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Around 6,000 students committed suicide in 2006
Source: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...itted_suicide_in_2006/articleshow/2872298.cms

In 2006, 5,857 students — or 16 a day — committed suicide across India due to exam stress. And these are just the official figures.

Shimla superintendent of police (crime), Punita Bhardwaj, said incidents of children committing suicide because of examination stress often did not get reported as traumatized parents wanted to keep the issue under wraps.

Anita Naresh, a 16-year-old from Kanpur who swallowed dye last week as she felt she had not done well in her Class X exams, is one of them. Her condition is still critical. A teenager from Chandigarh attempted suicide inside the examination centre but was taken to hospital just in time. Bangalore has witnessed a series of attempted suicides by students denied a hall ticket for a board examination owing to poor attendance.

According to Kolkata psychiatrist Debashish Roy, scores of youngsters seek counselling before and after the exam season and have to be put on medication.

It's not just board exams that get stress levels soaring in students. Entrance tests to professional courses that require extra coaching also have the same effect. St Joseph's Convent, Patna, teacher Shweta Priyadarshini put it best when she said: "Most students face two kinds of pressure: one due to the board examinations and the other due to competitive exams."

Sri Sankara Senior Secondary School, Chennai, class XII student Athreya Mukundsubramanian said he would not have any time to relax after the board examination as he would have to prepare for a series of competitive exams, including the All-India Pre-Medical and Pre-Dental papers and the IIT-JEE.

"I wish I could just fast-forward the next two months," his mother, Gayathri, said. "Why on earth can't the syllabus for entrance tests also be incorporated in the regular college syllabus so that students don't require additional coaching?" Shetty asked.

It is the combination of entrance tests and board exams that some students are finding it difficult to handle. "The examination system itself should be hanged!" That's the passionate cry from Amritsar lawyer B K Joshi. His relative, Amritsar Engineering College student Kanika Sharma died after consuming poison when she failed in mathematics.

Students have often held their teachers solely responsible for suicide. "I will come back as a ghost and harass
my teacher," the suicide note left behind by a student from a prestigious Bangalore school said.

Some students have discovered other mechanisms to deal with the pressure, like running away from home or simply refusing to appear for exams. Two boys from a school in Ahmedabad walked out of their class X board exams for fear of failure. Three students, in three separate incidents in Chandigarh, ran away from home for fear of exams.

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Sumit
 
sumitsehrawat said:
"Why on earth can't the syllabus for entrance tests also be incorporated in the regular college syllabus so that students don't require additional coaching?"
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Its simple , choose one :D as i did it !!!

I only focussed on entrance and was scolded time and again while working on entrance problms in the class room. :(


On a serious note , i think the gap between school and college needs be bridged and my solution would be something like this :


get all ( say for example , those who managed more than 75 % ) into engineering college ! in ne case first year is general , so teach them and during the 1 year process , based on their performance , their institutes can be decided. ( for example : best perfomers can be taken to IITs , and next best to NITs and so on ) PS : I am not discriminating , but only categorising based on performance , because in the end quality also matters!

And i guess another half an year or may be 1 full year can be spent in respective colleges to categorise on what department they need to go.

And for this to happen , we have to make the standard of class 12th a bit high.
( it is well known that class 11th and 9th are harder than 12th and 10th respectively , which should not be the case ) !

And in actuality , we have to think these from lower classes as well , studies should be more focussed and creativity , intelligence should be pursued rather than rote learning !
 
These kids are worried about their future. College and jobs.
Get the government out of education - school and college. No government regulation on syllabus, research spending. capacity etc etc. These kids will have more opportunities, choices and will be treated more humanely by the schools, colleges and parents. Where are the parents in all of this? they are also partly responsible for this.

There is cut-throat competition eveywhere - especially medical / engineering - and what do we have to show for, after all is said and done, we produce an army of drones who do a lot of repetitive computer programming for the developed world. What a shame!! Those poor kids did not need to die for it.

