Mr. Abhimanyu
Do not compare India with Western world. Do not forget that we got freedom just 60 years back. It took 200 years for the Western world to reach where they are now today. Have patience.
Why to Feel Proud to be an Indian !!
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Mr. Abhimanyu
Do not compare India with Western world. Do not forget that we got freedom just 60 years back. It took 200 years for the Western world to reach where they are now today. Have patience.
mukeshkumar007
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har koi yeh pankatiya dohrata hai.. ek sanik bi inhi ko follow karta huwa apni jaan kurban kar deta hai lakin peeche uski puri family zindagi bhar ke liye mushibat utate hai.. jaise ki col uncle ne keha ki war maie sheed huwe sanik ki vidhwa pension ke liye bhekh mangati rehti hai.. society bi jaldi hi bhool jati hai.. yeh dekh kar yeh pankatiya bogus lagti hai sachi maie...
baat problem ki nai hai, baat adversities ki nai hai..baat hai soch ki.. jo ki bhot hi ghatiya ho gai aaj ke time chahe government ho ya pir jantaa..
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Bhai Abhimanyu,
I agree with you in total, there are still problems and those would take years and years to reach to the desired level. At the same time, I would like say that we must learn to appreciate what we have. As your Id suggests, Positivelook. I mean look positive think positive and act positive, than only we can have some positives in personal life as well as in public life. How much energy we waste in criticizing and not making a small positive contribution?
Arr bhai Abhimanyu, yo Olympic mei Gold medal ka akaal sa ibke ye mahare Bhiwani aale chhore jaroor todenge, mera dil keh se!
भाई मुकेश
इन पंक्तियों को केवल दोहराने से काम नही चलता , महसूस करना पड़ता है , जीना पड़ता है
तभी एक जवान अपनी जान देश पर न्योछावर करता है / उस समय वो कोई तर्क नही करता
उस समय वो घायल अवस्था में भी यही संदेश अपने कमांडर से कहता है , " ये दिल मांगे मोरे "
आपने जो बात कर्नल साहेब के हवाले से कही है , वो एक उपवाद ही हो सकता है
फ़िर भी निंदनीय है. कारन चाहे परवारिक कलह , या वयवस्था तन्त्र का फेल होना !
आप अपनी मेहनत का प्रतिफल न मिलने से कुंठित हैं या किसी और वजह से , इतना जरुर है आपको यहाँ भी और अपने निजी जीवन में भी सकरतम सोचने की जरूरत है
अब आप इसे विधि की विधान कहिये , या शाररिक सरंचना का कमाल, कि में , चाहे जंहा भी रहूँ , चाहे जैसा भी दीखता हूँ
भारतीय ही रहूँगा, एक जाट ही रहूँगा / कंही से मेरी खाल खुरच लो, डीएनए पुकार २ कर कहेगा में जाट हूँ , भारतीय हूँ
अब जब में अपनी असली पहचान बदल ही नही सकता , तब जो है उसे मन से क्यों ने सवीकार करूं, क्यों ने उस पर गुमान करूँ !
आप एक बहुत ही होनहार नोजवान हैं, सकारात्मक सोचिये ! कुवय्वास्था के ख़िलाफ़ आपका गुस्सा जायज, पर उसे रातों रात तो सुधार नही जा सकता / अपने स्तर पर प्रयास करते रहिये !
खुश रहो!
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Mera Bharat mahaan
Well, the question raised here is "Why to feel proud to be an Indian". Simply, Because thats your motherland.
All you whingers in this thread, do you remember जननी जन्मभूमिश्च स्वर्गात अपि गरीयसी ! means your mother and your motherland are greater than the heaven. They're on top of everything else. If you don't feel proud then shut the hell up and watch the world. You are talking about rape, corruption, murders, crime and what not. I ask you "Where DOES NOT these happen?". Its everywhere. You find more crime in India simply because of more population. Mathematically speaking, crime is directly proportional to the population.
Lesser the people, less is the crime.
मेरा भारत महान !
जय हिंद और जय हिंद की सेना !
Well, the question raised here is "Why to feel proud to be an Indian". Simply, Because thats your motherland.
All you whingers in this thread, do you remember जननी जन्मभूमिश्च स्वर्गात अपि गरीयसी ! means your mother and your motherland are greater than the heaven. They're on top of everything else. If you don't feel proud then shut the hell up and watch the world. You are talking about rape, corruption, murders, crime and what not. I ask you "Where DOES NOT these happen?". Its everywhere. You find more crime in India simply because of more population. Mathematically speaking, crime is directly proportional to the population.
