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A very nice post , appreciated! :) Though it hits at what the cause of the crisis was , but it does not go well with protecting the common people!


The criticism for the I-Bankers is justified , but just pin pointing on IIMs and in last post on IITs is a bit too harsh. The whole of industry, federal govt are responsible for this.

Fannie MAc , Freedic Mac are quasi-federal and they played an vital role in creating all this mess. Common man's greed was also a basic factor , so just putting everything on Wall Street is a bit too harsh for my understanding.
Wall street only expolited that greed element of people , but it was the novel idea of the main street guys that "house prices cannot go down".

As my manager once categorised , it was herd behavious , only being human!


:)

The only way we can protect the common man is by relieving the Government of its capability to regulate the supply of a country's currency.

The Government should not be allowed to manage inflation and deflation by printing Money and vice-versa.

Currency should be strongly backed by precious metals like Gold, Silver and Platinum so there is never a fear of oversupply of cash in the market; and hence curbing the potential problem of inflation.

Government shouldnt be allowed to hold a credit card with an infinite spending limit. A strict definition of Government's roles and responsibilities needs to be set. Taxes should be limited accordingly. If the Government exceeds its spending limit then it should not be the responsibility of the citizens to pay more taxes or lend it any money.

Governments cannot be allowed anymore to dictate our financial futures. They are easily bought out by financially powerful corporations which lobby the Governments to pass preferable corporate and taxation laws.

The very legislators who went on TV, chiding the AIG, Fannie and Freddie executives took 100s of thousands of dollars from them both directly and indirectly.
 
Welcome to WALL STREET !!!

If you have difficulty in understanding the current world financial situation, the following should help...

Once upon a time in a village in India, a man announced to the villagers that he would buy monkeys for $10. The villagers seeing there were many monkeys around, went out to the forest and started catching them.

The man bought thousands at $10, but, as the supply started to diminish,the villagers stopped their efforts. The man further announced that he would now buy at $20. This renewed the efforts of the villagers and they started catching monkeys again.

Soon the supply diminished even further and people started going back to their farms. The offer rate increased to $25 and the supply of monkeys became so little that it was an effort to even see a monkey, let alone catch it!

The man now announced that he would buy monkeys at $50. However, since he had to go to the city on some business, his assistant would now act as buyer, on his behalf. In the absence of the man, the assistant told the villagers: 'Look at all these monkeys in the big cage that the man has collected. I will sell them to you at $35 and when he returns from the city, you can sell them back to him for $50.'

The villagers squeezed together their savings and bought all the monkeys. Then they never saw the man or his assistant again, only monkeys everywhere!

.... Welcome to WALL STREET :D:D:D
 

The villagers squeezed together their savings and bought all the monkeys. Then they never saw the man or his assistant again, only monkeys everywhere!

.... Welcome to WALL STREET :D:D:D


I do not know how many on this forum got the analogy in Brahm's post. If you read it carefully and know a few things about how financial markets operate, you will get the point.

For others let me break it down for you. A lot of US Banks made a lot of bad ARM (Adjusting Rate Mortgages) home loans at rates below the prime lending rate. However, the description these loans says it all. The interest rate on these home loans was really low, but it was just temporary. Soon the Federal Reserve raise the interest rates. This led the interest rates on the ARM loans to go up. For many people the mortgage payments became unaffordable as other things too became expensive due to rising inflation. So they started to walk out of their homes. These homes went into foreclosures and banks started loosing money.

Flashback to the point where the Banks had just passed the loans. Soon after passing the loan they would sell these loans in bundles to Wall Street bankers like Lehman Brothers and Goldman Sachs who invested a major portion of their portfolios in such real estate loans as this was a sector of the economy that was booming and had great potential.

On the other hand these Wall Street bankers would make bets on derivatives. They bet on prices of commodities like oil and precious metals to be delivered in the near future. Due to prices of these commodities moving in a direction opposite to the bets that these Bankers had made, they were on the verge of going bad on a lot of their bets. To make good on their bets they turned to their portfolio which unfortunately was also going downhill due to the increasing numbers of home foreclosures.

So on one hand the Wall Street bankers were loosing a great portion of their portfolio invested in real estate loans as a result of which they could not meet their obligations towards the bets they had made on the derivatives.