Oh God !! I hate our politicians, but our politicians are just a reflection of the ignorant people who vote for them.
 
sidchhikara said:
These kids are worried about their future. College and jobs.
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Rightly said Sid, Kids must/should behave like kids only ........

sidchhikara said:
Get the government out of education - school and college. No government regulation on syllabus, research spending. capacity etc etc. These kids will have more opportunities, choices and will be treated more humanely by the schools, colleges and parents. Where are the parents in all of this? they are also partly responsible for this.
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The bloody govt. ( more precisely ..... the polticians ) is/are spoiling the future of India by default. I can bet that Indian kids are good to learn whatever they should/would be. Todays parents are spoiling them by having a cunning behaviour like "uska baccha mere bacche se intelligent kyon ?" but they hardly pay any attention to their kids own interests.

sidchhikara said:
There is cut-throat competition eveywhere - especially medical / engineering - and what do we have to show for, after all is said and done, we produce an army of drones who do a lot of repetitive computer programming for the developed world. What a shame!! Those poor kids did not need to die for it.

Oh God !! I hate our politicians, but our politicians are just a reflection of the ignorant people who vote for them.
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Cut throat competition is just becoz of this damn govt thing we have in India ........... where people are so eager to invest on education for the next generation but the govt. just want to show it's superority and off course politicians seems to fill up their Swish bank accounts only.

Now ..... i hope you can understand why i don't like Gandhi, Nehru like politician but admire a Subhash Chandra Bose.
 
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Our biggest mistake is to think of KIDS like KIDS really...

May be their behaviour be kiddish but now a days they are very much smarter than any other GENn.

Respect their SMARTNESS & try to direct their energy into some MEANINGFUL PROJECT or WORK or simply any TASK.

like
-Fill their room with lot's of amazing & knowledgeful books
-Give them sketches, colours & canvas as B'Day gifts
-Let them be the regular reader of children & students sections in newspapers
-Sports
-Try to have some time playing sports with them like Carom & Badminton etc
-Discuss about different places around the world so as to create curiosity for the same
-Discuss success stories of legends
-Never impose success as a compulsion over them, every child is different, so don't kill their talent by overexpectations........be happy & let them be happy yaar:)


&
MOST IMPORTANT

-NEVER BORE THEM WITH YOUR OWN STORIES:):):)

bye
 
Is committing suicide a one minute decision? Mostly people commit suicide at spur of a moment when they find themselves in a situation all gloomy, murky and seemingly difficult to escape. And this is the point where an urge to live bows down in front of the desire of get rid of the situations around.

Now coming to the front of education, some students feel themselves overburdened and still not able to keep pace with the peers around, they succumb to this whole episode and eventually embrace death.

Now the way out. Education is considered to be the certification of one’s ability to lead life prosperously and easily. The motive why people get after their children trying every trick to make them study is many a times a wish to make them earning-machines ! And here lies the root of the problem. There are very few parents who understand and make their children understand the real reason why education is vital!

Education is not just a tool to make one’s life comfortable, respectable and economically sound. It’s a necessity to be able to interact with newer horizons implicit in every human being, to give food to the soul, to be able to find oneself in a situation where the precincts of thinking widen making ground for enlightened vision, realizing the rationale behind many a kinds of acts and much more. Do any parents understand this? If they do, suicide is a far off thing many other problems will also be solved on their on and believe me government has nothing to do with this atleast ! ‘Approach’ that lies behind why one need to study is of foremost importance.

Education policies need to be reframed, lots have to be done to make education not a burden, but a gleeful activity. It may take time but a good parenting need not wait for that. Tell your child how study can do wonders and let them fly freely in the world of burden-free education.

:):)
 
sidchhikara said:
Here is a collection of posts from Atanu Dey on education. All of them are eloquent and honest. Read them if you want to know about the reasons why education sucks in schools and colleges alike.

http://www.deeshaa.org/category/education/
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I don’t say that education system in India is good or even satisfactory. There is a lot to be done to make education a chore worth cherishing rather than an inevitable burden.

My point was that a student should not be forced to the stage when he decides to end his life because his country lacks in proper education environment. A problem doesn’t means one has to choose such an option ! Undoubtedly, our country has a long way to go make its education system near to ideal, but till then we cant die for having deficiencies around !
 
shwetadhaka said:
Is committing suicide a one minute decision? Mostly people commit suicide at spur of a moment when they find themselves in a situation all gloomy, murky and seemingly difficult to escape. And this is the point where an urge to live bows down in front of the desire of get rid of the situations around. ....

