brahmtewatia
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भाई मैं इतना पढा लिखा भी कोन्या...सो paleej लेट मी बी विजिटिंग प्रोफेस्सर..agar permanent professor ban gaya to university ki politics aur bureaucracy me phas jaoonga. आई हेट बुरोक्रेसी
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Why to Feel Proud to be an Indian !!
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भाई मैं इतना पढा लिखा भी कोन्या...सो paleej लेट मी बी विजिटिंग प्रोफेस्सर..agar permanent professor ban gaya to university ki politics aur bureaucracy me phas jaoonga. आई हेट बुरोक्रेसी
:rockभाई मैं इतना पढा लिखा भी कोन्या...सो paleej लेट मी बी विजिटिंग प्रोफेस्सर..agar permanent professor ban gaya to university ki politics aur bureaucracy me phas jaoonga. आई हेट बुरोक्रेसी
Bhai jiii diplomatic ans de kai ne goli manna do...
:thappadJai makka jatta dhaal sudha sudha samjhaate ho tai bujhe aap tai ... makka aap nai kahi thi na koi bhi koshchan(prashan) pooch sakta hai issliye ... side or against ...
brahmtewatia
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सक्रचिंग माई हेड &^$#@&^%&*&(&@!(*_><??? 
भाई बकस दे मन्ने...इब्ब न दूंगा इस्सा भाषण
भाई बकस दे मन्ने...इब्ब न दूंगा इस्सा भाषण
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Nice Question!
Dear Mukesh,
A very nice question raised, and I must say reasonably attempted by few members. Here is my attempt.
The pride, is related to identity. Every one of us want to be identified by some thing special. If you analyze some of the posts on this forum, you can easily understand that they are just to establish the identity of the person posting it. It is because of this reason, some of them go off topic, because intent was not to address the issue but to just satisfy the ego or being identified. Thus, identity is the emotion that is very dear to human beings and there is nothing wrong in that. Why it is so, I really have no answer to it. It is just that we all like to be identified by our own personal traits, achievements etc, etc. Search of our identity makes us work hard and achieve otherwise difficult results.
Having said that, now let us come to the question raised. Why do we feel proud to be Indian?
Well, India is one of the oldest civilization if not The Oldest, and hence has a rich heritage. When you have civilization as old as ours, there are bound to be black patches of history. Simple example, if you want to draw a one centimeter long straight line without using the foot ruler, it might be easy, but if you try to draw a much longer line, it might be difficult and might not be as straight. When we see those black patches in our history or heritage, we do feel disappointed and that is normal.
We have no control where we are born. But wherever we are born we do identify ourselves with that organization/ society/ nation for that is our identity, good or bad. What we consider good, may not be as good to other person and vice-versa. It is because of this reason, we feel very proud to be Jat and some times ignore the achievements of other person, just because we don’t identify them with ourselves. It is because of this reason we discuss the castes, religion and all other different issues.
Indian culture is an extremely rich culture, in-spite of some of its blemishes like the caste system, and some time the false pride in that system. We intend to go wrong when individuals become larger than the issue itself.
I will give you a little example, that I heard from one of the visiting priests of the Tirupati Foundation. This man was asked by an American about the difference in Indian mythology/philosophy with that of the West. This man replied with a simple example of the way we buy Coke in two countries. In America, when you go to restaurant, you pay for the size of the glass you want to use to drink the Coke and then can have unlimited fillings. So you don’t essentially pay for the quantity of the coke you use, but do pay for the size of the glass you use. In India, if you want to buy the Coke in restaurant, you pay for one bottle, and then if you want to drink more Coke, you pay for another bottle. You do pay every time you want to buy a bottle of the coke, and when you have finished your Coke you return the bottle. So, you paid for the Coke and not the Bottle. The difference is that we in India recognize the “Content”, and in the West people recognize the “Cover”. I think that should be good enough reason for all of us to feel proud of.
There are so many things those are not right in our country, and let me tell you we are not the exception. The grass always looks greener on the other side of the hill. As a human being, try and do your best, and avoid doing those things to others that you don’t like being done to you. I think that would lead to satisfaction and contentment.
We all are looking for happiness in our life. We can only control our own activities. Let us not give into what we feel is injustice, (easier said than done, but that is how you establish your identity). To me, if a person can get two full meals in a day, “Happiness is just the state of mind thereafter”.
I hope, I have been able to answer your question to some extent if not fully.
Dear Mukesh,
A very nice question raised, and I must say reasonably attempted by few members. Here is my attempt.
The pride, is related to identity. Every one of us want to be identified by some thing special. If you analyze some of the posts on this forum, you can easily understand that they are just to establish the identity of the person posting it. It is because of this reason, some of them go off topic, because intent was not to address the issue but to just satisfy the ego or being identified. Thus, identity is the emotion that is very dear to human beings and there is nothing wrong in that. Why it is so, I really have no answer to it. It is just that we all like to be identified by our own personal traits, achievements etc, etc. Search of our identity makes us work hard and achieve otherwise difficult results.
Having said that, now let us come to the question raised. Why do we feel proud to be Indian?
Well, India is one of the oldest civilization if not The Oldest, and hence has a rich heritage. When you have civilization as old as ours, there are bound to be black patches of history. Simple example, if you want to draw a one centimeter long straight line without using the foot ruler, it might be easy, but if you try to draw a much longer line, it might be difficult and might not be as straight. When we see those black patches in our history or heritage, we do feel disappointed and that is normal.
We have no control where we are born. But wherever we are born we do identify ourselves with that organization/ society/ nation for that is our identity, good or bad. What we consider good, may not be as good to other person and vice-versa. It is because of this reason, we feel very proud to be Jat and some times ignore the achievements of other person, just because we don’t identify them with ourselves. It is because of this reason we discuss the castes, religion and all other different issues.
