I never said Indian philosphy is against materialism, we have the great sankhya tradition. What I am saying is that we concerntared more on the spiritual development neglecting the materialistic aspect,Most battles lost were due to the neglect of technological warfare, this led to our slavery for a 1000 years firt by the muslim invaders and then the british.
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Right ! Just like a sportsman ...... as just being atheletic on playground is not a sportsmanship at all but how gracefully someone playing and accepting the outcome with a positive attitude is the true sportsmanship.
Mathematics shows the way ......
To differentiate we don't need any integration but the Integration can't be completeed without differentiation.
Bhishm fought for the Kaurvas but Pandavas still loved and respected him .... that says all
Most of the battles were lost due to over materialism ( read ..... selfishness ) only.
We Indians have all the contrast from being over spiritual to over materialistic .... From Gandhari to Gandhi .... and from Duryodhana to Jaichand ......can't be generalized.
Intersting Terminology.... we can think to bring that into Psychology
I don't think that Markowish behaviour resembles with Impulsive behaviour by any means.
As Markowish is totally a practical and pre-determined behavour that how someone is going to behave with a 'specific' person whatever the situation while being Impulsive is just a state of mind where someone react unintentionally with everyone 'unspecifically' without any reason and without considering that whomever is at the receiving end.
1000's of women committing Jauhar to save them from the ravaging muslim invaders is definitely not materialism.
Offcourse ... that was not materialism by any means ..... but that was only after loosing the battle ......
and Sir
i remember that i commented on the reason where we lost battles but not about those brave women.
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Pleasure to see a genuine discussion going on.
I agree with you Vijay ( i think i was wrong on this ) , impulsive can be distinguished from markovish .
Thanks for highlighting the difference.
MEanwhile just to get everyone touch base , lets not really go into history and all , let us try to answer the problem at hand with the following steps (ofcourse u people can add on )
1. appreciating whether this problem exists or not?
2. whether we are improving / deterioating ?
3. any present day reasons u think are responsible for this : lets have a factor approach on this !
4. steps u think that can help.
I agree with you Vijay ( i think i was wrong on this ) , impulsive can be distinguished from markovish .
Thanks for highlighting the difference.
MEanwhile just to get everyone touch base , lets not really go into history and all , let us try to answer the problem at hand with the following steps (ofcourse u people can add on )
1. appreciating whether this problem exists or not?
2. whether we are improving / deterioating ?
3. any present day reasons u think are responsible for this : lets have a factor approach on this !
4. steps u think that can help.
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Hi Anil,
2 children born in the same family with same upbringing respond differently to a given situation.
Why???
Sometimes we are surprised even disgusted by our own thoughts, although there was no reason to be thinking about them ?
Where do these thoughts come from and what was the cause for their manifestation??
Your question is also a reaction? so why did you ask the question.
Deepak
Hi Sir , u r right ! Even i am a behaviourist and believe that its the circumstances that shape the personality.
Going by this approach , what do u think is the reason for sucha reaction. IT is not the ideal reaction for sure.
Can we try and identify the reasons/circumstances that people react in such a way !!! Why cant they put things into perspective ?
Why cant they have the memory ? OR other way put , why is the memory fading away.
What we WRITE..............&............What we SPEAK
Sometimes there may be a huge difference between these two.
We judge people on their writing skills...which reflect only a glimps of WRITER's personality & not the COMPLETE PERSONA...
Sometime it be entirely oppsite of what we imagine...or make someone's picture or nature or behaviour...
...but this is an era of Virtual World a Wireless World...where so many people live a significant portion of their life irrespective of where they are going or what would be the outcome...
This Virtual World has brought so many people in contact who would never come to know each other had this WWW would not have been here...
We interface DIGITALLY but we are HUMAN being
so erruption of erratic & mawkish behaviours from some sauls is quite obvious...Let's hope of limiting it to MINIMUM...by Big Heartedly FORGIVING tolerable errors...
Because many sauls are LEARNING here...they may not at a level of Perfection yet...
BUT THEY ARE TRYING...& TRYING IT HARD
Sometimes there may be a huge difference between these two.
We judge people on their writing skills...which reflect only a glimps of WRITER's personality & not the COMPLETE PERSONA...
Sometime it be entirely oppsite of what we imagine...or make someone's picture or nature or behaviour...
...but this is an era of Virtual World a Wireless World...where so many people live a significant portion of their life irrespective of where they are going or what would be the outcome...
This Virtual World has brought so many people in contact who would never come to know each other had this WWW would not have been here...
We interface DIGITALLY but we are HUMAN being
so erruption of erratic & mawkish behaviours from some sauls is quite obvious...Let's hope of limiting it to MINIMUM...by Big Heartedly FORGIVING tolerable errors...
Because many sauls are LEARNING here...they may not at a level of Perfection yet...
BUT THEY ARE TRYING...& TRYING IT HARD
I didnt say they mean same. As Anil said we base all our decisions on the present only (the assumption being that present contains all information of the past), and do not consider past,,,,, fr that I mentioned its sthing like impulsive.
Well this is not only Environment,,, genetics also play a big role.... 2 children born in same family,,, may ve temperamental differences. Behaviorists were totally environmentalists and objective....whereas deterministic n cognitive approaches and individuality have also lot to say in human behavior.
