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every now and then i come across NGOs, govt, feminists and other civil bodies creating ruckus over sex determination tests...came across another bullshit article in mail today where some NGO wants a website selling sex identification kits to be blocked...

i am of opinion is that this is a stupid fashion...i have been against ban on sex determination since beginning. my point is it has more negative aspects than positive. first, they can stop the people aborting a female child; but can't coercion them to treat a girl at par with boy, so it's of no help...infact a bigger crime...it's better to kill one in womb than kill her everyday while alive.

secondly, it leads to population explosion, which is my biggest concern, people will keep having kids till they get boy. worst.

thirdly, say, i have a boy and now i wish to have a girl to make a complete family or have a girl and now wish to have a boy...not because i love boy but becuase i want a complete family to enjoy both the sexes...where's my freedom to fulfill by wish...


i hate bloody NGOs...i tell you they are all for wrong causes...
 
every now and then i come across NGOs, govt, feminists and other civil bodies creating ruckus over sex determination tests...came across another bullshit article in mail today where some NGO wants a website selling sex identification kits to be blocked...

i am of opinion is that this is a stupid fashion...i have been against ban on sex determination since beginning. my point is it has more negative aspects than positive. first, they can stop the people aborting a female child; but can't coercion them to treat a girl at par with boy, so it's of no help...infact a bigger crime...it's better to kill one in womb than kill her everyday while alive.

secondly, it leads to population explosion, which is my biggest concern, people will keep having kids till they get boy. worst.

thirdly, say, i have a boy and now i wish to have a girl to make a complete family or have a girl and now wish to have a boy...not because i love boy but becuase i want a complete family to enjoy both the sexes...where's my freedom to fulfill by wish...


i hate bloody NGOs...i tell you they are all for wrong causes...

I quite agree with you but at the same time it's much more complicated - Sex ratios, biological equilibrium, of course unwanted child births & abandonment, unwanted responsibilities, costs... Unless the Govt. comes out with concrete forumla to embrace Sex Determination & Medical Termination of Pregnancy, while also implementing in "real sense" care for the girl child, spread education on such topics, get tough on social evils against parents of a girl such as dowry, overall cut down in crime ... getting tough on women indulging into similar stuff... i dont see anything happening for real and this will die down as just another debate. We've chosen some bad leaders and also culturally we're more of a quarrelling, destructive and uselessly controversial country. We love to argue for the sake & its quite amazing to actually see the logics/reasoning behind most of such arguments esp at the top level.

Sometimes, i wish we could have military rule .... with some really good leaders. Senior School education be made more practical and maybe like Israel everyone be made to serve for at least 2 yrs. Maybe im getting extreme now :-)
 
A complicated issue to pass judgement on !:)

Imagine a situation, no ban on sex determination and even the ones who could have been barred from commiting this act openly start doing this, and also some unwilling mothers pressurised emotionally by the family coming forward to do this, then what will be the future after a couple of years?

Just ask someone, do you wish to have a baby boy and there will be a yes most of the times and the end result, girls will die many deaths, not just because of the reason that they are sexually discriminated by each strata of society as is the case now, but there will be many other problems to face owing to lower sex ratio !

And will there be an end to the quest of the people for having a baby boy if this is made optional? I dont think so, moreover, sex discrimination will come out on the surface in a more bad shape.

Remedy is not that simple and a one day game. A ban is required and it must be followed strictly and in true spirit. Allowing someone to kill a girl child in womb can never put an end to the problem. An end to this problem will come up to surface eventually and gradually.

A crime can never vanish by allowing it to take place openly without check !

Laws are indispensable until and unless people know how to be in their limits and keep away from doing what is regarded as not in conformity with societal norms at large.
 
Sometimes, i wish we could have military rule ....