Indian culture is an extremely rich culture, in-spite of some of its blemishes like the caste system, and some time the false pride in that system. We intend to go wrong when individuals become larger than the issue itself.
I will give you a little example, that I heard from one of the visiting priests of the Tirupati Foundation. This man was asked by an American about the difference in Indian mythology/philosophy with that of the West. This man replied with a simple example of the way we buy Coke in two countries. In America, when you go to restaurant, you pay for the size of the glass you want to use to drink the Coke and then can have unlimited fillings. So you don’t essentially pay for the quantity of the coke you use, but do pay for the size of the glass you use. In India, if you want to buy the Coke in restaurant, you pay for one bottle, and then if you want to drink more Coke, you pay for another bottle. You do pay every time you want to buy a bottle of the coke, and when you have finished your Coke you return the bottle. So, you paid for the Coke and not the Bottle. The difference is that we in India recognize the “Content”, and in the West people recognize the “Cover”. I think that should be good enough reason for all of us to feel proud of.
There are so many things those are not right in our country, and let me tell you we are not the exception. The grass always looks greener on the other side of the hill. As a human being, try and do your best, and avoid doing those things to others that you don’t like being done to you. I think that would lead to satisfaction and contentment.
We all are looking for happiness in our life. We can only control our own activities. Let us not give into what we feel is injustice, (easier said than done, but that is how you establish your identity). To me, if a person can get two full meals in a day, “Happiness is just the state of mind thereafter”.
I hope, I have been able to answer your question to some extent if not fully.
mukeshkumar007
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It was really very nice and thought provoking reading to read so many rational replies.
Let me share what I feel on this topic !!
Why do I feel proud to be an Indian?
1) I feel proud on the glorious past of our country for that it was recognized as a “Vishav Garu”
2) I feel proud of our culture and tradition that plays an important role in shaping ones personality. I’m fond of Indian values that teach one to be responsible and task oriented person.
3) I feel proud of the family system. It happens only in India that parents would prefer to sleep without food but make sure that their children has enough food.
4) I’m proud of India’s diversified history that has experienced lots of ups and down but civilization stood firms. Many intruders came to loot some left some stayed but Indian soul accepted them without any discrimination.
5) I feel proud that India is a country of so many religions and casts but we live together happily and help each other in time of calamity. I feel proud that I have friends from all casts and religions and often discuss everything under the sun in a good spirit inspite of having differences in opinion.
6) I feel proud of achievement of some individuals from different walks of life, like Ashoka, Bhagat Singh, Chandra Sekhar Azad, Mahatma Gandhi, Lal Bahadur Shastri, Abdul Kalam Azad, and Manmohan Singh and many more.
7) I’m proud of the Indian constitution (though it is never implemented in true spirit).
8) I am proud of Indian Army and its bravery. It’s the Indian army that defended our self respect and always protects us from enemy.
But in present there is hardly anything on which we can feel proud, cultural and moral values are declining, trusted and tested family system is loosing its hold, secularism and democratic structure of the country is on stake, Indians as a citizen are no more responsible to their duties, they just cry for their rights only. India’s population is now a bunch of most corrupt and gutless people. Politics ke bare maie to kehna hi ke..
Though economy is growing with an average rate of 8% but the benefit of it hardly reached to rural people. Nation is divided in two part one is known is India that comprises of metro cities where lots of economic activities happens and the second is Bharat that lives in rural areas where only poverty lies and the gap between both of them is ever increasing. Benefit of economic growth never reach to the people of Bharat. Growth in economy is also not robust as the contribution of agriculture (which is the main source of income for majority of ppl) is merely around 15-18 percent.
I really don’t feel proud when I see
1) lots of discrimination of religion, casts, status at any level
2) I feel bad when a common man is being deprived of its constitution and human rights
3) Feel bad to know the fact that there is no value of a poor man’s life. It really hurt to see that one side a 8 year kid is enjoying all the luxuries of life and taking education in good institute whereas a another kid of same age is forced to pick polytheens in street.
4) It disappoints when corrupt politicians and burocrat don’t let the honest officer to do his job.
5) Education system is totally crap; it is producing only digree holders not the educated.
Though there have been a boom in the growth of institution/colleges but the quality of education is below the standard and these colleges are simply playing with the future of million of students.
Education is one of the essential requirements to make a nation great, when it is not upto the mark one can imagine the future of such a nation.
6) a soldier die for a nation but after that his family don’t get the support from society and government and it really disappoints.
But I still love my country and mother India inspite of all the undesirable things and will do my part in its service.
Cont..
Let me share what I feel on this topic !!
Why do I feel proud to be an Indian?
1) I feel proud on the glorious past of our country for that it was recognized as a “Vishav Garu”
2) I feel proud of our culture and tradition that plays an important role in shaping ones personality. I’m fond of Indian values that teach one to be responsible and task oriented person.
3) I feel proud of the family system. It happens only in India that parents would prefer to sleep without food but make sure that their children has enough food.
4) I’m proud of India’s diversified history that has experienced lots of ups and down but civilization stood firms. Many intruders came to loot some left some stayed but Indian soul accepted them without any discrimination.
5) I feel proud that India is a country of so many religions and casts but we live together happily and help each other in time of calamity. I feel proud that I have friends from all casts and religions and often discuss everything under the sun in a good spirit inspite of having differences in opinion.
6) I feel proud of achievement of some individuals from different walks of life, like Ashoka, Bhagat Singh, Chandra Sekhar Azad, Mahatma Gandhi, Lal Bahadur Shastri, Abdul Kalam Azad, and Manmohan Singh and many more.
