Intercaste Marriages.

[anilsinghd]

True Anil, but this is helplessness which is there (OSAMA and all), but that does not stop us from being concerned. But what about something which can do but really don't do it. My only concern is that alot of us really don't mean what we say here in this thread. You know when the time will come they'll be the first one to say Intercaste NO NO........those who are advocating it right now(Its my personal experience).

Whenever I see an old lady slip and fall on a wet sidewalk,
my first instinct is to laugh.
But then I think, what if I was an ant, and she fell on me.
Then it wouldn’t seem quite so funny.

- Jack Handey, Deep Thoughts

I dont fault you for that kind of perception , though for me , my first take is to trust people at the face value! ( Although probabilistically speaking ( and this is my own personal hunch ) , I guess you would be more right than wrong on saying people will abandon their own ideas for nothing )!

And this very much reminds me of the term that I coined : Markovish behaviour ! Refer to this if you feel fascinated by the name: http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23181!
You do seem to have predefined notions and you are applying them on everyone in general!

And now I am not so sure whether you are against the idea of intercaste marriage ? Or against the people who are advocating this on this thread ( assuming that many will not live upto their own ideas/thoughts ).

For me these are two different things!

Ofcourse I am debating the idea , not the people!

Hope you get what I intend to say!

Thanks!

Anil

 

[roopak]

hahahha....well said Anil, Well if you see my first few threads on this topic I said people are free to choose their partners, but it'll be gud if you convince your parents too for the same, in case they are not. But when I saw too much stretching of this topic, I commented on the other aspect.

Different people different colors!!

Cheers Buddy!!

I dont fault you for that kind of perception , though for me , my first take is to trust people at the face value!

And now I am not so sure whether you are against the idea of intercaste marriage ? Or against the people who are advocating this on this thread ( assuming that many will not live upto their own ideas/thoughts ).

For me these are two different things!

Ofcourse I am debating the idea , not the people!

Hope you get what I intend to say!

Thanks!

Anil

 

[cooljat]

Bhai, u can try in Rajasthan as well, there're many unique gotras found here which is not there in Haryana n UP !!

Btw, You ppl r talking about 'Inter-Cast' what about 'Inter-State' ?? I observed Jats very much reluctant to marry even 'Inter-State' !! We need to bury this gap first then we can think of further, Step by Step funda works !

I strongly believe that Jats must encourage n promote Inter-State marriages to increase Unity & understanding and I dont think if we follow this trend, saturation will ever come and we hv to go for inter-cast!! Wat say???


Give a thought !!


Rock on
Jit

And to tell you a true incident , i remember my cousin brother who lives in villages , telling me all these and a total of 10 gotras to be left and I telling out loud ki : tum to mera byaah hone hi naa do

Well , i got the list down to just 3 of the gotras to be left and for sure I myself is open to an inter caste as well , if i come across someone worth!!


On a more philosophical note , all these intercastes would get the amount of "consciousness" down which is prevalent among people! And we can afford to hear less rhetoric against other castes in future So it is not so bad a thing !

 

[choudharyneelam]

ye to common sense ki baat hai ki aisa nahi ho sakta. ab kya har bat likhni paregi yahan? aur shayad aap "caste" aur "jaati" ko ek samajh rahi hai. caste is from portoguese word "casta". meaning community. aur jaati ka matlab main likh chuka hun. they r not synomonous.

if i'm not wrong then, we usually write the other meaning of the particular word in brackets, that's why i considered Caste and Jati as the similar things

just refer according to it....

NCERT Book
INDIA Physical Environment
Textbook of Geography
for Class XI
Semester II

Chapter I (Location and Space Relations)....second page, last para (left hand side)

ek baar check jaroor karna....fir theek se samjhana mujhe caste aur jati ka sahi matlab....agar aapke according hai to fir NCERT book mein galti hai

 

[uchoudhary]

why to marry in same caste? can anybody provide a sound, logical reason behind that?
if a jat marries a brahmin, what will happen? will the child not inherit qualities of a jat? does it depend upon the blood or the environment in which the child is raise.

plz provide some valuable insight

Its not like that ki jat ki qualities nahi aati or something.
its like me can't stand in the whole family as like he means the child from intercast marr.
he feel shy and to a extend

 

[samarkadian]

Marriage..Intracaste or Intercaste both way there is death.Love marriage is purely suicide and arranged marriage is planned murder where parents/relatives/friends celeberate it making you sit on ghodi/tactor.

What about NO to marriage....?