Had it been the military rule to jo roj roj log yeh freedom of expression freedom of wish..freedom of phaland freedom of dhikad karte rehte hai uska kya hota…:confused::confused: I wonder If people whatever they are writing could ever write the same in that situation :confused::confused:
 
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I quite agree with you but at the same time it's much more complicated - Sex ratios, biological equilibrium, of course unwanted child births & abandonment, unwanted responsibilities, costs... Unless the Govt. comes out with concrete forumla to embrace Sex Determination & Medical Termination of Pregnancy, while also implementing in "real sense" care for the girl child, spread education on such topics, get tough on social evils against parents of a girl such as dowry, overall cut down in crime ... getting tough on women indulging into similar stuff... i dont see anything happening for real and this will die down as just another debate. We've chosen some bad leaders and also culturally we're more of a quarrelling, destructive and uselessly controversial country. We love to argue for the sake & its quite amazing to actually see the logics/reasoning behind most of such arguments esp at the top level.

Sometimes, i wish we could have military rule .... with some really good leaders. Senior School education be made more practical and maybe like Israel everyone be made to serve for at least 2 yrs. Maybe im getting extreme now :-)

i am least bothered about depleting sex ratio...my theory says that let it be...and believe me it will prove to be a boon for woman race...this way only people will get to know their importance

as far as military rule is concerned, it's a screwing idea...rape of democracy
 
A complicated issue to pass judgement on !:)

Imagine a situation, no ban on sex determination and even the ones who could have been barred from commiting this act openly start doing this, and also some unwilling mothers pressurised emotionally by the family coming forward to do this, then what will be the future after a couple of years?

Just ask someone, do you wish to have a baby boy and there will be a yes most of the times and the end result, girls will die many deaths, not just because of the reason that they are sexually discriminated by each strata of society as is the case now, but there will be many other problems to face owing to lower sex ratio !

And will there be an end to the quest of the people for having a baby boy if this is made optional? I dont think so, moreover, sex discrimination will come out on the surface in a more bad shape.

Remedy is not that simple and a one day game. A ban is required and it must be followed strictly and in true spirit. Allowing someone to kill a girl child in womb can never put an end to the problem. An end to this problem will come up to surface eventually and gradually.

A crime can never vanish by allowing it to take place openly without check !

Laws are indispensable until and unless people know how to be in their limits and keep away from doing what is regarded as not in conformity with societal norms at large.


feeble, unsupported and stupid emotional thoughts...

to hell with society...first leran to think of individual freedom and well being...then society...

it sounds more like a bloody potty-mouthed politician who rob people of their personal pleasure in name of ****ing society which is nothing but a myth...

why don't people understand that nothing like society exists...if you believe, it's there, else it's not...

and tell me one thing...has crime against woman decreased after this ban of sex determination tests

one grave problem with bloody ignorant indians is that they don't wish to exist as individuals...leran to worship your individuality and your prerogatives...and we will be a properous country
 
one grave problem with bloody ignorant indians is that they don't wish to exist as individuals...leran to worship your individuality and your prerogatives...and we will be a properous country

can you elaborate more on it ? to me both words seem completely contradictory!!

And is it so necessary to use these adjectives like ignorant bloody before Indians ??
 
can you elaborate more on it ? to me both words seem completely contradictory!!

And is it so necessary to use these adjectives like ignorant bloody before Indians ??

first i wrote of individuality and then i wrote of country...hope now your confusion settles now...though it should not have occured at all, it was all in place
 
An open letter !

feeble, unsupported and stupid emotional thoughts...

to hell with society...first leran to think of individual freedom and well being...then society...

it sounds more like a bloody potty-mouthed politician who rob people of their personal pleasure in name of ****ing society which is nothing but a myth...

why don't people understand that nothing like society exists...if you believe, it's there, else it's not...

and tell me one thing...has crime against woman decreased after this ban of sex determination tests

one grave problem with bloody ignorant indians is that they don't wish to exist as individuals...leran to worship your individuality and your prerogatives...and we will be a properous country

May be the thoughts appear to be feeble or emotional, but emotions are a non detachable part of any human being’s persona. There can’t exist any individual without this trait missing and that’s a universal fact!

And I guess there is no intelligence in passing a statement like these are stupid or unsupported thoughts, and more so, by a supporter of democracy! Isnt it? People have all right to think differently and that’s not a problem, neither should this be attacked in a non-dignified manner as its a sign of being alive and capable of bringing on the surface various schools of thoughts and newer approaches.