7) I’m proud of the Indian constitution (though it is never implemented in true spirit).
8) I am proud of Indian Army and its bravery. It’s the Indian army that defended our self respect and always protects us from enemy.
But in present there is hardly anything on which we can feel proud, cultural and moral values are declining, trusted and tested family system is loosing its hold, secularism and democratic structure of the country is on stake, Indians as a citizen are no more responsible to their duties, they just cry for their rights only. India’s population is now a bunch of most corrupt and gutless people. Politics ke bare maie to kehna hi ke..
Though economy is growing with an average rate of 8% but the benefit of it hardly reached to rural people. Nation is divided in two part one is known is India that comprises of metro cities where lots of economic activities happens and the second is Bharat that lives in rural areas where only poverty lies and the gap between both of them is ever increasing. Benefit of economic growth never reach to the people of Bharat. Growth in economy is also not robust as the contribution of agriculture (which is the main source of income for majority of ppl) is merely around 15-18 percent.
I really don’t feel proud when I see
1) lots of discrimination of religion, casts, status at any level
2) I feel bad when a common man is being deprived of its constitution and human rights
3) Feel bad to know the fact that there is no value of a poor man’s life. It really hurt to see that one side a 8 year kid is enjoying all the luxuries of life and taking education in good institute whereas a another kid of same age is forced to pick polytheens in street.
4) It disappoints when corrupt politicians and burocrat don’t let the honest officer to do his job.
5) Education system is totally crap; it is producing only digree holders not the educated.
Though there have been a boom in the growth of institution/colleges but the quality of education is below the standard and these colleges are simply playing with the future of million of students.
Education is one of the essential requirements to make a nation great, when it is not upto the mark one can imagine the future of such a nation.
6) a soldier die for a nation but after that his family don’t get the support from society and government and it really disappoints.
But I still love my country and mother India inspite of all the undesirable things and will do my part in its service.
Cont..
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Deshwal Bhaisaab ! I agree with what you have expressed.
but we can always be more specific like instead of loving 'Australian' , I would prefer 'Western Australian'. I love Haryana more than I love India. I love Jats more than I love any other Indians.
but in contrast I am proud of 'Australia' not just 'Western Australia'
I am proud of 'India' not just 'Haryana'
It all depends in what context you are talkin.
This 'proud and love' thing is philosophical. You love few things but not necessarily proud of them. You might be proud of something but not necessary u love it too.
Am I Proud to be an Indian?
Dear All,
I have been thinking about this question rather hard and deep, because answering it either way needs a lot of introspection and as to how we start arguing it in terms of ‘realism’ or ‘idealism’. Even then a correct answer may not emerge. Then realizing my limited intellect, finding the correct answer may still elude me. There is no harm in trying though!
An individual’s thought process is molded over a period of time and it comes wrapped in societal experience, traditional and cultural paradigm, childhood memories and stark reality of the country. That India is a subcontinent is a fact and indicative of the potential we naturally possess to become a great country. It also suggests natural divisions within regions and peoples and there lies the biggest challenge. ‘Unity in Diversity’ is fine when it comes to scoring brownie points or participating in school debates, but are we united as a nation is the point. Historically, we were always divided in small kingdoms and principalities and exploited by all and sundry and with the help of self serving ‘Rajas’ and ‘Maharajas’. That is a different topic altogether.
When I think of what is there to be proud of as an Indian I can only think in terms of ‘past glory’ (as we are made to believe). Yes, one can refer to Dr APJ Abdul Kalam’s famous speech in Hyderabad, often quoted in threads here, and feel proud of individual achievements. One can also feel proud of the fact that despite all challenges we have remained united as one country, even if you ignore the fact that Pakistan and China have Indian territories under occupation and there is a parliamentary resolution to free those areas. Yes, I feel proud when I hear the National Anthem, be it in a movie hall or on Republic Day. I feel proud when an Indian wins a medal on world stage. I feel proud when good triumphs over evil, whether in epics or real day life.
However, I don’t feel proud as an Indian when:
• Merit is not honored and corruption thrives.
• Our politicians work against the very preambles of our constitution.
• There is such an increasing gap between the rich and poor.
• When mothers sell their children for as little as Rupees 100 just to feed themselves.
• When materialism buries our value system.
• When old parents are left to die by the children.
• When children are killed by parents in the name of honor.
• Where dowry death increase each passing year.
• When we behave like beasts on the roads.
• Where people only think about themselves.
• When a world champion comes home and has to take an auto rickshaw to go home.
• Where widows of war heroes have to beg for pension, leave alone acceptability.
• Where wife of an Olympian Hockey Gold Medalist has to work as a maid servant to make two ends meet.
• Where there is discrimination on the basis of birth, language, caste and what not.
I can write at least 1000 reasons as to why then one hangs his head in shame. But I have no other choice but to live and die in this land of our forefathers. Therefore, even though every thing stinks, I have to be proud as an INDIAN, of that INDIA that could have been an example to the rest of the world.
Warm regards,
JS Malik
Dear All,
I have been thinking about this question rather hard and deep, because answering it either way needs a lot of introspection and as to how we start arguing it in terms of ‘realism’ or ‘idealism’. Even then a correct answer may not emerge. Then realizing my limited intellect, finding the correct answer may still elude me. There is no harm in trying though!