 

[rajivsp]

What about NO to marriage....?

perfect option but I am victim of a Loincloth...how to escape?? (Fikr-E-Dunia mein sar Khapata hu, mein kahan aur ye bawal kahan)

There is a delightful story told by Sri Ramakrishna about a man who chose to become a sadhu. Under the instruction of his guru, this sadhu lived in a small hut in the middle of the forest. Each morning after his devotional exercises, he would wash and hang his loincloth up to dry. One day, he found that his cloth had been torn to shreds by rats. So he went into the village to beg for another.
Unfortunately, the new cloth met the same fate a few days later. The sadhu was quite perturbed, but one of the villagers suggested that he get a cat to frighten away the rats. This arrangement proved to be quite satisfactory as far as the safety of the loincloth was concerned. However, though the sadhu had no need now to beg for loincloths, he needed to beg for milk since the cat had to be fed.
Another villager suggested that the sadhu keep a cow. All things considered, this seemed like a good idea so that is what was done and the cat had plenty of milk. However, though the sadhu had no need now to beg for milk, he needed to beg for straw in order to feed the cow.
To deal with this dilemma, it was advised the sadhu take to tilling the land in order to grow his own crops. However, since this was not an easy feat for one person, the sadhu had to engage some labourers and found it necessary to build barns to store the crop in. Eventually, he became a landlord and then had to take a wife to look after his large and growing household.
When his guru came to see him, the man fell at his feet in great shame and cried, " My Lord, all for a single piece of loincloth! "

 

[mittu]

Conclusion

On strict note: Ek to logo ne beech beech mein aeisi tessi karwa k JUGAL-BANDHI kharaab kardi baakiya ki

On lighter note: Intra-caste wale to mere khayaal se confuse ho gaye hai aur eb shyaad chhori/chhore k surname te pehlya chhori/chhori ne tawajo denge! aur naa bhi denge to kam te kam confuse to pakka hoge honge...
aur shaadi-shuda to iss taage ne naa padhe to theek hai :thappad

 

[arvind1069]

if i'm not wrong then, we usually write the other meaning of the particular word in brackets, that's why i considered Caste and Jati as the similar things

just refer according to it....

NCERT Book
INDIA Physical Environment
Textbook of Geography
for Class XI
Semester II

Chapter I (Location and Space Relations)....second page, last para (left hand side)

ek baar check jaroor karna....fir theek se samjhana mujhe caste aur jati ka sahi matlab....agar aapke according hai to fir NCERT book mein galti hai

come on neelam...bachhon si baatein karti ho...
NCERT ne likh diya to kya khuda ka kaha ho gaya. NCERT is not a final authority.infact NCERT to sarkaari gulaam hai. unki to kayi baatein controversial hai. ye koi maths ya physics nahi hai ki NCERT ne likh diya to sach ho gaya. ye philosophy hai jiske liye NCERT koi aukaat nahi rakhti. gyaan ka daayra NCERT ke bahar bhi hai. romila thapar ke alawa aur bhi duniya main bahut vidvaan historians, philogists, philosophers hai jinhone kaafi kuch likha hai. i suggest u to read them. kuch time pehle NCERT ne shivaji, aur jaaton ke baare main bi kuch ulta sulta likh diya tha. vo to ye bhi likhte hai ki arya bahar se aaye the aur hindustan main sada se moorkh aur uncivilised log rehte aaye aaye hai. to kya unki baat maan lein.
madam NCERT se bahar bhi bahut literature hai. use bhi zara dekhiye.
hum koi 10 +1 ke bachhe nahi hai jo NCERT tak santusht ho jaayein.

go to google and search for meaning of caste. u ll get it. jaati ka meaning tumhe shayad google par na mile. uske liye darshan shastra ko dekh lena (shayad mimansa darshan main hai, i dont remember)

 

[bislas]

hahhahahhaha ye achha raha

Marriage..Intracaste or Intercaste both way there is death.Love marriage is purely suicide and arranged marriage is planned murder where parents/relatives/friends celeberate it making you sit on ghodi/tactor.

What about NO to marriage....?

 

[bhavnasingh20]

Bhai, u can try in Rajasthan as well, there're many unique gotras found here which is not there in Haryana n UP !!

Btw, You ppl r talking about 'Inter-Cast' what about 'Inter-State' ?? I observed Jats very much reluctant to marry even 'Inter-State' !! We need to bury this gap first then we can think of further, Step by Step funda works !

I strongly believe that Jats must encourage n promote Inter-State marriages to increase Unity & understanding and I dont think if we follow this trend, saturation will ever come and we hv to go for inter-cast!! Wat say???


Give a thought !!


Rock on
Jit

a very valid point raised......

usually even UP rajasthan ppl dun like to marry in haryana n vice versa......to fir intra caste mein choice to kam ho jaati hai na....

n even though v mite not like to acknowledge it but stil female foeticide is very much prevalent.....which again reduces the no. of eligible girls....
then tell wht other option is left but to ask ur children to find someone themselves.....

n if 2 ppl r comfortable n compatible wit each other....then who cares if they r frm diff castes or same castes.....

this is also true tht many parents dun allow love marriage only coz of society etc.....n same caste mein love marriage karo to aaram se kar dete hein.....

aur jahan tak society ki baat hai...sab bas shadi mein aate hein...khana khate hein aur uske baad chale jaate hein...2 din bolenge ki alag caste mein shadi ki uske baad sab shant....

uske baad rehne to unn do loggon ko saath hai na....

 

[cooljat]

hahahaha!! Cant agree more then that !! Indeed its kinda Gamble of Life in which 99% time u lose!!

How bout staying ... 'Single n Happy' !