A lot of Wall Street Banks could not honor their obligations towards their bets on the derivatives.

As a result there was a lack in confidence in the stock markets. People started selling their stocks. A large number of automated sell orders led to a crash of the stock markets. Dont forget that while individual investors were selling their stocks, the Wall Street Institutional Investors were also liquidating their stock portfolios to get some liquidity.

There was a domino effect as a lot of worldwide investors were heavily invested in Wall Street. While they lost money on Wall Street, a lack of liquidity on Wall Street itself led to a pause in the flow of liquidity into international markets. Thus leading to worldwide stock market crashes.

So when Brahm bhai was talking about the monkeys in the cage that no one came to buy, he meant the obligations on commodity deriviates that were not honored by Wall Street Institutional Bankers who went bad on their bad bets.

I know I might have missed some important points in my explanation. It was extomporaneous.

I did the best to my capability as a Public University graduate. I did not go to a fancy school like those Wall Street bankers who screwed up everything.

At the end of the day, the most important lesson of it all is the age old saying: "Apne pair utne hee failaoo jitni chaddar ho!" Its always helps to live within your means. Apparantely Wall Streed failed to live within its means.

I never liked all this mad money crap anways. There was something that just didnt seem right about how they make money out there. So decided not to have a career in the Finance industry.
 
So when Brahm bhai was talking about the monkeys in the cage that no one came to buy, he meant the obligations on commodity deriviates that were not honored by Wall Street Institutional Bankers who went bad on their bad bets.

I know I might have missed some important points in my explanation. It was extomporaneous.

I did the best to my capability as a Public University graduate. I did not go to a fancy school like those Wall Street bankers who screwed up everything.

At the end of the day, the most important lesson of it all is the age old saying: "Apne pair utne hee failaoo jitni chaddar ho!" Its always helps to live within your means. Apparantely Wall Streed failed to live within its means.

wish i had understud the intricacies of finances nd economies. watever little i can gather, i guess phool has dunn splendid job explaining this worldwide mess. :confused:
 
At the end of the day, the most important lesson of it all is the age old saying: "Apne pair utne hee failaoo jitni chaddar ho!" Its always helps to live within your means. Apparantely Wall Streed failed to live within its means.

They ( Wall Street So called smart guys ) call it LEVERAGE!

Though I still would say , everyone was levered , including main street , including everyone who thought house prices and asset prices can always go up!

I would say your criticism of Wall street is a bit too harsh and biased!


Though I am pretty dure , you would love this piece!

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/money/article4938008.ece


Some excerpts:

Professionalism is part of the problem. People want to be seen to be doing something. It is an engine of office politics. So they formulate plans and theories based on forecasts of events - including potential black swans - which are impossible to predict. In other words, much “planning” is worse than doing nothing.



When someone says he's busy, he means that he's incompetent,” says Taleb. Having a stupidly busy schedule isn't a sign of being important. It means that you become insulated from the real world.”


“idiots in ties,”
 
Sensex goes down below 10000

The continuing crash down in world economy indicates more serious catasrophe in near future. All government decisions will fail, entire consumer society will collapse.... massive job cuts and food crisis will worsen the situation. It might lead to serious drop in law and order in all major countries, where people fight for food and water. There is possibility of a global war too.:boxing So guys !! be ready, end is near.
 
The continuing crash down in world economy indicates more serious catasrophe in near future. All government decisions will fail, entire consumer society will collapse.... massive job cuts and food crisis will worsen the situation. It might lead to serious drop in law and order in all major countries, where people fight for food and water. There is possibility of a global war too.:boxing So guys !! be ready, end is near.


Your personal opinions or copied from somewhere ? Can you cite the source?
 
Your argument is screwed up to start with.

The problem wasnt due to capitalism to begin with. It was because of a powerful federal government that made rules and laws that made it easier for the Wall Street bankers to gamble and take up risks that the limits set by free-market principles wont have allowed. And how did these rules and laws that allowed such egregious behavior? It was due to the lobbying efforts of Wall Street in Washington DC.

Is a bailout Capitalistic in nature? No way. Capitalism prescribes punishment of bad business practices and behavior by filtering out rogue elements who indulge in such.

Bailout is as anti-capitalism as it gets. It is socialism. Socialism for the rich to begin with. The government will buy the bad investments made by Wall Street Bankers. The taxpayers will foot the bill.

