nathu ram godse was wrong or we ?

[vairesatendra]

such a dual behaviour ....ppl are ashamed of mallika sehrawat but if smone says abt gandhi having two girls on eah side....it's termed as narrow mindness.................jats feeling ashamed on account of Mallika are really narrow minded and r not able to digest the modernisation of jats....go and hide yrself in veils........... just like a conventional bhartiya naari................

Bhai aisa nahi hai...both of the girls were his relatives ! This is not like that "TWO GIRLS ON EACH SIDE"

 

[vairesatendra]

I reiterate SEEMA G !

in d context of bhagat singh's heroism n gandhi's schematic agitation against britons, i wud like 2 ask one thing which mode is heroic/foolish? to fight a lion withut gun as bhagat singh did (he offered his life so readily in jail) or kill d lion with invisible gun as gandhi did (gandhi liberated nt only india slow poisoning britishers, rather he set d bristish colonisation sun all over d world). it's better to fight 4 a short period n wash hands off ur life (bhagat) or fight in long run 2 diminish d evil 4ever withut loosing ur life (gandhi) n yet foster s fear tht only wid one stick he had a terror in d minds of bristishers which bhagat's guns cudnt?

well thts d difference in immature n mature, aatma n mahatma (PS: i respect bhagat from core of heart bt d mode of stuggle was foolish)

Seema G, I again reiterate on this post of yours as follows :-

It is simply not true that India’s Independence was the fruit of Gandhian non-violent agitation. He was close to the British in terms of culture and shared ethical values, which is why sometimes he could successfully bargain with them, but even they stood firm against his pressure when their vital interests were at stake. It is only Britain’s bankruptcy due to World War 2 and the emergence of the anti-colonial United States and Soviet Union as the dominant world powers that forced Clement Attlee’s government into decolonising India. Even then, the trigger events in 1945-47 that demonstrated how the Indian people would not tolerate British rule for much longer, had to do with armed struggle rather than with non-violence: the naval mutiny of Indian troops and the ostentatious nationwide support for the officers of Neta Ji Subhash Bose’s Axis-collaborationist Indian National Army when they stood trial for treason in the Red Fort.

And The Respected Bhagat Singh, Rajguru and Sukhdev could have fled away, but they didnt as the Britishers called them as "Terrorists" and not the "REVOLUTIONIST". And wanted to awaken the common youth and the common people of the country.

And will u say the same thing as for Bhagat Singh for NETA JI too...???

 

[vairesatendra]

y d hell u folks limitise gandhi only 2 freedom struggle. he was loved all ovr d world 4 lot many reasons besides freedom thing...he is mor popular 4 his mode of tackling things and as a simple person

Seema G thand te kaam leo......Bhagat Singh and all his fellow too would have been love in rest of the world...if they got a chance to visit abroad......unka passport nahi bana ke diya tha Britishers ne...

Ok...Look...Britishers were the greatest rulers and they ruled most part of th globe and have written the history on their will (puri nahi likh sakte the wo).

They called the Bhagat Singh and others as "Terrorists" and people abroad dont know the actual situation.

Ab kal morning me continue karenge...Gud NITE all of you !

 

[amitabh4ever]

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Human memory is short and history is a complex subject. With the passage of time, history also changes. Sometimes villains become heroes after some time. For example, yesterday’s most hated person, Adolf Hitler, is again gaining popularity among German youths. Reasons – whatever he did was not for his personal gain but for the upliftment of the nation. Yesterday’s hero, Stalin, is now a villain in the eyes of Russians.