And running after someone with a sword of words in hand just because of the fact that he thinks differently is not at all a trait of an intelligent head, though no one can stop someone from flouting wobbly!

If the primary idea is to hell with society then the entire rationale of discussing anything on a “SOCIAL” forum gets stained and disfigured. If one has to mind his way in the manner he or she likes to and he pays a damn to the society or everyone around then what’s the logic behind writing for someone else to read! Better write for yourself, read for yourself and live for yourself, what’s the point bombarding people over here……… sheer waste of time on bloody ignorant people of ****ing society around !!

And let me answer your respectfully why don’t the people accept your logics to be paramount and concluding! People are meant to be people and have their own opinions and way of perceiving things and they can’t be deprived of this sovereignty in this comportment. You cant impose on them your logics by saying bad words and calling them ignorant. If you regard them ignorant and yourself as an educated intellectual then I qualm whether such people look nice paying damn to the society as a whole. In fact its your responsibility to talk softly and assist we lesser educate ones to breathe in an air of intellectualism!

Not all can be expected to be born genius like you ! Not all can be just complete, just knowing always what is right and what not, and that’s a law of nature and must be accepted with a tender heart. A tender heart and an undying approach to help people in at least trying to see and understand what is more good for them is the only remedy to resolve any problem and I am very sorry to say that calling bad names to the society and people with different approaches is quite derogatory and a problem more grave than these problems!!

What have you done to clear such problems other than using fetid language for the people, just think for a while, a person who decides to kill his would be girl child even before she is born, then what makes him do so? Is it very easy ? Just think ! I am not saying they are correct, but more importantly, there are many interlinked problems which need open minded and educated people like you to come forward, not with a packet of absurd remarks, but with a serving hand and softness in attitude.

Thinking very high and just abusing someone is not a tough nut to crack, but serving people with real life examples with a smile on face, with a tender approach is surely a tough task my dear friend ! A leader to be a leader in true spirit has not to dictate rules harshly or abusively, he has to present a living example and prompt people to look at him for deriving their own personal decisions by just his own dignified conduct. One has to stand large with a tranquil character, but a strong presentation of someone who can be looked as a person of wits and whose sentence can be regarded as one which can’t be left unheard so easily!

Respecting ones individuality goes hand in hand with respecting the people around ! If you cant respect others, you can never respect yourself. It’s a true fact that man has born to be social and however hard it may try, he can live serenely if he observes social conduct in an acceptable manner and thereby makes out a path from amidst everyone to shine differently with his different but more importantly, acceptable approach.

A teacher can never make a good citizen by teaching his or her students by slapping them every now and then! Teacher has to be calm, has to understand why the kids aren’t understanding a particular thing and come out with a new way of teaching them, but a polite way! There is no substitute of decency! And we are all open to accept newer ways, but let them appear convincing and respectful!
 
May be the thoughts appear to be feeble or emotional, but emotions are a non detachable part of any human being’s persona. There can’t exist any individual without this trait missing and that’s a universal fact!

And I guess there is no intelligence in passing a statement like these are stupid or unsupported thoughts, and more so, by a supporter of democracy! Isnt it? People have all right to think differently and that’s not a problem, neither should this be attacked in a non-dignified manner as its a sign of being alive and capable of bringing on the surface various schools of thoughts and newer approaches.

And running after someone with a sword of words in hand just because of the fact that he thinks differently is not at all a trait of an intelligent head, though no one can stop someone from flouting wobbly!

If the primary idea is to hell with society then the entire rationale of discussing anything on a “SOCIAL” forum gets stained and disfigured. If one has to mind his way in the manner he or she likes to and he pays a damn to the society or everyone around then what’s the logic behind writing for someone else to read! Better write for yourself, read for yourself and live for yourself, what’s the point bombarding people over here……… sheer waste of time on bloody ignorant people of ****ing society around !!