Education policies need to be reframed, lots have to be done to make education not a burden, but a gleeful activity. It may take time but a good parenting need not wait for that. Tell your child how study can do wonders and let them fly freely in the world of burden-free education.
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Yes Shweta Di is right when people decide to end their lives they just forget that the phase is temporary and they will get over it. Their urge to live diminshes and they start perceiving death as the only solution to their problems. The changing social scenario where the parents love to start or end their talks boasting about their kids achievements is making more and more students to end their lives. From the time a child starts attending his school he is burdened with the load of expectations (of parents)and stress. Whereas education should be utilized to make man more cultured social being whereas now a days parents perceive it as a money minting element. I think there is a need to change the social mindset of parents. They should learn from others mistakes. They should realize that their child is precious so should not pressurize them to carry the load of their expectations...
 
maniisha said:
Yes Shweta Di is right when people decide to end their lives they just forget that the phase is temporary and they will get over it. Their urge to live diminshes and they start perceiving death as the only solution to their problems. The changing social scenario where the parents love to start or end their talks boasting about their kids achievements is making more and more students to end their lives. From the time a child starts attending his school he is burdened with the load of expectations (of parents)and stress. Whereas education should be utilized to make man more cultured social being whereas now a days parents perceive it as a money minting element. I think there is a need to change the social mindset of parents. They should learn from others mistakes. They should realize that their child is precious so should not pressurize them to carry the load of their expectations...
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Parents ko roz ek baar Taare Zameen Par dekhni chahiye.:)
 
Here are some hard numbers on education by Atanu Dey

The post is here.... http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/03/19/india-spends-13000000000-on-education-abroad/#more-1147

I've posted the complete text here...
India Spends $13,000,000,000 on Education Abroad

March 19th, 2008 · 2 Comments

That’s what a report in the Hindustan Times claims: US $13 billion each year. Figures such as these are unbelievable but I suppose someone must have done the numbers. In any case, I had estimated that number to be around $10 billion a few years ago.
Let’s pause for a moment and figure. $13 billion every year. Or in the last 10 years, about $100 billion. Imagine what you could buy for that money. How about 100 colleges with first class infrastructure with housing, classrooms, labs? Each year India could have an additional capacity for 10,000 college students and in 10 years you could have 100,000 additional capacity. Imagine the multiplier effect of that spending — in construction, in salaries to teaching and non-teaching staff. Imagine the boost to the industry from creating human capital. The imagination boggles at the sheer waste.
Imagine how much infrastructure you could build for $100 billion.
One of the principal lessons one learns as one studies economic development is that success or failure depends largely on the set of economic policies that govern the economy. India, for instance, is poor and economically a failure because its economic policies are extremely brain-dead. Of course one can explain why these brain-dead economic policies exist. We will not visit that now. Here I would only mention that the policy on education is the most brain-dead and that educational policy is largely to blame for why India is poor today, and if the policy is not changed, then it will certainly doom India in the future.

In other words, India is poor because Indian policymakers are either (1) morons who are too bloody stupid to realize that they are continuing to keep India poor and are killing any future that India may have, or (2) they are evil immoral bastards that know what they are doing to the country but do it anyway because by controlling the system they line their own pockets. Or perhaps a combination: some policymakers are of the first kind (morons), and some of the second (bastards.) In end result is the same, however.