Intersting Terminology.... we can think to bring that into Psychology
I don't think that Markowish behaviour resembles with Impulsive behaviour by any means.
As Markowish is totally a practical and pre-determined behavour that how someone is going to behave with a 'specific' person whatever the situation while being Impulsive is just a state of mind where someone react unintentionally with everyone 'unspecifically' without any reason and without considering that whomever is at the receiving end.
This thread was started on 24th feb and u replied/came to know abt this term on 26th feb.... Now, u have a good knowledge of practical and theoritical terms. Pre-determined, post-determined and all that big big complex words. Good progress. Keep it up. I never saw such a great grasping power and intelligence. I have noticed ur knowledge and intelligence on other threads too. U are really very impressive personality. Congrats!!! Why don u try in guinness book of world records... give a shot dude, m sure u can create several records and can make ur community, country feel proud. This way we poor ppl will get some fame.
All the very best
.Your Silent Admirer
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BTW from where you got this definition...as I ve never seen/heard such a term like Markovish Behaviour ....pls refer that dictionary to me also.
And Impulsive what I understand is......actuated or swayed by emotional impulses,,, Inclined to act on the influence of a particular feeling, mental state(impulse) rather than thought,,, characterized by undue haste and lack of thought or deliberation,,,,determined by chance or impulse or whim rather than by necessity or reason. In that light I feel,,, behaviour of todays generation is becoming very impulsive.
Correct ........ my wording was different but meaning is same if you please read my post once again .... it's just a state of mind driven with some instant thoughts only ...... no concern with overall observation and/or any kind of pre-determined assumptions.
Yes ....... impulse is driving todays youth drastically
This thread was started on 24th feb and u replied/came to know abt this term on 26th feb.... Now, u have a good knowledge of practical and theoritical terms. Pre-determined, post-determined and all that big big complex words. Good progress. Keep it up. I never saw such a great grasping power and intelligence. I have noticed ur knowledge and intelligence on other threads too. U are really very impressive personality. Congrats!!! Why don u try in guinness book of world records... give a shot dude, m sure u can create several records and can make ur community, country feel proud. This way we poor ppl will get some fame.
All the very best
Your Silent Admirer
Thanx
I replied after two days ( seems a long time
) ..... but it's still far better than 11 March.
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This thread was started on 24th feb and u replied/came to know abt this term on 26th feb.... Now, u have a good knowledge of practical and theoritical terms. Pre-determined, post-determined and all that big big complex words. Good progress. Keep it up. I never saw such a great grasping power and intelligence. I have noticed ur knowledge and intelligence on other threads too. U are really very impressive personality. Congrats!!! Why don u try in guinness book of world records... give a shot dude, m sure u can create several records and can make ur community, country feel proud. This way we poor ppl will get some fame.
All the very best
Your Silent Admirer
sorry to ask devender !!!
but this is surely off topic ( in both the circumstances : a genuine applause or a undue sarcasm ) !
A sincere request to keep the things to discussion only , the people who are discussing and not enjoying the discussion are welcome to opt out ,
I am happy that the posts thus far have clearly been on the constructive differences of opinion
Thanks !
Not only children from the same family ........... i use to watch the twins almost everyday .. how they differ in behaviour .... totally contrast.
I suppose that individuality plays a big role in a personality development.
Everybody have some relationship with their 'own' people ....... but came across some different opinions about them i.e. offline and online ...... Is Net affecting their thinking or dominating their Impulse ?
Seeking attention for oneself is much more popular than paying attention to the subject itself ..... people landed up just to comment without saying a word on the topic literally. .......... Markowish behaviour at it's best ....... forget about being Impulsive ....... too narrow subject for the discussion after this.
Self analyzation and Intutions plays a big role in real human behaviour ....... selfishness and being opportunistic is the second factor ......... and reacting anywhere/everywhere without any valid argument is the worst human behaviour.
Genetic study tells about the genes only but never tells about the environmental effects.
Psychology is the best approach to analyze a person ..... provided that what someone want to analyze
I would like to know what is perfection and who are the lucky/admirable people who achieved that level .... so far
Believe me ..... i am a good learner.
Not only children from the same family ........... i use to watch the twins almost everyday .. how they differ in behaviour .... totally contrast.
I suppose that individuality plays a big role in a personality development.
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Genetic study tells about the genes only but never tells about the environmental effects.
Psychology is the best approach to analyze a person ..... provided that what someone want to analyze
Of course fraternal twins ve different constitutional makeup.... its only monozygotic or identical ones who share same genetic structure. so to study the real environmental effect,,,they are the perfect cases...none else,,,,as for everyone else biological makeup has much to say.
Individuality plays a big role in the personality development....bt then most of theories of personality also talk about temperamnetal differences also. Do you know there's neural explanation for being extravert or introvert also.
Psychology gives due importance to both - heredity and environment. Some ppl are more in favor of nature,, while others nurture.... no conclusion... they both have significant role in the development.
In Psychology,,, this is the age of cognitive neuroscience... they talk about knowledge,,,, thinking,,, n other cognitive abilities,,, and their neural network. Even behaviorists ve shifted their approach to behavioral neuroscience,,,,Humanistic trends are of a valuable importance,,,as they give importance to the free will of the beings,,,what they want, what are their wishes,,, i feel that is the the real individual psychology.
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