Lesser the people, less is the crime.मेरा भारत महान !
जय हिंद और जय हिंद की सेना !
vivekgathwala
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vivekgathwala
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but i personally feel proud to be indian n u all guyz too
regrds
vivek
regrds
vivek
Hey Guys some thoughts which i thought sud share with u ppl..............................
How you play with us, did you ever see?
At Seven, I had decided what I wanted to be;
I would serve you to the end,
All these boundaries I would defend.
Now you make me look like a fool,
When at Seventeen and just out of school;
Went to the place where they made 'men out of boys'
Lived a tough life sacrificed a few joys
In those days, I would see my 'civilian' friends,
Living a life with the fashion trends;
Enjoying their so called 'College Days'
While I sweated and bled in the sun and haze
But I never thought twice about what where or why
All I knew was when the time came, I'd be ready to do or die.
At 21 and with my commission in hand,
Under the glory of the parade and the band,
I took the oath to protect you over land, air or sea,
And make the supreme sacrifice when the need came to be.
I stood there with a sense of recognition,
But on that day I never had the premonition,
that when the time came to give me my due,
You'd just say,' What is so great that you do?'
Long back you promised a well to do life;
And when I'm away, take care of my wife.
You came and saw the hardships I live through,
And I saw you make a note or two,
And I hoped you would realise the worth of me;
but now I know you'll never be able to see,
Because you only see the glorified life of mine,
Did you see the place where death looms all the time?
Did you meet the man standing guard in the snow?
The name of his newborn he does not know...
Did you meet the man whose father breathed his last?
While the sailor patrolled our seas so vast?
You still know I'll not be the one to raise my voice
I will stand tall and protect you in Punjab Himachal and Thois.
But that's just me you have in the sun and rain,
For now at Twenty Four, you make me think again;
About the decision I made, Seven years back;
Should I have chosen another life, some other track?
Will I tell my son to follow my lead?
Will I tell my son, you'll get all that you need?
This is the country you will serve
This country will give you all that you deserve?
I heard you tell the world ' India is shining'
I told my men, that's a reason for us to be smiling
This is the India you and I will defend!
But tell me how long will you be able to pretend?
You go on promise all that you may,
But it's the souls of your own men you betray.
Did you read how some of our eminent citizens
Write about me and ridicule my very existence?
I ask you to please come and see what I do,
Come and have a look at what I go through
Live my life just for a day
Maybe you'll have something else to say?
I will still risk my life without a sigh
To keep your flag flying high
but today I ask myself a question or two
Oh India . Why do I still serve you?
How you play with us, did you ever see?
At Seven, I had decided what I wanted to be;
I would serve you to the end,
All these boundaries I would defend.
Now you make me look like a fool,
When at Seventeen and just out of school;
Went to the place where they made 'men out of boys'
Lived a tough life sacrificed a few joys
In those days, I would see my 'civilian' friends,
Living a life with the fashion trends;
Enjoying their so called 'College Days'
While I sweated and bled in the sun and haze
But I never thought twice about what where or why
All I knew was when the time came, I'd be ready to do or die.
At 21 and with my commission in hand,
Under the glory of the parade and the band,
I took the oath to protect you over land, air or sea,
And make the supreme sacrifice when the need came to be.
I stood there with a sense of recognition,
But on that day I never had the premonition,
that when the time came to give me my due,
You'd just say,' What is so great that you do?'
Long back you promised a well to do life;
And when I'm away, take care of my wife.
You came and saw the hardships I live through,
And I saw you make a note or two,
And I hoped you would realise the worth of me;
but now I know you'll never be able to see,
Because you only see the glorified life of mine,
Did you see the place where death looms all the time?
Did you meet the man standing guard in the snow?
The name of his newborn he does not know...
Did you meet the man whose father breathed his last?
While the sailor patrolled our seas so vast?
You still know I'll not be the one to raise my voice
I will stand tall and protect you in Punjab Himachal and Thois.
But that's just me you have in the sun and rain,
For now at Twenty Four, you make me think again;
About the decision I made, Seven years back;
Should I have chosen another life, some other track?
Will I tell my son to follow my lead?
Will I tell my son, you'll get all that you need?
This is the country you will serve
This country will give you all that you deserve?
I heard you tell the world ' India is shining'
I told my men, that's a reason for us to be smiling
This is the India you and I will defend!
But tell me how long will you be able to pretend?
You go on promise all that you may,
But it's the souls of your own men you betray.
