y india never saw any revolution

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dear all,,

u have alook at the history of all developed countries nd many others too.........there occurred american revolution.....french revolution......russian revolution.........

lekin bharat aisa desh kyun hai jisme aaj tak koi KRAANTI nahi aai.....

plz send ur feed back nd give good arguments nd suggestions..........

JAI HIND
 
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ratheetheraist said:
dear all,,

u have alook at the history of all developed countries nd many others too.........there occurred american revolution.....french revolution......russian revolution.........

lekin bharat aisa desh kyun hai jisme aaj tak koi KRAANTI nahi aai.....

plz send ur feed back nd give good arguments nd suggestions..........

JAI HIND



Tuun aagya na ibb....tu kar de yo revolution......ja maar kisse minister ki GHATTI MEI GUUTT......arr na tei sarre Dakiyaan ki chithhi khoss le....arr jei uss mei bhi pett na bharre te sarre tau-aan ke dogge todd girr...appe ho jyaga jo tu chahwei sei........KAALI JAAL.Ha...ha..ha Killkki pe Killkki@Kaalli jaal. Isske sahi karran bhi batta sakkun suun kadde kattiye PIRRADD mann rhya ho...par na bataun...kar le ke kreigga? Pachhe dekhangge...ittne tu apna sirr thodda aur khujja le Kukkarmmi?
 
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devdahiya said:
Tuun aagya na ibb....tu kar de yo revolution......ja maar kisse minister ki GHATTI MEI GUUTT......arr na tei sarre Dakiyaan ki chithhi khoss le....arr jei uss mei bhi pett na bharre te sarre tau-aan ke dogge todd girr...appe ho jyaga jo tu chahwei sei........KAALI JAAL.Ha...ha..ha Killkki pe Killkki@Kaalli jaal. Isske sahi karran bhi batta sakkun suun kadde kattiye PIRRADD mann rhya ho...par na bataun...kar le ke kreigga? Pachhe dekhangge...ittne tu apna sirr thodda aur khujja le Kukkarmmi?

ghoomp diyaa jeluuaa.........aade bhi kaaka..........hahaha.......theek saii ...........main te haansda hansdaa sir khor lyungaa ......ek aadhi haryanwi kahawat e likad ke paddegii............wa shunitaa ke chatthee main jodd dungaa........haha..............killkii.....pe.....killkii.....@kukrammi
 
Rathi BhaI,

You got it wrong that India hadn't any revolution. We had too many revolutions.

Indian freedom fight was the biggest revolution we ever had in our history.

After that we had Green revolution around 80's when we Indian paid oure attention to agriculture production. In 1965 war against pakistan we need Wheat and asked from USA but USA didn't provided that and decide their waste wheat drop the sea. we took lesson from that. Now we are one of the largest producer of wheat. It was a revolution my friend.

Then we had White revolution just recently and after that revolution we are now the one of top three milk production countries in the World
supressing USA.

That are achievements dear and we should be proud of that.

Don't try to dwell upon western media as they always try to impose the thought that they are the best.

We Indian have the oldest civilization on this planet and we should be proud of that.

Proud to be an Indian.
 
India saw many revolutions as Vijay mentioned...but seems that looking by today's India, Indian public is fed with working of govt, bureaucracy & corruption...
I think, today, we need much intensive revolution to root out corrupt politicians & bureaucrates, red-tapism...ab yeh nahin pata ki yeh hoga ya nahin! ;-)
 
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Ibb mere tai nu matna pooch liyo ak Kumhar koon....ar kumhari koon....ar gadhi koon....Kumhaar tai....KAKA JI....Kumhari....yo Ringat Vikas....inn baderyan nai dukhi kar rya....arr GADHI sain....VIKAS ke comments.... GAGU @ KAHAWAT.... arr ek aur yaad aayi sai KAKA JI jai bura na mano tai kahun...par maan bi jao tai ke....fer wa hojagi...Thamb apni athanni boley bina na reha jaa....kahawat sai....HAANDI KA CHHO BARAULI PAI....:D :eek: GAGU....GAGU....GAGU....

KAKAJI DARANTI KA KAAM TAI MAIN BHI KAR SAKUN SU....
 
Of the three revolutions that Rahtee Saab mentioned, I support only one revolution.