Here’s the text of that article — for the record.
Industry body Assocham said on Monday that over $13 billion is spent every year by about 450,000 Indian students on higher education abroad.​

Over 90 per cent of students appearing for the Indian Institutes of Technology (IIT) and the Indian Institute of Management (IIM) entrance examinations are rejected due to capacity constraints, of which the top 40 per cent pay to get admission abroad.​

“Over 150,000 students every year go overseas for university education, which costs India a foreign exchange outflow of 10 billion dollars. This amount is sufficient to build more IIMs and IITs,” it said.​

The primary reason for a large number of Indian students seeking professional education abroad is lack of capacity in Indian institutions. The trend can be reversed by opening series of quality institutes with public-private partnership by completely deregulating higher education, Assocham President Venugopal Dhoot said in a statement.​

Higher education in India is subsidised as an IIT student pays an average 120 dollar monthly fee, while students opting for education in institutions in Australia, Canada, Singapore, the US and UK shell out 1,500-5,000 dollars as fees every month.​

Deregulation of higher education in the country will result in creating annual revenues of 50-100 billion dollars, besides providing 10-20 million additional jobs in the field of education alone, the chamber said. India has only 27,000 foreign students, as compared to four lakh in Australia.​

Assocham further said vocational education in India is a meagre five per cent of its total employed workforce of 459.10 million as against 95 per cent in South Korea, 80 per cent in Japan and 70 per cent in Germany.​
Tags: Rants (Warning: May cause offense) · The Dismal Failure of our Education System · Why is India Poor?
 
sidchhikara said:
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“Over 150,000 students every year go overseas for university education, which costs India a foreign exchange outflow of 10 billion dollars. This amount is sufficient to build more IIMs and IITs,” it said.​
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Sid, it is all too easy to say that we can build more IIMs And IITs but i guess the infrastructure does not provide the education ? Or does it ?


Infact since i have been a part of the IIT system , I can tell some shocking realities , There is severe shortage of staff.

Not to be derogatory but the current recruits as profs in IITs are no where compared to the earlier ones.
In my 5 years in MAths Dept , IIT Delhi , more than 5 professors left the institute to go to either a foreign university or a company.
Thats surely not helping.

Quality is what have taken institutes like IIT and IIM to the top of the world.

Quality is what Indian students have , but the role of a good teacher/prof / system / parenting cant be denied and we are seriously failing in that.
 
anilsinghd said:
Sid, it is all too easy to say that we can build more IIMs And IITs but i guess the infrastructure does not provide the education ? Or does it ?


Infact since i have been a part of the IIT system , I can tell some shocking realities , There is severe shortage of staff.

Not to be derogatory but the current recruits as profs in IITs are no where compared to the earlier ones.
In my 5 years in MAths Dept , IIT Delhi , more than 5 professors left the institute to go to either a foreign university or a company.
Thats surely not helping.
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They are doing what any rational person would do. The reasons why they can be found in every one of those posts on education from Atanu Dey, who BTW also graduated from one of the IIT's. Here is the link...

http://www.deeshaa.org/category/education/

anilsinghd said:
Quality is what have taken institutes like IIT and IIM to the top of the world.

Quality is what Indian students have , but the role of a good teacher/prof / system / parenting cant be denied and we are seriously failing in that.
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IIT and IIM are not top of the world.
The students at these institutes have a lot of potential. that is why they are successful when they get better opportunities abroad. Honestly, I think it is an injustice to all these students who worked so hard to get in, once they are in they realize that there is not a whole lot going on as far research / publications / sponsored projects are concerned. Then they look West and Stanford cuts them a sweet deal. I say good for them.
 
sidchhikara said:
IIT and IIM are not top of the world.
The students at these institutes have a lot of potential. that is why they are successful when they get better opportunities abroad. Honestly, I think it is an injustice to all these students who worked so hard to get in, once they are in they realize that there is not a whole lot going on as far research / publications / sponsored projects are concerned. Then they look West and Stanford cuts them a sweet deal. I say good for them.
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Sid,

I dont buy your view that IIT and IIM are not at the top of the world, I guess even you know that i was referring to that they are among the top.

People do respect these institutions and their students.

Another point i wish to add is that it is their time spent in India which makes them bright.
To substantiate, the competition they face made them what they are.
I have always felt that in my whole education the peers performance had a big role to play.
Just to quote a fact :I would have never worked harder if i was not afraid of loosing my No.3 position :) And the hard work actually led to end up the topper of department. ( Please dont interpret i am boasting of anything here ).

I really really believe that peers have a lot of say in performance. They really do.
 
anilsinghd said:
Sid,

I dont buy your view that IIT and IIM are not at the top of the world, I guess even you know that i was referring to that they are among the top.