An individual’s thought process is molded over a period of time and it comes wrapped in societal experience, traditional and cultural paradigm, childhood memories and stark reality of the country. That India is a subcontinent is a fact and indicative of the potential we naturally possess to become a great country. It also suggests natural divisions within regions and peoples and there lies the biggest challenge. ‘Unity in Diversity’ is fine when it comes to scoring brownie points or participating in school debates, but are we united as a nation is the point. Historically, we were always divided in small kingdoms and principalities and exploited by all and sundry and with the help of self serving ‘Rajas’ and ‘Maharajas’. That is a different topic altogether.
When I think of what is there to be proud of as an Indian I can only think in terms of ‘past glory’ (as we are made to believe). Yes, one can refer to Dr APJ Abdul Kalam’s famous speech in Hyderabad, often quoted in threads here, and feel proud of individual achievements. One can also feel proud of the fact that despite all challenges we have remained united as one country, even if you ignore the fact that Pakistan and China have Indian territories under occupation and there is a parliamentary resolution to free those areas. Yes, I feel proud when I hear the National Anthem, be it in a movie hall or on Republic Day. I feel proud when an Indian wins a medal on world stage. I feel proud when good triumphs over evil, whether in epics or real day life.
However, I don’t feel proud as an Indian when:
• Merit is not honored and corruption thrives.
• Our politicians work against the very preambles of our constitution.
• There is such an increasing gap between the rich and poor.
• When mothers sell their children for as little as Rupees 100 just to feed themselves.
• When materialism buries our value system.
• When old parents are left to die by the children.
• When children are killed by parents in the name of honor.
• Where dowry death increase each passing year.
• When we behave like beasts on the roads.
• Where people only think about themselves.
• When a world champion comes home and has to take an auto rickshaw to go home.
• Where widows of war heroes have to beg for pension, leave alone acceptability.
• Where wife of an Olympian Hockey Gold Medalist has to work as a maid servant to make two ends meet.
• Where there is discrimination on the basis of birth, language, caste and what not.
I can write at least 1000 reasons as to why then one hangs his head in shame. But I have no other choice but to live and die in this land of our forefathers. Therefore, even though every thing stinks, I have to be proud as an INDIAN, of that INDIA that could have been an example to the rest of the world.
Warm regards,
JS Malik
Jaggu Uncle,
You Simply Rock!!
I was just waiting for ur reply here ... u elucidated it really well !!
Kudos n salutations to u ...
Rock on
Jit
You Simply Rock!!
I was just waiting for ur reply here ... u elucidated it really well !!
Kudos n salutations to u ...
Rock on
Jit
I don't disagree on the issues and shortcomings nicely brought out by Siddharth, Gagan, Budh ji and Col. Malik and Col Tavethia ji and others.
But I am still of the view that we should feel proud of what all we have.
I asked the opinion of some youngsters working with me on this.
Many of them answered, " I feel proud to be an Indian, because I am an Indian"
Some of them strongly said, " I don't need any reason to be proud of my country"
One thing I have observed in some of the answers that we grossly discount India's strengths when we compare with Other countries. For example where is the comparison between economy of Singhapore and India ?
On social front, dowry deaths are always twisted wrongly. Most of the deaths attributed to marital disputes are concluded as dowry deaths.
Incidents of honor killing are most unfortunate, but the liberty to youngsters to lead their on lives independently in developed countries, results in no less frustrations and no less deaths. Deaths and abuse of youngsters from broken families( result of excessive independence) could be 100 times in developed countries. Therefore, no society is perfect.
I live in a developed country and have observed that there are hundreds of homeless who eat from a dump/rubbish bins of supermarkets.
22000 out of 1.8 crore youngsters have no roof and spend their night under open sky.
There is no one of their own to their bed side when thousands of old people die in a developed country.
Thousands of them have to make their own arrangements/buy insurance for their funeral in a developed country.
I can keep on quoting, countering arguments and learned members might come up with more negatives about India. I remain of the view that we should be proud of our country, our heritage, our culture, our history in spite of all the negatives and short comings. Does that stop us from improving?
I believe the members who live in US have seen "Sicko". A shame on most developed nation on the earth!
I know, It may sound a bit irrational, "undhbhakti" to some but I have only this more to say:
Aye mere pyaare watan aye mere bichhade chaman tuz pe dil kubraan
too hee meree aarajoo, too hee meree aabaru, too hee meree jaan
tere daaman se jo aaye, un hawaaon ko salaam
choom loo main us jubaan ko jis pe aaye teraa naam
sab se pyaaree subah teree, sab se rangee teree shaam
maan kaa dil banake kabhee seene se lag jaataa hain too
aaur kabhee nanheesee betee ban ke yaad aataa hain too
jitanaa yaad aataa hain too, utanaa tadapaataa hain too
chhodakar teree jameen ko door aa pahuche hain hum
fir bhee hain yahee hain tamannaa tere jarro kee kasam
hum jahaan paidaa huye, us jagah hee nikale ye dam
Cheers!
But I am still of the view that we should feel proud of what all we have.
I asked the opinion of some youngsters working with me on this.
Many of them answered, " I feel proud to be an Indian, because I am an Indian"
Some of them strongly said, " I don't need any reason to be proud of my country"
One thing I have observed in some of the answers that we grossly discount India's strengths when we compare with Other countries. For example where is the comparison between economy of Singhapore and India ?
On social front, dowry deaths are always twisted wrongly. Most of the deaths attributed to marital disputes are concluded as dowry deaths.
Incidents of honor killing are most unfortunate, but the liberty to youngsters to lead their on lives independently in developed countries, results in no less frustrations and no less deaths. Deaths and abuse of youngsters from broken families( result of excessive independence) could be 100 times in developed countries. Therefore, no society is perfect.
I live in a developed country and have observed that there are hundreds of homeless who eat from a dump/rubbish bins of supermarkets.