Hitler’s words are popular even today: “If a lie is repeated a hundred times, it gets converted to truth in the eyes of public”. So, propaganda or advertisement is also a sleepy dose which nullifies the other side of the coin. Since Gandhiji has gained a special image in our minds because of whatever we have read in textbooks, hardly anyone gets ready to listen to arguments to the contrary. Most of us have not seen the bloodshed at the time of partition and the trauma of the sufferers, some of whom blamed Gandhi as responsible for all this. While none would consent the killing of Gandhiji by Godse, the voice needs to be heard and the material written on the site be read. Gandhi will not be converted to a villain so soon. So, take it easy !
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dayanandji,
i agree with you. hitler is becoming popular again in the eyes of the youth because what he did was for the nation. however, let's not forget what he did for his personal reasons: the extermination of 6 million jews. i think that's enough to make a man a villain. hitler was a monster and that's the end of it. to put him in the category of mahatma gandhi is to do a great injustice to gandhi. gandhi was a good person and he did what he could. remember, he didn't want a partition but still it occurred because that's what the majority wanted. he was capable of leading india to independence because indians at the time, (hindu, muslims, sikhs) had a commmon enemy, the brits. so, they readily followed gandhi wholeheartedly. but, once the brits were gone, the started fighting among themselves due to historical differences. that is when things went out of gandhi's control. essentially, gandhi did what he was dedicated to...independence. we can never thank him enough for that.

jai bapuji ki!

 

[prashantacmet]

Theek kahi aapne.....................

If we could have read a bit more about Bhagat Singh and gandhi our responces could have been much better.

Bhagat Singh and others were not caught but they delibrately stayed and got them arrested .Their aim was to let britishers know that Indians don't fear their life and if they will kill Indians their own life won't be safe than .Another aim was to arouse a great passion by showing supreme sacrifice among common people and the result was more than desired .All over India huge demonstrations were carried out .Brtishers feared repraisal and offered to release Bhagat Singh .Negotiations at round table conference are well documented and are preserved in british records for researchers.Why was he hanged than ,is not a big mystery .


Experts commenting on Chouri Choura kand and incidents there after simply say Gandhi just wasted the sacrifices of Indian people and delayed Indian Indipendence for some decades.

Ghandhi was projected by some influential capitalists of that time like Birla ,Jamna Lal Bajaj who had their own papers along with britishers who saw in him a soft vent out opportunity of boiling Indian passions .His advocacy of trustee ownership by rich could only be undestoof by Birla Dalmiya and Bajaj not by common poor man.His pretence that he is with Choudhary Chotu Ram Choudhary Sikander Hyat khan and others over non Divison of India and all of sudden agreeing to it on the spur of moment lead to a panic shift of population and murders of millions of innocent Hindu Sikh and muslims not to say of rapers of women and loss of property .


Though I am not a great critic of Gandhi as he was much better than many others like Hindu Mahasabha and league guys or Godse who could not be condoned ,but to call him Father of Nation will be totally wrong which rightly belonged to greats like Subash Chander Bose and Bhagat Singh Sandhu who were ready to pay any price for their motherland.

Theek kahi aapne

 

[ssindhu]

Seema G, I again reiterate on this post of yours as follows :-

It is simply not true that India’s Independence was the fruit of Gandhian non-violent agitation. He was close to the British in terms of culture and shared ethical values, which is why sometimes he could successfully bargain with them, but even they stood firm against his pressure when their vital interests were at stake. It is only Britain’s bankruptcy due to World War 2 and the emergence of the anti-colonial United States and Soviet Union as the dominant world powers that forced Clement Attlee’s government into decolonising India. Even then, the trigger events in 1945-47 that demonstrated how the Indian people would not tolerate British rule for much longer, had to do with armed struggle rather than with non-violence: the naval mutiny of Indian troops and the ostentatious nationwide support for the officers of Neta Ji Subhash Bose’s Axis-collaborationist Indian National Army when they stood trial for treason in the Red Fort.

And The Respected Bhagat Singh, Rajguru and Sukhdev could have fled away, but they didnt as the Britishers called them as "Terrorists" and not the "REVOLUTIONIST". And wanted to awaken the common youth and the common people of the country.

And will u say the same thing as for Bhagat Singh for NETA JI too...???