I am for the American Revolution. It was against the unfair treatment of the colonial Americans by their British masters. All unfairness committed by the state must be met with strong resistance by the citizens of a nations. By that standard, I strongly think that a revolution in India has been long over due.

The French Revolution and the Russian revolution were just crusades against the wealthy residents by the poor ones. During French revolution one of the main critierias to exterminate the upper class was to just put anyone with blonde hair under the gillotene. That logic just fails to go down with me, easily. For any society to prosper, the poor must leave the rich alone becuase only the rich have the resources and reason to take entreprenurial initiatives. Only free enterprise can lead to overall properity for a society.

The Russian revolution failed even before it ended. It brought doom to so so many nations and their people. As I always say, former "soviet-block" nations are still having a tough time to recuperate erly two decades after the fall of the Berlin wall. Communism is sick. It was the worst chapter in Human history. Even worse than the Biblical floods.

I want people on this website to stop b*tching about America. It is a great country with a lot of wonderful people. They donate more money in times of need, than the rest of the world put together. When India was in need of food grains, we did not have the face to ask America for help, since we had already sided with the communist Soviet Union. American really did not have any incentive to help us. We were kicking their behinds on every international policy matter at international forums like the UN. People of India suffered during that period becuase of our government's bad foriegn policy. Blame our government. Do not blame America.

And Finally, Dev sir, I do not know if you were serious when you said go and assault some minister :) :D Revolutions that are faught with guns and washed with blood never last long. It is the intellectual revolution that is needed for a lasting change. People have to change their mentality. They need to change the way they think. Indian society is very "collectivism oriented." Group efforts never provide an anverage response that is greater than individual efforts. People function efficiently when performing individually, becuase they know there is no one watching their back and their fate is in their own hands. We need to be more open to free enterprise and against any government enforcement of social welfare. I can go on and on.

I know I think radically. But isnt it a radical change that we all are looking for?

I apologize for all typose, since I just typed it up without paying much attention to such errors. The main point is to get the idea across.
 
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Sumit bhai it was a casual remark.....nothing more...just to play a prank. I agree with your explaination. Sometime i mustalso throw this seriosness away to feel light.
 
Food For Thought

Vijay Singh did not blame America. He simply gave the factual position that i) we needed the food grains, ii) asked for that, iii) they refused and iv) that led us to the green revolution.

Is this undisputed?

Now, notwithstanding our political decisions/views on various international issues should the American Government have helped us at that time? Or do they help only those who deposit their conscience with them in exchange of the monetary help!

I feel their refusal was the greatest help they extended to us at any stage after our indepedence.

As regards the greatness of the American people. Some of the Americans are really great. But so are the Indians. Great and 'not great' people are equally scattered all over the universe--at any scale of population from village level to that of a continent. Old Haryanavi quahavat"Gaam raam mein sub tariya ke hoya karain."


As regards the revolution in India: we have revolutions everyday! I know for certain that M.K.Gandhi, if reborn today with all his past memories, will not be able to recognise this country because of the drastic changes that have taken place since 1948. Is this not the revolution, Rathee Sahab?

Over to you and the others for comments.



dahiyarules said:
Of the three revolutions that Rahtee Saab mentioned, I support only one revolution.

I am for the American Revolution. It was against the unfair treatment of the colonial Americans by their British masters. All unfairness committed by the state must be met with strong resistance by the citizens of a nations. By that standard, I strongly think that a revolution in India has been long over due.

The French Revolution and the Russian revolution were just crusades against the wealthy residents by the poor ones. During French revolution one of the main critierias to exterminate the upper class was to just put anyone with blonde hair under the gillotene. That logic just fails to go down with me, easily. For any society to prosper, the poor must leave the rich alone becuase only the rich have the resources and reason to take entreprenurial initiatives. Only free enterprise can lead to overall properity for a society.

The Russian revolution failed even before it ended. It brought doom to so so many nations and their people. As I always say, former "soviet-block" nations are still having a tough time to recuperate erly two decades after the fall of the Berlin wall. Communism is sick. It was the worst chapter in Human history. Even worse than the Biblical floods.

I want people on this website to stop b*tching about America. It is a great country with a lot of wonderful people. They donate more money in times of need, than the rest of the world put together. When India was in need of food grains, we did not have the face to ask America for help, since we had already sided with the communist Soviet Union. American really did not have any incentive to help us. We were kicking their behinds on every international policy matter at international forums like the UN. People of India suffered during that period becuase of our government's bad foriegn policy. Blame our government. Do not blame America.