22000 out of 1.8 crore youngsters have no roof and spend their night under open sky.
There is no one of their own to their bed side when thousands of old people die in a developed country.
Thousands of them have to make their own arrangements/buy insurance for their funeral in a developed country.
I can keep on quoting, countering arguments and learned members might come up with more negatives about India. I remain of the view that we should be proud of our country, our heritage, our culture, our history in spite of all the negatives and short comings. Does that stop us from improving?
I believe the members who live in US have seen "Sicko". A shame on most developed nation on the earth!
I know, It may sound a bit irrational, "undhbhakti" to some but I have only this more to say:
Aye mere pyaare watan aye mere bichhade chaman tuz pe dil kubraan
too hee meree aarajoo, too hee meree aabaru, too hee meree jaan
tere daaman se jo aaye, un hawaaon ko salaam
choom loo main us jubaan ko jis pe aaye teraa naam
sab se pyaaree subah teree, sab se rangee teree shaam
maan kaa dil banake kabhee seene se lag jaataa hain too
aaur kabhee nanheesee betee ban ke yaad aataa hain too
jitanaa yaad aataa hain too, utanaa tadapaataa hain too
chhodakar teree jameen ko door aa pahuche hain hum
fir bhee hain yahee hain tamannaa tere jarro kee kasam
hum jahaan paidaa huye, us jagah hee nikale ye dam
Cheers!
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I support your view.
Also add one more thing. People(American) are proud of their being American despite the fact:
Every tenth American is behind the bars for criminality, Americans have a good history of Voilation of Human Rights. Still they are proud to be American. I do not know why these Indian are always a dissatisfied lot and keep complaining of life. I think if they are not proud of being Indian then they should quit their Indian citizenship and seek asylum some where else.
Gulia Bhaisaab,
Not only Americans but almost all other people proud of their Ethnicity & Country...so wat diffrence it makes, Its just an Emotional Attachment! But the the very thing that seprates them with us is the Sense of 'Civic Duties'!!
I read some where else in thread about Great Dr Kalam's speech, he elaborated it really well what's lackin in Indian Citizens ... with addition by our Respected Seniors like Nashir ji, Col Tevatia ji & Jaggu uncle ... makes sense!
But I wonder how many of us will try to improve the shortcomings that making our Country worse ... here ppl just dont wanna learn they r just Dead, they dont want to improve thats why I always say 'Ish Desh ka kuch nahi ho sakta, ye Desh hi barbaad hai!' ... Situations not gonna change here no matter if u improve urself or not cuz here ppl just dont wanna change! I may sound negative but this is Harsh Truth!!
Aur bhaisaab, Contradictory statment - ur talkin about quiting Indian citizenship and seek asylum while u urself is residing abroad in Canada
So all in all we shudn't feel proud by just carryin 'False Pride' instead we should sense our fundamental civic duties n work on it for betterment of our great country. period.
Rock on
Jit
Not only Americans but almost all other people proud of their Ethnicity & Country...so wat diffrence it makes, Its just an Emotional Attachment! But the the very thing that seprates them with us is the Sense of 'Civic Duties'!!
I read some where else in thread about Great Dr Kalam's speech, he elaborated it really well what's lackin in Indian Citizens ... with addition by our Respected Seniors like Nashir ji, Col Tevatia ji & Jaggu uncle ... makes sense!
But I wonder how many of us will try to improve the shortcomings that making our Country worse ... here ppl just dont wanna learn they r just Dead, they dont want to improve thats why I always say 'Ish Desh ka kuch nahi ho sakta, ye Desh hi barbaad hai!' ... Situations not gonna change here no matter if u improve urself or not cuz here ppl just dont wanna change! I may sound negative but this is Harsh Truth!!
Aur bhaisaab, Contradictory statment - ur talkin about quiting Indian citizenship and seek asylum while u urself is residing abroad in Canada
So all in all we shudn't feel proud by just carryin 'False Pride' instead we should sense our fundamental civic duties n work on it for betterment of our great country. period.
Rock on
Jit
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But I wonder how many of us will try to improve the shortcomings that making our Country worse ... here ppl just dont wanna learn they r just Dead, they dont want to improve thats why I always say 'Ish Desh ka kuch nahi ho sakta, ye Desh hi barbaad hai!' ... Situations not gonna change here no matter if u improve urself or not cuz here ppl just dont wanna change! I may sound negative but this is Harsh Truth!!
Aur bhaisaab, Contradictory statment - ur talkin about quiting Indian citizenship and seek asylum while u urself is residing abroad in Canada
So all in all we shudn't feel proud by just carryin 'False Pride' instead we should sense our fundamental civic duties n work on it for betterment of our great country. period.
Rock on
Jit
Dear Jit Ji,
People are attached to their old age inertia. It is because of this reason any change really requires a lot of push. The difference is only little. Imagine the water at 211 degree f and 212 degrees. At 211 it does nothing, at 212 it turns into steam and drives a locomotive. It is because of this reason you use # 1 Gear while starting to drive your vehicle, i.e. to break the inertia. The quailty of a leader or a person to drive the people out of their inertia separates them from the ordinary. That is the difference between good and great.
Since change is difficult, then what do we do. Least one can do is change him/herself. Does not look practical! The problem is, the good things don't come easy. It is totally different thing to identiy oneself with the all powerful idealistic hero of a movie in a cinema hall, when you experience a journey through the desert in an airconditioned room, then actual travel through it. So, finding faults with all that we have or we don't have is easy, but if we really look back to ourselves, then we will find, as to how much have we contributed to it or how inert have we been to keep seeing it happen and not do any thing.