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Phool , you yourself ended with critcising the capitalistic nature of Federal Government.Possibly crisis has occured due to undemocratic handling of capitalism.By the way same lines As I quoted..'End of Capitalism' has been discussed on NDTV.Amid this crisis there are going to and would be endless speculations about the reasons of this particular time which world is facing.
I believe the visionaries of past boom should be blamed for this roller coaster.

Morever these ongoings made me think on the following lines:-

1) When exactly currency[in which form] came in to play in human civilization?

2) How much it has controlled/governed/effected society both ways (-vely and+vely) ?

3) Can it be replaced? If yes! then how the world would be without currency?

What should be the replacement?

4) Is this recession good anyhow for world as it would be going to decline US's monopoly in World? Which counteries should be/are in row and Where Asia as whole is standing?




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I do not know how many on this forum got the analogy in Brahm's post. If you read it carefully and know a few things about how financial markets operate, you will get the point.
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I never liked all this mad money crap anways. There was something that just didnt seem right about how they make money out there. So decided not to have a career in the Finance industry.

Thanks Phool for nice explanation.

Mere yo market ka funda kati palle nahi padya kare ... everything virtual and that too sometimes so beneficial and sometimes destroy complete nations like iceland. But this explanation of yours was quite good.

Mein nue sochun tha ki what is the ultimate crux. Friends please go through my observation and comment if I get it right?

1) Bharat jaise desh ke log bachane mein vishvas rakhte hein. Mere-aap jaise logon ne paisa bachaya.
2) aur thoda aur kamane ke lalach mein market mein daal diya e.g mutual funds or other savings in these private banks like icici or others.
3) Now these banks inturn invested this paisa into the banks like lehman bros and others who died in US or Europe.
4) These US/Europe banks has given loans to their people whether it is of House, Car, Computer or everthing. (that too without any first installment or salary checks etc that we used to do in our country)
5) The people of US/Europe has enjoyed the loans and thus enjoyed luxury cars, luxury homes and other items on loans which they didnt deserve as they didnt have that much encome.
6) Now they were not able to pay back the loan and given back the items to banks. Now these items would automatically will have less prices as nobody pay for them more.
7) Ultimatly the banks goes down.
8) Some of them were supported by Govts now. But some still died.

I am not sure here ..... but anticipate that the Govt also will not return each and every panny these banks have borrowed from e.g to ICICI and other banks of India who have invested there in those died out banks?

9) Now if the above is right ..... the ICICI and other will have problem though RBI will do some efforts ..... but will they return full money to the customers?

10) Now if the customer will not get full money which was promised when they deposited into these banks or say will have their Mutual Funds drowned.

11) Ultimatly hua kya ..... bharat jaise desh ke gareeb logon ne paisa joda tinka tinka karke .... aur laga diya in banks mein .... in banks ne US banks ko .... US banks ne US people ko .... jinhone apne aisho-aram ke liye paisa udaya ... aur phir khaa-pee gae to bank doob gae ... aur bank doob gae to apne logon ka paisa dooba ....

Kya aisa hi hai?

Aur agar aisa hai to ye to badi naa-insafi hai .... pahele ek desh ke amir hi gareeb ko chooste they ab ye cheej global ho gae??

Aur kya aisa bhi ho sakta hai ki US govt ne jaan ke pahele se pata hote hue ye hone diya ..... ??? ultimatly hua kya hai ki chahe banks doob gae hein lekin capital chahe wo kaise roop mein hi hai .... humare jaise deshon se shift kar gae hai US mein?

I am not having much idea about this field ... to aise hi dimag chala diya ... ha ha ... samjhaiyo bhaiyo ...
 
Phool , you yourself ended with critcising the capitalistic nature of Federal Government.Possibly crisis has occured due to undemocratic handling of capitalism.By the way same lines As I quoted..'End of Capitalism' has been discussed on NDTV.Amid this crisis there are going to and would be endless speculations about the reasons of this particular time which world is facing.
I believe the visionaries of past boom should be blamed for this roller coaster.

Morever these ongoings made me think on the following lines:-

1) When exactly currency[in which form] came in to play in human civilization?

2) How much it has controlled/governed/effected society both ways (-vely and+vely) ?