Did you read how some of our eminent citizens
Write about me and ridicule my very existence?
I ask you to please come and see what I do,
Come and have a look at what I go through
Live my life just for a day
Maybe you'll have something else to say?
I will still risk my life without a sigh
To keep your flag flying high
but today I ask myself a question or two
Oh India . Why do I still serve you?
Hey Vijay, where had you gone missing?
This poem was posted before on Jatland by Naveen Gullia and there was a lengthy discussion. I am forwarding the link. Anyways, thanks Praveer Bhai for re-posting it here!
http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24774
This poem was posted before on Jatland by Naveen Gullia and there was a lengthy discussion. I am forwarding the link. Anyways, thanks Praveer Bhai for re-posting it here!
http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24774
Dear Members,
Some very valuable points have been raised by Col Malik. I am just trying to make an honest attempt to look at these. I am not even sure if I have tried to give a solution to any of them. We all make our choices, and get what we do. Unfortunately the world does not function as we think it should. Here are my views on the questions raised.
However, I don’t feel proud as an Indian when:
• Merit is not honored and corruption thrives.
It is because of this reason, we should all oppose any new reservation and work hard to get rid of the existing one. Unfortunately when it comes to our own personal interests, we do forget the logic part of the problem.
• Our politicians work against the very preambles of our constitution.
And what we have done to ensure that such politicians do not come to power? Or if they did and worked against the constitution, whether or not they were made examples. Once it comes to voting, we finally get back to the cast and personal gains, the society and nation takes the back seat for they can wait. It is preciously because of this reason, they are enjoying at our cost. Easier said than done, but nothing can be done unless it is started. Unfortunately we did not even start.
• There is such an increasing gap between the rich and poor.
We tried to solve it by reservation, we could not bridge this gap, but did create another gap within the society. Who can forget the Mandal Era and our honorable PM Mr. V P Singh. In a capatilist society this will remain a problem. We must encourage the fair competition yet guarding the big fish eating the small fish. Mr. Nehru’s socialistic model did not work here nor it worked in former Soviet Union. No system is perfect, but we do need to find a middle way. What it could be itself is a point for discussion.
• When mothers sell their children for as little as Rupees 100 just to feed themselves.
That is unfortunate, but the reason may not be entirely to get a meal or two out of it. Sometimes mother might have thought of a better future for her child and that could be the driving force. But the fact of the matter is, we as a society should be able to provide two full meals to our folks. How can it be done, again is a matter of discussion.
• When materialism buries our value system.
To most of us the value system is sacred so long it does not affect us. When it does affect most of us materially, we do forget it. We are pretty good at telling others what to do and how to do, but when it comes to our own actions, only the green currency looks visible. Unfortunate but true. We have to get out of our lust for money, power and personal comfort if we really want to do some thing meaningful for the society. The mission to improve the society must remain uppermost in the priorities. Our own personal gains, comfort or any thing personal should come last always and every time. That is the oath we took when we climbed the last step at Chetwood building at IMA.
• When old parents are left to die by the children.
That again comes from the value that we have in society. The time has changed. Most families are two income family. It does not make a financial sense to me one of the child leaving his/her job to take care of the ailing parents, if they can afford the specialized care for the ailing old people. We took care of our mother, but to expect the same from our children would be foolhardiness. If they do it, take it as a bonus and thank them. We must plan while we are still capable of working, to ensure that we take care of ourselves in old age. Difficult, but not impossible. Again it amounts to the expectations from others over which we have no control.
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• When children are killed by parents in the name of honor.
That is a shame. On this site itself we had seen different views. Killing can’t be justified unless it is a full scale war and against an external aggression. Such people must be brought to justice and made example for the society. In a free democratic world (and that is what most of us want) people should be left free to choose what they want to do so long they don’t break the law of the land, and if the law is weak we need to fix the law itself.
• Where dowry death increase each passing year.
This has been a social evil for long. Now to me, it is other way around as in most cases it is difficult to find out as to who is at fault and who is taking the advantage of the law. The best thing is let people decide whom they want to marry?
• When we behave like beasts on the roads.
Again it is more to do with the execution of the law or law enforcement. We need to make people accountable. Education is most important aspect of it. Sometime people do break the law because the road sign has been covered by the poster/advertisement of a politician or political movement like “Chalo Delhi”. We must ensure that we do have a good road sign posting that is not tempered with and people breaking these are punished heavily for their activities may cause loss of life to themselves as well as others. You make a few examples and the word will spread, that as law enforcement agency we mean business.
• Where people only think about themselves.