Being proud of our heritage motivates us to do well. Any thing that motivates us, gets us started. We really have to form a habit out of it go keep it going.
Regarding people being proud of India but settled in foreign countries. I meet people here every day those are helping four to five families back home, which they would not have been able to do if they had not come here. It is not all green pastures here. People do work extremely hard to survive leave aside being successful in their field. It is the same case back home. Many of these people who work here, really want to be back home, but they are here, because they can support their families better while working here than at home. Can they still be proud of being an Indian, "Absolutely". It is our heritage that had taught us to help our family members in need. While we do have this class of people, we also have other class back in our villages, where a brother want to acquire his real brother's share of land by any means. Where a powerful neighbor want to superimpose himself over his less fortunate neighbor. So we do have all kind of people in the society every where.
We can only control our own activities. That is the least we can do for ourselves, society and the nation, and be proud of it.
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Jit relax my friend and have patience!!!!!!!!!!
I am still an Indian citizen besides being a Canadian citizen. If I live out side India that does not mean my love for my country will diminish. I am proud to be an Indian as well as Canadian. My affection towards India is more because I was born and educated there. It takes time for the people to understand their Civic Duties. America and Canada got independance 150 years ago while India got 60 years ago. These countries started booming after 100 years of their independance while India started booming after 50 years. My friend wait, your long list of complaints will go down with the passage of time. Just do your duties and have patience.
Gulia Bhaisaab,
Not only Americans but almost all other people proud of their Ethnicity & Country...so wat diffrence it makes, Its just an Emotional Attachment! But the the very thing that seprates them with us is the Sense of 'Civic Duties'!!
I read some where else in thread about Great Dr Kalam's speech, he elaborated it really well what's lackin in Indian Citizens ... with addition by our Respected Seniors like Nashir ji, Col Tevatia ji & Jaggu uncle ... makes sense!
But I wonder how many of us will try to improve the shortcomings that making our Country worse ... here ppl just dont wanna learn they r just Dead, they dont want to improve thats why I always say 'Ish Desh ka kuch nahi ho sakta, ye Desh hi barbaad hai!' ... Situations not gonna change here no matter if u improve urself or not cuz here ppl just dont wanna change! I may sound negative but this is Harsh Truth!!
Aur bhaisaab, Contradictory statment - ur talkin about quiting Indian citizenship and seek asylum while u urself is residing abroad in Canada
So all in all we shudn't feel proud by just carryin 'False Pride' instead we should sense our fundamental civic duties n work on it for betterment of our great country. period.
Rock on
Jit
I am still an Indian citizen besides being a Canadian citizen. If I live out side India that does not mean my love for my country will diminish. I am proud to be an Indian as well as Canadian. My affection towards India is more because I was born and educated there. It takes time for the people to understand their Civic Duties. America and Canada got independance 150 years ago while India got 60 years ago. These countries started booming after 100 years of their independance while India started booming after 50 years. My friend wait, your long list of complaints will go down with the passage of time. Just do your duties and have patience.
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Needed to come back !
Here is something to ponder. I would say the topic was thrown at the readers to evaluate how well our nation is doing and how good should we feel about everything that is going on.
There is so much noble past to feel good about. The saints and the emperors - the likes of Ashoka the Great and Harishchandra. At the same time, that very past makes us sad that we LOST our values and went in the gutters. If we NEVER had a good past, we probably won’t feel that bad.
The situation is really pathetic in many ways. Our problems are so bad that we can’t even focus on the issues and try to find solutions. We quickly divert from the issues and that is the property of our Indian blood. O’ Yes, that is one of majors reasons we as a nation are in bad shape.
Let me cite examples (one can write a book here). But first, let me define progress. Progress for an individual, society or nation is simply a state better than the previous one.
India has progressed in many ways. We have cell phones now, more cars on the roads than there were 15 years ago and we have many rich people now.
At the same time we have advanced to the level (in the 21st century) to believe that the caste system is God given and we should bungle our education system, service system and thus our very progress by fixing quotas based on castes and not on ability.
O’ yes, we should feel very proud of that.
We in India define the notion of poverty based on Calorie intake (forget the need for shelter, clothes – and education is a luxury).
A matter of real pride!
I won’t duplicate what Col. Jag Mohan wrote.
Let me quickly wind up by getting to the point of diversion. As a good example, lately there seem to be a food shortage in the world. Mr. George Bush pointed out something to towards India to look into its situation. Our ministry took issue with that in the wrong way and started fighting back.
Come on folks – where is your common sense! If someone says anything about us, our home, children etc. then we should look into the situation if indeed there is a problem. In general, those who point out our shortcomings are indeed our friends because they help us to move towards progress. False flattery is no good.
Even here in this thread, rather than looking into our own home, we have started abusing other people and countries.
A gentleman calls those living in the US as sick people. I wonder how that relates to or solves the problems in India.
Another says that 10% of US people are in prisons. Let there be 50% of the Americans in jails. How does that make us proud of what we do in India? Furthermore, ignorance and silliness are no bliss. Canada has internet. Even India has. You go on line and find out ALL facts about US (or any developed country). There are less than 2.5 million people in US who are behind bars in Federal or State prisons or local jails. That is .8 (<1) percent.
We should feel proud of our tolerance, habit of sticking to the issues, and all the knowledge we carry in discussions.
Message is clear - focus on issues and help the situation if you can.
Here is something to ponder. I would say the topic was thrown at the readers to evaluate how well our nation is doing and how good should we feel about everything that is going on.
There is so much noble past to feel good about. The saints and the emperors - the likes of Ashoka the Great and Harishchandra. At the same time, that very past makes us sad that we LOST our values and went in the gutters. If we NEVER had a good past, we probably won’t feel that bad.