And let me answer your respectfully why don’t the people accept your logics to be paramount and concluding! People are meant to be people and have their own opinions and way of perceiving things and they can’t be deprived of this sovereignty in this comportment. You cant impose on them your logics by saying bad words and calling them ignorant. If you regard them ignorant and yourself as an educated intellectual then I qualm whether such people look nice paying damn to the society as a whole. In fact its your responsibility to talk softly and assist we lesser educate ones to breathe in an air of intellectualism!

Not all can be expected to be born genius like you ! Not all can be just complete, just knowing always what is right and what not, and that’s a law of nature and must be accepted with a tender heart. A tender heart and an undying approach to help people in at least trying to see and understand what is more good for them is the only remedy to resolve any problem and I am very sorry to say that calling bad names to the society and people with different approaches is quite derogatory and a problem more grave than these problems!!

What have you done to clear such problems other than using fetid language for the people, just think for a while, a person who decides to kill his would be girl child even before she is born, then what makes him do so? Is it very easy ? Just think ! I am not saying they are correct, but more importantly, there are many interlinked problems which need open minded and educated people like you to come forward, not with a packet of absurd remarks, but with a serving hand and softness in attitude.

Thinking very high and just abusing someone is not a tough nut to crack, but serving people with real life examples with a smile on face, with a tender approach is surely a tough task my dear friend ! A leader to be a leader in true spirit has not to dictate rules harshly or abusively, he has to present a living example and prompt people to look at him for deriving their own personal decisions by just his own dignified conduct. One has to stand large with a tranquil character, but a strong presentation of someone who can be looked as a person of wits and whose sentence can be regarded as one which can’t be left unheard so easily!

Respecting ones individuality goes hand in hand with respecting the people around ! If you cant respect others, you can never respect yourself. It’s a true fact that man has born to be social and however hard it may try, he can live serenely if he observes social conduct in an acceptable manner and thereby makes out a path from amidst everyone to shine differently with his different but more importantly, acceptable approach.

A teacher can never make a good citizen by teaching his or her students by slapping them every now and then! Teacher has to be calm, has to understand why the kids aren’t understanding a particular thing and come out with a new way of teaching them, but a polite way! There is no substitute of decency! And we are all open to accept newer ways, but let them appear convincing and respectful!

thanx a lot for this socio-emotional crap...made my day...pathetic things make great for humor...great comic piece i can write on scornfully...but don't wish to here and neither have time
 
thanx a lot for this socio-emotional crap...made my day...pathetic things make great for humor...great comic piece i can write on scornfully...but don't wish to here and neither have time

Well, its fine take it the way you wish to ! I just intended to respectfully state my views and seek your help to do something concrete in making ignorant India enlightened so that you can pat your back for not criticising the whole country but setting an example of being a good citizen!
 
Science has progressed a lot, it has given us lot more freedom/choices to excerise, be it sex determination or any other part of our day to day living.

But does that mean we should not think about consequences/impact of our choices when we wish to act upon them.

If our choice (i.e. sex determination of the unborn child) results in ending of life that surely cannot be correct.
 
Kudos to the two young ladies

Well, feels pretty good to know that our women can go to extremes concerning the social problems. But, in the jargon above, you two forgot the very sense of expressions.

I can not agree with something what Miss Seema has written. Had this rule been implemented before you were born, I am not sure if I would have been reading your melodious words at this point of time. On one hand, you talk about being ignorant of anything called society, on the other hand you write this whole essay for the society to read.

It is always good to put the science to the good use and to something that helps society. I am not sure, how lifting the ban from sex-determination can be considered ethical. Statistics prove that sex-ratio has decreased at a slower rate than before when there was no ban in place. Society needs more and more women to lead the way. India is not the only society where there is discrimination against women. It doesnt mean that we dont let 'em to come to this world in first place. It pinches more when a woman is quoting againt women. I totally agree with Deepak, we should see to it that people are made to follow it more strictly.

There is always light at the end of every tunnel....so rock on !!!
 
Well, feels pretty good to know that our women can go to extremes concerning the social problems. But, in the jargon above, you two forgot the very sense of expressions.