Already covered, we are all party to it.
• When a world champion comes home and has to take an auto rickshaw to go home.
I am not too sure about such cases. In a corporate world, people do look only for profits. There are various ways and means a person who has good world recognition can earn a living. Sometimes it is the approach of the person or may be hard negotiation by the person himself may lead to such a situation. It was possible in the past, but with the media is being overactive as it is today, I feel there should be less chances of this happening unless person adopts it as a preferred profession. In any case pulling rickshaw is a better profession than stealing.
• Where widows of war heroes have to beg for pension, leave alone acceptability.
That is an issue. Bureaucracy has been the cause of trouble always, but at the same time we all are responsible for creating these problems. More often than not, it comes to sharing of the proceeds between widow and parents of the deceased. Again for our personal gains we do forget the pain of the widow as well as the parents including the widow and parents themselves. We have already discussed the values and personal interests earlier.
• Where wife of an Olympian Hockey Gold Medalist has to work as a maid servant to make two ends meet.
That is unfortunate, but again there might be more to it than what meets the eye.
• Where there is discrimination on the basis of birth, language, caste and what not.
Reservation issue once again.
The purpose of giving point by point answer to these problems is not to dilute the validity of the points raised, but to get to the inner cell of our own soul to search for the solution. The simplest thing that we can all do is to refrain ourselves from these activities and spread the word around about these evils. I personally feel that most people if educated about these evils and shown that long term impact they might have on themselves, will start thinking about others. Till then let us keep discussing and keep trying to find the solution. We can all be proud as well as ashamed of our country, but then what is country: are we not part of it? Are we not the country? Let us try and get the shame part out of our lives. I am sure if we all keep trying it, we will be very satisfied people and would have sound sleep at night.
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• When children are killed by parents in the name of honor.
That is a shame. On this site itself we had seen different views. Killing can’t be justified unless it is a full scale war and against an external aggression. Such people must be brought to justice and made example for the society. In a free democratic world (and that is what most of us want) people should be left free to choose what they want to do so long they don’t break the law of the land, and if the law is weak we need to fix the law itself.
• Where dowry death increase each passing year.
This has been a social evil for long. Now to me, it is other way around as in most cases it is difficult to find out as to who is at fault and who is taking the advantage of the law. The best thing is let people decide whom they want to marry?
• When we behave like beasts on the roads.
Again it is more to do with the execution of the law or law enforcement. We need to make people accountable. Education is most important aspect of it. Sometime people do break the law because the road sign has been covered by the poster/advertisement of a politician or political movement like “Chalo Delhi”. We must ensure that we do have a good road sign posting that is not tempered with and people breaking these are punished heavily for their activities may cause loss of life to themselves as well as others. You make a few examples and the word will spread, that as law enforcement agency we mean business.
• Where people only think about themselves.
Already covered, we are all party to it.
• When a world champion comes home and has to take an auto rickshaw to go home.
I am not too sure about such cases. In a corporate world, people do look only for profits. There are various ways and means a person who has good world recognition can earn a living. Sometimes it is the approach of the person or may be hard negotiation by the person himself may lead to such a situation. It was possible in the past, but with the media is being overactive as it is today, I feel there should be less chances of this happening unless person adopts it as a preferred profession. In any case pulling rickshaw is a better profession than stealing.
• Where widows of war heroes have to beg for pension, leave alone acceptability.
That is an issue. Bureaucracy has been the cause of trouble always, but at the same time we all are responsible for creating these problems. More often than not, it comes to sharing of the proceeds between widow and parents of the deceased. Again for our personal gains we do forget the pain of the widow as well as the parents including the widow and parents themselves. We have already discussed the values and personal interests earlier.
• Where wife of an Olympian Hockey Gold Medalist has to work as a maid servant to make two ends meet.
That is unfortunate, but again there might be more to it than what meets the eye.
• Where there is discrimination on the basis of birth, language, caste and what not.
Reservation issue once again.