3) Can it be replaced? If yes! then how the world would be without currency?

What should be the replacement?

4) Is this recession good anyhow for world as it would be going to decline US's monopoly in World? Which counteries should be/are in row and Where Asia as whole is standing?

I really have been overwhelmed by the quality of the replies on the thread and all contributors must be praised for that!

Phool has been a bit one sided for his criticism of Wall Street for the mess whereas I have tried to highlight that everyone including the govt , main street ( at least in US ) was involved and should take the blame.

I was hearing to a view on CNN yesterday and the speaker was painting a very grim picture of US going forward. Today I read an article where Buffet says he is investing in US stocks !

Article reproduced below:
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Buy American. I Am.

THE financial world is a mess, both in the United States and abroad. Its problems, moreover, have been leaking into the general economy, and the leaks are now turning into a gusher. In the near term, unemployment will rise, business activity will falter and headlines will continue to be scary.
So ... I’ve been buying American stocks. This is my personal account I’m talking about, in which I previously owned nothing but United States government bonds. (This description leaves aside my Berkshire Hathaway holdings, which are all committed to philanthropy.) If prices keep looking attractive, my non-Berkshire net worth will soon be 100 percent in United States equities.

Why?

A simple rule dictates my buying: Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful. And most certainly, fear is now widespread, gripping even seasoned investors. To be sure, investors are right to be wary of highly leveraged entities or businesses in weak competitive positions. But fears regarding the long-term prosperity of the nation’s many sound companies make no sense. These businesses will indeed suffer earnings hiccups, as they always have. But most major companies will be setting new profit records 5, 10 and 20 years from now.
Let me be clear on one point: I can’t predict the short-term movements of the stock market. I haven’t the faintest idea as to whether stocks will be higher or lower a month — or a year — from now. What is likely, however, is that the market will move higher, perhaps substantially so, well before either sentiment or the economy turns up. So if you wait for the robins, spring will be over.

A little history here: During the Depression, the Dow hit its low, 41, on July 8, 1932. Economic conditions, though, kept deteriorating until Franklin D. Roosevelt took office in March 1933. By that time, the market had already advanced 30 percent. Or think back to the early days of World War II, when things were going badly for the United States in Europe and the Pacific. The market hit bottom in April 1942, well before Allied fortunes turned. Again, in the early 1980s, the time to buy stocks was when inflation raged and the economy was in the tank. In short, bad news is an investor’s best friend. It lets you buy a slice of America’s future at a marked-down price.

Over the long term, the stock market news will be good. In the 20th century, the United States endured two world wars and other traumatic and expensive military conflicts; the Depression; a dozen or so recessions and financial panics; oil shocks; a flu epidemic; and the resignation of a disgraced president. Yet the Dow rose from 66 to 11,497.
You might think it would have been impossible for an investor to lose money during a century marked by such an extraordinary gain. But some investors did. The hapless ones bought stocks only when they felt comfort in doing so and then proceeded to sell when the headlines made them queasy.

Today people who hold cash equivalents feel comfortable. They shouldn’t. They have opted for a terrible long-term asset, one that pays virtually nothing and is certain to depreciate in value. Indeed, the policies that government will follow in its efforts to alleviate the current crisis will probably prove inflationary and therefore accelerate declines in the real value of cash accounts.
Equities will almost certainly outperform cash over the next decade, probably by a substantial degree. Those investors who cling now to cash are betting they can efficiently time their move away from it later. In waiting for the comfort of good news, they are ignoring Wayne Gretzky’s advice: “I skate to where the puck is going to be, not to where it has been.”

I don’t like to opine on the stock market, and again I emphasize that I have no idea what the market will do in the short term. Nevertheless, I’ll follow the lead of a restaurant that opened in an empty bank building and then advertised: “Put your mouth where your money was.” Today my money and my mouth both say equities.

Warren E. Buffett is the chief executive of Berkshire Hathaway, a diversified holding company.

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Now difference of opinion has to be there because people are unique and they behave and think uniquely!

Now where do we move from here ?

I would say my favorite law of averages is again at work.

There are people who did not wanted this mess at all. There are people who were short sellers as in the post by Atish.

There are people who do not want any govt. intervention and want these Wall Street firms to go down ! ( Phool's school of thought ) and there are people/firms who want govt to take up everything of this mess ( the Wall street itself , we as a firm working in the same business and others who think this should be the case ).