The situation is really pathetic in many ways. Our problems are so bad that we can’t even focus on the issues and try to find solutions. We quickly divert from the issues and that is the property of our Indian blood. O’ Yes, that is one of majors reasons we as a nation are in bad shape.
Let me cite examples (one can write a book here). But first, let me define progress. Progress for an individual, society or nation is simply a state better than the previous one.
India has progressed in many ways. We have cell phones now, more cars on the roads than there were 15 years ago and we have many rich people now.
At the same time we have advanced to the level (in the 21st century) to believe that the caste system is God given and we should bungle our education system, service system and thus our very progress by fixing quotas based on castes and not on ability.
O’ yes, we should feel very proud of that.
We in India define the notion of poverty based on Calorie intake (forget the need for shelter, clothes – and education is a luxury).
A matter of real pride!
I won’t duplicate what Col. Jag Mohan wrote.
Let me quickly wind up by getting to the point of diversion. As a good example, lately there seem to be a food shortage in the world. Mr. George Bush pointed out something to towards India to look into its situation. Our ministry took issue with that in the wrong way and started fighting back.
Come on folks – where is your common sense! If someone says anything about us, our home, children etc. then we should look into the situation if indeed there is a problem. In general, those who point out our shortcomings are indeed our friends because they help us to move towards progress. False flattery is no good.
Even here in this thread, rather than looking into our own home, we have started abusing other people and countries.
A gentleman calls those living in the US as sick people. I wonder how that relates to or solves the problems in India.
Another says that 10% of US people are in prisons. Let there be 50% of the Americans in jails. How does that make us proud of what we do in India? Furthermore, ignorance and silliness are no bliss. Canada has internet. Even India has. You go on line and find out ALL facts about US (or any developed country). There are less than 2.5 million people in US who are behind bars in Federal or State prisons or local jails. That is .8 (<1) percent.
We should feel proud of our tolerance, habit of sticking to the issues, and all the knowledge we carry in discussions.
Message is clear - focus on issues and help the situation if you can.
raj_rathee
New member
Well, technically you can't be both unless you are referring to being
an OIC (Overseas Indian Citizen) which isn't quite citizenship in the
normal sense of the word.
Canada allows dual citizenship. India does not.
The day you became a Canadian citizen you lost your Indian citizenship.
You cannot now have an Indian passport. If you still do, you'd be advised to
give it up. Trying to travel on it will get you into trouble.
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raj_rathee
New member
"Why to feel proud to be an Indian?"
Well, baaki option kya hai? Thobday par jib mote-2 aksaro mein
INDIAN likh rakhya sai tae aur chaara hi kya reh jaata hai?
Vaise, other than that I think there is plenty to be genuinely awed and
proud of about India. I think other posts have highlighted some good reasons.
A cursory look through Indian history, social and cultural systems, spirituality,
modern day technical prowess...will genuinely leave anyone fascinated with
the unique civilization that India is.
Well, baaki option kya hai? Thobday par jib mote-2 aksaro mein
INDIAN likh rakhya sai tae aur chaara hi kya reh jaata hai?
Vaise, other than that I think there is plenty to be genuinely awed and
proud of about India. I think other posts have highlighted some good reasons.
A cursory look through Indian history, social and cultural systems, spirituality,
modern day technical prowess...will genuinely leave anyone fascinated with
the unique civilization that India is.
Budh ji I agree on many things you have mentioned. It is matter of perception. It is how you perceive the question in discussion it self. Also I have mentioned about the documentary "Sicko"on poor health services in US and never said people living in US as sick.
I believe, every one on this site feels proud to be a Jat.
What is that, when as a jat we are proud of?
Have Jats been performing to the level, to feel proud of?
Have Jats been performing to their potential?
I believe, it is our identity that we are proud of?
Is there any thing wrong in that?
It is distinct set of traits, culture that separates us from rest of the Indians, and we are proud of that.
That is what as an Indian I feel, special ,distinct from people from rest of the world, and I am proud of that.
I feel proud of what I have and stive for what i need to have!
Cheers!
I believe, every one on this site feels proud to be a Jat.
What is that, when as a jat we are proud of?
Have Jats been performing to the level, to feel proud of?
Have Jats been performing to their potential?
I believe, it is our identity that we are proud of?
Is there any thing wrong in that?
It is distinct set of traits, culture that separates us from rest of the Indians, and we are proud of that.
That is what as an Indian I feel, special ,distinct from people from rest of the world, and I am proud of that.
I feel proud of what I have and stive for what i need to have!
Cheers!
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brahmtewatia
Active member
the song always make me feel nostalgic nd for a moment i forget everything wrong abt india, hwever when the shock subsides (ii mean when the feeling is over)...i realise...
* we still hv laloo prasad yadav
* we still hv behanji mayawati...as our leaders
* we still hv ramadoss, who can go any extremes to satisfy his personal ego
* we still hv honor kilings
* i still cannot get driving license frm delhi thru normal procedure
* i still face those croocked luks frm custom officials while passing thru green channel
* we still hv tht same law thts only for poor.
* i still meet those corrupt DP policewalla's on the road with foxy luks, chancing their eyes on the honest/helpless prey.
...but i luv my india
...very well said !!!
Nashier Uncle,
Can't agree more then that, I concur ur views uncleji 100% ! This is wat I wanted to convey but I was just not getting the right words, Nashier uncle put it in really great manner, so thanks to him! Kudos to You...
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@ Veeru Uncle : Uncleji firstly plz dont use words like 'Ji' .. am like ur son so it makes me feel low...btw, I simply luv the way u express ur views using practical examples; makes it very easy to grasp!