People do respect these institutions and their students.

Another point i wish to add is that it is their time spent in India which makes them bright.
To substantiate, the competition they face made them what they are.
I have always felt that in my whole education the peers performance had a big role to play.
Just to quote a fact :I would have never worked harder if i was not afraid of loosing my No.3 position :) And the hard work actually led to end up the topper of department. ( Please dont interpret i am boasting of anything here ).

I really really believe that peers have a lot of say in performance. They really do.
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You seem to be in agreement with me !! If you read my earlier post, you should know that I am on your side.

Since you and your friends are working so hard, maybe you should ask your student union to go ask the lazy dean to also work hard on your behalf and bring in money for research.
Wait a minute ! he is powerless because the HRD ministry has him in chokehold. Arjun Singh does'nt want to honor your hard work, he just wants to dilute it by increasing reservation quota.
Maybe you guys should protest.

That is the game that is being played with you and other people's future for votes. Enjoy. That brings my education argument full circle.

Those posts on education are really good... If you want to read them ...just follow the link.
 
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sidchhikara said:
There are no dependable rankings of world Universities.
This website makes an attempt based on web presence.

IIT Bombay comes in at 559 on world rankings and 39 in Asia.

Here's the link....

http://www.webometrics.info/top100_continent.asp?cont=asia
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Thats true , there is nt a particular ranking. on basis of technology , IITs are ranked 7th in world , but its about people as well ! And IITians and IIM guys can compete with anyone in the world i believe !!!
 
sidchhikara said:
You seem to be in agreement with me !! If you read my earlier post, you should know that I am on your side.

Since you and your friends are working so hard, maybe you should ask your student union to go ask the lazy dean to also work hard on your behalf and bring in money for research.
Wait a minute ! he is powerless because the HRD ministry has him in chokehold. Arjun Singh does'nt want to honor your hard work, he just wants to dilute it by increasing reservation quota.
Maybe you guys should protest.

That is the game that is being played with you and other people's future for votes. Enjoy. That brings my education argument full circle.

Those posts on education are really good... If you want to read them ...just follow the link.
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Hi Sid , I am not a believers in arguments , m a believer of discussions , so even if i quote u , that does not mean that i am going agaisnt you , may be i am substantiating u :)

and u r right in saying that some people like Arjun Singh are trying to dilute things , which is not gonna help i believe , it will make people who are really brilliant frustrated i guess and will lead to more people leving for other countries to satify their intellect.

WEll we did fight against these things , i took part in a rally ( sadly my fotu did not come in newspare :D lol ) !!


but even u know better than me that things in india are not about right always !!! but am an optimist ! :)
 
anilsinghd said:
And IITians and IIM guys can compete with anyone in the world i believe !!!
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I beg to differ.... :)

Some of the worst failures that corporate world has seen in recent past come from these places.

Taking of a quote of Pepsico India's director - "''Students with merely excellent academic track-records make only excellent management trainees. They are inherently averse to risk-taking. Once they are on their own in the real world, they are extremely poor at coping. The IIM-A is producing managers today whereas they need to produce leaders for tomorrow."

Our IIMs still dont give us hands on experience in India, and that is why we see many people opting to go abroad when it comes to MBA.
 
desijat said:
I beg to differ.... :)

Some of the worst failures that corporate world has seen in recent past come from these places.

Taking of a quote of Pepsico India's director - "''Students with merely excellent academic track-records make only excellent management trainees. They are inherently averse to risk-taking. Once they are on their own in the real world, they are extremely poor at coping. The IIM-A is producing managers today whereas they need to produce leaders for tomorrow."

Our IIMs still dont give us hands on experience in India, and that is why we see many people opting to go abroad when it comes to MBA.
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Those people go abroad only when they do not get admission in Top Indian institutes. If you think that IIMs' and IITs" are not producing good leaders then the Managers of top companies who are hiring these graduates are fool. If you do a survey then you will find that there are many CEO's of american companies in USA who are graduates from IIM and IIT. In the last I will say you should not be jealous of IITs' and IIMs'.
 
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