And probably both the extremes wont be satisfied , What would happen would be that policy makers would infact be trend followers , they would not be able to prevent things , rather they might be able to cure things!

And among all this mess , some will fall , some will merge , some would be humbled , some would become more arrogant! That has been the order and that would be the order going forward.

Yes there would be mess among the journey but the destination would be a better place ( less levered world ,stronger institutions ( survivors of the mess ) , less risk appetite , less risk premiums , most innovations on hold for time being , less US influence , more emerging economies contributing ).

In short a better equilibrium than what existed an year back ! :)


These were my views for 4) of Samar , for 1) , 2) , 3) , I guess we have moved much forward to go back! :)
 
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Thanks Phool for nice explanation.

Mere yo market ka funda kati palle nahi padya kare ... everything virtual and that too sometimes so beneficial and sometimes destroy complete nations like iceland. But this explanation of yours was quite good.

Mein nue sochun tha ki what is the ultimate crux. Friends please go through my observation and comment if I get it right?

1) Bharat jaise desh ke log bachane mein vishvas rakhte hein. Mere-aap jaise logon ne paisa bachaya.
2) aur thoda aur kamane ke lalach mein market mein daal diya e.g mutual funds or other savings in these private banks like icici or others.
3) Now these banks inturn invested this paisa into the banks like lehman bros and others who died in US or Europe.
4) These US/Europe banks has given loans to their people whether it is of House, Car, Computer or everthing. (that too without any first installment or salary checks etc that we used to do in our country)
5) The people of US/Europe has enjoyed the loans and thus enjoyed luxury cars, luxury homes and other items on loans which they didnt deserve as they didnt have that much encome.
6) Now they were not able to pay back the loan and given back the items to banks. Now these items would automatically will have less prices as nobody pay for them more.
7) Ultimatly the banks goes down.
8) Some of them were supported by Govts now. But some still died.

I am not sure here ..... but anticipate that the Govt also will not return each and every panny these banks have borrowed from e.g to ICICI and other banks of India who have invested there in those died out banks?

9) Now if the above is right ..... the ICICI and other will have problem though RBI will do some efforts ..... but will they return full money to the customers?

10) Now if the customer will not get full money which was promised when they deposited into these banks or say will have their Mutual Funds drowned.

11) Ultimatly hua kya ..... bharat jaise desh ke gareeb logon ne paisa joda tinka tinka karke .... aur laga diya in banks mein .... in banks ne US banks ko .... US banks ne US people ko .... jinhone apne aisho-aram ke liye paisa udaya ... aur phir khaa-pee gae to bank doob gae ... aur bank doob gae to apne logon ka paisa dooba ....

Kya aisa hi hai?

Aur agar aisa hai to ye to badi naa-insafi hai .... pahele ek desh ke amir hi gareeb ko chooste they ab ye cheej global ho gae??

Aur kya aisa bhi ho sakta hai ki US govt ne jaan ke pahele se pata hote hue ye hone diya ..... ??? ultimatly hua kya hai ki chahe banks doob gae hein lekin capital chahe wo kaise roop mein hi hai .... humare jaise deshon se shift kar gae hai US mein?

I am not having much idea about this field ... to aise hi dimag chala diya ... ha ha ... samjhaiyo bhaiyo ...

Hi Jitender , this is partly right!

Ofcourse Phool might agree completely but I do not.

This is true for some and also this is one part of the story ! you are neglecting the wealth that has come back in form of the NRI remittances which have been earned globally by Indians for example myself.

And I am pretty sure that there wont be a bank run on Indian banks ( by bank run I mean these banks unable to give back the deposits ).

And for people who are institutional investors it was business as usual so profit/loss should be seen as same as the profit/loss of any European/US investor!


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For anyone with some knowledge of Finance and wishing to understand how and why and more importantly "where" of Financial crisis , Read :

When Markets Collide by Mohammed El Erian ( Nothing to do with that he is CEO of the company I am working with ). The book has earned major award by GS and also is a very nice read ( personal experience ).