And Finally, Dev sir, I do not know if you were serious when you said go and assault some minister :) :D Revolutions that are faught with guns and washed with blood never last long. It is the intellectual revolution that is needed for a lasting change. People have to change their mentality. They need to change the way they think. Indian society is very "collectivism oriented." Group efforts never provide an anverage response that is greater than individual efforts. People function efficiently when performing individually, becuase they know there is no one watching their back and their fate is in their own hands. We need to be more open to free enterprise and against any government enforcement of social welfare. I can go on and on.

I know I think radically. But isnt it a radical change that we all are looking for?

I apologize for all typose, since I just typed it up without paying much attention to such errors. The main point is to get the idea across.
 
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dahiyarules said:
I want people on this website to stop b*tching about America. It is a great country with a lot of wonderful people. They donate more money in times of need, than the rest of the world put together. When India was in need of food grains, we did not have the face to ask America for help, since we had already sided with the communist Soviet Union. American really did not have any incentive to help us. We were kicking their behinds on every international policy matter at international forums like the UN. People of India suffered during that period becuase of our government's bad foriegn policy. Blame our government. Do not blame America.

First of all let me make it clear that i didn't blamed America. I just commented on the situation of that time. We need grains and America didn't provide that. That didn't make us week, on the contrary that led us to be self dependent in that area.

Second point, about friends and foes on world scenario. In world politics nobody can decide that but the circumstances and developments decides that. Our foreign policy was being neutral in the cold war scene. But America was hugging Pakistan at that time and attacked us in 1965 and again in 1971. Do you remember, American war ships were headed towards Indian ocean when Pakistan was loosing the battle. Than came the Soviet message, very loud and clear to America to keep thair leg out of the Indo-Pak war. It was obvious that If America was so eager to jump into the war against us we had only one option i.e. Soviet union. Can you count how many times Soviet Union used Veto power in UN council on Kashmir issue in our favour.

So was our foreign policy changed after 1972 war. Did you rember that Soviet Union was supporting their communist Chinese brother in 1962 Indo-China war. So, in world politics relations changes with time and circumstances. But We didn't had hostile relation with US in 1965.

Now the scene is changed after Soviet collapse and the relations with America are getting fine and fine.

This is just for sake of reply.


I think we were discussing about revolutions in India not our foreign policy and world politics.
 
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Its different

Vikas Bhai,
Strictly speaking it is not true that India did not have a revolution.
As usual we do it differently. In thje western sense revolution is sudden, cataclysmic, voilent and cruel.
But Indians are peaceful. We have always had visionary people who fore saw the coming bad times and initiated a silent revolution.

What were Buddh, Guru Nanak, Swami Dayanand, Vivekanand, Gandhi (the Mahatma not the politician), Guru Golwalkar etc ? and now peole like Baba Ramdev, Sri Sri Ravishankar, etc are doing just that - peacefully changing society for the better so that a revolution is not required as the West knows it.
 
deswal said:
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I feel their refusal was the greatest help they extended to us at any stage after our indepedence.

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Americans refused super computer also to India saying that we might use it for our Atomic weapon programme. India response to this was our own version of Super Computer called Param which costs fraction of US super computer... Indians when challenged can do wonders... Wish we can do the same without being challenged. ... In this world no one supports anyone...There is always some motive behind every support...Now that Americans are supporting us, let us milk them as much as we can before the milk dries...LOL

RK^2
 
ookk

itsnavin said:
India saw many revolutions as Vijay mentioned...but seems that looking by today's India, Indian public is fed with working of govt, bureaucracy & corruption...
I think, today, we need much intensive revolution to root out corrupt politicians & bureaucrates, red-tapism...ab yeh nahin pata ki yeh hoga ya nahin! ;-)

respected all,,

thnks 4 ur views.............navin bhai saab its only v who hav to look forward in bringing this kind f revolution if we think thn its only we who should decide how it shall b operated upon............def we wll do it ..........:)

bt vijay bhai ye revolution koi revolution nahin hain .....kya iskoo tum kranti... kahogee...........ye koi kranti nahin hai jisko main yahan mention karna chahta thaa........