He was close to the British in terms of culture and shared ethical values, which is why sometimes he could successfully bargain with them,....

funny. i cnt stop laughing. u mean to say freedom was a vegetable tht gandhi cud bargain 4? anywz many a ppl hav raised dis point of proximity of gandhi wid britons, so u guys think britons were foolish tht they will let go 200 yrs of rule 4 a proximity wid a man? wat cn b mor foolish argument thn dis...boss d real thing is gandhi was a schematic man, he was crowd puller simply coz of his conviction to his ideologies...n tht scared britons. remember churchill was startled wid gandhi's popularity all ovr world n said "dis half naked fakir with stick is gonna ruin british empire". or he was close to churchill as well?

 

[vpannu]

Experts commenting on Chouri Choura kand and incidents there after simply say Gandhi just wasted the sacrifices of Indian people and delayed Indian Indipendence for some decades. Godse who could not be condoned

Who are these experts? What distinction do they hold to say that Gandhi delayed our independence? What Nathu did? Can you name even a single thing? Show some gratitude to them. To me everyone who fought for our independence is mahatma. We cant caliberate their sacrifices on any scale.
arrr bane banaaye khaane mein te koye bhi nukks kaadh dega, jib khud banaana pade jib bera paatte hai asli maanas ka.

y d hell u folks limitise gandhi only 2 freedom struggle. he was loved all ovr d world 4 lot many reasons besides freedom thing

Well said, He fought against racism and poverty too (global curses). Probably thats why he is loved all over otherwise why would other countries give a damn about India's fight for independence. His statue still sits there at Pietermaritzburg (SA) for that train incident.

 

[mukeshkumar007]

aangrejon ko jab laga ki ab wo yahan raaj nahi ker sakte kyonki unki apni family apne log wahan safe nahi hai ,

hahaha bhai mahan hai tu..sachi maie..

.aaj tak koi bhi kranti bina khoon ke nahi aayi

aur koi bi khooni kranti safal nahi huwi hai... aur bhai present context maie aap us time ki situation ko analysis kar ke chaloge to assumptions ulta hi hota hai.. us time log angrezo ke bare maie baat karne se bi darte the log...aise time maie kaunsi khooni karanti azadi dilwa deti..kitne k log aa jate banduk lekar ladai karne...jo ek consolidated empire ka samna karne jo unse kai guna takatvar tha.. agar gandhiji ne bi hathiyar utane wali baat kehi hoti to azadi milne maie shyed aur kai 50 saal lag sakte the..gandhiji ne yeh realize kiya ki sabse pehle logo ke maan se angreji goli ka darr nikalna hoga aur yeh sab banduk utha ke nai nahi nikala ja sakta tha kyoki banduk to darr maie hi uthai jati hai... maie yeh nai keh reha ki Gandhiji se koi galti nai huwi..wo bi ek insaan tha aur jaisa ki har inssan ki kuch strengths hoti hai to kuch weakness...ho sakta hai kuch decision us time ki situation maie sehi lag reha hoo ja baad maie disaster sabit ho gaya...hum apni personal life maie bi kai baar aise decision le lete hai jin par zindagi bhar pachtana padata hai..
Rehi baat ki Gandhiji ne ajadi dilwayi ya nai to ek baar aap gandhiji ka chapter hamare freedom movement maie se hata do phir dekho..then u will get the answer...

Whatever be the reasons to me Nathu ram godse was a terrorist..

 

[ssindhu]

hahaha bhai mahan hai tu..sachi maie..