I am done tih 40% of it!:)
 
Phool , you yourself ended with critcising the capitalistic nature of Federal Government.Possibly crisis has occured due to undemocratic handling of capitalism.By the way same lines As I quoted..'End of Capitalism' has been discussed on NDTV.Amid this crisis there are going to and would be endless speculations about the reasons of this particular time which world is facing.
I believe the visionaries of past boom should be blamed for this roller coaster.

The problem is that most of us do not know what is Capitalism. In school they taught us that USA was Capitalism as if USA and Capitalism were two conjoined twins. One was the same as other!

However, that is not true.

A few years ago I read Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations.: Before anyone sets out to base the central criticism of capitalism, I urgen you to read this wonderful book.

In the book Adam Smith emphasizes that Capitalism is not an institution or a philosophy that is controlled by an institution like for example a Government or a group of Banks. Capitalism is the collective voice of the people.

In other words, Capitalism is the consensus of a group of people on a decision that effects that group directly or indirectly. For example, an automaker in India makes a car. The people dont like it and dont buy it. The automaker takes heavy losses and stops producing the car. The consensus of the people of India to not to purchase the car made the automaker pull the model out of production. That is capitalism.

On the other hand an automaker like Maruti makes a car that has mass appeal, like lets say Maruti 800. People buy the car in large numbers. Maruti makes profit on the model and keeps producing the car to fulfill people's demand for it. The consensus of the people to reward Maruti for making a nice car encourages the company to produce more of it. That is Capitalism.

Capitalism is market behaviour and not an institution that flourishes due the Government of the country where it is applies.

What has happened in the US is not Capitalism, it is what we call it here crony-capitalism. Where businessmen with a lot of money buy off the the government officials by "donating" to their party or to their campaign, or in other indirect ways. The government officials return the favor by passing laws that benefit the contributing businessmen.

The bailout is a classic example of a such a relationship between corrupt government officials and businessmen with deep pockets. The government returned the past favors by Wall Street bankers by bailing them out after they made some bad bets.

Under capitalism, these Banks would have been allowed to go down because of their bad business practices and banks with sound practices would have been given a chance by the market.

Ofcourse there would have been some suffering for some people. But, if you are reaping benefits off a system then be prepared to reap the losses for your bad decisions.


Morever these ongoings made me think on the following lines:-

1) When exactly currency[in which form] came in to play in human civilization?

2) How much it has controlled/governed/effected society both ways (-vely and+vely) ?

3) Can it be replaced? If yes! then how the world would be without currency?

What should be the replacement?

The whole world's economy is tied to the US dollar. Even the Euro is very heavil invested in economies that are highly invested in the US dollar.

And guess what, the US dollar does not have anything of value to bak it up. There used to be a time when you could literally goto a bank and buy gold for your dollars

The point is there isnt enough gold in the US economy to back up the amount of dollars floating around. If today all the people in the world holding US dollars wanted to dump their dollars and buy gold in the US, there wont be enough gold to satisfy all the claims.

That is the inherent weakness if the US financial system. Saddam Hussein realized it and wanted to convert his wealth to Euros which are a little bit more sound than the dollar. You know the rest of the story.

The US economy will go down unless they slowly revert back to the old gold backed currency system. And all the economies that are based on the US dollar will go down with it.

It is hard to break-away from the dollar based system, for most economies. If today India tries to have its own gold-based currency, people from all over the world holding Indian currency will dump their currency for gold and Indian economy will crash in no time.

The change has to happen in the US. the rest of the world is being held hostage by the US. No one can change their banking system until US changes its own system.

I beleive it should be matter of urgency for all economies around the world to co-ordinate with the US government and switch to a more sound banking system.


4) Is this recession good anyhow for world as it would be going to decline US's monopoly in World? Which counteries should be/are in row and Where Asia as whole is standing?

3)

There was no such things as a recession before the panic of 1819 in the US. That happend right after Alexander Hamilton creater the Bank of the US which was a predecessor to the Federal Reserve Bank. The federal government tried to create a boom in the US economy by pumping a lot of money into it and that led to high inflation. To control the inflation the government started sucking the money out of the market and there wasnt enough money to do business in the country and there was a widespread panic.

Since then we have been seeing Boom-Bust cycles in the US economy. Every other country including India that has tried to replicate the US monetary system has seen similatr boom-bust cycles in their economies.