The purpose of giving point by point answer to these problems is not to dilute the validity of the points raised, but to get to the inner cell of our own soul to search for the solution. The simplest thing that we can all do is to refrain ourselves from these activities and spread the word around about these evils. I personally feel that most people if educated about these evils and shown that long term impact they might have on themselves, will start thinking about others. Till then let us keep discussing and keep trying to find the solution. We can all be proud as well as ashamed of our country, but then what is country: are we not part of it? Are we not the country? Let us try and get the shame part out of our lives. I am sure if we all keep trying it, we will be very satisfied people and would have sound sleep at night.
pardon me...
but cant comprehend this country-idolising
i think my respect/love for this country is gradually deteriorating
yeah i LOVE it the way it was...when life was simple n innocent. As depicted in epics and history books. when there was space, resources, respect, values.
but see it NOW,,from a visitors perspective maybe..
its rotten
yeah i LOVE being a jat n will always be proud of it,, obsessed with my culture...but regret being an Indian in todays world.
but cant comprehend this country-idolising
i think my respect/love for this country is gradually deteriorating
yeah i LOVE it the way it was...when life was simple n innocent. As depicted in epics and history books. when there was space, resources, respect, values.
but see it NOW,,from a visitors perspective maybe..
its rotten
yeah i LOVE being a jat n will always be proud of it,, obsessed with my culture...but regret being an Indian in todays world.
If you are not born and brought up in India then you comments may be correct upto certain extent otherwise not acceptable from a prudent person.
Well, i was born n brought up in India (n that too New Delhi-originals from there !,,even that cudnt allay my disgust )only...but never felt belonged there..or take pride for anything---except for my village/villages, the wonderful unpretentious humorous people there, our green farmlands.
Apart from that, INDIA IS ROTTEN
cmon,,,take it with a pinch of salt
IT IS MISERABLE..dont want to repeat my previous post typed a month ago i think
N a badge of approval/acceptance from any fellow jatlander wud be the last thing on my mind!
can manage to survive without that!!!
Apart from that, INDIA IS ROTTEN
cmon,,,take it with a pinch of salt
IT IS MISERABLE..dont want to repeat my previous post typed a month ago i think
N a badge of approval/acceptance from any fellow jatlander wud be the last thing on my mind!
can manage to survive without that!!!
Dear Ms. Deepshi,
You are one of the few privileged born and brought up in Capital City, where the facilities were the best as compared to the rest of the country. You love your village for you must have been there only during your vacations and must have seen only the humorous and welcome part of it. The real life is different.
No doubt there are many bad things in our country (so are they in most of the other countries as well), but there are a lot of good things as well. But let us for now talk only about bad things. Let me ask you one simple question, please mention a bad thing and tell us what did you do to improve it? even if it was just to raise a voice.
Most of us call things rotten, but forget that more often than not we are also responsible for those things as they stand today. We might not change the entire society, but we can do our bit and feel at least satisfied that I did what I could. Things look good when we have no responsibilities. They become difficult when we are expected to share the responsibilities. It looks to me that things looked good to you when your parents were responsible for your comfort and livelihood. The same thing looks bad when one has to earn it. I might be wrong, but that is what it looks to me, for your post is very short and does not explain your experience.
Let me give you a little example. We had a Maj Gen (Retd) visiting us in remote areas of Kashmir in 1982. This officer had fought in 1947-48 with our battalion. He remembered every thing, and recognized each hill that he fought so long ago. We were about to leave one day after the breakfast, his wife was getting ready and him and me were standing outside. He was smoking a cigarette. After he finished his cigarette, he put it off by putting in the sand and kept the bud in his pocket. He did not leave the garbage behind. Now try and recollect your experience. How many times you might have cursed the dirt on the road, but thrown your own garbage on the road. That is the little work we all can do, it does not cost fortunes, but can improve the quality of life manifold.
Your desire not to have approval/ badge/ disapproval of your views is also passive in nature. To me it looks like “who cares attitude”. That is fine, but remember you don’t progress with passivity. A little quote from military books, “by defending you can avoid defeat, but don’t achieve victory”.
Now things are clear.
If you have taken Australian Citizenship then please do not visit India.
You did the same act: jis thaali mei khaya usi ko thokar maar di.
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Its gud u r out of india. there are enough people in India already,dont need any rubbish
I still cant believe how someone can hate their own country so much.
what do u do in Australia for ur bread and butter? R u living here or on work visa or something?
if u can disrespect ur own country that much , u have no self esteem.
understand the difference between disrespecting and critisizing.
i believe u r frustated from life, better seek some professional help.
I still cant believe how someone can hate their own country so much.
what do u do in Australia for ur bread and butter? R u living here or on work visa or something?
if u can disrespect ur own country that much , u have no self esteem.
understand the difference between disrespecting and critisizing.
i believe u r frustated from life, better seek some professional help.
P
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Yah baat hai Ladke!
Bhai global Jat
HHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHHHHAHAHAHHAHa.........................I think whatever ur saying is true.
Abhimanyu Phougat
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HHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHHHHAHAHAHHAHa.........................I think whatever ur saying is true.
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