women have taken action so that there is gender equality in decisions making over access to resources, so that women achieve direct control over their access to resources.

But one needs to understand that these five levels of women’s empowerment are not really a linear progression but helical and circular along with being interconnected. The empowerment occurs when women achieve increased control and participation in decision making that leads to their better access to resources, and therefore, improved socio-economic status.

I wonder if Divorce increases the socio-economic status.

 

[vj]

There are basically five levels of the women's empowerment framework, namely- welfare, access, conscientisation, mobilisation and control.

Welfare means an improvement in socio-economic status, such as improved nutritional status, shelter or income, which is the zero level of empowerment, where women are the passive recipients of benefits that are 'given' from on high.

Access to resources and services stands for the first level of empowerment, since women improve their own status, relative to men, by their own work and organisation arising from increased access to resources and services.

Conscientisation is defined as the process, by which women collectively urge to act to remove one or more of the discriminatory practices that impede their access to resources. Here, women form groups to understand the underlying causes of their problems and to identify strategies for action for gender equity.

Mobilisation is the action level of empowerment by forging links with the larger women's movement, to learn from the successes of women's similar strategic action elsewhere and to connect with the wider struggle.

Control is the level of empowerment when women have taken action so that there is gender equality in decisions making over access to resources, so that women achieve direct control over their access to resources.

But one needs to understand that these five levels of women’s empowerment are not really a linear progression but helical and circular along with being interconnected. The empowerment occurs when women achieve increased control and participation in decision making that leads to their better access to resources, and therefore, improved socio-economic status.

I wonder if Divorce increases the socio-economic status.

Yu ib tai ka sabteh number ek post tha.....is post tai 10/10 number......:rock

Bahut badiya......Bhaiya.....

 

[annch]

Akshay,
A great post.
Could you elaborate on your thought in quotes, thanks.

I wonder if Divorce increases the socio-economic status.

 

[akshaymalik84]

Akshay,
A great post.
Could you elaborate on your thought in quotes, thanks.

hmmm....people Now a days evaluate their relationship in terms of cost and benefits.How good the marrige is depends on person's satisfaction with his or her share of reward and cost.People behaves in a way that maximaize their benefits and limit their cost.
Everything is commercialised now a days even the marriage. And some of us thinks that being broad minded and wishing freedom from any relationship shows their status.

 

[vicky84]

hmmm....people Now a days evaluate their relationship in terms of cost and benefits.How good the marrige is depends on person's satisfaction with his or her share of reward and cost.People behaves in a way that maximaize their benefits and limit their cost.
Everything is commercialised now a days even the marriage. And some of us thinks that being broad minded and wishing freedom from any relationship shows their status.

Bang....

Right on the money mate.