Even in India we have booms followed by busts or recessions. There is inflation and then there is a deflation. Prices of commodities go up and the come down briefly but rarely go back to their old levels. Then when the prices are down RBI dumps more moeny into the market and the banks throw it out into the market in terms of loans and credits. People start buying again and theres a boom again.

This game needs to stop.
 
Excellent Read

"Today I write not to gloat. Given the pain that nearly everyone is experiencing, that would be entirely inappropriate. Nor am I writing to make further predictions, as most of my forecasts in previous letters have unfolded or are in the process of unfolding. Instead, I am writing to say goodbye.
Recently, on the front page of Section C of the Wall Street Journal, a hedge fund manager who was also closing up shop (a $300 million fund), was quoted as saying, "What I have learned about the hedge fund business is that I hate it." I could not agree more with that statement. I was in this game for the money. The low hanging fruit, i.e. idiots whose parents paid for prep school, Yale, and then the Harvard MBA, was there for the taking. These people who were (often) truly not worthy of the education they received (or supposedly received) rose to the top of companies such as AIG, Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers and all levels of our government. All of this behavior supporting the Aristocracy, only ended up making it easier for me to find people stupid enough to take the other side of my trades. God bless America.
There are far too many people for me to sincerely thank for my success. However, I do not want to sound like a Hollywood actor accepting an award. The money was reward enough. Furthermore, the endless list those deserving thanks know who they are.
I will no longer manage money for other people or institutions. I have enough of my own wealth to manage. Some people, who think they have arrived at a reasonable estimate of my net worth, might be surprised that I would call it quits with such a small war chest. That is fine; I am content with my rewards. Moreover, I will let others try to amass nine, ten or eleven figure net worths. Meanwhile, their lives suck. Appointments back to back, booked solid for the next three months, they look forward to their two week vacation in January during which they will likely be glued to their Blackberries or other such devices. What is the point? They will all be forgotten in fifty years anyway. Steve Balmer, Steven Cohen, and Larry Ellison will all be forgotten. I do not understand the legacy thing. Nearly everyone will be forgotten. Give up on leaving your mark. Throw the Blackberry away and enjoy life.
So this is it. With all due respect, I am dropping out. Please do not expect any type of reply to emails or voicemails within normal time frames or at all. Andy Springer and his company will be handling the dissolution of the fund. And don’t worry about my employees, they were always employed by Mr. Springer’s company and only one (who has been well-rewarded) will lose his job.
I have no interest in any deals in which anyone would like me to participate. I truly do not have a strong opinion about any market right now, other than to say that things will continue to get worse for some time, probably years. I am content sitting on the sidelines and waiting. After all, sitting and waiting is how we made money from the subprime debacle. I now have time to repair my health, which was destroyed by the stress I layered onto myself over the past two years, as well as my entire life — where I had to compete for spaces in universities and graduate schools, jobs and assets under management — with those who had all the advantages (rich parents) that I did not. May meritocracy be part of a new form of government, which needs to be established.
On the issue of the U.S. Government, I would like to make a modest proposal. First, I point out the obvious flaws, whereby legislation was repeatedly brought forth to Congress over the past eight years, which would have reigned in the predatory lending practices of now mostly defunct institutions. These institutions regularly filled the coffers of both parties in return for voting down all of this legislation designed to protect the common citizen. This is an outrage, yet no one seems to know or care about it. Since Thomas Jefferson and Adam Smith passed, I would argue that there has been a dearth of worthy philosophers in this country, at least ones focused on improving government. Capitalism worked for two hundred years, but times change, and systems become corrupt. George Soros, a man of staggering wealth, has stated that he would like to be remembered as a philosopher. My suggestion is that this great man start and sponsor a forum for great minds to come together to create a new system of government that truly represents the common man’s interest, while at the same time creating rewards great enough to attract the best and brightest minds to serve in government roles without having to rely on corruption to further their interests or lifestyles. This forum could be similar to the one used to create the operating system, Linux, which competes with Microsoft’s near monopoly. I believe there is an answer, but for now the system is clearly broken.
Lastly, while I still have an audience, I would like to bring attention to an alternative food and energy source. You won’t see it included in BP’s, "Feel good. We are working on sustainable solutions," television commercials, nor is it mentioned in ADM’s similar commercials. But hemp has been used for at least 5,000 years for cloth and food, as well as just about everything that is produced from petroleum products. Hemp is not marijuana and vice versa. Hemp is the male plant and it grows like a weed, hence the slang term. The original American flag was made of hemp fiber and our Constitution was printed on paper made of hemp. It was used as recently as World War II by the U.S. Government, and then promptly made illegal after the war was won. At a time when rhetoric is flying about becoming more self-sufficient in terms of energy, why is it illegal to grow this plant in this country? Ah, the female. The evil female plant — marijuana. It gets you high, it makes you laugh, it does not produce a hangover. Unlike alcohol, it does not result in bar fights or wife beating. So, why is this innocuous plant illegal? Is it a gateway drug? No, that would be alcohol, which is so heavily advertised in this country. My only conclusion as to why it is illegal, is that Corporate America, which owns Congress, would rather sell you Paxil, Zoloft, Xanax and other additive drugs, than allow you to grow a plant in your home without some of the profits going into their coffers. This policy is ludicrous. It has surely contributed to our dependency on foreign energy sources. Our policies have other countries literally laughing at our stupidity, most notably Canada, as well as several European nations (both Eastern and Western). You would not know this by paying attention to U.S. media sources though, as they tend not to elaborate on who is laughing at the United States this week. Please people, let’s stop the rhetoric and start thinking about how we can truly become self-sufficient.
With that I say good-bye and good luck.
All the best,
Andrew Lahde"
 