I very much agree with ur positive views and I second ur thoughts, - 'We can only control our own activities. That is the least we can do for ourselves, society and the nation, and be proud of it.' But problem is no one willing to change as Nashier uncle stated, the situation is worsenin day by day , The day when every Indian will start introspecting and try to improve himself, Our India will be nothing less then Heaven!
As for people settled abroad I've nothing against them, they infact made a gud move to improve quality of life & achieve their goals, even many family members of mine are well settled in abroad but they are still very much Indian, whenever they come to India, nobody can tell that these ppl have been leaving abroad for long! I really appreciate their stickeness towards their roots & their down2earth attitude, But how many NRIs r like this leave for Jats, they are n always will be true Indians no matter how many years they spend abroad, wat about Gujuratis n Punjabis? are they attached to their Indian culture? I doubt!...
Anyways, Uncleji I very much appreciate ur views here & its always enlightening to intreact with ya!
May be we aimin high but one day we Indian will be proud of 'Real Pride' !
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@ Gulia Bhaisaab : Bhaisaab, Ram Ram ... Plz dont get me wrong am very much cool n relaxed and No hard feelings by my side!
I just got lil irritated with ur that statment thats why I stated my views! So plz dont take it otherwise & I dont hv any doubt about ur being Indian, A Real Jat always will be Indian no matter where he lives ...
U know my Tauji (who's a renown Scientist) and Elder sis & family, are settled in Canada, they still are very much Indians ... as I stated earlier they all are very much attached to their roots & culture and am proud of it.
As par you, It'll take some time rather more time to people sense their duties but how later, Conditions is getting worsen day by day as Nashier uncle explained so it aches!
You gave in gud examples and here I also wanna give couple of ones, you know Japan was completly destroyed in Second world war so India & Japan kinda started rebuilding at the same time, now look at the Japan n then look at the India ... I guess I dont need to explain the diffrence! second example is of China, we almost same r in population, once China was considered as 'Sick Man of Asia' just becoz most of their ppl r addicted to drugs n all become lathargic n lazy; look at them now they are arguable the most fit ppl in world today, they always stand #1 in Olympics!
Why Japan & China devloped in sucha sort time span? Whats the reason? I guess everybody knows the reason! 'Sense of Civic Duties' & 'Self introspection' .... The day when Indian started thinkin about it we'll be far far ahead from rest of world! ... its a wishful thinkin thou
Thats all for now...
Rock on
Jit
Can't agree more then that, I concur ur views uncleji 100% ! This is wat I wanted to convey but I was just not getting the right words, Nashier uncle put it in really great manner, so thanks to him!
Kudos to You...--
@ Veeru Uncle : Uncleji firstly plz dont use words like 'Ji' .. am like ur son so it makes me feel low...btw, I simply luv the way u express ur views using practical examples; makes it very easy to grasp!
I very much agree with ur positive views and I second ur thoughts, - 'We can only control our own activities. That is the least we can do for ourselves, society and the nation, and be proud of it.' But problem is no one willing to change as Nashier uncle stated, the situation is worsenin day by day , The day when every Indian will start introspecting and try to improve himself, Our India will be nothing less then Heaven!
As for people settled abroad I've nothing against them, they infact made a gud move to improve quality of life & achieve their goals, even many family members of mine are well settled in abroad but they are still very much Indian, whenever they come to India, nobody can tell that these ppl have been leaving abroad for long! I really appreciate their stickeness towards their roots & their down2earth attitude, But how many NRIs r like this leave for Jats, they are n always will be true Indians no matter how many years they spend abroad, wat about Gujuratis n Punjabis? are they attached to their Indian culture? I doubt!...
Anyways, Uncleji I very much appreciate ur views here & its always enlightening to intreact with ya!
May be we aimin high but one day we Indian will be proud of 'Real Pride' !
--
@ Gulia Bhaisaab : Bhaisaab, Ram Ram ... Plz dont get me wrong am very much cool n relaxed and No hard feelings by my side!
I just got lil irritated with ur that statment thats why I stated my views! So plz dont take it otherwise & I dont hv any doubt about ur being Indian, A Real Jat always will be Indian no matter where he lives ...
U know my Tauji (who's a renown Scientist) and Elder sis & family, are settled in Canada, they still are very much Indians ... as I stated earlier they all are very much attached to their roots & culture and am proud of it.
As par you, It'll take some time rather more time to people sense their duties but how later, Conditions is getting worsen day by day as Nashier uncle explained so it aches!
You gave in gud examples and here I also wanna give couple of ones, you know Japan was completly destroyed in Second world war so India & Japan kinda started rebuilding at the same time, now look at the Japan n then look at the India ... I guess I dont need to explain the diffrence!
second example is of China, we almost same r in population, once China was considered as 'Sick Man of Asia' just becoz most of their ppl r addicted to drugs n all become lathargic n lazy; look at them now they are arguable the most fit ppl in world today, they always stand #1 in Olympics!Why Japan & China devloped in sucha sort time span? Whats the reason? I guess everybody knows the reason! 'Sense of Civic Duties' & 'Self introspection' .... The day when Indian started thinkin about it we'll be far far ahead from rest of world! ... its a wishful thinkin thou
Thats all for now...
Rock on
Jit
You are right, I am an OCI.
It does not make much difference for me because I do not need the passport, right to vote and government assignments. I do not have right to buy the agriculture land. I am still happy to have limited rights.
NRI lobby has atleast reached to the stage of OCI, I am confident that one day GOI will agree for the above excluded rights as well. It is just a matter of time.
Rathee sahib jo milja wo hi dheek hai pahle OCI bhi nahi thi.
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