aur koi bi khooni kranti safal nahi huwi hai... aur bhai present context maie aap us time ki situation ko analysis kar ke chaloge to assumptions ulta hi hota hai.. us time log angrezo ke bare maie baat karne se bi darte the log...aise time maie kaunsi khooni karanti azadi dilwa deti..kitne k log aa jate banduk lekar ladai karne...jo ek consolidated empire ka samna karne jo unse kai guna takatvar tha.. agar gandhiji ne bi hathiyar utane wali baat kehi hoti to azadi milne maie shyed aur kai 50 saal lag sakte the..gandhiji ne yeh realize kiya ki sabse pehle logo ke maan se angreji goli ka darr nikalna hoga aur yeh sab banduk utha ke nai nahi nikala ja sakta tha kyoki banduk to darr maie hi uthai jati hai... maie yeh nai keh reha ki Gandhiji se koi galti nai huwi..wo bi ek insaan tha aur jaisa ki har inssan ki kuch strengths hoti hai to kuch weakness...ho sakta hai kuch decision us time ki situation maie sehi lag reha hoo ja baad maie disaster sabit ho gaya...hum apni personal life maie bi kai baar aise decision le lete hai jin par zindagi bhar pachtana padata hai..
Rehi baat ki Gandhiji ne ajadi dilwayi ya nai to ek baar aap gandhiji ka chapter hamare freedom movement maie se hata do phir dekho..then u will get the answer...

Whatever be the reasons to me Nathu ram godse was a terrorist..

Rehi baat ki Gandhiji ne ajadi dilwayi ya nai to ek baar aap gandhiji ka chapter hamare freedom movement maie se hata do phir dekho..then u will get the answer...


fer te kimme bhi na bachega buddy. a big applaud 4 u on dis. great wit n humor...kudos man kudos 2 u

 

[vairesatendra]

He was close to the British in terms of culture and shared ethical values, which is why sometimes he could successfully bargain with them,....

funny. i cnt stop laughing. u mean to say freedom was a vegetable tht gandhi cud bargain 4? anywz many a ppl hav raised dis point of proximity of gandhi wid britons, so u guys think britons were foolish tht they will let go 200 yrs of rule 4 a proximity wid a man? wat cn b mor foolish argument thn dis...boss d real thing is gandhi was a schematic man, he was crowd puller simply coz of his conviction to his ideologies...n tht scared britons. remember churchill was startled wid gandhi's popularity all ovr world n said "dis half naked fakir with stick is gonna ruin british empire". or he was close to churchill as well?

I edited this post as I forgot to write SEEMA "G"...

Hmmm...Seema G, I m sorry to say this, but...let it be...we are having a healthy discussion and thats good...!

I never mean to say that freedom was cake walk or vegetable that gandhi could bargain 4, India got freedom because of the aftermaths of WW - II and ultimately polarization of the WORLD i.e. emergence of Russia and US as the two super power helped India procure its Independence...and at the same time...Labor Party's (Mr. Atlee) govt was there in England, which have some sympathy for the Indian Freedom Movement...!

I were only the Britons who made Gandhi a HERO...eventually they have mended the history their own way...!

And about Churchill, I will say that, he had never been to India, he has just only read about Gandhi in the daily's and it was the British Press who wrote about Gandhi...! And Gandhi and Nehru were the only Persons who were presented in a better manner by the Britons...as they couldn't have presented the Better image of NETAJI and Bhagat Singh as Bhagat Singh was regarded as the "Terrorist" and "NETAJI joined the Axis powers against the BRITONS...

Agar wo aisa karte to, rest of the world would regard it as the dual standards of the Britons.

This is what we call it a Politics and diplomacy...And Gandhi was a Political leader...!

If the Popularity of Gandhi was so much, then why NETAJI caused GANDHI(in fact, supported candidate of GANDHI), for two consecutive election of the President of Congress...And Why Gandhi segment caused the NETAJI to resign, and which ultimately lead to the formation FORWARD BLOCK?????

 

[vairesatendra]

@Seema G !

Following are the comments by Mr. Churchill about the INDIANS and on the eve of Indian INDEPENDENCE...!

"I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion."

On the EVE of INDIAN INDEPENDENCE, Mr. Churchill said,

"Power will go to the hands of rascals, rogues and freebooters. All Indian leaders will be of low calibre and men of straw. "

Seema G, Churchill was nowhere in favor of granting Freedom to INDIANS. He commented even after knowing that Gandhi and his collegues will be leading INDIA...!