Another idiot who is throwing gasoline on the fire by adding to the conspiracy theory that capitalism and lack of regulation is to blame for the market crash.

He made some serious dough on Wall Street. Good for him, he is quitting. He has reached the equilibrium in his life. He came to the game to grab the low-hanging fruit. He got his fruit and now he is going home with it.

If he has such regrets about getting the fruit and believes that everyone ought to share their fruit with with everyone else, then why doesn't he do so? But instead, he has decided to enjoy his fruit alone.

Alright, so what if he gives away some of his wealth? Didnt Warren Buffet give away like all his wealth to Bill Gates' charity? But only after he was dead.

I am sick and tired of listing to the griping of stupid rich people who hit it big with the help of little bit capitalism left in the world and are now out there advocating the stripping off of whatever is left of it. They don't want others who stood behind them in the line to achieve their dreams of getting rich, to be allowed a system that makes dreams happen. Instead, they want all of us to join a pool of wealth to which some contribute and the rest live off it.

Its funny, he didn't have his awakening when the supposed low-hanging fruit was still hanging and out of his reach. Now that he has the fruit, its time for the rest of us trying to grab the fruit, to go home. Damn schmuck!
 
wat worries me most abt the credit crunch is tht if one of my cheques is returned stamped ‘insufficient funds’, i won't know whether tht refers to mine or the bank's ! :confused::D:D

although late, but thks for timely intervention by dr manmohan singh :p
 
Couldn't resist myself from sharing some of these good ones. I know not the humor section, neither they are Jat jokes but all are topical!



The most popular game for Icelandic families in 2009?

Go Fish!


Did you hear the one about the Polish homeowner? He paid his mortgage!




"On Sept. 14, two quants at Lehman get into a elevator to go home. One pushes the button but it doesn't move. 'What's going on?' he asks. 'Why won't it move?' The other pulls out his laptop and says, 'Well of course: according to my model, nothing further can go down.' "


This market stinks so bad..that my 401(k) is now a 100.25(k)!


This market stinks so bad..that it makes lawyers smell clean!



Q: What is the definition of optimism?
A: An investment banker ironing five shirts on a Sunday night
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Friends,

I was wandering if the Inflation has something to do with market situation?

Such as in India ... now the inflation is going down too when Market is at 9k. But when the market was increasing like anything and even touched 20-21k then the inflation was also peaking.

It means it is directly proportional to the growth of Market? :confused: Or somewhere there is mishandeling by the finance ministry or people as it should be the other way around i.e. when country is showing growth then inflation should be under check. Aisi growth ka kya faeda jismein menhgae badhey aur gareeb aur jyada gareeb hota jae?

In other words, aam aadmi has nothing to do with the maket rise or fall, he has to take care of his living. The market is for those who have enough money to play around. So the ordinary person feels that this inflation should be under check and whats the benefit of the market increase if the govt cant check inflation?

Please put some light on this chemistry of Inflation and Sensex.
 
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