I can not agree with something what Miss Seema has written. Had this rule been implemented before you were born, I am not sure if I would have been reading your melodious words at this point of time. On one hand, you talk about being ignorant of anything called society, on the other hand you write this whole essay for the society to read.

It is always good to put the science to the good use and to something that helps society. I am not sure, how lifting the ban from sex-determination can be considered ethical. Statistics prove that sex-ratio has decreased at a slower rate than before when there was no ban in place. Society needs more and more women to lead the way. India is not the only society where there is discrimination against women. It doesnt mean that we dont let 'em to come to this world in first place. It pinches more when a woman is quoting againt women. I totally agree with Deepak, we should see to it that people are made to follow it more strictly.

There is always light at the end of every tunnel....so rock on !!!


if i had a father like you, i am sure i would have been aborted...shove it up your ass now
 
Hahaha

chhori tu to bura maan gi.

mere jaisa tera papa nahi ho sakta, agar hua bhi to teri jaisi beti ko paal pos kar bada jaroor karta, jaise ab kar hi diya. He wants to show to the world, bigde huye ladke hi nahi hote, ladkiyan bhi hoti hain.

God bless you !! I do not intend to write after it, but if you want me to , let me know.
 
gud keep going............... but this prob. is not only related to jat lander it is the prob. of india due corrupt gov. n illiteracy most of the popu. of india is unedu. they think more child. means more working or more earning hand nd now this prob is only in villages but the situation imp. with the time
 
Shweta, I must say that your "open letter" was the best way of answering the intellectuals(??). You wrote it exceedingly well. Awesome!!

Intellectually inadequate,
Sumit


May be the thoughts appear to be feeble or emotional, but emotions are a non detachable part of any human being’s persona. There can’t exist any individual without this trait missing and that’s a universal fact!

And I guess there is no intelligence in passing a statement like these are stupid or unsupported thoughts, and more so, by a supporter of democracy! Isnt it? People have all right to think differently and that’s not a problem, neither should this be attacked in a non-dignified manner as its a sign of being alive and capable of bringing on the surface various schools of thoughts and newer approaches.

And running after someone with a sword of words in hand just because of the fact that he thinks differently is not at all a trait of an intelligent head, though no one can stop someone from flouting wobbly!

If the primary idea is to hell with society then the entire rationale of discussing anything on a “SOCIAL” forum gets stained and disfigured. If one has to mind his way in the manner he or she likes to and he pays a damn to the society or everyone around then what’s the logic behind writing for someone else to read! Better write for yourself, read for yourself and live for yourself, what’s the point bombarding people over here……… sheer waste of time on bloody ignorant people of ****ing society around !!

And let me answer your respectfully why don’t the people accept your logics to be paramount and concluding! People are meant to be people and have their own opinions and way of perceiving things and they can’t be deprived of this sovereignty in this comportment. You cant impose on them your logics by saying bad words and calling them ignorant. If you regard them ignorant and yourself as an educated intellectual then I qualm whether such people look nice paying damn to the society as a whole. In fact its your responsibility to talk softly and assist we lesser educate ones to breathe in an air of intellectualism!

Not all can be expected to be born genius like you ! Not all can be just complete, just knowing always what is right and what not, and that’s a law of nature and must be accepted with a tender heart. A tender heart and an undying approach to help people in at least trying to see and understand what is more good for them is the only remedy to resolve any problem and I am very sorry to say that calling bad names to the society and people with different approaches is quite derogatory and a problem more grave than these problems!!

What have you done to clear such problems other than using fetid language for the people, just think for a while, a person who decides to kill his would be girl child even before she is born, then what makes him do so? Is it very easy ? Just think ! I am not saying they are correct, but more importantly, there are many interlinked problems which need open minded and educated people like you to come forward, not with a packet of absurd remarks, but with a serving hand and softness in attitude.

Thinking very high and just abusing someone is not a tough nut to crack, but serving people with real life examples with a smile on face, with a tender approach is surely a tough task my dear friend ! A leader to be a leader in true spirit has not to dictate rules harshly or abusively, he has to present a living example and prompt people to look at him for deriving their own personal decisions by just his own dignified conduct. One has to stand large with a tranquil character, but a strong presentation of someone who can be looked as a person of wits and whose sentence can be regarded as one which can’t be left unheard so easily!