sumit dahiya bhai saab aap kehte hain ke france aur russia main to revolution bus kuch amir aur powerful logaon ko power se hatane ke liye aaya thaa..........????? kya bharat par aise anrezoon ka raaz nahin thaa???? this is the only question i wanted to ask u all........tht agar france aur russia main VIDROH huaa to aisa vidroh bharat main kyon nahi huaa kabhi bhi.....?????
kya bharat main aisa ghatiya rule nahin aaya ..........musalman fir angrejj.........kya tab koi kranti nahin aani chahiyen thii.........????????
 
ratheetheraist said:
respected all,,

bt vijay bhai ye revolution koi revolution nahin hain .....kya iskoo tum kranti... kahogee...........ye koi kranti nahin hai jisko main yahan mention karna chahta thaa........


Rathi bhai,

Try to read and understanbd the definition of revolutions first. Revolution doesn't meant a bloody revolution. A revolution means a complete change in the system. I have long list of revolutions according to the true definition of revolution. Please don't mind it.

But if you are asking about the voilent revolution, what you say about Indian freedom struggle, was that not a revolution ?

If you think that was not a revolution than i am sorry my my friend i don't want to discuss it further.
 
1857

And Indian Freedom Struggle includes that of 1857! It was a revolution by all counts: it was because of that that India came under direct control of a democratically elected Government of Britian and limited democracy of our own followed subsequently. Various Govt of India Acts granting limited democracy to Indians refer. In Russia and France the events were termed revolution because those resulted in change of the ststem of governence there from autocracy to democracy or limited democracy. The only difference is in terms of quantum of bloodshed only.

Just as I felt!
 
Chaye tham jitni marji baat karo bhai.

100 baat ki ik baat sai, jis desh mai gandhi (mahatama) jise log 'rastra pita' ban rhe ho ude kranti ke kranti ka 'fofus beej' bhi konya aa sakta.
 
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dear all,,

thanks 4 ur replies..............!!!!!!!!!

bt wt actuall reason i believe i think aff this ....................iss tht hamare desh main youth kabhi ek saath khada nahin huaa haii...........shaheed bhagat singh ne jab kranti ko bhadkaaya thaa......jab bhi unkkee saath sabhi yuvvaa ikkaathhee nahiin hueee.........agar uss waqt bhi we sab ikkatthhee ho jaate to shayad 5 ya 10 saaal pehle desh aazaad ho jaata..........

kraanti hamesha young blood le kar aata hai.........kyonki usmmee josh hotaa haii......kuch karnee kaa junnoon maximum hota haii........

hum sab yuvvaa aaj bhi ye soch rakhte hain ke MAIN ,, MAIN KHUDD,,, ek leader bann jaaun aur sabhi mere saath challen.....AGAR MAIN AAP SABME SE KISI SE BHI YE KAHUN KE TUM HARYANA KE C.M. BANN JAAOO..........TO SHAYAD HI KOI AISA HOGAA JO MANA KARE KE CHALA JAEGAA ISS OFFERR KO THUKRAA KEE AUR....C.M KI KURSII PARR JA KE BAITH JAEGAA.......IRRESPECTIVE F HAVING ABILITY OR QUALITIES TO BE ON THT CHAIR............UFF.....

AGAR HAMARE DESH MAIN KRANTI NAHI AAI TO YE SABSE BADDAA KARANN RAHA HAII..............

AUR AGAR BHARAT KA YOUTH UU HI RAHEGAA(in same attitude) THN I THINK KRANTI AAEGGII BHII NAHIIII................

HUM SAB KEHTE HAIN KE JO SYSTEM CHAL RAHA HAI WO THEEKK NAHIN HAIII..............BT 4 AFTER THT.....

I THINK WE SHALL THINK OVER IT............WT U THINK........?????
 
no revolution, no revolution.
here people are more interesting in fighting with each other then state.
to fight against state u sud have common suffering.
he is jat, he is harijan, he is muslim, he is sikh.
and people in there spare time discuss revolution.
to satisfy there cowerd soul.
 
India need another revolution, against caste system and crime against women in our society. Bahut khel liya corrupt n cirminals politicans nay caste system ka game .... now if india needs to develope she shld get rid of it. pahle kranti sirf angrezo say aazadi tak thi... par ab kranti chahiye samajh say gandgi saaf karne ko aur is mein youth kay saath saath ladies ko bhi imp role play karna padega.
 
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