 

[vairesatendra]

Hi,

you think nehru was better administartor than sardar patel, bhai agar aisa hota toh aaj kashmir aur hyderabad india main nahee hote...
haan nehru ne yeh kaam jaroor kiya kashmir ki problem main UN main utha dee aur 1962 main china se war haar gaye...
yeh hi kyaa merits the uske ????
agar yeh hi merits the toh for aapko sonia gandhi bhi bahut badee leader lagtee hogee...

Jitender

I agree with Jitender. The India was facing a very hard time at the time of INDEPENDENCE and in such situations NEHRU was the wrong choice for the PM. We needed a much robust and strong PM than NEHRU as INDIA was burning at the time of INDEPENDENCE. And all of us know it quite well that what was the failure of NEHRU.

 

[ssindhu]

Following are the comments by Mr. Churchill about the INDIANS and on the eve of Indian INDEPENDENCE...!

"I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion."

On the EVE of INDIAN INDEPENDENCE, Mr. Churchill said,

"Power will go to the hands of rascals, rogues and freebooters. All Indian leaders will be of low calibre and men of straw. "

Seema G, Churchill was nowhere in favor of granting Freedom to INDIANS. He commented even after knowing that Gandhi and his collegues will be leading INDIA...!

i still disagree wid u buddy n it seems we will keep on agreeing 2 disgree. so lets leave it...bt churchill's 2nd quote was apt...i lov him 4 dis. rn't we rules by rascals, rogues n freebooters?

 

[prashantacmet]

Gandhi was not a mahatma but a wicked politician and offered the leadership of this country to his illegitimate beloved...............

 

[rohit62]

mahatama

i still disagree wid u buddy n it seems we will keep on agreeing 2 disgree. so lets leave it...bt churchill's 2nd quote was apt...i lov him 4 dis. rn't we rules by rascals, rogues n freebooters?

seems ,there,s jus no point in convincing ,satender G , prashant G an the like , ull unnecsary age urself tryng to convince them, don tire urself there,s nothing left in this thread now .

 

[rohit62]

mahatama

Gandhi was not a mahatma but a wicked politician and offered the leadership of this country to his illegitimate beloved...............

bhai prashant, ib shanth ho jao, aap ek line likh do soo , gandhi was not mahatama aur aade 4 din te bawle ho liye aapp ne samja samja ke.
bhai jaise aap khete hoo maan liya .. kyun hamare baal dhole karwase, ib tayi toh bach re se par ib tu inhne jhadwa ke manne ga .

 

[ssindhu]

bhai prashant, ib shanth ho jao, aap ek line likh do soo , gandhi was not mahatama aur hum 4 din te bawle ho liye aapp ne samja samja ke.
bhai jukar aap koh so man laa ge .. kyun hamare baal dhole karwase, ib tayi toh bach re se par ib tu inhne jhadwa ke manne ga .

koi na rohit. baadaam rogan hai na. lol. ok chum if u say, i wont slog more here in dis thread.

 

[prashantacmet]

ROOKKKAAAAAA@ Gandheela Gandhi.........................
taalla lya dyo iss taage pai eibb......................

 

[vairesatendra]

i still disagree wid u buddy n it seems we will keep on agreeing 2 disgree. so lets leave it...bt churchill's 2nd quote was apt...i lov him 4 dis. rn't we rules by rascals, rogues n freebooters?

Hmmm......Well, Seema G, this is not a new thing that people continue to disagree at some matters, and this is always a part of a healthy discussion. And I agree to your willingness to leave this...!

At least this is always a good thing in democracy...!

And Seema G! Mr. Churchill's 2nd comment was on those who were going to take the reins of INDIA just after the Independence ... !

 

[cooljat]

Ladai Ladai maaf karo Gandhiji ko yaad karo

Gandhiji Ahimsa ka pujari tha.....lekin uski fotu usi cheez pe chep di jiski sabse jyada ladai hai......guess wats that???

Sahi Jawab dene wale ko Inaam milega....barabar milega

On a serious note: if he is sucha celebrated Bapu/Mahatma in India n abroad ofcourse, why dont we follow his path ....why the hell we expenditure soooo much on defence .... 24% of budget????



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Jit