Respecting ones individuality goes hand in hand with respecting the people around ! If you cant respect others, you can never respect yourself. It’s a true fact that man has born to be social and however hard it may try, he can live serenely if he observes social conduct in an acceptable manner and thereby makes out a path from amidst everyone to shine differently with his different but more importantly, acceptable approach.

A teacher can never make a good citizen by teaching his or her students by slapping them every now and then! Teacher has to be calm, has to understand why the kids aren’t understanding a particular thing and come out with a new way of teaching them, but a polite way! There is no substitute of decency! And we are all open to accept newer ways, but let them appear convincing and respectful!
 
Look at the irony !

Shweta, I must say that your "open letter" was the best way of answering the intellectuals(??). You wrote it exceedingly well. Awesome!!

Intellectually inadequate,
Sumit

Thanks Sumit, but I didnt intented any unwarranted interruption here, but I just wanted to prove a very important and serious factor by all this !

When a person who is so called 'educated', 'grown up', intellectual', 'Indian citizen' and 'strong' is finding it too hard to accept any contradictory viewpoint positively and is not ready to even ponder over others' advise, suggestions, and way of looking at things, and to add to it, is just ready to down turn them, by presenting useless mockery, then how can we except an uneducated, common man to be super-intelligent and rational in his decisions and ready to change so easily ! :rolleyes:

Now whats the point behind using these bloody, ignorant, ****ing kind of absolutely derogatory adjectives for them every now and then when one is so stiff in changing his own mindset !!
 
The topic seems to be off track...
Anyways...before I move ahead to put my views I would like to share an incident which i came across when i went to village few years back.
I was visiting one of the family and looking at so many kids in the house...I just passed a comment to the lady..."Poore fauj jode le tum ne to" .
The lady replied.."Jiji kaya karti.... meri saas ko potai kaa jyada hei moh laga tha....mainee bhee kah deya...marongee to nahin mai apnai bacho ko....janwar bhee nahin martee apnai bacho ko to jiji....aur itna hei beta kai laad laga hai to jao kamao en sab kei leyee jab tak beta na ho....hum bhee to apnee maa baap kei do hei betiya thee....menai bhee bhejna en sabko ek hei school mei hain."
So was I suppose to explain her the biology and convince her that what you kill is not child....or was I suppose to say that you have done a right thing....that i can not do because ultimately who is suffering is her kids and her family.....
Who is to be held responsible for this situation and what is the solution one can think of? May be everyone should be given a right to take their own decision but before giving them that right........ one need to educated enough that they can go for a choice which is best for their family first and then for society as well.
 
every now and then i come across NGOs, govt, feminists and other civil bodies creating ruckus over sex determination tests...came across another bullshit article in mail today where some NGO wants a website selling sex identification kits to be blocked...

i am of opinion is that this is a stupid fashion...i have been against ban on sex determination since beginning. my point is it has more negative aspects than positive. first, they can stop the people aborting a female child; but can't coercion them to treat a girl at par with boy, so it's of no help...infact a bigger crime...it's better to kill one in womb than kill her everyday while alive.

secondly, it leads to population explosion, which is my biggest concern, people will keep having kids till they get boy. worst.

thirdly, say, i have a boy and now i wish to have a girl to make a complete family or have a girl and now wish to have a boy...not because i love boy but becuase i want a complete family to enjoy both the sexes...where's my freedom to fulfill by wish...


i hate bloody NGOs...i tell you they are all for wrong causes...

OMG! I just stumbled on this one. Good one Seema. You bring out some excellent points. Normally, to prove that I am smart, I would have tried to find loopholes in your argument. But I can't. Its a very strong argument that you are making here. Putting the power to choose in the hands of people obviously is the way to go. Govt. and NGOs role should only be limited to empower people to make the right decision instead of making it for them.
Of course, it has ethical repercussions.

On a personal note, your bias against NGOs and 'boys' is coming through:).
Take it easy girl.

Immensely enjoyed this post of yours.
 
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