Marriage..Intracaste or Intercaste both way there is death.Love marriage is purely suicide and arranged marriage is planned murder where parents/relatives/friends celeberate it making you sit on ghodi/tactor.

What about NO to marriage....?

 

[brahmtewatia]

my take on the issue:

i wud prefer (<<< pls. note this word) marriage within JAT family for very simple reasons:

1). JAT's generally hav a very clear and pure bloodline... i mean away frm problems like BP, sugar, asthma or any other genetic disorder(s) etc etc.
2). the adaptibility of the two souls wud b better, since they come frm same culture nd more or less same background.

i feel... these r gud enuff reasons for me to justify my stance.

"ishq wo aatish ghalib, jo lagaye na lage aur bujhaye na bane"... if any near and dear one in my family goes inter-caste, i've no reservations... cos its his life. however, in sucha scenario a lot of perceptions hav to b taken care off, wch may vary frm case to case. Here, the role of elders cum into picture wch cannot b overluked. i strongly advocate luv cum arranged marriage nd i'm VERY STRICTLY against 100% arranged marriages, be it in/inter caste. (well, thts n'vr possible in inter-caste ) also i wud n'vr prefer a marriage in muslims. this is sumthing for wch i am dead against (personal opinion). rest all is fine.

 

[bindolia]

Ravinder do you have a Bank Account with some Jatu Bank ?

Do you eat chappatis only if made by aata from a Jataa ki chakki

Do you watch News strictly by Jat correspondents

Do you use a Jat - made keyboard & PC to use Jatland ... oops i mean I dont think you know any other site other than this .....

Do you walk on Jat made roads ....

If not ....... then ........ you are a hybrid Jat/nakli Jat/milaawati Jat/Doosri jaatiyo pe Dependent Jat/abhi yehi kaafi hai ......

Yes I have intercaste married to Baniya Garg Ladki.

 

[sachinb]

Taakhar bhai ne kati sahi baat kahi,,,,to the point:rock
First start with Interstate among Jats only and then anywhere:boxingha ha ha ha aha
Ib tak ka sab se achha LOGICAL reply tha Jee sa Aa gaya:tamatar
baaki lage rahe 200 reply kal to pure nahi hue,,,,,,aaj koshish karo sab.

Bhai, u can try in Rajasthan as well, there're many unique gotras found here which is not there in Haryana n UP !!

Btw, You ppl r talking about 'Inter-Cast' what about 'Inter-State' ?? I observed Jats very much reluctant to marry even 'Inter-State' !! We need to bury this gap first then we can think of further, Step by Step funda works !

I strongly believe that Jats must encourage n promote Inter-State marriages to increase Unity & understanding and I dont think if we follow this trend, saturation will ever come and we hv to go for inter-cast!! Wat say???


Give a thought !!


Rock on
Jit

 

[raksngh]

Intercast Marriage

Hi Every one,

There is no harm in intercaste marriage, only one of them has to compromise with their traditions.. infact both have to respected each others traditions then only it will be a succesful deal.. otherwise u know it will become an Ego issue & son fun in life.

But before going for intercaste marriage, please don't forget ur parents feelings also... as far as possible try to convert the intercaste marriage into an agreed arranged maariage.. which is beneficiary for both families.

Cheers!

 

[arvind1069]

Marriage..Intracaste or Intercaste both way there is death.Love marriage is purely suicide and arranged marriage is planned murder where parents/relatives/friends celeberate it making you sit on ghodi/tactor.

What about NO to marriage....?

"married life may have pains
but there no pleasure in celibacy"

 

[cooljat]

Marriage & Celibacy are two different things all together, my friend !

"married life may have pains
but there no pleasure in celibacy"

 

[choudharyneelam]

come on neelam...bachhon si baatein karti ho...
NCERT ne likh diya to kya khuda ka kaha ho gaya. NCERT is not a final authority.

go to google and search for meaning of caste. u ll get it.

i think u right upto some extent....jyada knowledge hone ke baad kai baar vichaar dhara ulta mor le leti hai.....as said by many educated elders....showing the same above thru your many quotes

anyways, as asked by you i made the google search also....badon ki baat maan ke bhi dekh li....and here's
the result of google search....

Caste (Sanskrit: Gyati ज्ञाति , Hindi: Biradari बिरादरी, samaj समाज, jati जाति etc , Urdu Zat ज़ात ) is an endogamous group. Generally a sub-caste is divided into Exogamous groups based on same gotras गोत्र.

link for this is....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_caste_system

ab bhi agar bacche ka gyaan adhura rah gaya ho to main aapki badi abhaari rahungi....ek baar soyi buddhi par prakash daaliye.....if you yourself have it

 

[choudharyneelam]

perfect option but I am victim of a Loincloth...how to escape?? (Fikr-E-Dunia mein sar Khapata hu, mein kahan aur ye bawal kahan)

good narration Sir ....and that's very true..........even people who deny for marriages in early age...i mean at the right time, they then get married after some period.....and i've seen some such people very closely....but that's good, atleast they realised the importance of a member, somewhere missing